The Nikon Z7 is the company's first full frame mirrorless camera, and one that presented Nikon with a stiff challenge: how to build a mirrorless camera that could measure up to its own DSLRs and deliver a familiar experience to Nikon users. Chris and Jordan have used the camera for the past couple of months and tell us whether they think Nikon succeeded.
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Editor's note: In order to fully cover the Z7's new video capabilities, we will be publishing a separate video focused entirely on the camera's video features and performance.
As a Sony shooter I don't get the using of two sets of scales, when it comes to judging the EOS R vs. the Z6&7. Except of not offering at least a usefull bread&butter set of lenses (16-35/24-105/70-200 @f4) both Nikons seem to be quite decent products, which perform and deliver well.
Most of the complaints are of an academic and irrelevant nature. But the Nikons are getting torn apart for shortcomings in areas, nobody cares about anyway. If all the experts, forum twerps and judges looked at the Canon product with the same pretense, they wouldn't even grab, test and concede it as a valid, contemporary product.
Minus one f-stop for the non BSI sensor and minus another two additional stops for the missing IBIS is performance-wise like comparing an APS-C or even m4/3 product against a proper seasonable FF. Then there is the inadequate continous speed,video function, buffer size and processor power etc...
But noone seems to be bothered by all the elefants in the market leader's corner.
As I shoot landscapes, looks like an awesome camera. But if I have to spend well over $3K on a camera I would expect better tracking and low light AF so it's there if I need it. I wonder if there is a big enough market for a high res, high DR camera without class leading video, AF etc, at a stripped down price? [Although the component cost of the sensor might be the biggest problem].
@Peak freak A7RII costs just over half the money of a Z7 right now. It also has access to the Sony apps so you can download and install an intervalometer. I agree that the K-1 is a great option too if you need a rugged and properly weather sealed body.
Good options, thanks. Guess I was thinking high res. Canon or Nikon without high end features and a price to match. I would consider the A7RII, not so much the Pentax with limited lens choice. I currently use a 5D2 and the awesome 16-35/4 (among others). The Pentax (Tamron?) 15-30 plus the body is a lot of camera to lug around.
@armandino: Thanks, that is a very attractive option, considering what I asked - high resolution and DR. I had considered it a good upgrade option, but (without wanting to start a discussion) the colours often look 'weird' to me. I don't know if its the users over processing or what, but garish blues and yellows... Regardless, I could still end up with one, hard to beat at that price. Thanks again.
I do not want to be beating over the topic again, after reading the wildfire article it seemed obvious to me the the best camera Stuart Palley should be carrying around is likely the A7RIII. If he he liked the Capabilities of the D850 and the package and EVF of the Z7, the A7RIII is the answer. Again one more article that shows AF limitations of the Z7.
@armandino.. the A7rIII EVF isn't equal to the Z7 and you can't presume that this distinction doesn't matter to someone. And since we're "beating over the topic again", the Z7 also has a rear LCD, top LCD, weather sealing, features, menus and build quality that more closely matches the D850 vs the A7rIII. The Z7 AF in many scenarios is at least as good as the A7rIII and maybe better. So, that leaves the scenarios where the A7rIII AF is better and perhaps dual slots. For some that is reason enough to choose the A7rIII but for a lot of other people the Z7 advantages are more important.
@Clayton1985 & Bob Jameson I am taking a concrete example and you are responding with your fluffy theory: Stuart Palley needed to switch to the D850 to get the job sone, that would hot have been the case with an A7RIII end of story. The story would repeat itself with wedding photographers, night event photographers and sport photographers. In any of these situations why would you ever want to have a Z7 instead of a D850. No reason unless a Z7 fanatic. The A7RIiI at least matches the performance of the D850.
@Clayton1985 Sure whatever you say. So performance wise: FPS A7RIII>D850 AF A7RIII~D850 (Sony eye af, D850 3D tracking) Silent shooting of the D850 is a joke So yes, when I said it was a match I think I was actually conservative.
Clayton1985: could you bring to the table your actual shooting experience, there is no proof anywhere on this site of any photographic experience or expertise. you might want to explicate if you really would like to take your comments seriously. For what I am concerned you could be a millennial (yes 1985 are millennials) taking pics all day with their smartphone while arguing about real cameras.
You're right. It doesn't lag nearly as badly as the Z7's.
"The Z7 AF in many scenarios is at least as good as the A7rIII and maybe better. So, that leaves the scenarios where the A7rIII AF is better and perhaps dual slots."
Yes, but there are many more scenarios (ie. anything moving at all) that the Z 7 is unusable in. Whether it has a hair advantage in still subject AF over the A7R III is insignificant, as any mirrorless and even P&S camera can capture still subjects without breaking a sweat. I use my RX100 all the time for still subjects, as its continuous CDAF is as bad as a Z 7's OSPDAF.
"but for a lot of other people the Z7 advantages are more important."
There are only 2 advantages:
1. If you already own a Nikon lens set and need AF. Though even then, 2/3 of Nikon's own lenses won't AF on the Z 7.
2. If you don't want to learn anything new. And even then, you'll still have to learn new things, as DPR complained about.
@Blue SONY EVF has less lag, but is not in the panel native resolution...
Or if you prefer, photo review is noticably sharper than live feed. I cannot understand how so many ultra picky people love that "revolution".
You may find it is good enough for you, I personnally cannot stand displays that are using sources in lower rez than native panel resolution.
So, even if EVF brings some neat features, I am still not enough satisfied by the actual offering. It get even worse if you have used a serious movie/cinecam EVF...
I believe the AF 'issues' people are complaining about are valid with any lens (including with the new Z lense).
Those problems can be summed up as follows:
1. AF in low light and backlit situations can hunt a lot, causing AF-C to be unreliable/unusable.
2. Even in good light, because all the AF points are 'line' type you can get significant hunting/failed lock on depending on the target.
3. When it hunts it tends to rack focus often, further slowing things down.
4. Face detect sometimes locks on to non-face objects instead of people.
5. Face detect doesn't prioritize the eyes like the Sony and Canon cameras, making the mode less useful.
6. Subject tracking is awkward to use and not very reliable.
7. It doesn't feature anymore the closest subject acquisition in auto areas modes as the Nikon DSLR's, instead it prefers the backgrounds which is really sad and annoying.
Again. Its C-Af. I dont need to have that repeated or preaches so people leanr through single minded repetition. Fujis was terrible until recently amd I still loved their cameras. I use S-Af for what I do. MF on occasion. So do most people. I dont care.
Only the first and 6'th points are strictly related to AF-C. I also use AF-S most of the time and the new Z cameras are just not there yet in regards of a good AF performance. Those findings are shared by all non sponsored and honest reviewers (including Dpreview).
I get you are sincere about your opinion.. But I never had face detection so I dont mind about issues with that at all. I would expeit to focus on the eyes. I dont buy a camera for a feature I dont use. Never mind .
Check the article ahead of this. Even the Z 7's AF-S with native lenses failed the photographer, and he had to go back to using his D850 to get the job done.
"I really wish Nikon get over their pride, acknowledge this situation and remedy it over a firmware update!" @eno2 Pride at this point is irrelevant and if you think a firmware is going to do it, you may as well try going to church, light a couple of candles and say a prayer, it should have about the same effect. ;-)
The Fuji XT2 with 1.0 firmware was a mediocre camera with a very bad AF performance in any mode. After many firmware updates, it's like a totally new camera altogether with huge improvements in AF performance.
So yes, if Nikon desires I bet they can improve the Z cameras AF performance!
Nikon's been known recently for their limited processor performance. Now with mirrorless, processor performance is in the forefront, right next to sensor performance. Even a firmware update can't improve slow processing. Maybe a completely OS rewrite, like Sony did with the A9 and beyond, but not something as simple as an update.
I wonder how many of the armchair experts actually have and use the Z7. I'm really enjoying using it for my daily work. Replacing my D850? Nope. Working alongside nicely. More often than not, it's used as the main camera too. Every single time a camera is launched there's a truck load of negativity and comparison. If you don't like it, don't buy it rather than act like the brand owes you something. Very odd behaviour.
The Z7 is nothing like a D850, it says Nikon on top and some of it is a Nikon parts bin, the menus kind of look similar, but that's it. You're basically learning a sneak system switching from DSLR to mirrorless regardless of the manufacturer.
The sensor behaves differently, the ergonomics are completely different, button layout, diagnostics and EVF etc. a completely different way of capturing stills and video.
As I said, the only reason to buy a Z is to keep your Nikon glass and have it behave more like native glass than it would adapted to another body, e.g. Sony.
But imo if you're going to head over from DSLR to FF mirrorless now, 2018, the choice is clear, the 73 and 7R3 absolutely obliterate the Canikon offerings.
The issues that plagued Sony 5 years ago such as immature lens line-up and lack of memory redundancy are now CaNikon's issues. However, your paying more for an undeveloped Z7 than you are for a sorted 7R3. That's crazy.
"I wont buy a System I have to learn from scratch and buy lenses."
Hope you don't plan on using AF, as the system's been revamped from the DSLR days. Also, hope you don't have a large amount of AF and AF-D lenses, as Nikon has abandoned them.
@DamianFI, that begs the question why the hell you own the Z7...and two of them! I have D850s and very little patience for the 'arrested development' of the Z7.
Because there's no other way to shoot mirrorless FF and acheive native focus with Nikon lenses than to use a Z6/7.
We purchased on day one, pre-order.
They are a great camera and if you have dozens of Nikkor lenses as we do, there's no other option if you want to shoot mirrorless. A Sony will adapt and focus Nikkor products, but poorly.
Also, Sony still don't have some of the lenses Nikon do. Even in mirrorless form, the 1.8 or 2/35 fast, compact wide isn't available.
Nikon's best move was to offer the 1.8/35 as one of the first lenses, the Sony move of offering slow and expensive (2.8/35) or monstrous and expensive (1.4/35) was, we felt, always a mistake and it's been almost 5 years now and still no sign of the 2/35 Sony have stuck to their RX1 for their ILC's.
They do have 4 50's two of those are 1.8/50's though, phew, thanks Sony.
Still, my point, the 7R3 is cheaper and better than the Z7, by a significant margin.
Can't say I agree with the autofocus performance of Nikkor lenses adapted to Sony bodies.
The Z7 focus all 28 of our Nikkor's better than a 7R3 will. Perhaps one or two lenses in a certain mode.may be similar, but that not realistically feasible for professional work.
I don't think it's fair to make conclusions about overall AF-C and/or tracking performance using adapted Sigma prime lenses. Isn't that about the worst combination possible? I know you used Nikon lenses in the written full review, and the tracking may in fact really be flaky, but it still seems like a poor choice.
Some people like Sigma lenses. It's not SIgma's fault Nikon keeps their lens protocols locked up. It's certainly not stopped people from going third party like they'd hoped it would...
There's nothing wrong with liking Sigma lenses. What's wrong is reviewing a camera with lenses that are the least likely to produce a good result and calling it a day. At least they could have discussed how the results with the Sigma lenses compared with other tests they did with other types of lenses.
Yes, you get additional info by reading the other review, but if you just watch the video by itself they just test tracking with adapted Sigma lenses and then conclude that tracking doesn't work well full stop, which feels like poor reviewing.
I look forward to a future A7SIII video review where they only test it with adapted Sigma A mount lenses and make conclusions about its AF performance.
"I look forward to a future A7SIII video review where they only test it with adapted Sigma A mount lenses and make conclusions about its AF performance."
The latest LA-EA3 and camera FW updates provide native AF, just like on the MC-11 and Metabones. The A7S III will also have a stacked sensor, providing near-A9 AF performance. You can be sure AF will still be excellent, as expected of Sony.
I know this would be a lot more work... But it'd be great if DPReview could give Jordan and Chris enough support that they can shoot the video reviews of important releases like the Z7 using the reviewed cameras (like Chris and Jordan used to do).
We always try to shoot with the same camera whenever possible. However, Canada doesn't tend to get many review copies of cameras. In this case, we could only get our hands on one Z7. Rest assured, when we can shoot a review on the same camera, we will.
Very good camera with some oddly silly flaws. Sounds very familiar to any other camera on the market. D850 - garbage video AF. 5D IV - why no flippy screen and the sensor's uninspiring. Sony a7 family - crappy to use in practice and is terrified of rain. Fuji - small sensors or CDAF-only. Panasonic's flagships - DfD? Really in 2018? Olympus - $2k is a lot of money when there's an a7III, Z6, EOSR, D750, 6D II, Fuji XT3 around there too.
I'd like to know why the AF isn't better, but I think we have to wait for a new, more expensive, model to see Nikon's AF system completely unleashed.
That’s strange, I’ve been shooting with the A7 Classic for years and recently also the A7III. I have no problems shooting with these, dry or rain.
In my opinion you can make ANY modern camera work for you, but some are more easily suited to personal needs than other. The one perfect camera doesn’t exist, otherwise we’d all be shooting with it.
I don’t know. I remember in the 1990s wading in with Nikon F4s w/battery grip – cameras that had ‘heft’, produced great results, and gave us the assurance that the gear is fine – it’s down the photographer. I remember using Canon 1ds mkii’s in the noughties because damn – 16mp (16!!) gave a double page spread; and because they never (ever) stopped working.
These mirrorless cameras just don’t seem to be for professional use. They’re like the raised pinkie seen when the English drink their tea at the Ritz; terribly polite and excruciatingly refined.
Look, if your camera isn’t capable of bludgeoning the picture editor to death, then it isn’t a professional option.
@vFunct I think the point Nathan was making was for the kind of work he does for a living, D800 is sufficient and that the Z7 does not offer significant enough improvement to justify the upgrade. It's not about mirrorless in general, and certainly not about the vast category of "professional photography" generally.
Just want to use the opportunity to ask how the flickers from fluorescent light in various parts of the video can be avoided. I’ve experimented with different shutter speed but it’s not a straight forward process it seems
Maximum shutter speed of what the power frequency is in your country. 50hz = 1/50, 60hz = 1/60. If that doesn't work you can go even lower, down to the frame rate (24p = 1/25, 30p = 1/30), though any fast movement from the subject(s) or camera will cause more motion blur than usual.
Those who post comments like -"not a professional camera, does not have this or that, etc.." You did not get it! Disregard all those interviews and b-s talks about how much thoughts they put in Z line. For now Z line is a bone Nikon threw into the Nikonian droid to stop exodus towards Sony! They have 0 desire to compete with Nikons own professional cameras. 0. Period. This just enough to stop you from switching to Sony. And year it works perfectly
But the problem with that line of thinking is how will it do that? The Nikon Z offers nothing to a stills shooter vs Sony cameras or DSLRs in the same price range which are much better featured and have much a more robust native lens line up.
Since you have to use an adapter either way to use F mount lenses on a Z7 if you just have to have mirrorless and are on NIkon there is no reason not to get a Sony A series instead. So the only people this will stop from going Sony vs Staying/starting with Nikon are die hard Nikon fanboys who just have to have the latest neato gadget (mirrorless). Everyone else on Nikon or looking ot buy into a new camera system will just get a Sony A7R III ior a D850 or even a 5DIV. All of which are better cameras for the same or less money.
For my style of shooting there isn't ANY ML that I would use. ML uses a lot of power for a decent viewfinder and that is not acceptable to me, period! I don't machine gun my shots, it takes me a while to compose and ML is not suite for that.
@kpaddle Personally I will never use mirrorless as a main camera for stills unless I can no longer buy a working DSLR because of the EVF which in addition to being a huge power hog, looks terrible. Yes even the "good" ones as they are still just video feed on a tin tv screen which is why the look terrible compared to an OVF IMO.
Gosh ! How can anyone come with the lame argument "Z cameras don't have large enough native lenses set" ? You were early SONY adopter that had to live a few years with Canikon sarcasms ?
Seriously boys, get a life. If you cannot understand a new system has a narrow native lenses set, you should stop trying using a photocamera. And stop posting nonsense.
If you are going to buy a Z7/6, you already know their is only 3 native lenses. Why bother with the argument : "with a SOny camera, you have a broader lenses set, so buy a SONY" ?? Frankly, get a rest.
And again, if you are already owning D810-D850-D5-D750-D4s and are not satisfied by the actual features of Z cameras, why the heck should you drop everything and go SONY/OLY/FUJI bandwagon ? Just because the hype ? It is not serious, just tech head barking b-s arguments for the sake of the "see I have the biggest/overhyped thing' .
And a beginner will never spent that tons of money on a SONY,nor Canikon top system.
"And again, if you are already owning D810-D850-D5-D750-D4s and are not satisfied by the actual features of Z cameras, why the heck should you drop everything and go SONY/OLY/FUJI bandwagon ? "
They are trolls, or .... who think a photographers life begins and ends by choosing between ml or dslr
Not a bad entry at all, but for the price tag it carries, it is not a professional camera for many, and it is an intentional decision not to compete with Nikon's professional camera.
For sure the Z6 looks like a better value and a better fit for most enthusiasts. Pros should stick with their DSLRs a couple more years until Nikon refines the AF system and inevitably releases a slightly bigger "pro" camera with 2 card slots.
And if you absolutely have to buy a mirrorless today, the lens selection of Sony is hard to beat. (Or Fuji or M43 for that matter.)
Nikon only has themselves to blame. They're the ones that blocked development by third parties, in an attempt to keep sales for themselves. Certainly hasn't panned out the way they'd like.
Suggestion for those that do the video reviews and the written ones: please sync your comments and opinion.
I know that the reason that DPReview brought the video guys on board was to add expertise to the reviews but opinions/facts/notes can't be misaligned (or not mentioned) by either the written part or the video part. Note this not only an improvement for this video/article but of many others as well.
Please make the opinions more uniform and aligned with each other. Currently it feels like they are not even talking about the same product.
If it's an "opinion," of course there's a chance they won't match up. The point of a reviewer is to give their opinion! If you don't like their opinion, then don't follow their purchase advice. It's not that difficult.
If it's something objective, we'll always make sure that we have our conclusions lined up (i.e. image quality, autofocus performance). If it's subjective (i.e. ergonomics and interface) Chris and I are free to express our opinions.
What exactly did you find in the episode that didn't correlate to the written review?
"Good reviews avoid opinions and just deliver the facts."
I strongly disagree, and in fact I wouldn't call a simple statement of facts a review at all. A review is supposed to also offer a knowledgeable person's opinions derived from their experience of using and testing the product. Imagine a book or movie review that only gives us a synopsis of the plot; that's not a review.
Revenant, "Imagine a book or movie review that only gives us a synopsis of the plot; that's not a review." - this analogy is wrong.
Book & movies are works of art - so of course the review is going to include subjective responses. A camera is a mechanical / electronic device; the subjective opinions of the reviewer aren't really helpful.
Of course I've no problem with reviewers expressing opinions on the look of a camera etc. but I don't need their opinion that (for example) lack of ibis in a camera means that another camera is 'better'. Just highlight the lack of ibis, and let me decide whether that's important to me (- not, btw).
jay-A - if they're wearing a stetson, boots, and enter the saloon it's because they own the saloon and they're entitled to wear the biggest stetson they have, driving up in their old Caddy with longhorns on the hood.
Don't forget who keeps flirting with 50% of world wide market share. But man I'd like to see them unleash their engineers.
"Canon blah blah blah market share blah blah" Canon owns most of the ENTRY-LEVEL market. It's worth peanuts, and it's melting away faster than the polar ice caps. It means very little in 2018, and it'll become meaningless by 2022. Canon's management is in panic mode, and with very good reason.
Canon also owns a majority of the mid-range and professional markets, it's not just the entry-level market. And market share is very important, because it's a measure of the size of your customer base.
While the polar caps shrink, the market shares of Canon actually rise. Like it or not. But sure, 50% market share cannot be relevant in any way, can it?
Read Canon’s Q3 report. They lost market share for the first time in years. It was pretty much unavoidable with their stodgy management and antiquated technology.
I don't get why people keep saying that it is their first mirrorless camera. They have done others in the past, but beyond that, first generation is no excuse for releasing an under performing product. If you are going to release a product in a free market place, then you have to be aware of the competition and ensure that your product will perform better than competing products at the price point you are aiming for.
Nikon should be able to scrape together enough money to at lest rent out a few competing cameras, and at least make sure their camera is focusing faster, capturing better video, and offering better image quality. And if Nikon afford to rent a competing camera, then they should at least have a worker look at reviews of other cameras, and make sure their products don't have the same cons, and ensure that they at least do better in dynamic range and other areas.
"I don't get why people keep saying that it is their first mirrorless camera."
It's an acknowledgment that there's a big difference between putting out a mirrorless camera with a 1" sensor versus one with a FF sensor. People erroneously assumed that everything would be perfectly transferable. That's obviously not the case. It's like when people said that making a mirrorless ILC would be easy because it's just like making point-and-shoot cameras, which are also "mirrorless." No, it's not quite the same thing.
camera tech evolve from the tech before it like any field of science or engineering. We don't go backward unless some bad happens to society. p&S use CDAF the same thing as early milc plus other techs. I had a sony nex3, yeah it was bad (so I didn't use it much and gave it away, I am an early adapter). But CDAF af fine on P&S tiny sensor. Nikon did say some of the engineers came from the 1. So yes ff frame milc borrowed the same tech as the smaller counterpart, but also has to develop some new tech for it. PDAF on milc is what made it worthy. So I am saying it is a gray area. It is nikon 1st FF milc, but not its first milc. I wouldn't defend either side of the argument. dslr and a p&S had a baby and it is a milc.
I understand that, but think of this, when a new CPU maker enters the market, do they start at the performance levels of CPUs in the 1970s, or do they do what the last 2 new CPU makers did on the ARM platform and advertise their first gen CPU benchmarking higher than competing ARM CPUs at their price range?
Nikon did not have to be perfect, they just had to be better, and they were not. They could have purchased or rented other current mirrorless cameras in their target price range and at least made sure their camera was better than those current gen ones.
For example, they should have made sure that the Z6 outperformed the Sony A7III in auto focus across the board, in dynamic range, in video capture, buffer depth, frame rate.
The Z7 should have been better than the A7R III in all aspects.
Or, if the Z's aren't better in all respects, they should have enough strengths of their own to set themselves apart in the marketplace... but they're modeled after the Sony's way too closely.
"If you are going to release a product in a free market place, then you have to be aware of the competition and ensure that your product will perform better than competing products at the price point you are aiming for"
Codswallop.
The camera body is part of an overall system. It is not the same as a typical consumer electronics device. Nikon or Canon do not have to ensure that their camera bodies will perform better than the competing products. Why do you think Canon have the number one share convincingly, after feeding us mediocre camera bodies for half a decade?
@jkgal - But is that going to work in the mirrorless market? That's questionable. The DSLR market was basically a Canon/Nikon duopoly with Canon and Nikon having overwhelming adoption and power. That's not the case in the mirrorless market. As markets change, disruption typically happens. For example, Nikon dominated the manual focus SLR market from the 1960's to the 1980's. Then when the market shifted from manual focus SLRs to auto focus SLRs, Nikon lost their dominance to Canon's more advanced EOS system. Now we have another disruption happening as we shift from DSLRs to mirrorless.
It's also going to be a Sony-Nikon-Canon monopoly, not much different. Sony is like 60% of the FF mirrorless market and Canon already penetrated 22% with one measly camera vs 4/5. It's not going to be much different. Sony always had better specs on their DSLT cameras, with huge AF numbers, in body IS, many dials, 60p video, etc, yet people preferred Canon because they "just work".
@Ebrahim Saadawi - "yet people preferred Canon because they "just work"."
No, in the DSLR market it wasn't because they (Canon) "just work." It's because everyone else was using a Canon DSLR (or Nikon DSLR). People naturally want to use what other people are using. As the saying goes, "popularity begets popularity" which is why Canon was still able to sell so many cameras even though they may not have had the best specs or offered the best value (with more recent models). But things have changed. The lackluster sales of the 6DII are indicative of people's changing attitudes. Fewer people are going to buy a Canon just because it's a Canon (or Nikon). We're also seeing a generational change, where the Canon and Nikon brands are no longer as significant to the younger generation as they were to the older generation.
Canon sells because it used to be the only company with enough funds and chops to create decent marketing, as well as having a gigantic network of dealers and distributors worldwide. It's never been about specs... until now. Canon are finally getting hit by the years of bad reviews and mediocre products, as they lost market share, a ton of volume, and had to adjust their forecast down significantly. As the entry-level market disappears, you're left only with the customers who actually read reviews and spec sheets - and most of us aren't happy with the stuff coming from Canon.
Funny how Canon and Nikon seem lame and obsolete, but in touristics place like here in Paris/Versailles, Canikon is still leading by far in the ILC appearance.
The only real competitor, and it is now the majority of 'picture taking device', is the smartphone/tablet. Period.
And I see more Fuji X cameras than any Alpha... Time changes, it may change in a few months/years, but all this manufacturer fanboys war is just ridiculous.
And in the end, 99,9% of flamewar guys here are unable to distinguish a final shot taken with an old S2pro vs a D850 vs 6D MkII vs A9 vs XT-3...
Past month, I did a research to see who shots with Sony, so I looked reviews on YT, IG etc. I For majority was one common: a lot of PP of photos and kids! Even on official Instagram page. When I looked at Canon, Nikon profiles, it wasn't the case. So it's totally different base of users, much younger and different style. Maybe that's the reason why so much hate on Canikon the base is different, sorry.
When I buy camera, I expect to shoot 200k without any fail and special care not to break it, it has to survive everything! So to speak, EOS R and these Z cameras, are looking like cameras described above. Both brands have a LOT of history in different part of world, conditions and nobody can neglect that! So what blocks me concerning Sony, is that they want to make camera that is more suited for "millennials" and "instagramers" with a lot of auto features and not that resistant. It's nice, but photography is not only the camera and PP! So stop just looking at specs!
"So what blocks me concerning Sony, is that they want to make camera that is more suited for "millennials" and "instagramers" with a lot of auto features and not that resistant."
Similar things were said about the Canon EOS system back in the 1990s: that they were going after younger and newer photographers with newer technology (such as electronic lenses, ultrasonic focus motors, image stabilization, more automation, etc, which many older photographers called unnecessary gimmicks). And yes, older photographers also said that Canon equipment was built lighter, and less "resistant" due to Canon's greater use of plastics. But Canon aggressively went after younger users by hiring celebrities such as Andre Agassi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E78OnfyQiWo The combination of better technology and going after the younger crowd clearly paid off for Canon. They overtook Nikon, not only in the pro market but also in the consumer market.
@Aleksa: no matter if your statistic is representative, but the observation that new camera tech is first adopted by younger people has a very simple reason. If you are about photography then you proabalby have the full equipment lineup when you are „older“. And then little reason to change system if there isn‘t anything ground breaking. When you start from scratch then you are more free in your choice and also not that much directed by your old habits.
"When I buy camera, I expect to shoot 200k without any fail and special care...
...So what blocks me concerning Sony, is that they want to make camera that is more suited for "millennials" and "instagramers" with a lot of auto features and not that resistant."
The A7R III shutter is rated at 500,000 actuations. The ultimate, top of the line Nikon D5 is rated at 400,000. Time to rethink your views.
what camera and lens was used to shoot this video? I don't see that information in the video, nor on the youtube page... i'm guessing that it wasn't shot with the eos-r ;-)
like the content tho, clean audio and snappy edits, and the list of linked entry points will be helpful, although that list also needs to be on the dpr youtube page, not just here.
IT's just me or the portrait shots (specially skin colors/tones) looks fake/cartoonish? I'm not trying to troll NIkon I do have a D800 and I love it. I will like to hear what Nikon users with Z7 and older models has to say about it.
if he was using lightroom it now read z series camera raw file like the incamera does, this wasn't true for other nikon raw files before. Maybe the default NR is on as in DPReview sample photos there was a high level of NR on the skin which is not what I usually see on nikon files unless you crack up the nr.
As for color and temp, that is up to the photographer preference in editing. In-Camera color science is for jpeg shooter.
My focus shifted a little and was thinking photography. She is a good model (posing and other things) with great skin where you can shoot f11 and not worry about cleaning too much. but most model outside of 25-30(more if they take good care) you will have to do some serious touch up. Or be lazy and shoot larger aperture.
Anyways good model, skin, lighting, lens and some skill makes any camera look good. Any camera can shoot models. The thing is canikon photographers have more longer lenses and are wildlife and sport photographers. Maybe do something on that. Granted there are some wildlife photography done with z7 on youtube to watch.
I would hope it wasn't. As the owner of an original A7R I can only say that I am disgusted at the toy like approach Sony takes to camera design. That shutter in particular should never ever have been near a camera. Playmemories anyone? What a joke. Its virtually impossible to do 2 jobs at once with a Sony - so many functions are locked out its simply damned frustrating to use - even the A7R3 has many of the same limitations and rather than include things like an intervalometer that Nikon and Canon provide for free you have to buy as an extra which ties up one of your external ports...hopeless. Nikon has take a great approach in getting the hard stuff done for their users - they put the effort into easing the transition from one body type to another. I think its to be applauded.
"That shutter in particular should never ever have been near a camera."
Don't worry, Mk II is in the Z 7, creating its own shutter shock.
"rather than include things like an intervalometer that Nikon and Canon provide for free you have to buy as an extra which ties up one of your external ports"
Good thing Sony provides you with 2(!) in/out USB ports, which then creates 0 issues.
"they put the effort into easing the transition from one body type to another. "
Until you start using the camera and realize it can't AF-C, and AF-S is limited to good/moderate lighting. There are now multiple articles on this site, in multiple situations (sports, models, documentary), including a full out review, that state the same. As much as you'd like to bash the original A7R (tied for first of its kind), the Z 7 (10th of its kind) is much more of a letdown.
So the Mk2 shutter is just as bad? Typical Sony. You still have to BUY an intervalometer despite the additional ports. I don't think the Z7 is as bad at autofocus as some claim having seen a video comparing it to a D850 using native lenses shooting BIF. It wasn't as good as it didn't score 25/25 like the DSLR. I notice you didn't contradict my point on the camera locking up. FWIW I still shoot Sony, I just wish I didn't. Better that than Canon -79% for their first FF MILC
"So the Mk2 shutter is just as bad? Typical Sony. "
Forgot the sarcasm tag. ◔_◔ The A7R II solved the issue. The Z 7 has shutter shock like the original A7R did, though. At 1/200 and slower. You can turn on EFCS, though it then raises an issue with faster shutter speeds, as EFCS is limited to 1/2000.
" I notice you didn't contradict my point on the camera locking up."
Certain things are still locked out, but the newer cameras are much less limiting in that respect, especially with the faster, larger buffers and write speeds reducing the lock out time.
I'm going to beat a dead horse some more. I know DPReview and everyone else and their mother just loves the sweet sweet ad revenue that Youtube gives them, but I (still) hate video reviews (as opposed to written reviews with actual camera pictures).
First of all, video reviews are extremely linear and you get the information at the rate the video presents them. Meaning I cannot easily skip over items I DONT want to read to get to the nuggets I want. The fact that this review now has links to within the review supports my assertion, but it doesn't make it that much better.
Second of all, I cannot review pictures acutally taken with the camera this way, they are re-encoded and downsized into a video format, so all the nuances the image rendering may have had is destroyed.
Third, at least half of typical reviews are basically head shots of the reviewer. I'm sure the reviewer is a nice person, but I'm not reviewing the reviewer, I'm reviewing the camera, and this part is just wasting time for me
It took thousands of years perfecting the written system of transferring knowledge via writing, and thanks to Youtube and "Ryan ToysReview", now we have a deluge of review videos to wade through and I'm wasting WAY more time with this as opposed to a "good old fashioned" written review with actual pictures.
If I want to be entertained, I'll watch a movie, not a camera review.
Maybe you missed the link in the story to our in-depth written review of the Nikon Z7, which includes a sample gallery of over 250 full resolution images that you can view online or download for closer inspection.
Our expanded video content is not replacing any of our written content. It's an investment above and beyond our written content.
IMO, the salesmanship in videos is better. With a written review, someone who is not a Nikon user, or even in the market for a camera, can check a feature or two, the all-important specs, and move on.
With a video, you weave a story. If it's overwhelmingly positive, you add in some minor nitpicking at the end. But the effect is of a very ernest guy, telling you that no, it's not perfect, but it sure is nice.
John would also like these reviews to be printed on paper and mailed to his house. After all, what good is a review if you can't lick your finger to turn the page?
I agree 110% with the OP... How about posting the written review at the same time as the video? I persoanlly never watch the vids - tried it once, didn't like it!
By the way, with regards to "there's a written version as well" comments, I've been observing that lately the video reviews come a lot sooner and more frequent than the eventual written review. In the case of the X-T3, the full written reviews came a lot later than many of the equivalent video review(s). I wound up buying the X-T3 before the written review because it seemed to take so long, while all I had to go on were tons of videos I had to wade through. At least that is my perception at the time.
Dunno, I appreciate both. Good to have tons of info to pour through at my leisure, but also good to hear opinions literally voiced. Nuances in speech are hard to communicate via typed words. Also, seeing the conditions the camera was tested under as it happens is interesting enough.
in a similar way, I also appreciate looking through physical catalog books, like B&H, just as much as I like viewing their website. So many things I'll never see on the site, just because I'm not looking for them or don't know they exist. And if I AM looking for something specific, the search on the site will take me directly there in a few seconds.
To me this camera was simply too late. If Nikon had released it a couple of years ago I might be one of the users of its 2nd iteration, if it comes with a dual slot. (Yes, I’m one of those who had a job saved by a second sd card) It looks like a good camera. I read people writing that since it’s the first iteration, it should be compared to the first a7r. But: does time teach something or not? Personally what I did not like is the hype Nikon created around a camera, as if it was a revelation. Perhaps to Nokon users, but not to me. I always appreciate Cris & Co. videos, thanks.
"Personally what I did not like is the hype Nikon created around a camera, as if it was a revelation. "
This. Even before the hype train left the station, Nikon claimed they'd make their mirrorless camera in their own way, different from their competitors. What we have now is a poor substitute for the A7x series. Bumped up specs in certain areas that are let down once the camera is put into use, with the rest of the specs trailing behind from the get go.
@justmeMN
"No, Sony was too early, and Nikon is right on time. :-)"
You asked in the end if this video was useful and for me no, but thats just because im not interested in nikon.. Still as entertaining as if i was, great clip as always i really like the new dpr not just because of these two newcommers but the whole team.
You said "ZED"!!!!! Nice going Chris! To keep things exciting on a grey day like that, you really need a Pentax, just so that you can give it a quick bath in the river...
I never take photos of bike riders or unfortunately gorgeous woman walking anywhere. So the tracking focus is just fine with me. My camera has the touch focus on the LCD when viewing the EVF and I hate it and never use it. So that is ok with me. I don’t shoot events so the single card slot is ok with me. I love the huge bright sharp EVF and LCD that is really ok with me. The image quality is amazing compared to what I have and that is very ok with me. I pay attention to my exposures and never shoot 6 stops under so banding will never be an issue with me. The front buttons will hardly be used and I am not a midget so reaching them will never be an issue.
I look at the Z7 as the original Sony A7R announced in 2013, it is Nikons first MICL camera. After Nikon makes another 5 versions of this camera like Sony has, in about 5 years is should catch up to Sony’s A7RIII. Same thing for the Z6, it may match the current A7III in about 4-5 years. Once both the Z7 & Z6 has the same high IQ GM like lenses, like the Sony A7RIII & A7III has, it may become competition. Until then, it is just a new system that needs many more lenses and improvements, which will take a few years.
Using your logic here, won’t Sony always be 5 years ahead? Really though, there’s not much that separates the cameras where the gap could be closed or eclipsed at the next iteration.
You are right in some ways but very wrong in others. The limited native lenses is similar to Sony except that there are many more lenses that can be adapted and with fewer limitations and lower cost. Outside of this argument the Z6 and Z7 have as many advantages over Sony as disadvantages which is not what you're portraying in your comments. I could just as easily paint the same picture with Sony and say improvements are needed in weather sealing, grip, touchscreen, EVF, rear LCD and overall build quality to catch the Z6 and Z7. In both cases we are misrepresenting the truth by telling one side of the story.
Yeah, no... the Z7 utterly destroys the original A7R.
The build quality alone proves that Nikon is capable of surpassing not just one or two but THREE generations of Sony bodies all at once.
I'll grant you this- Nikon does still have plenty of catching up to do. The Z7 is behind the A7R3 in quite a few ways. Sony does have a head start.
However, Nikon is already catching up to, or beating, the A7R3 in a few ways. And they're going to get quite a few more things "right" with their next camera, which will probably be out a lot sooner than their usual semi-flagship product cycle.
I guess we'll have to wait and see, but I think both Nikon and Canon will surpass Sony in many ways in less than half the time that it's taken Sony to get this far.
Why always this arguing: If you are in the Nikon system -Buy the Z7 if it is good enough for you -wait for the Z7 II if you need better AF, burst performance or a second card slot. The Z7 II will probably be great
If you are in the Sony system: -Buy an A7RIII if it is good enough for you -wait for the A7R IV if you need a touchscreen, EVF or handeling upgrade. The A7R IV will probably be great
If you are in neither system. Decide by the lenses you need. Native lenses are always better and adapting A- or F-mount lenses is not a great solution. So look at the lenses you want and which system has them or will get them soon.
The competition between Sony and Nikon is great. And you can bet both companies will go all in on their next iteration. Since they want your buy
@matthew saville - "but I think both Nikon and Canon will surpass Sony in many ways in less than half the time that it's taken Sony to get this far."
I love these predictions. Before CaNikon released their FF models, everyone was saying, "CaNikon are letting Sony make all the mistakes, letting the technology mature in mirrorless, then CaNikon will sweep in with their mirrorless bodies what will totally destroy Sony mirrorless." Well, that didn't happen. They came out with first-gen bodies that are behind in technology compared to what Sony has. And they repeated some of the mistakes that Sony made (such as only offering a single memory card slot).
People also have to remember that Canon and Nikon's update cycles are much slower than Sony's. We probably won't see an EOS R II or Z7 II for another three to four years. CaNikon DSLR update cycles typically run 5 years. I think people far overestimate how quickly Canon and Nikon can really move.
What a strange argument to brag about "Nikon z7 is better than a camera that came out 5 years ago". Really?! Whats next? Water is wet?
It is like saying "todays cars are way way better than the ones that Henry Ford created. What a loser."
Reality is that Z7 is not even better than the current flagship of Nikon and that is why it did not even pass the mark of the A7III a much cheaper camera. Nikon has their work cut out for them in the next few years.
@Rich Evans... using your logic none of the Sony cameras are better than the flagship Nikon so I'm not sure you're doing yourself any favors here other than proving how ridiculous your point really is. No one buys a camera because some review considers it "better" than a camera that is actually "better" for them and their specific needs. For me the Z7 or the A7rIII are both "better" than the flagship Nikon.
You can as well say the a7R III is behind the Z7 technology by a good 5 years on:
- Weather sealing - Video bit rate - 10 bit, 4:2:2 log - EVF quality - Touch screen capability - User interface - Intervalometer and 8k movie timelapse - Larger mount - Multiple exposures - Lossless compression - About 50% more AF coverage
The a7R III has a lot more work to do to catch up to the Z7.
@Bob Jameson - "The a7R III has a lot more work to do to catch up to the Z7."
Except in sales. The A7R III was introduced more than a year ago, and it's still outselling the new Z7. The A7R III has been consistently outselling the Z7. As of this moment, the A7R III is at #19, while the Z7 is at #25. That's still reasonably close, but we should expect the Z7 to be selling far better than that given Nikon's huge usership and the fact that it's a new product.
Besides, Sony will probably have an A7R IV well before Nikon has a Z7 II. Sony has very quick update cycles. A7R II was introduced in June 2015, A7R III was introduced in October 2017. It's very unlikely that Nikon would be able keep up with Sony's pace development and updates. Nikon DSLR update cycles are 5 years. Nikon doesn't have the resources that Sony has. Nikon doesn't even had the resources to pursue APS-C mirrorless right now, which will result in a lot of lost mirrorless sales to other brands.
It doesn't look like it's going to be any better for Nikon in the 2nd half of 2018. Both Sony and Canon continue to outsell Nikon in FF.
As for specs, people are looking at the specs when making these purchase decisions. And clearly, more people are still choosing the A7R III over the Z7, at least on Amazon. (Amazon is currently the world's largest seller of cameras.)
To say that sales don't mean anything is absurd. I'm pretty sure it means something to Nikon.
@Ebrahim Saadawi - The A7R III and Z7 both have their pros and cons.
"Plus you do know that Sony are last on sales versus Nikon and Canon right?"
Only if you count DSLRs. But in the mirrorless market, which now accounts for 40% of all ILC sales, that's certainly not the case. Furthermore, in the first half of 2018, Sony led FF sales in the US.
And it doesn't look like that's going to change for the 2nd half of 2018. A7III is still the top selling FF ILC. And that's not including the sales of the A7R III, A7R II, A7S II, A7 II, and even the A7 that are all still selling well. My point is that the mirrorless market is a very different scenario from the DSLR market. The DSLR market was basically a CaNikon duopoly. The mirrorless market is much different (thankfully!). Also, the Sigma/Panasonic/Leica alliance is on the horizon, which I think will be more competitive than many people realize.
@dereken - "Arguably the average buyer on BHPhoto is better informed than the average Amazon buyer."
First of all, that does not appear to be a numerical ranking. Secondly, even if it were, the list is clearly heavily populated with Sony and Fuji cameras that outnumber the Nikons. Plus, the Z6 appears to be quite farther down the list (assuming that it's a numerical ranking). But regardless, it's a big assumption that B&H buyers are somehow "better informed" than other buyers. And even if they are "better informed", then these buyers are definitely putting a lot of Sony bodies on that list. You also have to remember that the A7R III has been in the market for more than a year already.
I think you don't understand the #1 spot. Yes it is in a limited 6 month window. But it includes DSLRs and includes all camera stores including B&H. Sony also has Pro-Services
The major limit to that claim is the 6 month time frame. But we will see next month if Sony can make that 12 months. And then next year if they can make it 24 months etc.... Neither of us know yet, if they can keep the spot and defend it from Canon
I see all your fair points. And I don't claim Sony is the clear market leader. But it should also be clear, that Sony has come a long way from the tiny minolta market share, and that the duopoly is now a triopoly, where every manufacturer will become short term market leader if they release a new product
1.) Personally I never predicted that Nikon/Canon would "get it right" the first time. I was willing to give them ~2 generations to "beat" Sony.
2.) As I mentioned in my other comments, I think the product cycles for Nikon (and Canon) mirrorless cameras will be much quicker than their DSLR product cycles. Canon only announced one camera so far, for example, and I think they did it because they wanted to make any last-minute ergonomic and feature changes to their >$3K series camera before debuting it. We can only hope that Nikon is scrambling to make Z-series improvements ASAP. I expect to see at least one more mirrorless body in the next 1-2 years, whether or not it's a direct /replacement/ to the Z6 or Z7, it'll probably be a major improvement in some of the ways that any "class" of camera can be better.
But, at this point, I'm done speculating. The cameras are here, nothing else is coming for a while, so I'm just gonna sit back and let this whole thing simmer for 6-12 months.
One you tube photographer used Z7 for birds in flight. (Mark Smith) The hit rate was amazing. Perhaps that was because of higher light values. Or the way he set up the camera? So interesting that different users have different experience. When I tried the z7 I thought the focus tracking was quite good. Comparable to the D850. But again that was in good lighting conditions.
Also consider the movement of the subject: a lot of birds-in-flight photography has a subject that stays at a similar distance from the camera and is well separated from the background. That's a comparatively simple situation for a depth-aware AF system, so long as the photographer is experienced enough to anticipate/follow the action
Before Sigma updated their MC-11 FW to add AF-C tracking, I used to fire off bursts of 3-4 shots, held off a split second to let the camera reacquire AF, and then continued for another 3-4 shots, etc. Worked fine for everything except birds coming right at me. Definitely helped that I had 11fps to use. Now with full native AF in their current FW, I don't have to worry about anything.
Thanks Richard Butler. Good point. If you have a chance to watch Mark Smith’s video it might be worth the time. I love the d850 but it would be really great to have a lighter Nikon of similar image quality.
Curious do you only purchase American made products from the contents of your home, to your car, to your food to all of your camera gear, to just everything in your daily life? Are you strictly sticking to only USA products.
Intolerant of an imported language as spoken by the original users of the language to the point of discounting entirely the whole article. Only in the larger than life US of A. They have not moved either so a bit of a silly post really but to be expected unfortunately unless it is irony but that level of sophistication thought and wit would be unlikely.
It's interesting that the same alphabet letter can be pronounced so different in different languages. For me Zee is more familiar than Zed, but we get more American English here in Sweden from all Hollywood films and TV-series, than from other English speaking countries.
I asked Google: "Zee or Zed in English", and it replied: "It's not just the British that pronounce “z” as “zed”. The vast majority of the English speaking world does this. The primary exception, of course, is in the United States where “z” is pronounced “zee”. The British and others pronounce “z”, “zed”, owing to the origin of the letter “z”, the Greek letter “Zeta”."
In Sweden we say: "Zäta" (probably taken from the Greek origin. In Germany they say it like: "Zett" (more like "tsett"), and in France they say: "Zed".
The link you posted says in the end of the list: "When taken from this list and added together, the total number of English speakers in the world adds up to around 1,200,000,000. Likewise, the total number of native English speakers adds up to around 350,000,000. This implies that there are approximately 850,000,000 people who speak English as an additional language."
We were taught British English in school here in Sweden. How other countries does it I don't know.
I'm not sure what your point is? The native speakers define the language. Everyone else is just copying whoever colonized them or whoever they hope to do business with.
Also with any number you look at it's still hard to determine how many say Z versus Zed as in some countries they are spoken both ways, for example Canada.......
So the performance is meh. All that pre-release hype over a disappointing camera. Let's see some sales numbers to see if the Nikon Z is a success or disappointment. Den
"performance is meh"... what does that mean? The performance of the EVF, rear screen, touch screen, lenses, battery life, weather sealing, top LCD, AF-S is the opposite of "meh" and most of these are decidedly better than Sony. But sure if you need or want the best tracking and overall speed for action, etc then I suppose it is "meh". I suspect there are a lot of people taking pictures of their cats and telling everyone how the Nikon "performance is meh".
Since when does top LCDs have performance? They're useless. The battery life sucks, the lens selection sucks, the weather sealing hasn't been tested,
If you need two memory cards, decent tracking, good eye focus, good speed, a range of lenses, good dynamic range, no banding in images, good video, cheap memory cards, great battery life, touch auto focus when using the viewfinder, then this camera is pretty meh.
@Fly18 No banding observed on the A7RIII that I recall. The Z7 is definitely a good starting point but simply put you cannot throw at it anything like with the D850 or the A7RIII. Additionally, realistically there is nothing that does better of the other two in photography. Good to see that it has good ergonomics and built quality, but that does not make up for the mediocre performance and single card slot. I am sure that is a fine tool for many not needing higher performance, however it it cannot be argued that it is in the same league, and even worse, it is more expensive. Sony's inferior weather sealing and questionable inferior ergonomics are a lame argument to level out things.
@Hautedawg... spoken like a true internet expert that has been trained in internet brand wars. Congrats on your ability to read reviews, pick what you want to use and then vomit it all over this thread. Outside of the internet your post is just north of useless.
Weather sealed body, holding good in hand, durable, stiff... This is not MEH... This is how camera should look like, not like a toy! As for any camera, you need to learn it and to see what is the way to go with "her". So I'm completely sure that one who would have to shoot with this camera sports will find out the way to do it correctly. And that is user experience.
@Johans81 I do not know if I would trust the AF for weddings. Also eye af is a fantastic AF feature of the Sony, peace of mind when you are shooting critical people pictures with shallow depth of field. I would not trust a single card slot for wedding, i.e. in my last wedding recently a card failed on my A9. I was writing on both.
@Aleksa T 1) Weather sealed body this is no a binary situation of 0 and 1. Nikon is somewhat better than the competition. 2) holding good in hand: Nikon does not have a proper vertical grip. 3) durable, stiff.... seriously? Nikon is durable and stiff, competition is flimsy and... flexible? what other serious performance features can you imagine?
"If you shoot Sport, birds etc then yes just like sony a7r3 or canon eos r but if you shoot portraits, lansscape, fashion etc then no its excellent"
Did you even watch the video? The guy WAS shooting fashion portraits, and the camera's AF failed big time.
@Aleksa T
"Weather sealed body, holding good in hand, durable, stiff... This is not MEH... This is how camera should look like, not like a toy!"
Pretty sad when the "toy" makes the "real thing" look like a toy, then. ;) Even the reviewer said the grip was a too small, with poor positioning of the Fn buttons. There was a time when 35mm was considered a toy, too...
I really can't understand that scantily clad women posing for men are still used in so many contexts even by men who give the impression of being sensible and possibly sensitive in other aspects of their personality. It's 2018, for goodness' sake.
@Hubertus She is choosing to be photographed and be paid for it, as she is a working model. But yes, let’s make her unemployed to appease your sensibilities and overinflated self righteousness. It’s 2018 for goodness sakes, stop being such a snowflake.
@Simon Barker that would explain why he does not understand "scantily clad women posing", because it is unnatural to complain about such a thing, something artificial must be enforcing his beliefs, just trying to understand this cultural difference.
Thanks for some expectable male comments. Here are some answers: No, I don't blame the model for earning income from half-nude (or nude, of whatever else she might feel ok with) photographs, and no, I don't want to stop her doing it if that's what she really wants. No, I don't want to ban the making or showing of such photographs. No, to comment and criticize the out-of-context publishing of such photos or their making-of in a general photography-related medium does imply the wish to "dictate" anything; it simply is to exercise one's right of free opinion and free speech. It is especially funny that some people screaming "freedom" want to make others shut up just because they have a different opinion on a subject.
Oh, and no, there is no such thing as a "free country". Most people on this planet, even in countries with sophisticated democracies and constitutions guaranteeing basic rights, have to live their lives under massive restraints of economic and social nature.
And yes, I do "understand" such photographs; I am a hetersexual male human being in real life.
And still such photographs are denigrating to women in general, in reducing them to the sole aspect of their attractiveness to men. Such photographs still being as prevalent in photography as they are, and so many males not seeing the slightest bit of wrongness in them, are one of the reasons why photoigraphy is still dominated by men, and why there are hardly any women to be seen in forums like this.
@Foto64: either you really have no idea what sexism is, or you do and thus consciously exploit the subject and its victims to demonize criticism. And I'm neither the first nor the only one to criticize Ms. Ratajkowski; many people, especially women, did so before I wrote my small comment in this forum.
"It's 2018" and men's testosterone levels are down 30% from a couple decades ago. Maybe that's why we have "men" complaining about scantily-clad women?
@Hubertus Bigend what planet are you living in? I am probably the worst photographer in keeping up with Instagram, yet it is impossible even for me not to notice girls and self calling models or professional models addicted to post beautiful pictures and clips of themselves flooding social media. I constantly get paid by such individuals for delivering photos for such purpose. Denying Feminine beauty and the reality that women love it for themselves is so one sided. Today's politically correctness is destroying our very human nature. Simply put your argument goes against women's interested because you cannot be bothered to see a bigger picture (no pun intended).
@Jay-A I do not think I will bother. People who want to impose their views on correct behaviour on others will always find their point of view proved whatever anyone else says in a world of my opinion and the alternative incorrect thinking. Luckily most people will just ignore all this highfalutin moralising chatter and carrying on doing what they do which is usually in most cases what they want to do.
Which part actually offended you so much that you felt the urge to comment on it? The scantily clad or the women? Because I personally enjoy looking at both. You would probably vomit with disgust in Sixteenth Chapel or any fashion show of today. Get a life my friend!!
I think another problem with this, besides its sexist nature, is that review sites that include such pics assume that only men are reading this article and women are not serious enough photographers to be thinking about purchasing this camera or are even visiting this website at all.
I am a sexist Arab but the way I see it is, it's nothing degrading seeing you as a beautiful creature, if anything it's complimentary. I wouldn't mine being seen as beautful as Claudia here.
Hubertus, If the model was transgender or male and wearing the same outfit, would that have made any difference to you? Or is it just the point that the model was female? Den
my .02..A few years ago, i photographed some nude models in a workshop during during photofusion. It was my first time and it was rather uncomfortable. My wife didnt care either. I had photographed bikini clad models and saw a few images of nude model workshops with guys standing next to them in a group. Why the background and backstory.. It all felt sleazy and really had no purpose unless i worked for playboy or penthouse. A bunch of guys standing around to photograph a naked woman nothing other than a way to exercise the brain...
jglaser757, Yeah Alexandros of Antioch felt the same when he created the Aphrodite of Milos (otherwise known as the Venus de Milo). The female body maybe one of God's greatest beautiful creations, and should be celebrated not hidden or shunned for political or religious beliefs. Den
agree for professionals that is fine and Even the fine art photographer creating art to sell is great, but the nonprofessional shooting nudes for what purpose? For practice?
The thing in "celebrating" the "female body", whatever Antioch may have felt, is that you never hear from men who make a point of it that they'd ever would have celebrated the female mind, female wit, female strength, female endurance, female empathy, female personality, I could go on. After decades and centuries of progress in civilization through women's rights and other advances of humanism, some men still believe in a human right for males to slobber over female bodies or their images. Only of females which are "beautiful" in their male eyes, of course – the others are worthless, except maybe as housecleaners.
And photography like that which is shown in the video above is what helps keeping it that way.
(And yes, it is of course because the model is female, gender relations being what they are.)
jglaser757, Workshops are often used as a means of teaching. Some will further their experience into professional careers, others won't. So are you saying nude photography (or other forms of art) shouldn't be taught unless the students are already professionals? Den
Hubertus, My comment about how Antioch felt was clearly facetious. Your other comments are ridiculous and narrow minded. Many women have consciously used their bodies to attract and manipulate men for nefarious motives for thousands of years, so these women share some responsibility creating a precedent for social norms and what all of us have become accustomed to. A lot of women also sexualise men, so women have lost any credibility complaining about the sexualisation of women. My point is, it's the woman's own body to do with it as she wishes. Most men are designed to have a strong natural attraction to women, and women have been manipulating this fact for their own benefit since creation. Den
DenImage, you're missing the point by several miles. For all I've said it's completely irrelevant what "some men" and "some women" do or don't do. And it's typical of your sort that you never bother to argumentatively deal with what someone said, it's enough to just call it "ridiculous and narrow minded" or whatnot. And, of course, your logic is so flawed that all hope to reach you with reason must be futile. What, some women did something, so all women have lost credibility?
And still you probably will act up in utter indignation when someone calls you sexist.
Hubertus, You were "done" with your first lame post. Who are you to decide what "Scantily Clad" is? All women (and men) should be free to wear whatever they want for a photo shoot. Den
It would be interesting to see how this discussion would unfold if there were just as many scantily dressed men being photographed by professional women. Perhaps it is the balance of power and the balance of how many clothes each person wears that is the issue and not the "scantily clad". Sigh.
I am not sure how insulting other's masculinity has anything to do with this video no matter how clever the poster imagines himself to be. Amazing how folks so dedicated to testosterone are so incapable of making a relevant point. I guess we will have to wait for a female photographer to interrupt and set the record straight. Might be awhile.
Brev, Because there was no "scantily clad" model in the video. Go to any sunny beach, and you'll get an education on what "scantily clad" is. All this discussion, was over some wowser commenting over nothing. Den
Excellent video. I'm impressed that Nikon got so much right on their first iteration of a mirror-less camera. It's a little pricey for me but what I still am trying to digest is that the new lenses are so big. I guess that I've been spoiled with using my ancient D-series primes.
Looks like cameras with mirrors is becoming technology that has had a good run but will be giving way for the next best thing. I for one can't wait to give the Z7 a try.
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