Summer is here, which means it's time for Chris and Jordan's roundup of new waterproof cameras for 2019: the Olympus Tough TG-6, the Ricoh WG-6, and the Panasonic TS7. Find out which one is right for your next vacation.
Everyone has been doing the same thing for years. Some one should make a 1" sensor version that starts at 21mm or even better 18mm at least 2.5x zoom and have a flip screen instead. Something like Tg 870, but bigger sensor. Or starts at 40mm with at least 3x Constant Aperture zoom with EVF.
I am using the Olympus Tough TG-5 while running and cycling. Great camera, I think. A very fast AF, good video quality and easy to carry with you. And: no dust issues like other compacts have...!
I have used the Olympus TG series for a decade primarily for underwater (snorkeling) photography. Image quality is very good, not excellent, but sufficient for non-professional use. I also owned a Sealife DC2000 for a couple of years. Anyone considering SeaLife needs to do a trial. Build quality is below that of the TG, no optical zoom, and the most serious issue, SLOW processing when shooting RAW. Also, I only use GoPro for underwater video; the placement of the video button on the TG series is very odd and difficult to even activate on and off smoothly.
Great review you do a really good job on camera that is your presentation is really well good also you do a good job of reviewing the cameras thanks so much I am impressed
The 16 min video is very long, but if you want to simplify it.
Olympus is the best: - Fastest lens. f/2.0 while zoom out - Widest lens - lot of add-on including two conversion lens - you can use lens cap and/or filters via OEM adapter
FWIW, some discontinued Ricoh have the exactly same lens system as Olympus TGs, and it also has one OEM add-on conversion lens.
IMHO, Just like SONY is the king of the 1" P&S, Olympus is the best of the best 1/2.3" sensor tough cam for now.
I think it would be good to differentiate between weatherproof, water resistant, waterproof and watertight. To me weatherproof suggests proof to dust ingress and some rain, water resistance heavier rain, waterproof can take a dunking and watertight could be taken on a fairly serious dive where pressure will be an issue. If cameras were given this more granular rating it might allow users to be happier or more realistic in their assessment of the gear for their purposes.
Most of these cameras are touted as "tough" cameras, a term that suggest it can be used in a variety of conditions, including but not limited to some kind of immersion. I also note that there are "watertight" housings available for some of these units, so presumably they are not meant for exposure to serious water pressures if such a housing is not used.
I don't take a camera swimming or diving but I do a lot of hiking in challenging conditions. So what I am looking for is a good weather proof to waterproof, (i.e. can take a dunking) but what I would like is a decent sensor (at least 1") with a zoom, more control over aperture and a viewfinder. None of these features would disable the functionality of any of the cameras I see here, although it might add a bit to the price, but horses for courses... so maybe there needs to be a line drawn: generally tough vs. good for underwater activities.
Hi Mike: That's why I got it, to be at least weatherproof, if not by my definition waterproof. It's apparently not what I would call "watertight" - which is what I would expect for underwater work, but it should take heavy rain for a period. Most people complained that the battery door leaked, so as long as I don't put that in water I should be OK, I reckon!.{:-)
I got a brand new one (old store stock) from Japan at a really good price, and so far it's giving great service.
Be careful condensation such as one time I stepped out the warm car in near a summit where it was freeze cold, my Olympus AF did not work b/c condensation inside body turned to ice quickly, I think...
The Nikon 1 AW was a touted as a tough and actual underwater camera, but turned out to be not so much... However it has better specs (except for zoom range) than the TG-5 or 6.
I have been looking for a camera which doesn't need to go diving (although I would be OK if it was so rated) but has the viewfinder, 1" sensor, better aperture control, RAW etc.
Thus I would rate the Olympus as tough, but not inspiring in its other specs.
So... if you can suggest a camera the does what I specified you will have my gratitude. :-)
I think the problem with these cameras is that there is a very small niche. I am thinking of doing some snorkling/scuba and considered these cameras, but the cost and the need to carry around yet another camera for just that make them unattractive.
For £30 I can get a go pro clone which will be good enough, small, but can also be re-used as a bike cam etc. Ok, it may not take a good photos as these 3, but then again nor do they take as good as images as my Xt-2 or as adaptable . For things like underwater, there are better options.
There may be a middle ground of a reasonable camera for action holidays, but that to me seems a small market
"I am thinking of doing some snorkling/scuba and considered these cameras, but the cost and the need to carry around yet another camera for just that make them unattractive."
Unless I misunderstood your point, you would only be carrying one camera while snorkeling.
True, but for the rest of the holiday i would want something else. i was thinking more of the cost of taking two cameras on the plane. I can either have one v.good camera plus something small for snorkelling or one of these, which is mediocre for everything. Of course when i get home it gets stuck at the back of the cupboard
Are you familiar with the Fujifilm XP series of waterproof cameras?
They may not have as fast a lens as the Olympus, or a built-in EVF like the Panasonic, but they are at a much more friendly price-point.
And small!!! :)
When I go on vacation, I often take 2-3 cameras. I might take my Nikon D7000 dSLR and/or I might take my Pentax Q mirrorless . . . but I always take my Fujifilm XP waterproof camera.
It's so small. At its price point, it is a great back-up camera . . . or a great camera that you can take into more hazardous scenarios . . . like snorkeling, to the beach (with all that sand), canoeing on a lake, etc.
I have taken a Fujifilm XP waterproof compact camera on every vacation since 2011. :)
I'll have a look at it, but it is still 4x more expensive than a cheap go pro clone. No doubt it will have better image quality, but the clone I can use for other things
Everyone can use cameras differently and for different things. What is the perfect camera for one may not be the perfect camera for another. :)
For me personally . . . one of the things I like about these waterproof compacts is the built-in flash.
For vacations, there are a lot of opportunities to get shots of my kids in less than ideal light. Like indoors, in the shade or at night.
A flash can be the difference between getting the shot or not.
A flash, even during the day, can fill in the shadows (fill flash) on the faces of your subject(s) with a fuller spectrum / brighter more colourful light.
Well, well, well, I just can’t fathom it. We wait, but are being drip-fed these snapshot underwater cameras from the camera companies. So, the Olympus still rains supreme as it’s the only one to shoot RAW (something fishy there), but the buttons are off-the-scale tiny and it has no sea-through viewfinder, dam it. Water they doing? Also, it’s about time 4K video was recorded in some sort of new underwater codec like h.20 (10-bite) that seas better underwater and is great for streaming. In this current day-and-age it should be possible for these companies to shell out truly great underwater cameras, but they bottle it and just go with the flow. To be pacific, I have a sinking feeling they’ll never make the camera so many crave, my head is swimming, it’s driving me sea nile. Who, oh who, will turn the tide?
If the Panny had RAW capability, I think I would be all over it. *Sigh* The Olympus has RAW, but no vf, the Panasonic vf, but no RAW. I think manufacturers just don't get it...
RAW and faster lens makes TG-6 only game in town, which is sad, as it's still utterly undesirable. Can't believe the UW segment is just barely bubbling along with pitiful yearly updates and sensors now looking poor even by phone standards and no computational processing to save them. We haven't even moved up to a 1/1.7" sensor size. Would love to see something like an UW RX100 or LX100.
We looked at it in last years roundup and decided to only focus on new models this year:
https://www.dpreview.com/videos/9615783102/dpreview-tv-waterproof-camera-shootout-2018
I agree Fujifilm XP140 should have been included, also has the largest sensor of these cameras I believe. On the other hand it has worst 4k film options.
I think you're right, and they should have featured or mentioned it. It might be because of it's bad video specs that they left it out (UHD at 15p, are you kidding me?) but it might be cheaper than the others so...
These camera should be able to compete against action cams like GoPro's. If only these cameras had the same featureset and were able to do 4K60P and had a likewise electronic stabilisation system then they would be competitive. I would love to have seen a comparison for those in doubt.
GoPros seem to have the edge for video, while these cameras might be better for photography.
@Baron_Karza, I re-watched the video, Once again, I saw NOTHING that would tempt me to buy any of them. I find Kai Wong to be much more credible (and a lot funnier).
So I'll stick with my initial assessment: "Why would I want a garish camera?"
Forgive me for stating the obvious, but it seems to be that you firmly DON'T want a "garish camera". If the question was "Why would ANYONE want such a device?" - that would be a different question and doubtless lead to a more dynamic debate with considerations discussed like dynamic range, RAW capture, control over device settings etc. Luckily that was not the question and you have made your choice. The freedom to have choice is one of the things we should all cherish.
@cdembrey Please try using your iPhone Xs underwater in the sea or even a swimming pool for that matter and see how long it lasts. Does Face ID or the touch screen work underwater?
Typical dpreview troll comment, either intentionally or unintentionally ignorant of the product being reviewed. Please try harder...
for the same reason gaming laptops need to look like cheap science fiction props
the makers overthink their "target audience and go to absurd lengths to captivate the imagination of their "market"
when some decent gaming machines were made some years ago without the silly cases one of the first things reviewers noted was how great it was too see a case for adults that didnt look like it targeted the tastes of 12 year olds
smartphones now has up to f1.5 and/or larger sensor than 1/2.3. and just 1/4 slim.
tough/waterproof PS camera should have a revolution like 1/1.5" sensor with fixed aperture 1.8 or so, zoom range eq. 20-100mm OIS+ibis, and 1080p 4inch oled.
The fact the Olympus TG-6 shoots RAW images is the VERY BIG DEAL-MAKER for me!
I have no problem with colour correction and post-processing of vacation photos. It's second nature to me for the past few decades. For those of you who want the BEST image quality from these ruggedized cameras, do your colour correction first by boosting the shadows by between 5% to 15%, boost your midtones by 5% to 10% and REDUCE your highlights as cameras of these types TEND to blow out the white levels.
Then you increase colour saturation to your tastes (usually by 5% to 15%) AND finally RESAMPLE your images using a high quality resizer such as Lanczos-3 to EXACTLY HALF the horizontal and vertical resolution so that 4000 by 3000 pixel still photos are HIGH QUALITY resampled down to 2000 by 1500 pixels which is MORE THAN enough for most web-centric displays and social media posts!
AND FINALLY as the last step just after resampling, you put an UNSHARP MASK filter which enhanced the edges of objects.
The unsharp mask corrects the organic anti-aliasing that takes place during the downsample operation and makes an image appear sharper. Now just upload to Facebook, Instagram, your web page, etc and your images will look great!
All three of these cameras will work for casual use during family outings and vacations and during sports or leisure activities, but it seems that the long term hard-won experience of Olympus in making very rugged cameras carries over into this particular line!
To me the Olympus TG-6 has won my dollars and the two biggest reasons are that the LOWER pixel count (12 megapixels) means a larger photosite size in microns for each pixel on the image sensor itself which means it's colour rendition and low-light performance SHOULD be better (it definitely is when RAW mode is selected!) AND being able to have RAW mode for further post-production REALLY is a big deal for me! It also seems like it looks and feels TOUGHER and is more RUGGED than the others! .
I think this video could have put more emphasis on the usefulness of the TG-6's control wheel, something that other tough cams lack. I use a TG-5 a lot, and find that the ability to dial the exposure up and down with a flick of my thumb is very helpful, especially when trying to make the most of the small sensor. If you're considering the TG-6 from an enthusiast's perspective, that control wheel is a major advantage over other tough cams. Also, as the video does highlight, the TG-6 is the only camera in the group that can shoot RAW—which, again, is especially helpful when trying to make the most of the camera's small sensor. So if you're a photography enthusiast, the TG-6 is in my opinion the clear winner in this class for those reasons. It's excellent macro capabilities and wide range of useful accessories are also important for the hobbyist. My TG-5 lives inside the "silicone jacket" accessory which gives it excellent grip, eliminating the ergonomic issue mentioned in the video.
As a TG-5 owner, what I want to know is A: does the TG-6 still have the "purple blob" problem and B: have they reduced the sharpening in the otherwise excellent in-camera focus stacking mode to something more sensible. To me, those are the two biggest flaws in the TG-5.
You missed the most important part. The Olympus has both focus bracketing and in camera focus stacking! Works as good as photoshop. Use it for hand held closeups of flowers all the time on my old TG-3!
Dear Chris, even though I'm a hard core Pentaxian, I must say that your review sounds fair. Jordan, for part II of this review (the underwater section), please make sure Chris remains completely submerged. :D
How useful is a waterproof camera comparison that has no testing done underwater? I would only buy one of these cameras for shooting underwater, but this comparison gives me no idea how well they work in that environment.
Gordon... I imagine that buying one of these, especially if used or a cheaper older version, might be an ideal camera for a very energetic 6 year old. They would probably have a very hard time breaking it.
But you're right. There should have been some testing under water. Even if for a very brief period.
IMO - the primary purpose of these cameras is not for shooting underwater - and Chris mentioned that in a round-a-bout way at the end of the video. If you want a camera to use underwater you look at the Sealife or a proper underwater housing.
What these cameras are for is "family adventures". They can get wet, they can get dropped, etc. The whole idea is to be able to take family, vacation, adventure pictures without worrying about losing or damaging your iphone, full frame camera, etc.
My only wish is that they had upgrade to a 1" sensor for campfire and night time photos.
I have a TG-5 and I've taken it under water (swimming/snorkeling depth) plenty of times. It's always been perfectly fine, even if I forget to latch the secondary lock on one of the doors. I can only assume that the same goes for the TG-6, since it's a very similar design.
Be that as it may, and I don't disagree, they are still marketed as being waterproof and the video still showed very little of that. I'd love to have seen how they worked in an environment like the family swimming pool or fish aquarium, which to me would be a very plausible use for them. If being marketed as being rugged, the video showed none of that except when Chris 'accidentally' knocked one into the water. In the video they were used primarily as point 'n shoot cameras which told me nothing about their water resistance or ruggedness.
Well, I'm here to tell you that it's plenty waterproof. I assume they all are, since they come with submersion ratings. Are there better choices for the serious underwater photographer with money to burn? Sure there are. Can you jump in a pool with one of these and be fine, though? Yes, you can. And if you go with the TG- series, you can also get underwater housings and lighting rigs which will let you take your underwater photography that much further.
TBH . . . I mainly looked at it as a great camera to take camping / vacation, to the beach, skiing or out in the rain without having to worry about it.
Then my wife decided we were going snorkeling for a day at Discovery Cove in Florida. After she booked us in, I remembered . . . hey . . . I have waterproof cameras! I'm totally taking them snorkeling!!! LOL.
"IMO - the primary purpose of these cameras is not for shooting underwater -"
Wrong, it is the ONLY reason to get this class of camera when your smartphone is getting so good. It does not have to be diving, swimming, snorkeling, etc how well does the AF work under water, how well does the camera handle white balance in various water conditions, how easy it is to handle it under water? No discussion on these is disappointing.
These days every time I touch a camera that's not my D850 I instantly start criticizing it's build quality, image quality and controls. I could never go back to point and shoot style or even lesser DSLRs at this point.
It's stunning to me that the only manufacturer doing 1" sensors in this space is a tiny company no one has ever heard of. Why isn't Sony absolutely owning this market with a waterproof/"tough" version of the RX100 series? I personally won't ever be buying one of these until they have 1" sensors. FFS.
And yes, I know the engineering on a tough camera and lens is different (and probably more difficult) than the typical RX100. Make it a bit bigger, that's fine with me, make the lens have less reach, whatever. Just give me a 1" sensor and Raw with decent buffer and operation speed. Why are waterproof cameras still in the dark ages?
The Sony TX30 had a nice to feature to size comparison. The sensor isn't as good, but neither do any of the current choices. I still use the one I have when I don't want to carry a dslr to the beach or do some lap swims. Curious how the older Nikon W300 would go up against those reviewed here.
It's going to be fixed focal length, stuck with a permanent lens protrusion (not even close to pocketable), or it will have a waterproof sliding lens mechanism. That last one is the killer. Even these current small sensor models receive endless complaints about water damage and resulting warranty dramas.
Because few people who are serious about underwater photography bother with waterproof cameras in the first place. With very few exception, their waterproofing is limited to 15-18 meters, which means that for scuba diving, you need to house these waterproof cameras anyway. TG-5 is popular with underwater shooters for its macro capability, not for waterproofing.
Different strokes (swim pin) for different folks. Someone might be serious about underwater photography and yet want and need the portability of a p/s (or at least something smaller than a full fledged dslr) while others who aren't serious photographers spend $2k on an underwater hard case enclosure. It's more like manufacturers don't think they'll make much money making a new model and keep recycling old designs. The SeaLife cam is a great contender but needs a few upgrades. Smartphones and fixed focal length action cams are taking a bit out of the p/s market.
SeaLife DC2000 still needs a housing to go past 18m, so what's the point in getting it over the same sensor in Sony RX100 III, which has a much better lens and image processor? A universal RX100 series housing costs $255 (Meikon) or $330 (Sony) - far cry from $2k that you claim.
Most housings for RX100 don't expose the EVF, so it's less important underwater. Some have an optional add-on magnifier hood for the display, so that you can use it like a viewfinder while wearing a diving mask.
I use my Sony RX100M3 with a Meikon 40m housing that I got second hand (unused) from eBay for £40. It's a great combination for snorkelling and the beach. The only negative is the size when compared to the TG-6 for instance. I don't think that you could do a waterproof 1" with zoom and flash that would be truly pocketable. There's always a compromise to be made somewhere...
Not everyone who likes underwater photography also wants to go SCUBA diving, i.e. below 18m. The majority of waterproof camera users probably aren't doing SCUBA. Is it reasonable to say they don't care about photo quality? Maybe. But I'd bet a lot of those people also have dSLRs for their main camera, and only accept the limitations of the "tough" camera category because there are no other options.
And have you actually tried to use zoom underwater? In my experience, both with tough cameras, and with Sony A6xxx variants in a waterproof housing, it's often not that usable. Because being in water is not a stable platform and often does not have great light either. So you need high ISO and shutter speed if you want to have any hope of getting a zoomed shot to not be blurry. Not to mention tracking subjects in water is very hard. So I think a fixed lens would honestly be fine, provided the sensor/image quality were higher.
Waterproof housings are bulky and not very ergonomic. So I personally would very much like a properly waterproof portable camera, it doesn't have to be "pocketable" by any means. And I'm not saying get rid of the current small sensor "tough" market, obviously some people *do* want pocketable. But do what Sony did with the RX100s and put out a premium waterproof camera *above* the current cheaper tough camera market. See what happens... Nobody though there was market for $1000+ pocket cameras with big sensors until Sony proved there was...
I'm not sure why none of these reviews talk about what I consider the biggest issue with the Olympus - the purple blob that appears in the middle of a lot of pictures under different circumstances. Multiple people have reported the issue so it isn't just some cameras or lack of experience. See this thread: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4287370
Because they are talking about the TG-6 and not TG-5. And it would help to learn the basics of photography when shooting with a camera with the lens pointed where the sun comes from.
I have a TG-5 that I use a lot. The "purple blob" problem is very different from normal lens flare. It shows up even in dark conditions, on an overcast day, underwater, etc. In fact I'd say it's most prone to appear in moderate-to-dim lighting, especially flat lighting. And when it appears, it's not just a matter of pointing the camera in a slightly different direction fo make it go away. It's persistent, and appears frequently when using the camera fully zoomed-in.
Any lens will flare if bright light hits it the wrong way. That's not what this is. It's much more annoying than that, and it's a design flaw in the TG-5's optics. I very much want to know if the TG-6 still has that problem, and if it does I think DPR would be doing a service to the community if they made people aware of it. It doesn't ruin the TG-5, but it's a serious issue. It's not just operator error.
If you took the time to read the thread I linked the last few posts have to do with the pictures that have been posted from the TG-6, proof it still exists. The indoor test pictures from the TG-6, showing color samples, even exhibit the issue. I would think people that got their hands on the TG-6 pre shipment to review know what they are going. And I do know the basics of the position of the sun in relation to the camera. One day I literally stood in my yard taking pictures every few degrees just to prove to myself it wasn't user error. You should be a little more thorough before you comment.
The ratings they give are usually for a fairly short amount of time underwater at depth. Though the numbers seem to suggest full dive capabilities I would really look at a proper full dive case with silicon grease seals. Something with lights or a flash as well. Otherwise I would really just use these underwater cameras for very casual wet conditions.
I went well beyond what was outlined in the manual. I was completely willing to accept the consequences . . . but immensely pleased that my waterproof camera survived. LOL. :)
I actually still have that Fujifilm XP50 today. And it still works. And it is still waterproof. :)
My friend use his TG-5 without housing at 6-10 meters down for over a year. Lot of good phtos back Now if you handed him the best dSLR + best lens + best housing, he woud put them beside. No camera is better than TG in free dive.
I usually don't watch the videos . . . but the waterproof camera category is one of my favourites . . . for all the keepers they have given me on my family vacations, so I had to watch it. :)
Interesting to note that the DC-TS7 gets very poor reviews on Amazon (see above), with the primary issue being the camera's inability to focus....
As I've said before, these don't really feel like a big upgrade to my waterproof cell phone. I still use my Olympus TG-860 for wet/dangerous environments, and it's small, 21-105mm zoom, and has a selfie-capable tilting LCD. It is so nice to be able to tilt that LCD so I can precisely compose the camera's ultrawide view without having my face in line with the camera... that's really the winning feature.
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Nikon and NASA announced that the former's Z9 pro mirrorless camera will be traveling to the moon as part of the Artemis III mission set to launch in 2026. The camera will be modified to handle the rigors of space and the surface of the moon.
An extra long February is drawing to a close and brought us a wealth of new cameras and lenses during CP+ 2024. Here's a list of the biggest releases and announcements of the year so far, updated for February 2024!
An overall winner for Photographer of the Year 2024 winner will be chosen from the professional finalists and announced in April, where they'll be awarded $25,000, Sony equipment and a solo presentation of their work as part of next year’s awards exhibition.
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