The Olympus 8-25mm F4 Pro is a portable, weather-sealed zoom lens for everyday shooting on Micro Four Thirds bodies. Offering numerous special elements and coatings, the 8-25mm F4 Pro is no kit lens. See if it made the cut in this latest episode of DPReview TV.
Wind movement at the top of the tree...way up...very simple; observe the edge of the trunk as it crosses over the edges of the the bright background highlights along the edge of the trunk. Taller trees will show more sway from the wind near ground level.
Sorry... knowing that micro 4/3s will be the next logical upgrade in cell phone camera sensors (1 inch is already being used)... and that multiple focal length Leica lenses will be utilized on many of those (at least 3)... I can't help but think that a few billion 'shirt pocket cameras' photographers won't look twice at these overpriced lenses and camera options... knowing that their much more convenient cell phone will match or even rival this image quality with the same device they answer calls on.
Unless things become modular (either the whole camera unit is detachable or there is a way to detach the lens), I don't see m43 in smartphones coming any time soon. There is a limit to how thick phones can get.
Coming from the upper end, the slimmest APS-C fixed-lens camera is the Ricoh GR III with 33 mm, which has a retractable lens. All else equal, you might be able to built a m43 fixed-lens device with a proportionally shrunken thickness of 23 mm.
Now, let's look at what one of the key mainstream vendors, Samsung, has produced in terms of thickest smartphones: 16.6 mm: Galaxy K zoom, a 2014 phone with retracktable zoom lens 16 mm: Galaxy Folder2, a flip-phone where footprint is traded for thickness 15.5 mm: Samsung Galaxy Fold 5G, a foldable phone 14.2 mm: Galaxy Xcover FieldPro, a rugged phone
If the retractable zoom phones from 2014 didn't find a market, I don't think a 23 mm thick phone has any chance here.
Must be quite a thing to be the new Nostradamus, may we expect better handling from phones that will rival the comfort and control of a camera body too!
That must be a joy in your pocket , that said once you start trying to make your smart phone more like a camera ……..?
You still do not get all the direct controls or handling. It may work for some , it would not be a choice for me. Smart phones are definitely a solid tool for photography. I use one fairly often. But a day out birding , a music festival , landscapes or the Whitby Goth weekend and it’s the EM3 and a bag of lenses for me!
Smartphones cameras with a 1" sensor have only the one sensor/lens. They can't go wider, they will have to crop to get more reach. As far as I know there is only the Pana CM1, which didn't sell that well, and the new Sony Experia which is super expensive. What's the point in putting big sensors in smartphones? make it harder to design them? more expensive to produce? bring the battery life back to a couple of hours? I think cameras on smartphone have reached a point where most people are happy with them. The harm is done already. Only a few customers will buy smartphones with a bigger sensor. It's like the CPU that's inside, how many of us care what's really inside? we know it's 2x faster than the one we have, but since it wasn't a problem before, the upgrade is just nice to have. Since my LG G6, I don't really check how good the pictures are. It just works.
There is one current 1" camera sensor phone that I know of, the Sharp Aquos R6 where a 1" sensor is coupled with a 19 mm equiv. lens. Getting a conventional AOV for smartphones of about 27 mm equiv. thus requires a crop, meaning you end up with an effective sensor area of about 1/1.4".
The next one is the Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra with a 1/1.2" sensor, again coupled with a slightly wider than usual lens, 24 mm equiv.. Cropping that to a more conventional 27 mm, gets us to 1/1.4" effective sensor area as well, which probably isn't a complete coincidence.
And those two phones are relatively thick. The Sharp only has one camera which makes the camera bump smaller in height and width but the Xiaomi's camera bump is pretty massive; judging from images the latter is about 3.4 mm thick. And note that this is a on a 6.8" screen device, ie, a pretty large phone in all dimensions. The full thickness at the camera bump of these two phones is 12 mm for the Sharp and 11.8 mm for the Xiaomi.
I watched the video by other Chris, Chris Eyre-Walker, and DPR’s best attempt is pale in comparison. Whilst Chris E.W. literally keeps you on the edge of the seat, DPR review is so predictable to the last second. Can’t you freshen up your approach, DPR?
The point of this 8-25 mm lens is that you don't have to change lenses for a lot of landscape, architecture, etc. type of shooting. A 7-14 mm lens will require a lens change noticeably more often.
@Tom Wuergler - Sure I would have liked if Olympus had stayed in the business to make cameras as well, but I still think their glass is underrated and many photographers are unaware of Olympus lens design and quality.
Even though I don't shoot M43 anymore, this 8-25mm f/4 Pro would have been my dream lens, paired with the 12-100mm f/4 and throw in the compact 17mm 1.8 for street and travel!
I don't see this lens being the only lens you carry on travel. But one thing is for sure, Olympus is certainly obsessed with making Zuiko Pro zooms, there are far more options than any other first party manufacturers. 7-14, 8-25, 12-40 12-45 12-100 plus Panasonic 7-14 8-18 10-25 12-35 12-60. If you like pro tier zoom, M43 got you truly well covered. I would pick 12-100 for the best IS and versatility, 560g is not much heavier compared to 400g in any meaningful way.
"Olympus is certainly obsessed with making Zuiko Pro zooms" Yup, despite all the complaints about wanting "small and light" the Pro lenses are awesome.
My only disappointment is their pivot to focusing only on the SLO-PROs, instead of bringing out some faster PRO lenses. Low light is the weakness of MFT, and thus faster is exactly what is needed.
@memoochi: I respectfully disagree. The slow lenses mean that they're focusing on MFT's strength. The weakness of MFT is trying to offer the same possibility as bigger sensors like FF, when it's much harder to design a fast lens that will not be bigger and heavier (not to mention the price) than what the competition has to offer. They've released f1.2 lenses that are stellar (I can confirm, having the 17mm) but those lenses won't appeal to the MFT users who bought into the system to get a lighter alternative, or non MFT users who will see that it's a f2.4 $1000+ 390g FF equivalent. The 8-25mm is the only lens I know covering that range. Before the 12-100mm f4 those superzooms had bad IQ, and no lens allows to shoot handheld for one second at 100mm. For landscape it trumps any advantage bigger sensors might have in low light.
@larkhon without considering the price, you are right 8-25 offers something unique and lightweight. However, it retails in the same ball park of EF 16-35F4 IS, Tamron 17-28F2.8 plus a Sony 50mm F1.8 It kind of defeats the purpose of a smaller sensor. People in M43 just don't want to spend as much as full frame, otherwise they might as well go full frame. Size and weight is more or less a side effect of lower budget. Small sensor and professional quality glasses are not best combo. Look at EM1X and Fuji 200F2 sales.
@Photofrankenstein. Your statement “ People in M43 just don't want to spend as much as full frame, otherwise they might as well go full frame” is backwards. You miss the point as to why people go to m43 - It is size and weight. Lower cost is the side effect. If a m43 lens costs the same as a FF version, that is irrelevant because we didn’t choose m43 based on cost.
@MNE you can keep telling this to yourself, sadly repeating one thousand times wouldn't make it a reality. No matter u look at average user spending, average lens price and lens per body sold statistics, M43 system is at the lower end of interchangeable lens systems. Not to say the lenses are of lower quality or people bought M43 are poorer than people bought full frame. Just hardcore fact no matter you or me like it or not. Olympus and Panasonic had each attempted to move M43 upmarket a bit. In the end, EM1X was a failure Olympus lost direction and Panasonic slashed G9 price to sell more, eventually ventured into full frame L mount system.
Individual user might choose M43 and couldn't care less about price, each to its own.
Your thoughts about the success or failure of m43, Olympus, and Panasonic are also opinions not necessarily based on facts. All camera makers are struggling.
@photofrankenstein: it is wrong to think that if the cost is the same one is necessarily going FF and size and weight are a side effect. First of all, why would FF manufacturers make smaller lenses and body like the A7c + 28-60mm? They're obviously slow and of limited range. I'll make an assumption here. I think people who are used to FF look at M43 thinking it's not up to the task, that there's little gain because they need an equivalent lens and size and weight doesn't matter. M43 should be cheaper because it can't do everything FF can. For one coming from the other hand of the spectrum, is FF that attractive? Why should one sell their M43 to switch to FF? Would a smartphone user buy a FF camera as their first dedicated camera or rather this new small E-P7? From my enthusiast point of view I would be happy with my Z7 + 14-30mm which will give almost the same range with DX mode. But if I need another lens to bring with me it will get a lot heavier compared to M43
I just think the amount of people move upstream is far larger than the amount of people move downstream. Even 0.1% of smartphone users is a huge number for any interchangeable lens manufacturers. Every year there are a lot of people not happy with smartphone image quality and upgrade to a dedicated camera. Then some go M43 some APSC some go FF. Comparatively, FF users who are not happy with FF size and weight then decide to go back to M43 are of a smaller number. Just my speculation you may disagree.
@photofrankenstein: I don't think there are a lot of people moving from FF to M43 either. There was maybe a trend at some point of older people tired to carry big heavy DSLRs, and who couldn't find what they needed from APS-C (often under developed in terms of lenses' lineup). I was trying to explain that for FF owners there's a higher chance that they'll dismiss M43 if they have no reason to sacrifice IQ for size and weight, especially if they think they need to find equivalent lenses for their previous gear. They most likely won't even save weight if they're only considering the Pro lenses. But also FF isn't necessarily an upgrade path for everyone. I don't think all M43 or APS-C users constantly think, if I have the money I will buy FF. That's why this kind of lenses are interesting. Obviously M43 can't improve enough to rival FF on the sensor side so giving lenses that didn't exist yet is a form of improvement for some.
Huh? The comments about close-up capability, especially compared to 12-100, are very confusing.
12-100 has objectively better close focusing capability. At the wide end, it's order of magnitude better (x0.3 vs x0.07 on 8-25) and at tele end it's the same (x0.21 for both).
And a note on sunstars. For lenses that are designed to produce nice sunstars, there is no need to stop down to diffraction levels. PanaLeica 12/1.4 starts producing them very quickly, so do Voigtlanders. And with other lenses, no matter how far you stop down, the sunstars will be ugly.
would like to see the side by side with the 10-25 f1.7. It's a lot more lens but it's not THAT much bigger on a camera body and it's just so much faster... Jordan really going to give up the 10-25 for this?
The 10-25 is an excellent lens, but it is considerably heavier and more expensive, while not going as wide. You'd choose it if you needed the faster aperture more than the additional range and lighter weight.
The situation with Kananaskis Country is pricier than Chris is letting on. Sure, it's $15, but that is for only one vehicle and one day. It's $90 for up to 2 vehicles, per year.
I wonder with an EM1.3 if you could leave the tripod at home and shoot those long exposures hand held? Maybe use trees and such to help brace yourself for extra stability.
This would be the first lens I'd get since it is excellent for stills and video.
The answer to that is a clear Yes!. I say this because I have the PL 8-18 which I have used to shoot waterfalls on my EM1.2 and now EM1.3 handheld, almost always stopped down to f/5.6 and usually with stacked CPL and ND filters.
Let me put it another, perhaps more useful way, I can shoot 1 to 2 second exposures handheld and get sharp results. 2-3 seconds is hit or miss for wide shots but either bracing yourself or shooting in bursts, will generally get a sharp capture. I would expect that routinely getting sharp results at 1 second handheld, even at 25mm, would not be a problem. I have a good tripod and head, but rarely ever use it other than for macro. (But will never part with my rarely used tripod)
My experience mimics Albert's even with my older E-M5 II, the III does a little better... 1-2s was definitely doable without a lot of trial and error with a wide lens on the former. I still tend to carry a tripod for longer exposures and group shots, etc.
This Olympus Q&A video from today (09/06/21) will help let you work that question out. It's an hour long, but worth it if your thinking of investing in the lens.
C'mon DPR team. One point you make in the video is the lclose up of the 12-100. I bought the 12-100 for its close up capabilities which, as far as I can tell are better :/
Yeah, I noticed that too although I couldn’t recall the figures off the top of my head.
As you note, the 12–100, like the 12–40 and many other Micro Four Thirds lenses, has strong close-up performance. It’s one of the unheralded delights of the system.
Exactly. Although I do not think in terms of different formats, I think if that mag as 0.3x at the wide end, and 0.2x at the long end. The mag factor is always relative to sensor size. One of the reasons why I switched from Fuji to Olympus years ago was because many Pro m43 lenses have close focus ability which I cherish
I am rather surprised to note that the first mention that this lens can take filters, without an adapter, about 3-4 hours ago (in relation to my reply).
I would have that that the 'lensatic duo' reviewing the lens would have mentioned that ability as a massive positive for landscape photographers, (and motorsport photographers such as myself), for the ability to whack an ND filter, or grad ND filter or polariser or or whatever on the front of the lens.
“Ordinary”, he says. For a lens with a unique angle-of-view range in the entire industry.
Besides, almost all lenses get the press release / announcement article, a hands-on article, a sample gallery, and, these days, a DPReview TV video. It doesn’t mean anything in particular.
I am certain you can think of something more sensible to complain about.
@Samuel Dilworth You are right, *everything* now gets at least 4 news articles at DPR. That's exactly what I do complain about. It is noise making me waste my time in watching DPR having actual news to consider.
I already have reduced the frequency I visit DPR partly b/c of this. And maybe, DPR should take notice.
BTW, an16-50/F8 (35mm-eq.) for a thousand $$ is nothing to be particularly proud about.
I have seen complaints about DPReview covering arts, human-interest stories, etc. (not that I usually agree with them). But it’s fairly surreal to complain about dpreview.com covering a new lens.
If you’re looking for “actual news to consider”, you want nytimes.com rather than dpreview.com. This is for new lenses.
Unhappymeal: a hypothetical lens is no impediment to hypothetical photography. I can conjure up any number of hypothetical 16–50 mm full-frame lenses. $500 for you in the mount of your choice.
I think it's absurd that people are calling this a pedestrian lens. 16-50 equivalent focal length, collapsible, manual focus clutch, no focus breathing, IPX1 weather sealed with 1:2 magnification at the closest focusing distance and longest focal length. Yep, completely pedestrian and not unique at all.
@falconeyes, I see you finally came to your senses and removed the part about these articles "making me waste my time" reading them, lol. Guess what? Posts complaining about articles being a wasting time is the real waste of time.
As long as I've visited the site, roughly a decade, DPR has always had separate articles for announcements, hands-on, first impressions and sample galleries. The new addition is DPR TV.
I think you misunderstood, @rawdinal. "16-50" is already the 'translated' focal length into 35mm format, the lens has a real focal length range of 8-25mm.
Since nobody seems willing to spell it out, 411 grams is 14.5 ounces which, in the tradition of telling you what you already know, is almost a pound. That's a lot for m43 where some of the best lenses are just 3 or 4 ounces (which you also know.) On the other hand, the 8-18 Panasonic is also 14 ounces so if the 8-25 is as good as the 8-18, it looks like a nice option for $1000.
No, the PL8-18 is 11 ounces, 14+ is far from ordinary for the more premium or fastest M4/3 zooms tho, specially Oly's. The 7-14 Pro is nearly 19 ounces and the much lauded 12-100 Pro is close to 20oz. Oly has never made the system's lightest zooms outside of a few exceptions like the 9-18 and the more recent 12-45 Pro.
Sorry, but no. I am not readng a spec sheet. I have my Pansonic 8-18 sitting on a postal scale, and with the hood, caps and a UV filter, it weighs 14 ounces. For those unfamiiar with ounces, that's 397 grams. And since DPR can go to the effort of calculate percentage of a metric ton, it would be nice if the manufacturers could make the effort to specify both grams and ounces.
That's not how the specs are measured tho, you're comparing the weight of the PL8-18 with caps, hood, filters (why?) against the weight of the Oly with none of that... I'm surprised the difference would amount to 100g but AFAIK given specs are always for the naked lens, I owned the PL8-18 too FWIW.
I'd be very surprised if the PL8-18 has gone mis-spec'd for so long but w/e...
@Impulses Yes, given weight is almost always without front/rear caps, without hoods and without tripod collars. (I'm not sure if it is standardized, but I haven't seen anything other than that yet.)
“Sorry, but no. … I have my Pansonic 8-18 sitting on a postal scale, and with the hood, caps and a UV filter, it weighs 14 ounces.”
@abrasive: at the risk of stating the obvious, if you’re trying to compare the weight of the 8-18 to the weight of this new 8-25, then you need to remove the hood, the caps, and the filter, then put it back on the scale.
What that article (from Oct 2020) says is basically that OMDS likely won't be using the Olympus brand name indefinitely, but only "for the foreseeable future". As we saw with today's camera release, though, they haven't dropped the brand name yet, which means that it's not "dead".
The company got divested from the parent company. Happens all the time. JIP has not only retained the brand name, but also the factories, R&D unit, engineers, sales staff etc. Olympus's biggest problem was a bloated management, and it looks like the company will now be more efficient.
Better not tell all the Porsche lovers who spent $500,000+ on their dream car! Cars which, by the way, work perfectly, can be serviced, and are a joy to use - just like the "dead" Olympus cameras. :)
They slapped the Porsche name on their own car. Pretty simple. I could buy the rights to Lord of the Rings and write a book named LOTR 2. It will still be a book and people will pay for it.
It is amazing to me that buying a name works with such naive customers.
If you think I'm naive, want to compare your photographs with mine? You talk a big game - let's see what you're made of. I'm happy to show the capabilities of my gear of choice. Are you?
It isn't unique to camera manufacturers. Video game developers are bought out all the time. Take a look at Bioware for what happens when a company sells out. They can literally buy a company, sack all of them, and still use the name...and sadly enough, it works!
How would comparing photography be relevant? Lets say that I take pictures of only brick walls and you make it to national geographic...it would still not change this fact. Olynpus sold their company to a bankruptcy specialist, and they are releasing what is left of the pipeline. Olympus is gone and some randoms will be using the name.
Your example of Bioware shows what generally happens when a company is bought out by a competitor. If Olympus were bought out by Sony, I'd be certain that they are doomed. With JIP, what will happen next is anyone's guess. There's a new firmware update coming for the E-M1X this month, a 100mm macro later this year, and rumors indicate that an E-M1X Mark ii may be released in summer 2022. JIP has milked some brands (like Vaio) but they have also turned around other companies. So who knows.
What is known is this: Olympus offers unique features that appeal to wildlife and travel photographers. They can't keep up with demand for the 150-400. Panasonic will continue releasing new m43 cameras. JIP knows all this and I doubt that they will simply sell off the company's assets. Why else would they have retained the R&D team? In any case the latest cameras will remain relevant for at least the next 3-4 years.
It is funny because the other conversation I am having is about how every camera company in the past year including sony, nikon, fuji, etc is using that line about super demand and no supply. It is just marketing scarcity corporate speak. Literally everyone has been parroting it. Purposely create low supply, more than 5 people buy and all of a sudden they all tall about how craaaaazy demand is. No. That is not a thing.
After the olympus pipeline is emptied, it will simply be another company having bought a name.
Larian is releasing Baldur's Gate 3 just to capitalize on the name. None of them developed the original. What made it special were the creators, not the name. What made star trek TNG and DS9 special were Ron Moore and the other great writers. Not the name star trek. But most people just don't get it. They only have the capacity to follow a name as if the name itself creates the quality.
"But most people just don't get it". Well, since you're so much smarter than the rest of us, I'll have you know that Olympus's R&D team is very much in place and working as before under new management. I'm sure a business prodigy like you can figure the rest out.
This is looking fantastic. Amazing range for city trips, light and compact, great build quality, top-notch weather-sealing. This is probably going to be my next lens. That, or go ultra-light with the Olympus 9-18.
It's not that compact for a MFT lens. Exact same size as a Nikon 24-70 full frame lens that has IS and bigger than the Panasonic 20-60 full frame. But I'm sure it's very good as all the other Oly F4 zooms.
Not sure why you would expect it to be smaller, the PL8-18 is around the same size (tho 100g lighter) and Pana usually goes for somewhat smaller zoom designs than Oly does.
It's about what I expected for an Oly Pro zoom with a longer range tbh, right down to the price. I thought it might even be bigger tbh but making it an extending design and gaining the extra magnification at the long end seems like an ok compromise.
The 9-18 gets knocked a lot for not being as sharp wide open as the more premium UWAs but it's got a pretty unique form factor and it's quite usable if you're fine w/f5.6 and the funky / unnecessary lock button.
I actually missed mine when I upgraded to the PL-18 because sometimes I did want an UWA option in my smallest waist pack, scratched that itch with the Laowa 7.5/2... I'm now shooting FF for UWA but M4/3 is pretty spoiled for UWA choices tbh, despite the extra challenges that go into making them for smaller formats.
Alas the Olympus 9-18 is a stinker. It's light as a feather and priced right, but it's the kind of lens even unbiased reviewers have a hard time raving about. However, both the Panasonic 7-14 and 8-18 are excellent and work just fine on Olympus bodies. I'm actually sorry I got rid of the 7-14 because it's truly tiny.
Of course, everything's relative. To some people, a m43 lens with a 72mm filter is incredibly compact.
The Pana 7-14 has a reputation for producing unappealing purple blobs/flares on Oly bodies due to the different levels of UV filtering in the Oly & Pana sensor stacks. Some people modified theirs with a rear gel filter...
The 7-14/4 is also only 100g lighter and 6mm shorter than this 8-25, so if you think the latter is chunky due to the large filter thread then the 7-14/4 that couldn't use filters at all was just about as chunky...
TBH 72mm would bug me since I'd standardized on 67mm when I was shooting only M4/3, that was due largely to the PL8-18, those 67mm filters came in pretty handy on E mount tho where a lot of the larger primes and the smaller zooms share the same size. Oly has often used larger filter sizes.
Not sure why people are comparing this with ultra-wide lenses with completely different focal ranges. The selling point of this lens is that it goes up to 50 in 135 terms.
Something something cropping yes. That is not the same as getting it right in camera.
Auf. But you can crop a little and get far superior results to the 20mp equivalent, so it’s totally valid. You also don’t buy a 16-50mm equivalent lens to hang around the 50mm end much.
First of all, I doubt that. Second, I don't like to crop. Getting a picture right in camera is a completely different process to doing it in post. It becomes less connected with thr emoment, more artificial. Plus, photography is a hobby for me. I do it to get away from my screens. If I have to crop half my pictures in post, that defeats the purpose.
I also shoot MFT. Deliberately, because of it many merits. So it doesn't make sense for me to compare this lens to some theoretical output of a completely different system.
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The Olympus 8-25mm F4 Pro is a portable, well-built zoom lens for everyday shooting on Micro Four Thirds bodies. See if it made the cut in this latest episode of DPReview TV.
The new Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 8-25mm F4 Pro offers Micro Four Thirds shooters a really useful 16-50mm equivalent focal range. Compact and weather-sealed, it's especially well-suited for landscape and nature photography.
We take a hands-on look at the new Olympus 8-25mm F4 Pro lens to see what it has to offer. Find out why it will appeal to both photographers and videographers who use the Micro Four Thirds system.
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