Chris and Jordan have had a couple weeks to work with the new OM System OM-1. Contrary to some rumors, Micro Four Thirds is alive and well. Find out what makes this camera different.
As the definitive criteria for ordering this camera would be the improved high sensitivity performance, would it be possible to provide a few comparable high-ISO studio captures with OM-1 and another camera, e.g. OMD 1 E-M1 iii side-by side? Without waiting for the final review? Please...
I was an early adopter of m43 with G1 and twin lens kit. Over the years upgraded few times until G80. Then all new (good) offerings from both companies are big and expensive. For me it lost appeal and tried RX100M7 but that's too tiny to handle. Now trying out Nikon Zfc. Again not enough lenes for this light wt system. The camera industry trying shoot at its feet again.
You review a camera with two CFExpress card slots and complain and now you complain this flagship camera has only sd card slots. You guys have to make your minds up
I have yet to see an OM owner say they wished this camera had more megapixels. Before this camera even came out, we were all trying to decide which upgrade would be most important. And I've never seen anyone bring up resolution. Most people said improved AF, upgraded sensor and video capability. So glad OM listened.
I remember when the last sensor got upgraded from 16mp to 20mp no one made a big deal about it either because even 16mp is plenty for most folks.
"I have yet to see an OM owner say they wished this camera had more megapixels."
Well here's the problem as I see it, OMD needs to appeal to an broader audience outside of just current owners. An for that to happen, more base MP might just have to offered sooner than later.
That's "design by committee" mentality and usually fails because what you get is a camera which tries to please everyone but ends up pleasing no one.
From what I am seeing in reviews so far is a great image quality (which is sometimes at odds with resolution). As an actual customer who will buy this camera I don't care about a spec that only looks good on the spec sheet.
Tesi's review shows quite an improvement in the actual image quality.
Olympus decided to us an 80mp Quad Bayer sensor which produces 20mp images. I am glad they did. Because like I said even 16mp was plenty. Image quality is more important.
Quality of pixels over quantity wins for people who actually take photos with this gear.
First of all, nobody is having some huge debate over quality of pixels. I have championed smaller MP cameras many times across the spectrum of DPR forums an or articles. So anyone claiming I have some massive push for MP over anything else is simply missing the point.
Nobody really cares if 16mp was plenty enough for you. What they should an or might care about is 20mp enough in face of the today's stiff competition as part of an totally selling package for consumers in enough numbers to keep the lights on.
In fact, Panasonic's GH6 is expected to have an jump to 25mp with possible an more photo-centric G10 version to follow. So Calling more MP some "design by committee" is pure nonsense. It's far more than that.
It looks very well designed to be comfortable in the hand. I love the smooth and rounded slope for the shutter button. Sony could learn a lot from Olympus about ergonomic design and comfort.
Looks like Olympus and MFT is trying to get back into the camera business. From the review and looking at the price tag, I strongly doubt that they succeed. After this review, I cannot imagine a professional sports shooter to switch to this camera, nor the semi-professional wildlife photographers etc. And for amateurs, there are better options at a price tag close to 3000€ with a decent lens.
What better options? Sony? Canon and Nikon users will say their camera is better than the Sony. Nikon? Both Canon and Sony will say theirs is better, etc. Until you have used this camera, you won't know how it compares.
You don’t need to be a attic traveler to appreciate a IP53 rating. Northern-Europe, Canada, countries with raining season and so on. Name me one comparable camera for €3000 with a decent lens.
jer81: Any camera in this price range will withstand rain. Anyway, just curious, why would an amateur demand a stacked sensor instead of, for example, higher dynamic range, more resolution or more affordable bright lenses?
I just looked at the advertisement by Olympus and the IP53 standard. In German, the meaning is "spritzwassergeschützt", which I translate to save against splashing water. That's exactly the same wording as any other brand. If you place the Olympus into pouring rain, you are not covered IMHO. Since that is so, it should be pretty easy to find a similar camera. And I WON'T tell you a specific brand. I hate that kind of discussion.
IP53 is a international standard and apparently this camera is tested to this standard and past the test. And no other interchangeable lens camera has. It doesn’t matter how Olympus Germany named it. Just lol to all those ff camera users who can’t stand that another camera is better at some features besides the size of the sensor.
It's not just about splash, it's about camera not freezing, or if you shoot where there is a lot of dust, dust not getting in the lenses and on the sensor (My D600's sensor still has dust spots on it btw, which has turned me off Nikon forever), and this is after being sent to Nikon for repair.
A full frame camera and lenses of this quality would cost twice as much, easy.
When JIP bought Olympus' imaging division, there were doomsayers aplenty who opined that the camera division was basically gonna be dismantled for the IP assets.
What happened, is what JIP said was gonna happen: new lenses, new cameras, continued focus on m43 and the innovations this platform provides. These releases indicate a company intending to go forward with making cameras and lenses, despite the market challenges they/we face.
Jordan / Chris: The camera also has a max 20 fps electronic shutter mode WITH blackout. Is there any advantage to this mode? Or - why would anyone use it instead of shooting at up to 50 fps without blackout?
The leaked specs list stated that the normal silent shutter burst mode was with blackout but the official specs list the normal silent shutter burst mode as without blackout.
Hi whumber, I watched two OMDS webinars today (both in English) and the slide on AF modes showed four: mechanical, electronic with blackout at 20 fps, SH1 (120 fps S-AF without blackout) and SH2 (up to 50 fps with AF without blackout). I asked on those videos if there's any advantage to the 20 fps electronic shutter mode and the OM team did not answer.
I'm just not really sure who to believe yet. The official specs on the product page say
[Silent sequential shooting] approx 20 fps with selectable 5, 10, 15, 20 fps without blackout [Silent sequential shooting SH1] approx 120 fps with selectable 60, 100, 120 fps without blackout *Slower shutter speeds and flash can not be used. [Silent sequential shooting SH2] approx 50 fps with selectable 25, 50, fps without blackout
I'm inclined to believe that more than some product rep as there's an industry wide tendency for the non-Japanese camera product reps to not really know what they're talking about.
Thanks, I'll have a look at the IR review. I wouldn't go by their website just yet because on their product page, some of the buttons weren't working yesterday and one was leading to a page about a non-existent "E-M10iiis". But so far, it looks like there's no catch to shooting at SH2 at 25/50 fps and the other mode might be there for legacy reasons.
Petr Bambousek's review explicitly states that there is blackout in the normal silent shutter drive mode so that settles it for me; looks like the official spec list on GetOlympus is erroneous.
"This parameter is automatically set for a lens that does not have 50 sn support. It is important to note that SH1 and SH2 are photoshoot without blackout"
whumber So...are you seriously complaining that you may have blackout at a lower drive mode and "that settles it for you"? This amazing feat of technology has NO BLACKOUT at 50 or 120 frames per second, but you're whining about possible blackout at 20 frames per second?
Dude, read the entire comment thread before you throw a hissy fit. That settles it for me in terms of answering whether or not there is blackout in the lower speed drive mode. It's a bit disappointing that we don't get a blackout free drive mode at those speeds like every other stacked sensor camera on the market but I'm not going to cancel my preorder over it.
The only thing that I think one might have expected is a few more megapixels other than that it seems like a great upgrade to me. Improved autofocus, it's what was really needed, and it seems that they have delivered. More speed, better menus, huge viewfinder upgrade. Well done.
True but the gap between 20-24 is kind of minor. The MP junkie in me wants it to be as big as possible but in reality both are going end up effectively the same.
I'm wondering if it's a sensor engineering issue at the Sony plant that makes 20MP optimized over 24? Maybe pushing a M43 sized sensor to 24 and beyond starts to create noticeably worse performance in low light. Or reading off the stacked sensor has a decent performance boost at 20MP instead of 24. Or something as simple as a a wafer made up of 20MP sensors has a significant cost savings over 24MP?
Either way I think you're going to get about the same thing out of a 20MP sensor that you would a 24,
I have 20mp and 24 mp cameras. I can't tell the difference on a 4K monitor or big-screen TV. If you print huge maybe. I don't know. Been years since my last print back when digital was 10mp. 10mp looked great on 1080p displays. I think you need to get to 40+mp before you can see the difference on most monitors. I can see the difference between my 45mp file and 24/20 mp file on a 4K screen at normal viewing distance. But 24 vs 20-no visible difference.
Photodog2 - yes, no doubt that is very little difference. I was thinking - just from a marketing perspective it might have had benefits to show that this new OM was on the same level as the DX competition. But really - no real world difference.
I agree about the marketing angle. I have a friend, who is actually a good photographer, but is not that interested in gear, that went out and got an A7rIV simply due to the megapixel number. He was transitioning to mirrorless from DSLRs and said I have no time or interest to read or watch gear reviews. I think Sony has a good handle on the marketing aspect.
The new menu system alone makes this a consideration for me. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I'll wait a bit for full support across raw converter platforms, and any bug/fixes/upgrades via firmware along the way. But very promising camera. Honestly glad to see there isn't a bump in the resolution, 20mp is quite a enough for so many applications and OM have the multi-shot modes ironed out nicely. Good job OM.
I liked it a lot. However it doesn't seem to support the high burst rates on the OM-1. 25 fps is your max, in electronic shutter mode. Now that's still plenty fast, just something to keep in mind.
gawd - yes. I wish more companies would take the smaller sensor sizes seriously for glass. The 12-100 and now this 40-150 - jebus - those are just the shiz. Almost worth converting to oly just to shoot those two lenses.
I think it's weird that we consider 25FPS a drawback to consider now. The fact that you don't have to flip a thumb winder with each shot makes us more spoiled than half the famous photographers we look up to.
Chris Niccolls - I rarely shoot faster than 5FPs. With PRO capture yes, a little, but more than 10-15FPS and I have a pile of photos that are tossed because they all look alike. If you need the exact frame where the ball impacts the bat or the racquet. Can't think of anything else.
Most of the time I use 40-150FL I'm outdoors with enough light for f/4, a sweet spot in M43 for me. I stopped using the 12-40 when I bought the 12-45 to save bulk and weight. I'll keep the 40-150 f/2.8 because I have both TCs and sometimes I need it in gloom at a road-race track. The primes work well below that - 17, 25, 45, 75 f/1.8 I have when f/4 is too slow. The 40-150 f/4 is going to save me a lot of weight. Appealing when I'm carrying the FL for hours all day. Its the gear I most need in the near future.
Well well, so I am totally contemplating buying OM-D E-M1, but I think, being amateur, I will choose e-m1 mk II for the time-being. The only thing I feel I am losing in practical / real world terms for my use case scenarios is 4k60p, hand held hi-res mode, and improved AF with MK II still having above average hit rate when photographing birds in flight - the most challenging of all subject to me. As reviewed in the greatest mirrorless comparison for birds in flight there is on the web - https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/best/mirrorless-cameras-for-birds-in-flight/
Feb 2022: Sony A7 IV added Jan 2022: Fujifilm X-S10 added, X-T4 score updated Nov 2021: Sony A1 added, Sony A7 III score updated Aug 2021: Canon R5 added June 2021: updated the Panasonic G9 score after testing firmware 2.4 Nov 2020: Canon EOS R6 score added Oct 2020: Nikon Z7 score updated Sept 2020: Nikon Z50 and E-M1 III added to the list, ranking based on AF rate and burst speed August 2020: Fujifilm X-T4 added to the list
That E-M1 mk II is excellent. There is just a little bit to desire with the AF. It is just what they have demonstrated in this video. It is not very good at tracking objects. Oh, and there is no eye-AF. Otherwise marvelous. I would upgrade to the OM-1, but can not afford it atm.
I like M43. I have many lenses. I am disappointed that the new model didn't go to 24 MP, though I don't think that makes a huge difference. My iPhone 13 already does great video in a small package. I'm not sure I would buy this for the video, though you would get great image with your favorite lenses.
The only thing I would upgrade from my MarkII collection is AF performance. What I mean is the ability to focus on what it locks on to. Right now it's hit or miss. It will lock on to an eye but the outcome does not mean that the eye is always in focus.
I'm ready to checkout the ISO too! Is it really much better?
It's barely more the size of an A7c, but with real controls, 10 bit 4K60p video, solid construction, and engineering department WR versus marketing department WR.
And also a boatload of both manual and autofocus third party glass.
The video answers many of my questions regarding improvements to autofocus and tracking.
Whether this is a "WOW" camera or not is a matter of debate, but OM appears to have made significant improvements to the system. This body will provide a better platform for the 150-400mm Pro. This is what was needed.
After seeing some other reviews my reaction is indeed WOW. I thought it was going to be marginal improvements on em-1 III but this is a huge leap in capability and image quality. OM did it. And the price is quite compelling as well.
Revenant: I made the mistake of clicking on Sony Northrup last night. The video was titled "m43 is alive" or something like that - I wanted to see whether he'd eat his words. Well, of course not. He said that the Canon 800mm f11 would be a better choice than the 300mm Pro + MC-14. 😆
the 30 MP EOS R + 800 F11 is 2475GBP OM-1 +300F4 pro+ MC-14 is 4450GBP this combo is equivalent to 840mm F11.2.. both rigs are the same weight ish ..i think the IQ will go to the FF..or spend a little more than the OM combo and replace the R with a R5
But let's talk about if the EOS R is weather sealed and can AF track that bird while shooting 40 minutes later in the day. Because f5.6 capture is in fact better in low light than f11 capture.
Wouldn't a more apt comparison be the R6? Same megapixel count.
Except for the part where I had an R6 in my hands and during the day with matching new RF zoom, it failed so badly at catching a bird in flight that I kinda wonder if it was broken. As in, my comparatively ancient Fuji X-H1 did a better job.
yes its the robust body in a relatively small package which i think s the main advantage with m43 body...maybe that R6 was broken ..my R6 AF seems almost magic and can see birds before i do ..i have limited Esperance with BIF with it i hired a Tamron 150-600 as it was 3 weeks for the price of 3 days over Christmas but with wether and work i only got 1 afternoon out with it but was surprised how well it picked up on the birds ...its is fair comparing a higher MP body ...its not FF falt that m43 is not available over 20MP ...my party trick with my R6 is focusing on a single star with the slow kit lens ..folk don't believe me until i show them
davev8: with the 800mm f11 you can only use the central AF points and C-AF is pretty much useless. To say nothing of image quality - the 300mm Pro is miles ahead - comparable to other exotic teleprimes like the 400mm or 600mm (in terms of detail resolution). Plus the far superior build, dual focusing motors etc. The f11 lenses are ... not to sound insulting but they're cr@p. Anyone equating the two is out of his/her mind.
i have seen some very good results from the 800 (not in DPR gallery) comparing it to 13K canon lenses obviously not as good but surprising how good it is i think a side by side test would surprise you like the EF 50mm F1.8 is a cheap and nasty lens compared to the Oly 25mm F1.2 pro however when they are compared at equivalent F stops the 50 is stopped down to equiv DOF and the oly is at F1.2 the cheap $119 beats the $1K lens the reason is M43 has to enlarge the image on the sensor by 4 times more compared to FF at your enlarged viewing size so the m43 lens has to be optically 4 times better to match it ...and then when you start getting more MP than 20Mp the m43 lenses will fall further behind as Evan a poor lens will resolve more detail when put on a higher MP body so the Oly 600 with the 1,4X will have to be optically maybe 5 times better to match the 800 on 30MP CONT
This is 1 reason i have FF as its much cheaper to get good results at the DOF i want without buying 1K+ lenses as that's what it would cost to replace my 35F2is 50F1,4 85F1,8 100F2 i pay 730GBP for the 4 lenses second hand and i would only get 1 m43 pro lens for that and no better results ..granted they will be much better made and wether sealed ETC but this photographer is not whether sealed so its a moot point for me
You didn't address the autofocus, build quality and other issues I mentioned, but if you think that the 800/11's image quality is good enough, let's compare it with a m43 lens that offers comparable IQ, like the Panasonic 100-300 (older version) or the Olympus 75-300. And your assertion about higher MPs giving more detail doesn't make sense to me. The sensor cannot capture detail that hasn't been resolved by the lens itself. For the sake of argument, what would give more detail: a pinhole "lens" on a Sony A7Riv or a Canon 8-15mm on a 5MP body?
4K on the EM1 mark II was pretty good. Do we know if 4K on this camera is oversampled? If 4K 60p is as good as 4K 24p on the EM1 mark III then its better than most cameras with 4K 60p. And with that IBIS, many are going to want want this.
The last Olympus camera that I recall watching Chris review was the E-M10 III. Their next-to-lowest end system camera offering, I felt that he was pretty dismissive of it. But when you just got done reviewing a top shelf $4,000 Sony and have to step down to a $500 Olympus, you know, it's going to be a big step down.
This review found him far more engaged and excited about the product. It was frankly refreshing to see a YouTube reviewer who was taking a non-full frame, sub-$3700 system camera seriously and exploring its merits. This is why I enjoy Chris and Jordan's reviews far more than most others.
I just tested this. The HDMI still functions when plugged into a USB PD. HDMI output behaviour is a bit odd on the pre-production camera though:
When in photo mode, or with 'Monitor' HDMI enabled in video mode, the camera interface is moved to the external monitor, while the LCD/EVF display a 'clean' view of the scene. Unfortunately, this also eliminates any touch functionality on the camera.
When in 'Record' mode when recording video, the HDMI output is clean (necessarily) and the scene with the camera interface is displayed on the EVF/LCD. Touch functionality is also restored.
It's an improvement on the E-M1iii but I would like, when in photo mode, for the image to be shown on the external screen and the camera interface to remain on the camera.
I was going to ask the same question. Thanks to Jordan for the answer that HDMI in record mode will work with USB C-PD. This makes it much more usable if you wanted to power the camera externally and also use an external HDMI monitor (unlike the E-m1 mark III or E-m1x which don't allow external HDMI with USB C-PD).
There are still 2 restrictions that I saw in skimmng through the manual: 1) you need to have batteries in the camera that have enough of a charge to initially run the camera; and 2) you can't use it when you are connected via USB tethering to a computer.
@michael Restriction 1) is unavoidable as the camera's electronics need to be powered up to negotiate the USB-PD delivery voltage. It's easily solved by turning off the camera. This lets the USB-PD device charge the internal battery. It doesn't take long for there to be enough charge in the battery for the USB-PD delivery voltage to be negotiated. Restriction 2) is an issue for me. It was the same way in the E-M1iii. My work around for the E-M1iii was to use the external power socket on the optional battery grip. However the new battery grip for the OM-1, the HLD-10, lacks the external power socket. It looks like the only tethered external power option is a dummy battery.
In terms of the cameras electronics needing to be on to negotiate the USB C-PD voltage (i.e. needing a battery with a charge in the camera before using USB C-PD), I have several so-called trigger boards that have a USB C plug on one end and a 5.5mm x 2.1mm power socket on the other. Some of them have buttons so that I can go through the 5 voltages (5v, 9v, 12, 20v, and 25v) that USB C-PD supports, and others are fixed to a single voltage. These boards have no problem connecting and negotiating the USB C-PD support.
I use the 9 volt trigger cables to power dummy batteries in my current gear, and the 12 volt trigger when I am attaching an external HDMI monitor.
I don't believe my computer USB ports are capable of doing USB C-PD as a host. Sure, newer laptops now use USB C-PD to power the laptop, but they are not set up to provide USB C-PD support to devices plugged into the unit. Since I don't use tethering, it isn't an issue for me, but it could be an issue for others.
Honest question: Is there an advantage that m4/3 has in computational photography? Isn't 20MP the same amount of data to crunch no matter what the sensor size? Or is OM building up computation photography as their differentiator?
And what on earth had you guys scheduled at 11pm on a Monday evening that would be worth postponing a video launch for???!?
I don't know the details of this particular sensor chip, but generally the smaller the chip the faster it can run (smaller size leads to lower capacitance and inductance allowing faster clocking/operation). That's why cell phones with their small chips can "do so much".
For the AI computation I don't think there would be a difference but on the stacked sensor end the M43 should theoretically provide a performance boost. Even if it's the same 20MP as a 20MP FF sensor you're still having to pull the data from more photoreceptors on the larger sensor. Although I'm thinking that bottleneck is going to be peanuts compared to the actual AI processing of the resulting images. The camera processor will still be the deciding factor of performance.
Although I'm single so was doing none of them.. I can imagine a variety of things for a happy couple to occupy the 11pm time slot on Valentine's day, aka Cheap Candy Eve, by doing.
I still have my beautiful OM1 but use Fuji's now. Lots of action/nature focus. I'm guessing 4/3 not the landscape camera I would want but would be interested for those views in the further review. Oh and I also have my 1980's Zuikos so would want to use those as I do on XT2 and hope that would be possible. Looking forward to the full review. Great vid as always guys.
Don't know what camera was used for the opening shots, but it looked really sharp and had terrific colour, Also how did he manage to get the Great tit to sit on his hand? I have only done that once and that was a baby that I rescued from a large and deep flower pot
I find getting birds to land on your hand is a location-based thing. In Kensington Gardens I've had Tits and a Robin eat out of my hand, in my Garden just a Robin on one occasions (who came to a sad end in a neighbour's Rat Trap). https://youtu.be/4aku6rToVnA?t=25
You might be right. I have bird feeders,there is no shortage of food, so holding out seeds in my hand actually seems to drive them away I did once nearly train a young robin, which just forgot when we came back from a 3 week holiday.
Excellent video review. Highlights what I was wondering. It seems to just be a fast, sports, wildlife camera. Everything just faster. Too bad they didn't unlock the 80Mpixels for a single shot high resolution mode. Also seems like the multiple exposure mode might still only be 2 shots, as not highlighted as being more or in line with others. I don't like the articulated screen. Would have preferred an in axis one, or a new mixed in axis screen on an articulating back, to make both types of photographers happy. Surprised to hear the jpegs look the same as Em1mk3. So time will tell if the new sensor is better for dynamic range or sharpness.
The review is good but one has to notice that Chris has fallen into the same trap as the other reviewers. This could be described as the "always more " syndrome by comparing every new mft or aps product to a laundry list of what is available in larger formats . First of all , the MP count . 20MP is large enough for 95% of uses for most photographers who rarely print big . Not to mention that for static subjects the HHHR is really an impressive feature and again as a reviewer , always looking for something incompatible. Most users are fully satisfied with the read and write capacity of SD cards , especially now at the UHS-II standard . Lamenting that there is not a CFE card or some new standard is pretty lame imo also worth mentioning that I do not see the mention if there is any upwards or backwards compatibility in the new battery and previous OM bodies . Certainly a piece of useful information for ACTUAL users.
" Most users are fully satisfied with the read and write capacity of SD cards , especially now at the UHS-II standard . Lamenting that there is not a CFE card or some new standard is pretty lame imo " -Harold
It's really not, UHS-II was fine for 10 or even 15fps bursts but even a 1s burst at 50fps is gonna make the buffer clear time for that 1s something like 5-6s... A body this fast deserves CF Express Type A cards IMO, and those that don't wanna pay for them could just use SD cards in the same slot.
Hopefully the OM-1 has a large enough buffer so that this isn't a larger issue, but it's gonna have to be larger than the E-M1 III's to cope... I don't disagree with your larger point tho, I shoot both FF & M4/3 and I'm satisfied with the res and IQ of my M4/3 bodies.
@Impulses I use UHS-II cards in my a1, I never have buffer problems in crop mode, even 50mp is fine.
CFExpress-A are insanely expensive, and smaller capacity at that, capping at 160MB. I can easily fill two 256MB cards on a long morning wildlife shoot, three if it’s a great day.
Granted your file sizes will be much smaller, but if you’re shooting long 50fps bursts (which appears to be the talking point) then you will end up with an order of magnitude more shots than I take home.
Now I’m super interested this not for the burst speeds but or the Pro pre-shot caching, which should let me catch a lot of shots I miss — and that is the only good reason for buying a new camera IMO. We need moments. Culling 8000 photos every day is slow and dull and sometimes it tests your resolve to throw photos away. I don’t imagine it will put my a1 in the closet but I’d like to try it anyway, so I might take a dip. And hey, 3 year warranty for pre-orders.
@Impulses The clear time is actually worse if you read other reviews (imaging-resource). The buffer takes ~90 images and clears in 25 seconds
And if the body doesn't offer advantages over the competition why chose it? There has to be something worthwhile. Could be MP, could be AF, could be buffer. But currently its none of those
Harold - the buffer clear time for a 50fps burst will be huge - even with 20mp images. So yes, it needs the fastest card tech available. The D500 tops out at 11fps and owners of that body typically spend on the fastest cards to clear out its enormous buffer.
How often does one need to shoot 100 images in two seconds ? This feels more argument for nerds than real photographers Promoting a super expensive media while most likely 95% of the owners would never need it would be stupid , and brings a higher investment
" The clear time is actually worse if you read other reviews (imaging-resource). The buffer takes ~90 images and clears in 25 seconds " -panther fan
Hmm, that sounds like it's not fully leveraging even UHS-II, x90 ~23MB images in 25s sounds to me like <100MB/s write speeds, double that should be feasible with UHS-II. My E-M5 II could barely manage 80MB/s but AFAIK the E-M1 II had already doubled that a year later:
@Impulses Probably a pipeline thing. JPEG only is also only 90 images. The buffer clears a bit faster at 15sec, but nowhere near how fast it could. Maybe the processor is the limitation
" Promoting a super expensive media while most likely 95% of the owners would never need it would be stupid , and brings a higher investment " -Harold
Except we have dual role CF Express / SD UHS-II slots in other cameras already so they don't need to promote anything, just give the option to those that want to leverage those super fast bursts without worry and let everyone else stick to SD... (like adski w/his A1 a couple comments above)
How do buffer clearing times matter any more/less than the fact that it can shoot at 50fps? It all matters, along with the buffer size, etc. If you shoot one 50fps burst to catch precisely that decisive moment of an event you may well wanna shoot another decisive moment a minute later...
"How often does one need to shoot 100 images in two seconds ?" See now YOU'RE falling into the internet commenter syndrome of making excuses for the CONS in a review.
If you have a camera that can take 50 FPS, it's definitely important that your buffer can hold more than 100 frames and it doesn't take 25 seconds to clear those 100 frames out of the buffer. Don't assume that no photographers will be hitting 100 images in 2 seconds just because you don't. And if it's a selling feature of the camera, you can't immediately brush off the fact that your camera will be non-functional for the next half a minute after your 2 seconds of shooting.
It's a very notable issue for a reviewer to point out that one new amazing feature is going to be hamstrung by another lack of a feature.
I would add that if this camera is to be taken seriously for birding or a pro sports camera - having a non-functional camera for 30 seconds is a non-starter for most photographers in high pressure sports situations.
Harold - BTW - I don't disagree about resolution - 20MP is more than good enough for 90% of photography. There are cases where more is better - but as you pointed out - the high res mode takes care of that. But - I think it is entirely appropriate to compare this camera to other sports oriented cameras. Yes, the sensor size is different - and the price is different - but this is the top end body in the MFT lineup. If it doesn't stack up to the A1 and Z9 then we should know where it is different. They are aimed at approximately the same audience.
Unfortunately, the BLX-1 is not compatible with other cameras (and you can't use the BLH-1 in this camera either, unlike what rumors suggested). I just learned this on an OMDS webinar.
The OM USA site, along with B&H, my local brick & mortar store (Hunts in Melrose, MA), etc. all list a 3 year extended warranty, along with a second BLX-1 battery if you order by March 3rd, 2022. You do have to register the camera to get the extended warranty.
At the moment, the Olympus store does not list OM-1 accessories, so I can't tell if OM systems will go back to offering an extended warranty (at cost) after the initial order period.
Presumably they only had one M1 so shot bits with that and bits (when the M1 was in the shot) with other things. The fly-fishing was with an older Oly camera. Throw in a camera they can't mention (cough GH6) and that's where you are...
I have a Pen f and a g9, not a critic of m43. But even though this is better than the em1m3, at $2200, there are quite a few more capable cameras for less money. I’ll wait and see.
Looking at the wildlife Chris is getting with such a tiny luggable rig definitely shows off the use case, if you main activity is Trekking, fishing wildlife watching, its perfect, I still dont see pro event photographers using it, but if you go to to events mainly for the event. and want to get great images. its probably a good choice,
" but if you go to to events mainly for the event. and want to get great images. its probably a good choice, "
Heh, that sounds like the reason that I'm still so attached to my Oly 75/1.8 & my tiny M4/3 body despite having a FF body I could crop to a comparable output on a shorter tele... Different strokes and all that. I'm curious to see how some of the older lenses cope with the extreme speed of this body.
I'm a bit disappointed my 45/1.2 wasn't on the supported lenses list... (Being a lot newer than the 75, although possibly, allegedly, they are both Sigma designs. Not that I care...)
I keep saying I hope that M43's would focus more on smaller more compact and portable bodies. So I'm glad this isn't another EM1X monster. It looks like a great camera for a photo shooter (I still want a small street photography centric camera though.
Out of all the manufacturers out there I think Olympus has the most to immediately gain from a stacked sensor. All of their AI based photo composite modes have been what the competition needs to copy for their upcoming stacked sensor cameras. I loved Olympus's Live Composite mode for easily capturing lightning storms, or doing long city night exposures to fantastic light and people streaking. All stuff that can be done on other cameras with much more work. But with the Olympus you just point and shoot and watch the pictures develop on your screen.
I'd love to see this sensor on a PEN but my guess is we won't see it on anything else <$2K for a year or two, hopefully not too much longer after that before it tickles down tho... I'd like to see them use the current 1/60 sensor on a PEN in the meantime, even on an E-PL.
I would definitely be inline for a smaller, more compact, for enthusiast camera...though I tend to think Panasonic is more likely than Oly...If Panny would just make a GM6 or an actually update to the GX8 in the size of their GX9, that would do.
As for all their AI based photo modes, etc., um...well, to be frankly honest, I think all of them, including Oly, needs to get off their ar$e and really start working hard on them. Google, Apple, are eating all their lunch in that field and it's not even close.
@panther fan Exactly, this is kind of a big M43 body, and it's the same size as an average FF body. If I'm going to be hauling something this big around why not just get a FF camera?
But M43 used to be awash in smaller bodies like the Oly PEN-E Pxx, Pany, GM, GFx, GXx cameras. Now only a few of those lines are left. The PEN E-P7 came really close, but seemed like a 2015 camera in 2021. The OM-1 gives me hope because it seems like a truly upgraded camera to be a M43 in 2022. It seems like a recovery from an earlier mis-step. Now to cram most of these features and an EVF into the E-P8, or PEN-F II, or whatever.
OMG, i've heard sooo many people say they'd dive at an opportunity to get a PEN-F II that was water-resistant.... cute, smaller, hip... not quite what you brought up, but small and discreet
@ Imager of: Those doing real world photography know what can be done with 20 Mp. Hardly a major limitation for most amateur photographers, and even not for much professional work.
I'd like to see a mobile phone get a shot that's anywhere near as good as what I routinely get with an Oly 75/1.8 and a cheap entry level 16MP body tbh...
@Terrible Photographer You're terrible, you know ;-) The R3 does 4k120 in full frame and crop mode which is 4 times the resolution for three times the price. And you can keep the finger pressed on a much longer time than just almost 2 secs at max speed. 8 Stops of combined stabilization, hf anti flicker shooting, eye control af etc. I'm pretty sure it offers a lot more but if it is worth the premium is another question everyone has to answer for itself. For me, the price is high.
It does and e-m1 II is a great camera. This just steps it up to a whole other level with significantly improved image quality, DR, ISO, AF, Video, EVF, IP53 weather sealing, battery life..
@ jay jay02: To answer seriously: After working as a professional with digital for many years, also lots of large format posters and high quality books, I don't see a reason to be disappointed with 20 Mp, unless you work pretty specialized or regularly make very large prints.
@Magnar W but if Olympus had decided to add a few extra MP I'm sure you would have been pleased 😉. I'm often cropping so it's always nice to have that extra flexibility.
If they just implemented 4k120 or 4k240 to set a statement. I would like hfr video with that crop factor and the opportunity to use long ef lenses adapted for very close ups.
@Terrible Photographer after doing experiments with chroma subsampling even for stills, I got pretty close results with a 1mp chroma and a sophisticated resampling method for 20mp luma (a little research I did years ago if you upscale the subsampled color information using more modern methods). With more modern approaches, I really wouldn't need 444 not even for stills.
You might also not care about 50fps and are happy with 1-3fps but don't forget that not everyone is like you, there are people who prefer high speed. What use is 444 when what you intended to record isn't there as intended? Have you seen what software slow motion does with your 444? It's even worse than 420 with 1/5th of the bitrate.
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