The EOS-1D X Mark III is Canon's newest, top of the line flagship camera. It includes an all-new autofocus system, 5.5K Raw video, and arrives just in time for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics. Chris and Jordan go hands-on to tell us what the fuss is all about.
I really like the new touch-sensitive AF/ON "joystick" - thinking outside of the box, from Canon. And I like the fact that it can be adjusted for sensitivity.
But why I wonder didn't Canon take the opportunity to automate the sensitivity so that it automatically became less sensitive when wide area or zone AF was active, and became more sensitive when full area AF was active.
It would be really great if this was incorporated into future RF mount bodies.
It was mentioned, that the 1D X III has a relatively fast rolling shutter. So I would like to compare the read-out times for the e-shutter. For Sony a9 II it is about 1/150 of a second For Leica SL2 it is 1/60 of a sec for FF, less than 1/100 of a sec in APS-C For Canon 1D X III ??? I could not find the number in the review. Maybe you can give me a link ? Or the numbers ? (Sorry, if it is in there and I overlooked it.)
Why didn't you use a professional PL mount lens to get the best video quality ? On the SL2 video you probably used a PL lens and the excellent quality was visible. On the 1D X the crop factor (4K/60) is 1.3, unsuitable for PL lenses ... (or is this wrong ? I would really like to know what is possible.) And the raw mode ... Is this useful ? I heard most productions do not even consider this, because the effort of editing the material is so big and time consuming and therefore expensive ... No chance to make a quick and small video shoot. Not for daily work, maybe for special occasions. Is this correct ?
Wrong link DPR. When I click on "The most important Pentax cameras of all time" picture with Chris it takes me to the discussion of this Canon camera. Looks like a nice camera but is Pentax Week over?
AF-on button sensitivity adjustment should have got more mention than Chris's moaning about its sensitivity. It's potentially misleading way of presenting a feature that is very useful and innovative which he also points out that it is. It makes Chris looks like he is looking for something to moan about because it's not a mirrorless camera.
Consumer review of a niche top end camera? I find a fair bit of Chris commentary as if directed towards a consumer camera. It's only first look and no time for in depth but to me it doesn't make sense to discuss this camera with the same framework as the normal gear. I have no experience or need for anything like a 1D but it still stands out to me that the discussion is in the wrong place.
why aren't there any zoom shots in this video? did I miss it?
or is it not there because canon dslr gear just can't handle real zoom work? that would be a major fail, for a body that is being touted as having exceptional video capability.
a camera platform that is limited to fixed focal lengths is not a realistic scenario for real-world event shooters, who need to be able to do things like slow repeatable crawl shots, at zoom speeds that don't fluctuate all over the place.
The ability to do a smooth servo zoom is dependant on the lens, not the body. There are very few full-frame zooms with the ability to do a consistent zoom, and most will set you back well over 10K.
Milcman I tried to compare the e-shutter readout times. For Sony a9 II it is about 1/150th s, for a7 R IV maybe 1/30th s For Leica SL2 it is 1/60th s in FF and less than 1/100th s In APS-C What is it for the Canon 1DX III ?
But does it point to one or the other being the best choice for any particular user, or any particular genre of action photography?
It's still a very difficult choice, especially for anyone with a system of Canon glass.
Having used a 1Dxii periodically, I can say that these bodies handle like a dream, with fantastic well-spaced controls, and a nice big grip to "steer" the camera as you track a bird or animal. It's also probably the strongest and most durable camera on the market, and that's *hugely* important to anyone shooting commercially in tough environments.
But the weight. The weight. The weight. OK, I'm a wimp.
For all Canon, Nikon, and Sony cameras, I re-program the REAR command dial to adjust shutter speed (which I change far more than aperture when shooting in Manual exposure) and then barely ever touch that finger-off-the-trigger front dial. #PROTIP
I love the 1d series. They are fast and so reliable. With 2 bodies and several lenses on a wedding, I can hardly get up the following morning :) I've been a Canon user for the past 25 years until this mirrorless systems came up. I lost money during the transition but it was worth it. Now with 2 small mirrorless and a powerful software, I would never go back. Maybe for sports and journalist they will keep this system with all lenses accumulated for long.
Well, the Sony has better AF, more resolution, a faster sensor readout, IBIS, a tilt screen and costs and weighs half as much. It's hardly a 'never mind'.
The Sony also has half the durability, probably less and won't stand up to true pro level sports or wildlife usage. The Sony also doesn't come close in the video department.
Link? Both are made of injected magnesium alloy. The Canon has only four screws on the mount - the Sony has six. The Canon is the first camera they have ever made with a shutter tested to 500K actuations, the A9II is the third camera Sony has made with such a shutter. The Canon has two mirrors and a discrete AF module, the Sony has no secondary AF module. The Canon may be more durable, it may not - but cite evidence, don't just pull words out of a hat - 'half the durability' sheesh.
//The Sony also doesn't come close in the video department.//
No, it doesn't, the video specs of the Canon are extremely impressive. But it also costs as much as a pro video camera. I think it will be used for one or the other, not both, by the people who buy or rent it.
@Thoughts R Us - "The Sony also has half the durability, probably less and won't stand up to true pro level sports or wildlife usage"
That's nonsense and you know it. Besides, digital cameras are not 10 year cameras. You use them for 4-5 years, then you upgrade to the latest technology. Any camera on the market will easily handle 4-5 years of hard use. Heck, I have a lowly Sony A6000 that I've literally traveled around the world with, that has taken an enormous amount of abuse (it's cheap so I don't mind treating it like cr@p) and it still works perfectly even after all these years. I've done everything to it short of dropping it in a bucket of water! So I have to really laugh when people act as if today's cameras as so delicate. They aren't. They can take quite a lot of abuse!
@T3 ... at this point, you have lost me :) I know about "durability" of sony Axxx line quite a lot, and there is no way you can use it really rough ... So either your "abusing" use is actually warm touches here and there, or ...
sony is an excellent camera but in terms of interface, usability robustness it is on the different planet than this Canon's beast. As well as Canon is the opposite side in terms of resolution and landscape photography.
@toomix - People greatly underestimate how much today's cameras can take. Especially with mirrorless cameras that have practically no moving parts. I've gotten my lowly A6000 socked in monsoon rains in southeast Asia, been through intense high humidity and blazing heat (also in southeast Asia), been through dust storms with it, etc, etc. Dropped it plenty of times, The same can be said for my trusty old Fuji X-E1. Part of the genius of mirrorless cameras is their simplicity. The only thing mechanical/moving that they have is a shutter. Nothing to get knocked out of alignment, very minimal parts inside, very low complexity. There's a LOT more that can go wrong with DSLRs, which is why they typically need to be overbuilt.
Thoughts R Us: You have been bashed enough for your durability part, so I won't go there, but there is a thing about the video part. Yes the Canon has INCREDIBLE video specs, but when looking at Jordans video about video I see some major flaws with it. RAW video sounds nice, but only internal and for less then 6 minutes? No AF in many video modes? No IBIS only EIS that will give you soft results. And why did Canon used a micro HDMI socket instead of a full HDMI socket, it was not to save space on this camera was it?And the most important flaw: NO view Finder when doing video. When doing a hand held shot you have to hold the camera at arms length and no good IBIS at all. I think this camera is great, for both stills and videos, and the A9 is great for only stills, but that is what that camera is all about.
Thoughts - I don't like Sony cameras. Never have done and probably never will. But your comment about the a9 having half the durability of a Canon 1Dxiii is unjustified, as it just can't be proven, and there is no hard evidence from users or repairers to back up your claim.
My own long experience with Canon's "lesser" models, i.e. 5DS and 5DMkiv is that even they are virtually indestructable, so the 1DXiii will surely be even stronger, but there is no evidence to suggest that the a9ii and a7Riv are in any way fragile.
We know the camera is an absolute winner and a beast. But I'd like to comment on something else.
It's been said many times before but it bears repeating: Chris and Jordan's videos are probably the very best of any photographic equipment reviewers on the scene today.
Everything about these videos is just pitch perfect: the humor, the pacing, etc...it's not at all easy to do videos this well. And they seem to keep getting better.
Can't wait to see Jordan's video on the video capabilities. I bet he will make that camera sing.
A beast maybe, but a sales winner? Probably not. It will surely be the slowest selling 1DX body ever. I was expecting Canon to up the resolution to at least 24mp and lower the price to at least $5500 to stay competitive in a rapidly changing market, but Canon did neither. Instead they kept the resolution the same as the 1DX II introduced 4 years ago and raised the price. Sure, there will be buyers of this "beast". But flagship $6,500 DSLRs are no longer the only game in town like they were back in 2016. Thankfully buyers have more options now and there is more competition now, which is good for everyone.
This is not a consumer camera, T3. The people who are going to buy it know who they are. Canon probably already has orders lined up with major press agencies.
I read where about 80% of sports/PJ's use Canon and that is a market that has not shrunk that much during the camera market contraction. Look at the pro sports broadcasts; it's mostly Canon with some Nikon. Same with major news events.
You are acting as if this is some sort of consumer cam for the average user; it is not. There is a built in market that Canon has served very well for decades. Oh, and BTW, part of the appeal of Canon is the service; far better than any other. That's another point that really matters to the professional market that most people forget about.
Canon has a deep relationship with this market and has served up a camera worthy of cementing that relationship further.
I agree the video was informative and entertaining. But seriously...it's not a street photography or a travel camera that you go around town snapping sights. The review didn't challenge the camera, showcase it's technical marvel once.
That's what I need in the next more in-depth video: indoor (for lowlight iso showcase) and outdoor sports, perhaps some airshow or non-mechanical birds in-flight. Thank you! :)
@Thoughts R Us - Things are changing. And even the PJ/sports market is not immune to these changes. Like I said, $6500 DSLRs are no longer the only game in town. For example, White House press photogs are now using Sony A9's
This was once a market owned exclusively by Canon and Nikon. But technology has changed. $6.5K DSLRs such as the 1DXIII and D6 are no longer the de facto go-to for pros. I'm just acknowledging that these flagship DSLRs are entering a different era in the market with more options available to pros. It's no longer an automatic "winner" that it might have been in years past when such DSLRs were really the only option.
But Canon are between a rock and a hard place, trying to juggle their DSLR past with a mirrorless future.
Thoughts R Us: this camera is to expensive to be a real winner. And no it will not be as well selling as other 1DX cameras. Why? Because for many professionals the 1DXm2 is good enough, they do not need to change. For others they might like the smaller, lighter, cheaper A9 better and for some, they will wait for the Canon mirrorless sports camera that might come in a few years, and they stick to the 1DXm2 until then. Don't get me wrong this still is a great camera that will sell betterr then the A9, but it won't be the best selling Canon sports camera.
Remember the rumour that Elvis and Bruce Lee joined the CIA and their deaths were faked? No joking, this was a rumour in Ireland in the 1980s and not surprised if you haven't heard it.
DSLRs are still outselling Mirrorless and Canon are only competing with Nikon there, so you can see why new ones will appear for a while... (Jan-Nov 2019, DSLR 4.2M, Mirrorless 3.6M. Even if the figures are reversed it's still a lot of money.)
Plus the Pros doing sports etc. want OVFs still, so that's what they will get.
Great job Canon. Way to show! I can't even get a Log mode for my Sony a9... Much less uncropped FF 4K30p. All available on my A-Mount a99II... But Sony likes to secretly remove features without notice... Then release again and pretend major advancement and commitment to pros.
Looking really close at future Canon. I think they consider Sony as nothing more than a market research beta tester. I left Canon ten years ago for Sony. Looks like it might be a round trip ticket.
« But Sony likes to secretly remove features without notice » What is secretly removed without notice ? You buy a camera without knowing what it does ?
Thanks Zorak, I shouldn't have said "notice". I should have said "reason".
Sony provides no reason for why top tier a99II A-Mount has SLog but top tier a9 E-Mount doesn't. Sony provides no reason why a99II can record 4K30p full frame without crop, but no recent EMount camera can. It's not like they can't. a99II proves they can.
sony has always stated that the a9/a9ii is a sports camera first and foremost.
asking for hybrid capability out of a sports camera is not realistic, including with this 1dxmk3, that doesn't even have a ff parfocal motorized zoom available for it, like sony does with the 28-135.
additionally, sony has ibis, the 1dxm3 does not, and the a9/a9ii sensor has faster readout speed, so good luck with rolling shutter on this 1dxmk3.
Clyde Thomas: Why should Sony tell you why they remove options from a camera? There can be many good reasons to do so. Maybe you did not notice, but the A9 is much smaller then the A99, so heat build up in the body is different. Then the A99 can do 12fps and the A9 20 fps, then the A9 has silent mode, then the A9 has blackout free view finder, the A9 has almost no rolling shutter, do I have to continue?
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