Hey guys, how responsive is the M6 Mark II when using the EF lens versus its native EFM lens? Did you notice any focusing speed or accuracy difference? My second question is, will the M6 MII now be fully compatible with the 470EX-AI flash? My M5 wasn't and that sucks.
Nice Video Guys, but what's funny - i don't know you, but i do have a AF Point Joystick onto my EOS since my 20D, and upwards - means my old, trusty 5D also. So why mention this as a "new feature" onto the EOS 90D? ;-)
You Guys are wrong - the "Pioneer" of DSLR Video was 2008 the Nikon D90, 720p HD Recording - it came a few months before the EOS 5D II, which could shoot FHD 1080p, and a few "Doctor House" Episodes for instance have been shot with the 5D Mark II!
Canon removed the joystick on the 60D-80D. So it’s quite obvious why they mention it as something “new”. Since it hasn’t been on a non-single digit Canon camera for several years.
And while Nikon came out a tiny bit earlier with 720p, the 5DII still paved the way with the 1080p, and its uses in films/tv.
I used & use only the EOS 10D up to 50D. After that, Body build (besides 7D) became really cheaply made from haptics, and plasticky. FYI, the 60D was a plasticky Body, whileas the D7000 into contrast featured Al-Mg Body Parts, and also a 100% OVF, something into 2010, and Canon was only equal with their OVF into the 80D, not before, so the 60D, 70D have had a inferior OVF. And also not a Joystick anymore, OMG.
About the 5D II Video Feature - it was all being said before. I do know this quite well, shooting digital for more than 2 decades. Nikon D100/EOS 10D have been my 1st DSLRs, before that, varios Compact Class Cameras, mostly Ixus, PowerShot, and Olympus Series, but also from Sony - still, all are being working. :)
Ok? I’m not trying to be a douche here, but I’m not quite sure what your reply has to do with my reply to your first comment :P You seem to be Canon-bashing? I just pointed out a few things about your first comment, and you replied with a ton of bashing and what cameras you’ve used. That’s totally fine though!
I found it odd that both of the guys said they would buy the M6m2 over the 90d. I won’t buy another M line camera due to Canon’s lack of native lenses. This camera should have been an RF mount compatible body. If you’re going to have to adapt lenses anyway it’s better to be based on a mount that Canon is actively developing lenses for to allow you to reduce your reliance on adapted lenses over time.
"due to Canon’s lack of native lenses" "reduce your reliance on adapted lenses" - What are you talking about?! You can easily adapt all of the Canon EF and EF-S lenses plus all the third party EF optics. There's nothing wrong with adapting DSLR lenses.
Canon has 6 native m lenses covering 11-22mm wide, 22mm f2 low light, 35mm f1.8 low light, 15-45mm kit, 18-150mm zoom, 55-200mm. This is a good range for general consumer. (Plus 3rd party lens also available ... see compatiable M lenses under Canon M6 on B&H photo for which ones from Rokinson 8mm, 12mm and Samyung 8mm which are fisheye lens.)
Sadly, he’s right.. I really like the M cameras, but it’s quite clear that Canon is focusing on the RF lenses going forward. Hell, even sony (who’s been bashed for neglecting their APS-C line of lenses) just released a 16-55 2.8 and 70-350. Both APS-C G lenses as well.. I’m fine with adapting lenses. But it’s all kinds of wrong if you market a whole system, and basically tell people to adapt lenses (making the whole camera/lens bigger) instead of actually releasing lenses.
Canon has proved that they can basically spit out high quality RF lenses like there’s no tomorrow. But the EOS-M lenses are nowhere to be seen. Any other system that would have had so few native lenses after over 7 years would have been discontinued. The reason this hasn’t been is because it’s Canon, and they are probably the only ones who can afford to release so few lenses and still keep it alive.
"Canon is focusing on the RF lenses" - Yes. "it's all kinds of wrong if you market a whole system, and basically tell people to adapt lenses" - Well, they did the same thing with EF-S. But, if I was forced to use an EOS M camera, the first thing I'd buy for it would be the Speedbooster and I'd be using EF lenses anyways. So, for me it doesn't even matter if the EF-M lenses exist. Honestly, I kind of feel like Canon is forcing me to switch to a different camera brand :). I mean, they put better sensor tech, features and even buttons into APS-C cameras (M6II controls are much nicer than what the EOS R got), but then they give the priority to FF lenses. And we can't adapt RF lenses to M bodies at all. So now nobody gets all the best things. Maybe the pro version of EOS R is coming soon, but I'm not willing to spend Leica SL budget on a proper Canon camera. "so few native lenses" - Yes. There are more M bodies than lenses :DD. Literally, 9 bodies and 8 lenses.
For M lenses, Canon currently has 6 M lenses, and Rokinson and Samsung have 3 M lenses, and Sigma is planning on making another 3 lenses with M mount. That would make 9 currently with 3 more on the way to make 12. If this isn't enough lenses for a compact system, just how many lenses do you actually need natively. I would suggest before complaining first try an M camera before criticizing it. M series are an acceptable alternative to the Sony A6xxx series of cameras (and now have the same sensor as the 80D in M6 and 90D in M6ii), and priced around the same as Sonys apsc A6xxx, but with lenses usually a bit less expensive than Sony's lenses at moderate prices. But if you don't like the M series, then go with FF or go with Sony A6xxx series.
Who cares how many EF-M kit zooms there are (which is like half of them). Zero would be the perfect number if you ask me. After using primes only for a decade, on FF, I doubt that any crop could offer anything sufficient for my appetite. Unless speedboosted.
I agree for professional use, or serious enthusiast use FF is the way to go. For the most compact camera for personal use, the M series and the Sony A6xxx while not as good as FF, are far better than smartphone and mostly better than midrange m43 cameras.
4K at 30P at full width sensor no crop is fantastic, however, I cannot find out if Canon allowed user to use DPAF with 4K. Or will it only be contrast detect AF which are in RP and m50 in 4K. If 4K video 30P with no crop and DPAF dual pixel auto focus at same time that would be awesome and camera could sell well for semi-pros/enthusiasts, and worth updating from 80D. The 90D would be used for serious still and video users who are not already using FF for video, getting great images and video on a budget. I did find in your article that 90D has eye detect while in 4K, no mention of DPAF in 4K though.
I currently own both Canon 80D (for semi-pro video use in HD) and m6 (version 1) for personal use, and also a Nikon D750 (mainly for photos - pro use).
Did Canon put all the features currently available to them in a hat, and then ask the two design teams to pick them out at random and make a camera out of it?
In your video one of you say Canon pioneered video in DSLRs, while it was the Nikon D90 was the very first DSLR to have video in it. How soon you forget? Perhaps you meant Canon took it much further in development (than Nikon) in early days right up to DPAF. That I could understand! It is only now that Nikon has great FF video in mirrorless. Wikipedia... "The (Nikon) D90 is the first DSLR to offer video recording, with the ability to record HD 720p videos, with mono sound, at 24 frames per second." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikon_D90
The 5DII was announced less than a month after the D90 (I don't know which was available first). The 5DII offered 1920 X 1080, the D90 only 1280 X 720. An episode of House MD, one of the most popular primetime TV shows at the time, was shot on the 5DII. So, yes, Canon pioneered video in DSLRs.
Okay, Canon excelled at pioneering a new (Full HD) era of video in DSLR. Nikon only released its D90 product to public one month earlier than 5D2 (but was not Full HD only 1280x720 and limited in use), Full HD 1920x1080 came first in 5D2 which is higher definition and better for large screen viewing (plus Canon developed various codec in video and audio controls). Thanks goes to Canon!
Who pioneered 4K, as in the first to use in DSLR or mirrorless, was it Sony or Canon or Panasonic (GHx)? I would say Panasonic excelled at implementing 4K in mirrorless early on, and Sony later on in its A7 line.
According to news (and Tony Northrup), Nikon will be updating their top lines for at least another version of D750, D850, D5 and D7500 in DSLRs (which sell well). I am not sure about the lower end D3xxx and D5xxx however, I cannot see why not, these entry level, especially the D3xxx are hot sellers at Costco and Bestbuy. So I wonder what are the 5 models they mention also? Nikon does not yet have a apsc mirrorless like M series in Canon.
Nikon tried selling a 1 inch sensor mirrorless camera which ultimately failed to sell (it used micro sd cards, really?!). They should have developed an apsc mirrorless, which I am sure they are working on to release at some point. Sony A6xxx series and Canon M series have been around for years and selling well, so time for Nikon to get it right!
I doubt it was ever announced. Nikon in the news to my understanding will be renewing its top sellers for yet one more version including D750, D7500, D5 and D850. I cannot imagine Nikon dropping its consumer lines of D3xxx and D5xxx as yet, until they have something to replace it with. Nikon needs to develop and release an "apsc sensor" mirrorless model (not 1 inch sensor) which may happen at some point for the consumers. Right now only FF mirrorless available at Nikon.
Concerning video quality: I have a terrible flicker in the highlights throughout the whole video (watching it in Germany, Europe, on a MacBook Air - and I can assure you that the screen works without any issues, e.g. when watching TV or during normal computer work). I have never had this issue with any of your videos before. What's that? :-( It seems to be a flicker that originates from the reflection in the window and it is much more visible when watching in full screen mode. BUT the flicker is also visible in the bright outdoor recording! – ?
I used to use external EVF when I was using Oly m4/3. Trust me, it sucks. For one thing, you can't use a hotshoe flash and EVF at the same time. Swapping between them is annoying. It also makes the camera a little harder to get into a camera bag sometimes because the EVF will catch on the edge of the bag or pouch. But ultimately, if you are an EVF user, it's just better to have an EVF built into the body. After all, if you are an EVF user, when and why would you ever want to remove it? So if that is the case, why would you want a removeable one that takes up the hotshoe? Once I came to that conclusion through my own personal experience, I decided I never wanted a hotshoe EVF again.
The removable EVF is the best of both worlds. I use it on my M6 when I'm shooting longer lenses, like the 18-150, but not when using shorter ones, like the 22, 32, and 11-22. It's very small, and easy to carry. I much prefer having the option of using the smaller form factor when I want to, and adding the EVF when I want to. Now that the M6II also has touch and drag AF with the EVF attached, there's nothing about the M5 that I want in an M6II.
@Alastair Norcross - The only advantage of removable EVF is the tilt function that most removable EVFs offer. But unfortunately, Canon's EVF-DC2 doesn't even offer that.
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