2019 is DPReview's 20th anniversary year, so we decided to take a walk down memory lane and shoot with a couple cameras that helped usher in the digital era for pro photographers: The Canon EOS 1D and the Nikon D1H. Join Chris and Barney for some camera nostalgia as they take these former flagships for a spin around Seattle.
Neither Canon nor Nikon could think of any way to distinguish their brand from the owner? All they could come up with is "D" for digital? That's like a car company naming all of its models "C."
When they mentioned that the D1 was supposed to get a full-frame 6MP sensor (which I hadn't heard before), I thought they would mention that the D1 and D1h CCD has 10.8 million photosites (2x2 photosites forming one output pixel). This was how they used the same sensor on the D1x with a rectangular bayer array (each being 1x2 photosites). Nikon offered a RAW processing option to output 10MP from the 5.6 MP RAW from D1X, IIRC.
My first DSLR was a Canon D30. Focus was a challenge when shooting sports, but the images had a lively quality about them.
When I purchased the 1D, I was so happy I finally had a good focusing and durable DSLR, more akin to my EOS-1n film camera.
The 1D image color profile was difficult to deal with, however. Most who wanted to print files ended up creating or paying for custom camera profiles so the images wouldn't turn out with a green cast and bad skin colors if you tried to just adjust for the green cast. The 1DmkII fixed the color issue, more or less.
Batteries were large and heavy and didn't last well but what a huge move forward for a DSLR. No looking back to film after that.
By accident. And actually, only one of the original batteries was toast. Chris shot with the second of the two without any issues for the rest of the day.
The 1st dslr I purchased was the Olympus E-510. That little camera convinced me of the potential in digital camera technology. Still have it, still use it on occasion, still love it.
The 1D was what I bought when I decided I'd like to take the P&S photography hobby to another level. The mindset was, there would be less reason to blame the gear for failures. It was more than I could justify spending, but that in part helped the motivation to follow through. And years later, I'm still following through (only, with something more current [g]).
My first Nikon digital camera was the Coolpix 990, which was superb for a small digital camera in its day. Still have it in the closet but haven't shot with it for 10 years.
What I found more interesting about my time with a D1H than the image quality was all the other things about the camera that actually worked really well. - the AF is super responsive and confident, even compared to my D700. It's a responsive shooting experience which isn't much different from modern cameras and a very solid device. But some things are even worse than you remember. The LCD image quality is utterly gash. The menu is like something you'd find in an early 90s VCR. The battery charger is a hulking thing you'd hate to take with you when travelling...but you need to given the performance of even a new battery.
Never used either but the second digital camera I used was a D1X. Some of those photos ended up as 22x11 inch spreads i na coffee table book with no pixelating or other digital artifacts.
The First digital camera I used was back in 1992, one of those Kodak digital cameras where the image filesstored on a luggable drive the size of a VCR. (kids, ask your parents what a VCR was.) It had a tiny sensor which I liked as it meant a 600mm f/4 effectively became an 1800mm !
The video was not too bad and Seattle looks like a relaxed city.. why don't you guys ask your readers to send in video or photos from other cities around the world.. So if Chris and Jordan do a review they could showcase the pictures shot with the gear being reviewed.
I would love to see a story on the Digital Rebel. I bought one when it came out for $999 knowing almost nothing about photography. Kept the mode dial on green square auto for about 2 years! Then I decided to learn about it. That camera changed everything for me.
My first DSLR was the Rebel I got right after it came out in 2003. I still have it with about 40,000 images on it and still works great. In 2006 I got the original 5D. After 8,000 frames the shutter button broke and it cost $250 to get it fixed. Got it fixed and sold it on Ebay. I switched to Sony and never looked back to Canon.
When the Nikon D1 first came out I was working for a company that needed to produce 3 product catalogues and also some adverts for magazine publication. We bought a D1 to produce the photos and despite the cost of the camera within a month it had paid for itself in what we saved on film, Polaroid’s, processing, and film scanning. In addition it cut production time considerably. It was all studio based so automatic focusing and exposure were not an issue.
Oh, I have a flashback from those time. The arguments were usually going like this: "No, this is plain marketing (=/$E§?§* (* bovine manure). They are lying about the resolution. Those digital cameras use a Bayer Filter. The resolution is interpolated. In fact every pixel just captures one of the three prime colours. The output resolution is bogus. If you want to have clean output of 2MP you would need a 8MP camera."
@LJ The surprising thing was how good the debayering algorithms could be. As you point out, everyone expected them to generate one pixel per "bayer square", but in fact, they generated more than that, and this increased as the algorithms got better. It would be very interesting to see an article on the development of debayering algorithms over the last 20 years - are you listening - Barnaby? I suppose you could start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demosaicing
2 junk cameras that were sold as being the greatest thing since sliced bread. If you didn't want to pay for film and processing or needed immediate results, however, they were great.
This, for me, was a fun video... clearly one of the better impromptu, candid, photography related videos I've seen recently. It was nice to see Barney and Chris going back and fourth with candid comments on the subject. Perhaps other staff members, from time to time, could pop in with Chris and Jordan in the future... with new camera releases. Thanks for the continued advancement of providing technical, practical and hardware reviews about photography! HAGD...
It is great to look back at these early pro DSLRs at a time when the development of that technology is coming to an end. I would love to see a video that discusses how far DSLR technology has come e.g. from a D1 to a D850.
Great fun! I never used either of these - as an amateur they were far beyond my reach. I used Canon film cameras - EOS 650, 600, 100, 33; and then the Canon D60, and I do remember that in terms of handling, etc, just as you found with the pro cameras, the DSLR was very close to the film camera. I had a lot fun with that D60, with an old 24-85 EF lens on it.
Hmm for the price of the iPhone XS one could get a second hand 1D Mark II, IIN or III with two L lenses or an 1DX (calumet sold one for 1k bucks recently). If quality is really on my mind, I wouldn't say something like that when taking d-slrs of a similar price range into consideration.
I had a brief look look at some Iphone XS pictures in a review and was actually positively surprised by how well those images holds up even at full size. Yes there is some grainy noise even at low iso, but there is no smudging Noise reduction or pixelated foliage which so many other smartphone-cameras have a real hell of. My Iphone 7 was not very well either, but with that said I've barely used the camera at all since ios 11 and maybe Apple fixed the noise reduction issues with ios 12. The iphone XS howevever was better than I expected https://photographyblog.com/reviews/apple_iphone_xs_review/sample_images Still my Nikon D1H which I still have can produce similar results with less noise, still good detail but lower resolution of course. Not to mention the D1X and D100 which is 5 repectively 6mp might embarrass the likes of XS and other smartphones even more.
I wonder that Barney complained that he had to shoot with the aperture wide open on his Nikon D1H. Just took my D1X, loaded the battery, mounted a 2,8/70-200 VR I or the „insider’s tip“ 1,8/35 mm DX Nikkor. And could shot with any aperture I want… What went wrong? Enjoy my excursion with the D1X and 4/16-35 mm VR Nikkor: https://www.digicammuseum.de/geschichten/erfahrungsberichte/nikon-dslr-d1x-d1h-d1-update/
The D1H has excellent compatibility with all but a handful of the very latest E/AF-P Nikkor lenses (not counting pre-Ai 1950's glass) I guess Barney's not a Nikon shooter, if he was I can't see him not knowing about this off the top of his head or being able to pick up an appropriate lens even at short notice. It's much, much harder to source a compatible CF card than a compatible lens for the D1H! In fairness to Canon, original Nikon batteries for the D1H are also only good for about 6 shots these days. I'd like to see them try this video again but better prepared next time.
Yes. Reviewers criticise manufacturers if they think a product could have been better. Readers criticise articles if they think they could have been done better. As long as the criticism is valid and constructive I can only see that as a positive thing for everyone? This was a fantastic idea Barney and an otherwise excellent and enjoyable watch - I'm not saying it was a bad video I'm saying I want more ... just maybe without the brainfarts :) The next generation D2X / 1DMk2? (whatever was the Canon equivalent) would also be a great comparison - The D2X is still reported to have legendary colour and iirc Canon had a completely different approach at that time.
So those old cameras still work, and they work well. No surprise. I still use my Nikon D2Xs on occasions, and I have no complaints. Most people have no idea what camera my images are taken with anyway. They look at the image, not the EXIF info.
I still have my 20D (8MP CMOS) but aren't tempted as it's good enough for there not to be that much of a difference to a modern camera. I did fix my oldest (still owned) digital camera last year, a Coolpix 950, and that is more of a times-past feeling - plus I have the 3 accessory lenses, including the fisheye, for added 1600x1200 fun... oh and an IR pass filter as the sensor's IR filter wasn't great, so IR photography is possibly.
I still keep my 10mp 1D mark III as not worth to sell it. Still use it sometime in portrait mainly these days with EF 24-70L/2.8 II that I also keep. It has known creamy color tonality and skin tone. I shot it in several airshows, in an Alaska trip and an African safari with EF 100-400L IS and 500L/4.0 IS. It delivers great result, although only 10mp.
But yeah technology is moving fast and now I only shoot with mirrorless basically :-)
technology always advancing, and we user never stop complaining, we chasing them endlessly and found no perfect pleasure on our short-live human life the dream camera, len you finally get after so much time hard saving filled tears, happiness, but think about, it will be obsolete anytime soon, after 5-10 years, there will be much better ones out.
that's so sad!
maybe not for you guy, but me, many great things, but so less money
And don’t forget that 2019 is also the 20th anniversary of Minolta Dimâge RD-3000 https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62134713 Sensor 2.7 MP (1984x1360) Price: $ 3,400.00 USD (1999)
I won't be around, but a similar video 18/20 years from now will be totally amazing. Hopefully Chris and Barney (with Jordan shooting the video) will be presenting it. Gear has changed a lot in the past 20 years and I can't imagine what the next 20 years will look like - but I am sure of one thing - some dpreview members will be saying the 20 year old gear is good enough for most forum members (smile)!
Thank you for the kind thoughts, and same to you for 2019 and beyond. 20 years for now I will 90 years young - who knows, anything is possible. Have a wonderful year.
There is an error in your newest Gallery, as all pictures shown made with Canon 1D, but not one shown with Nikon D1H, as asumed the ones shot with the Tamron 17-35mm are made with the Nikon D1H?!
That was a great video. Looking forward to seeing more. The 1" screens brought back memories...horrible, horrible memories. Barney, you'd better get your parents to "mail some healthcare" to Chris before he bleeds out.
It truly didn't stop for about an hour. I blame the extra barometric pressure being at sea level. I was seriously tempted to use the sidewalk bandaid but in the end I just covered Barneys 1D with my DNA instead.
I was a professional shooter back with a D1 (not the H). It wasn't a camera I owned but I wish I did back then and wish I did still own it now.
The Nikon D1 was and is a glorious tool for base ISO shooting of static subjects, the reania low but the colours and character are fine for small screen 1080p or social media etc.
More feedback, don't bother with the DPR guys (again), just stick to Chris and Jordan, it's why you got them on, mixing them with the DPR guys has a different feel, one that I don't like, this video was slower and irritatingly boring. Sorry, I know it's offence, but if you want honest feedback, there you go.
Also, the Canon may feel familiar to Canon shooters, but I hate Canon ergonomics.
I went from a D90 (mostly for video) to a 5D2 and 3 and hated the ergonomics, especially the power button separated from the shutter release, Nikon's power/button is much smarter and more efficient.
This makes a difference when you're a pro and capturing the shot is everything.
BTW, the shots from these cams on my 4K TV via chrome cast look great, great pics, lovely colours, sharpness is more than acceptable -good content no matter the specs 🙂
Barney, you're great on DPR, as a Reviewer, and those others things, you do on DPR here. Damian is right, the "Dpreview Show" runs great with Chris & Jordan, and that's nothing seriously against your person.
"More feedback, don't bother with the DPR guys (again), just stick to Chris and Jordan, it's why you got them on, mixing them with the DPR guys has a different feel, one that I don't like, this video was slower and irritatingly boring. Sorry, I know it's offence, but if you want honest feedback, there you go"
Totally disagree, the chemistry there was very good. I liked the two guys with their old cameras looking for the Space Needle part.. haha :)
Barney, your easy going style is much appreciated!
I'm really sorry to be so blunt and I understand it can be seen as disrespectful, but I thought you'd appreciate the honest feedback, that's what it is, I'm not a negative troll, just an honest guy with perhaps an acid tongue.
The vibe was off for me. Chris is very confident and relaxed and the other guy seemed like he's either trying too hard, nervous or something, I can't put my finger on it, you can see Chris being patient. It's probably a lack of experience?
It's not easy, but unfortunately it's not necessary, just let Chris do it imo.
Barney, I was also referring to how effectively you shrug off criticism. Like here (again) for instance...
The video was a welcome reminder in how good we have it with cameras (and lenses) these days. I don't remember the original 18-55 I got with my Nikon D50 being much like the new AF-P version, not even close, actually. Some of these new, smaller, modern lenses are engineering marvels, the smartphones don't have that market cornered, for sure.
Also, I described the video as slower and irritatingly boring, not the subjects, what's worse than misunderstood critique is taking my words and using them out of context.
I stand by them.
You're the largest publication of your type apparently and you've paid the best (imo), Chris and Jordan to do this job (on-camera talent), let them at it, I'm sure they were chosen for that reason.
A businesses rarely continues to do well when 'new owners' change up the tried and proven method.
The articles are good, I rarely have issue and I'm assuming you write some of them, I'm saying, imo, stick to that.
If you think I'm being unreasonable, because that's how it's coming across, I'm disagreeing, again lol.
Hope you recovered from Pneumonia, Barney. The last time, i've had this in Nov 2017, together with high temperature, i was being working the whole week onto antibiotics and 40.2-40.3 °C temperature, which was being messy. Not kidding.
Just trying to show (show not tell), by demonstrating that you don't write English well, that your posts may not be the laser-guided criticism you think they are.
'irritatingly boring' is a tautology and clumsy syntax. If you're going to use an adverb in front of an adjective it needs to modify it's meaning. It's not really possible to be boring and not irritating.
The whole sentence is problematic to be honest. You use a comparative adjective: 'slower' but don't include the comparator and you announce criticism with a comma, when you should use a semi-colon, dash or new sentence.
I'm a chemist, so I could make you look silly for not being as proficient in my field as you are at 'english' (I bet you spell colour incorrectly).
You make no sense to me. Of course I can be irritated, or bored, or both. I may 'talk all dumb and that' -and English is my second language and I know a suck when I see one.
Academic types have never impressed me, now you guys are irritating and boring me.
'Irritating and boring' is okay. It's 'irritatingly boring' that's not okay. The adverb needs to modify the adjective.
"I'm a chemist, so I could make you look silly for not being as proficient in my field as you are at 'english' (I bet you spell colour incorrectly)."
Well, I'm not an English teacher so your analogy fails - English is not 'my field'. I'm also not actually criticising your communication skills per se, I'm just holding up a little compact mirror to you to see how ignorant (in every sense of the word) your posts were. It's not worked.
He's just doing that thing where he throws around a bunch of clever sounding words in an effort to reinforce his self-esteem at someone else's expense.
I'm a relatively nervous face on video, I won't dare link to any of them here, and I receive feedback from trolls and genuinely helpful commenters alike, some very nice, some a little brutal, like me haha.
I've been on YouTube since 2006 (iirc) teaching, showcasing etc. and I come across grammer Nazis.
He's probably VERY good at English, I'm VERY good at the things I'm good at too. I bet he's a hoot at parties, people LOOOOVE when their syntax is corrected, they just love it!
I still have my Canon 1D, it was a joy to handle especially with the great 135/2. I think I'm going to give it a spin after all the years it is laying unused in the cabinet. Hope the battery is still OK :-)
I paid here in Australia AU$ 12,000 for body only of Canon 1DxMK2 in 2004. That was my first digital camera. I actually looked at the Nikon D1x about a year before and did not like the results. The video brought back many of my memories of that era..
1DsMk2 of course. Thanks for correcting me. I loved that camera and despite the prohibitively high purchase price, it paid for itself many times over. I sold it for very good money and replaced it with 5D serie and shoot today with 5Dmk4. But I still miss the feel of the 1D body but not the weight.
The great thing about those 1Ds Markwhatevers was that, despite the $16 price tag for buying two, they were the only full frame, high res option and were a great investment in files that are still sellable today. Color from the original left a lot to be desired, but the mark 2 was really alright.
I had the 5.75 megadoodle D1x and I could never comprehend why anyone bought the D1h instead ?! It had no more resolution than the original D1.
The real interesting story with all that was that the 1Ds was everyone's upgrade from the D1x and, back again, the D800 was the upgrade to the 1Ds Mark III.
The D1h was fast and at the time was thought of as the better press camera. So sports, daily news, etc. The folks I knew who shot the D1x were the more aesthetically ambitious shooters. I left newspapers in the D4s era....for my money the D3s was the best news camera I ever used.
Yeah, I could never understand compromising image quality (when it was so, so low) for a tiny speed boost. The H was probably also cheaper.
Anyway, a great throw back video! Happy anniversary! Looking back, I apparently registered on this site in 2001! Fond memories of this and the Rob Galbraith dpi website...back when new digital cameras were great but poor at the same time, and early adopters were the beta testers. In the first firmware of the D1x it would revert back to the Japanese language default!
Thanks much for bringing back these old memories, Guys! Chris, you don't make yourself new friends - bashing the Contax N Digital, Friend. ;-) It was being flawed, and a hell lot expensive, but that wasn't all Kyoceras Problem, but the 6 MP Philips Sensor Design Flaws. And Barney - you don't have had an old 50/1.4 or 50/1.8 flying around, to use with the D1H? ;-) I am wondering, why no native Nikkor, but a Tamron...nowhere an old Nikkor floating into DPR Office Space?
I was reading DPR, since between summer-fall 1999 - i've found early Reviews from Olympus digicams, Sony and also Canon. Can you Guys bring back the Throwback Thursday? And where is Jordan? My 1st real DSLR was for myself the EOS 10D, and Nikon D100, only digicams before.
And the proof is in the pudding - means, one can make good pictures with any camera, and good light, way equal to what chase jarvis said, therefore my footer here for ages. ;-)
exactly true , if not for the criminally awful sensor the potentially amazing contax might have had a very different history.... phillips was always an awful firm
I have read everything about the Contax N Digital, back into its heyday, but i do must say, i do use Contax Gear since Decades, and therefore, Contax was anyway Worlds #1 with their 24x36mm Fullframe DSLR, and Contax was World #1 also, with a Top LCD Display on a SLR Body - that was into the Contax 167mt, a SLR from 1986, and before the Canon EOS 650, just for the record.
I do like & appreciate Contax Gear, and would shoot with it forever, until it works. The same would only go to Leica, which i can't afford, and partially also Fujifilm - and nothing else. Although i do must say, i have Cameras from many brands, and really don't care about - it's just a Tool, to get the Job done...but i like Contax as a Brand and Camera Maker (Kyocera) much, same goes for ZEISS. To each their own. ;)
PS: I do know your german Digital Camera Museum since so many years, sometimes looking, if there are new articles being written there. ;)
Into 2019, there aren't any "bad" cameras anymore.
Entertaining video! A large percentage of photos I see online from sport events and photojournalism are under 1mp. These cameras had plenty of resolution for this work even today. Sure you may be limited in printing crisp large prints, but getting images published fast was their main attraction (or at least one of them).
Two comments, first the colors in the well-exposed shots remind us of what we loved about our old CCD cameras... those deeply saturated primary colors rendered perfectly next to weakly saturated skin tones and pastels. If only we could still buy modern cameras with the strict color filter arrays of yore, high-ISO performance be damned!
Second, DPR staff has working copies of the Nikon D1H and Canon EOS-1D? It would be fantastic if these cameras were added to new studio scene comparison tool like the Canon 5D Classic was.
"the colors in the well-exposed shots remind us of what we loved about our old CCD cameras... those deeply saturated primary colors rendered perfectly next to weakly saturated skin tones and pastels"
Honestly, you're looking at ACR's 2018 interpretation of old Raw files. And (just speaking for myself) I spent some time tweaking the colors in Photoshop.
Fair enough, we'll take these as edited to taste. ;-)
I also process a lot of CCD raw's in ACR 2018 and find their strict CFA's do help me get the same saturated output (and avoid a lot of the metameric errors that I get with some other cameras).
You're right Barney, it's todays RAW Processing engines, with updated algorithms, etc. But back into the heyday, for instance, i still love the Output, old Nikon CCD Sensors do gave me - D70(s), D50, D40(x), D60, D100, D200, D80...at ISO 100, very nice and true to life colors. I was upset with my D90 & D7000 CMOS colors later, and flat looking pictures.
In contrast, old CMOS Canon Sensors do really excel with colors, too...thats why i do still like to shoot them, and so also with the early 2005 CMOS Sony Design inside the R1. For instance, old Canon DSLR, 10D to 40D, still like their Output much.
Sometimes, just a 6 to 10 MP APS-C DSLR with matching Lens is all enough. And those have been the good days with small filesizes in terms of RAW, because it wasn't that much, 6 to 12 MP, usually.
DPR, heads up. In the gallery from this shoot all shots are labeled in the info tab as being the Canon EOS-1D despite half of them being from the Nikon D1H.
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