It's time for Jordan to buy a new phone, so he compares the cameras on the iPhone X, iPhone XR, and the Google Pixel 3a with the help of fellow photographer and filmmaker Tyler Stalman. Is the Google phone good enough to draw Jordan out of Apple's walled garden? Tune in to find out.
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Hey, just wanted to send a shout out to Jordan and the team for putting this video together. I used this video as a starting point in my search and ended making the same purchase in the end.
How to sell American product by eliminating competition (Huawei). But lets conclude, Google Pixel 3 hands down "kills" Apple Iphone(s) in every aspect. Sadly, that Apple Logo is a "must" for "video shooters" that will "increase" value of their footage among filming subjects, that expects nothing else than that logo...world we are living.
I will never understand why people are so willing to play the miserable game of diminishing returns when buying a phone. Buy something like a Motorola G7, or similar (£200). It does everything a phone needs to do very well, has a microSD slot for cheap storage expansion, and a real headphone socket. When you have an urgent need to record your dinner plate, your drunk mates, or any other crap that phone cameras are suited for, it'll take very good pictures. You can then use the £550 you saved (compared with an XR) and put it towards a real lens for your camera.
Listen, gramps. You need to come to terms with the new reality. The new, high-end phone cameras are really great. Think back to the film era. Did you only have a big SLR and tons of lenses, or did you maybe have a little P&S hanging around for weekend trips, hikes, etc.? If you think about it, you probably treasure some of the shots from that camera just as much as those you took with your proper gear. Phone cameras are the new snapshot cameras. For somebody who doesn't want or need a big bad full frame camera, getting the best quality P&S phone camera is a great option. Plus, the phone fits in your pocket and does a million other things at the same time. So what "crap" is a phone camera suited for? Absolutely everything, my friend. There's nothing wrong with it--just like there's nothing wrong with you sticking with the cheapo phones and prioritizing your lens collection.
your idea for a P&S around your neck is really great ....err oh wait you want us to carry a really great iphone instead
the point and shoot of the enthusiast was proper gear , before lesser capable by an order of magnitude ,phones replaced them for so many users
you guys should be helping cameras get attention , the cell phone wave over devices available\ social interaction\convenience\ omnipresence needs no help.. just sayin
the big camera \small camera \cellphone triad is fine for most people [ who still believe in and buy and use small cameras ] and just now no phones "cameras" replaces a decent point and shoot for creative control \iso \ aperture \ lens speed range \ sensor \ ergonomics
the phone is still at the bottom of the barrel no matter how decent its output in good light and undemanding conditions pretending its a defacto point and shoot when its a pale shadow of one helps nothing
a cellphones perfect image connectedness is it only sterling virtue
cheapo phones ? im beginning to better understand your choice of apple
back when people actually used and bought good enthusiast level small cameras , no one would have tolerated the aperture situation the iso 25 base iso and awful higher iso noise or NR smearing , the lack of creative controls the lack of sd slots , the lack of a decent and fast actual optical doom
all those things would have gotten a new point and shoot laughed out of the running , but in this history reset of consumer expectations in image quality cllphones are the new normal and we should ooh and ahh as they give a decent picture ,.. finally it takes a short while for the new consumers to never even realize what their missing or how iq quality \iso] have reset back to olden days
as for cheapo phones??? i use a 230 dollar huawei mate se with 572 gb a screen that seems indestructible[ i phone screens of everyone i see on the train is cracked] sd support , respect for inclusion of industry standard audio port.. great screen better battery ,.. sturdily built and better built that any flimsy iiphone,
i know the iphone os is marginally better than android but not by much
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think a decent, current P&S start at $1000--a couple hundred more than an iPhone XR. I'm not saying an iPhone is a better camera than an RX100--just that it's a cheaper and more practical device that will likely see much more use. Since you're reminiscing about the good ol' days of P&S cameras, you should compare shots from the latest smart phones to some of those older dedicated point & shoots (not counting 1" and larger sensors, of course). I have, and while there might be a bit more detail in low-light shots, the smart phone computational results more pleasing and accurate without adjustment. I agree that there has been a reset in expectations, but I think it's less acceptance of lower quality and more that we expect more functionality out of one device. If I had to choose, I would buy one device I will use every day in many ways over one that will sit on the shelf until I'm ready to shoot. Thankfully, I don't have to choose.
a decent 1 inch from sony if you sony mind an older but currently manufactured model is 449 panasonic currently offers the lx10 with twice 1 inch sensor size 497
canon has many models like g9xmarkII for 429 panny has the Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS100 at 497 usd
if you looks options abound beside a newest rx sony at 1100 usd which is overpriced imo
If we're going to compare the older models, we can talk about the iPhone 7. $450 new (or much less refurb or used) gets you awesome photographic functionality, f1.8, 4K video, time lapse, slow mo, Live Photo, RAW, weather-proofing and more plus phone, audio player, gaming and mini-computer functionality.
Again, not better at photography, but really good at photography and a lot of other stuff--an all around more practical purchase for most people. And probably more capable in its "advanced age" than most of the "budget" smartphones available now. Nothing wrong with that!
when he exasperatedly claimed he used apple for 10 years , i knew the outcome too , its much the same for many in the appleverse someday jordan youll want to listen to a piece of music or watch a video, and your bluetooth uncharged or one lost ,you may wish to grap a pair of 10 dollar panasonic buds in the airport lounge for your iphone , and youll be out of luck
or wish when the phone fills up in 6 months you could pop in and out 512 gb sd cards to offload video or stills without the pain of extended wireless sessions
the things apple takes away are convenience and options and for that you have the privilege of paying double
Once I switched off apple's restrictive software and hardware, I never looked back. I am Apple free for a past 8 years...Only thing I like with apple is Slo-Mo option that works the best there. But anything else works better on my Samsung Note 4.
I bought a XR and really loved it except, when I got it home, it would not pull in weak signals, and we are in the fringes. My old 6 plus can still pull in weak signals. Other than that, for the price, and all around use, the XR is great. The face recognition just works. I saved my face and my wife's, either of us could unlock it with just a glance, first time, every time. One minor drawback to the XR is the large notch cut out of the screen. Sadly, I returned it and I still miss it.
I can use Android or IOS, or switch back and forth but finding a equivalent Android phone for the same price has eluded me. I will not use a phone wit fingerprint reader on the rear, no feeling in my fingers to locate it, I have to look.
It is not the telephone it is your LTE network. Main reason I pay 70$ non LTE subscription, than 40$ LTE with a weak signal and everything unlimited. Quality over variable/unstable quantity.
An utter disappointment. Smartphones are not devices for content creation or communication, they are made for spying user's behaviour and distraction. A real photographer interested in audio calls that are actually good, real music player, and the best picture, should use some older Nokia phone, dedicated Sony digital Walkman, and a real camera. If he is a videographer, then substitute photo camera with a video camera. If Vivian Maier could wear her double lens 1kg Rolleiflex around her neck, a modern dude pro can have LX100 or GH5 in his bag at all times.
And what advantage has balanced output to single ended, let alone ‘superior’ audio components? As you should know, audio output is measured in common language by decibels. And you have to surpass roughly 107-110dB along most important metrics to even ding an iPhone. And doing that you’d have to listen to music perfectly recorded and mastered to make any use of that.
Smartphones can plug into high quality outboard components like the Spectra X which totally destroys most DAPs across most important metrics and doesn’t require another device. You can play the same files on your phone that you can your DAP.
I say all that but admit that I use minidisc. It’s an aesthetic decision for me. Audio quality is no longer divisible along smartphone and DAP lines.
What do you mean 'Try, and you will know'? Do you assume after all of that that I've not tried? Gosh, man, that is a bit base.
In case you want to know, I write ohm-image.net, headfonics.com, headfonia.com, and head-fi. I test the outputs of various devices from balanced to single ended, both desktop and portable, understand the way the ear works with respect to volume, and how hi-resolution is and isn't recorded, and more. Heck, I've even reviewed the 10.000$ TELOS HD DAC from Goldmund and a bunch from Antelope as well as professional gear from Lynx and more.
You are assuming ignorance which is a bad thing to do- and for what reason? To bolster your opinion it is not necessary to belittle the opponent.
I'll add the following links, which show just a few of the devices I've reviewed, photographed, or measured/tried, balanced and unbalanced over the last four to five years. I have a whole lot more that I've not published anything about.
the digital walkman is superbly crafted has outstanding sound possesses an industry standard headphone jack , and most importantly does not spy on you and respects you privacy
Early Sony Walkmans installed malware onto your computer. That’s was a huge fiasco in the early 2000s. But that is a good point and the main reason I still use minidisc for music.
Not for content creation? Have you been paying attention the past decade? Countless people make obscene amounts of money creating content on mobile devices. And others make incredible artwork with the same.
All these arguments against phones are dumb coming from camera enthusiasts. We all know that every camera is a compromise of features, portability, image quality etc--same as a phone. The best camera/audio gear/phone/computer etc. is the one you have with you. My phone is always in my pocket.
And if you're having trouble with spyware on your phone, you're installing the wrong apps and/or using the wrong phone.
I can't speak much about the sound hardware in any given phone, but any smartphone will work fine without a telecom bill and can have updates stopped. Open source Android OSes are available for a variety of phones that will better respect your privacy than the one supplied by the carrier or manufacturer.
What happened to the iPhone 9? All these new names and models do confuse me and keep me using what I all ready have. In any case I do not get why these video guys are fusing over phones instead of real cameras. Are they not the best tools for the job?
I one one of the few people alive in the US that never sent a text message. I also loath social media - the closest I get to social internet is this website since photography is one of my great loves 😃
i keep the connection on my phone down to just occasional wi fi to load things like vlc media player , or some games , then its turned off , i never ever access the internet on my phone and am constantly disabling google services as fast as google can surreptitiously re turn them on
social media is a cancer and i dont allow it on my phone either
I changed the default browser on my MBP, iPad, and iphone 8 to Duckduckgo, instead of google. At night I switch my phone to airplane mode. I have called social media, ‘the work of the devil’ 😈
They really dropped the ball. No selfie test! The Pixel does a great job with selfies and has that super wide selfie mode. With the portrait mode, one can adjust the amount of blur to one's liking. I guess that is part of processing which they didn't cover either.
I agree that the Pixels do a much better job with selfies than anyone else at the moment - but the Pixel 3a being considered here doesn't feature the wide angle selfie camera.
I didn't know that. I got my Pixel a short while before the 3a was released. Maybe they should have looked at the 3 instead of the 3a. I got mine for $500 so still a good value compared to the iPhones. They also didn't mention the small size of the Pixel which is a main reason I got it. After using big phones for so long, it is a pleasure to just slip it into my pocket or keep it comfortably in my hand.
I must say that the last thing I care about is the selfie mode. I hardly ever take selfies. I have owned the Samsung S10 for about 4 months now and I think I have taken two selfies just to try it out.
I don't shoot much video but I didn't complain about their inclusion of a video review segment. There are actually at least a handful of people who do shoot selfies.
But now the issue is, for me, laziness. I'm retiring at the end of the year, and will have to (horrors) start paying my own way. I'll just get the Xr. Not interested in learning a new system.
I would go with the iPhone, too, because I went to San Leandro once, and I met this weird San Leandroid girl there named Cosmic Charlene, and then I dunno, but I woke up alone in a lime green Coleman dome tent behind an old, abandoned drive-in movie theater in Oregon. Not judging, or anything like that. So, like, yeah, definitely. It would be the iPhone for me, too. Thanks.
Cosmic Charlene is a total babe, but always, always, mix your own drinks when you're with her. As for Jordan, you should give him a little more credit. They did a pretty thorough evaluation, and they both seemed to agree that the Pixel had a little more detail at the cost of some convenience and ease of use. I'm guessing that Jordan would have picked it if the only measure of the phone was image quality. But, as we all know, phones are much more than cameras. The OS (and your like/dislike of it) is more important than a little bit more IQ.
Kidding aside, was there enough there to warrant a switch to the alternate universe? Not that I could see. Besides, what one has this year, the other will have next year. Chasing features is a waste of time.
That was NOT a fair comparison. The XR is not 2x better than the 3A ($800 phone vs $400 phone). The fact that the 3A competes at this level and beats the iPhone X is amazing and deserves recognition.
Who's buying a phone solely based on camera specs? Maybe between Android phones, but with Android and IOS you are choosing between ecosystems, Jordan is a wise man.
Some people have 2 or even more cellphones at the same time. (I know a few with 3) for business reasons. Having an Android and an IOS just to swap chips "oh I decided this day to use the Android!" makes no sense.
I rather enjoy this, especially Jordan's honesty. iPhone XS is ludicrously expensive. I hope Apple gets the message (which is by no means unique to Jordan; many long-term Apple users have been criticising its pricing strategy).
Do people even buy Android phones anymore ? Haven’t seen one in the wild for a long time. Seems with Google’s terrible privacy policies, the fact they change messaging apps every few months while constantly killing off their own products and that developers are slowly moving away from them is a sign. Of course they are popular with people on budgets I get that.
My neighbour has 2 phones in use, neither are a smartphone, he goes on the web with his computer when he needs to. He says the phones keep charge for weeks if he does not talk alot. So if you dont see android phones i dont know what sort of posh place you live in, and this is in Finland where we already got 5G network
Only selecting a select few mid-range phones (US brands) to compare.. would be like skipping every Japanese camera when selecting a Video/DSLR/mirrorless today and only look at two Leicas and one GoPro... Is Jordan really this narrow-minded? His cred just took a nosedive in my book, will be hard to take any view he has on gear seriously from him now :-(
Just thinking ... nowhere in that list of abilities did they mention 5G ...... If the Galaxy S10 5G had been chosen then when Jordan mentioned a " phone for the next 4 to 5 years" he would have been almost future proof. I asked about images from the Fuji 100 when tested and the reply was the delay in uploading such big files.... I understand this perfectly , we all have these issues on the run .... but 5G might have been the solution. After all is mobile communications not the first function of these devices ?
Like S7 etc., your security updates are far in between. And security updates are minor....not the same as the annual updates where you get security updates in the framework of Android.
And Android OEMs have been proven in past that some of these “security updates” contain basically nothing....they just send it out for publicity stunt.
I am amazed that they narrowed the pick to 3 phones that have quite mediocre HW (grnted the pixel may have good AI post processing of images). OnePlus, Huawei, Samsung, Xiaomi, Oppo, Sony.. all have better optics sensor and price/performance.
Apple products can be excellent, but I don’t like being controlled by them, and I especially dislike iTunes. I know how they (Apple) work, and many people seem to be oblivious to it. I prefer to continue with the democracy of android and windows. I don’t have shares in Apple, obviously! As for a phone and camera, the P30 Pro and pricepoint is the obvious choice, and strangely omitted in this article...afraid of something?
If you are liberal, then you probably don't mind........but that shows that Google is far from being a democracy.
Google is working on projects for China to repress its civilians...Project Dragonfly. Google spies on you in everything that you do or email.
Actually, Android is now a very much walled garden. They are becoming more and more restrictive with every software update. Apple, surprisingly, is going the other way.
P30P is good........but their future is very much uncertain with the TRUMP ban. Trump may lift the ban but that puts its future in the crosshair anytime a trade war happens.
In addition, Huawei video capability is pure trash.....which was one of Jordan's main criteria.
But the difference is still huge.. Android still is open sourced and let you download and install Apps not only from Googles own store, but from any source.
Apple is one of the worst and most evil companies in the IT industry. and for most part they do much more harm than good these days.
Isn't the Pixel 3 closer in price to the XR (700ish?)
I thought they would address their choices in the intro (a no longer current apple model, a $700ish apple and a $400ish Pixel) but unless I miss it they just go in to reviewing their motley mis-matched crew.
I mentioned in the intro that the XS was out of my price range. These are literally the cameras I was comparing before contacting Tyler, so it seems like a rational comparison for at least one person.
I get that the XS is out of your price range. But look at the prices:
Pixel 3: $799 Pixel 3a: $399 iphone XR $749
You can see that the XR and Pixel 3 are closest is price? Comparing XR to 3a is an apples and oranges versus apples to apples comparison.... not very useful to most folk. For myself I'd be way more interested in a Pixel 3 versus iPhone XR comparison and I wonder why you are not curious as to how they compare as it sounds like you are leaning towards the XR?
If that's your choice due to local pricing or incentives, fine. But don't pretend your selection makes sense to anyone else.
Would have been more useful if Jordan said what he actually used his phone camera for, and how the differences among each phone's output would effect his particular applications. He did say he shoots macros with his phone, but I think that was all he said about his actual usage.
Jordan is an iOS user, understandable to see two iPhones in the mix, but wonder why not a Samsung for example had been chosen as a candidate. Only stuck to Google and Apple. And if one keeps a phone for four or five years, I guess an iPhone could be affordable. Have my iPhone 7, still going strong, battery still going down to 1% without failing. Hopefully the rumoured smaller iPhone to come in 2020 will be a reality cuz I can’t handle large phones. And hopefully it’ll also come with a great camera. Small doesn’t have to mean lower end!
It's bad to your battery going for 1%, please do it less. I'm also waiting for new small iPhone, but rumors pointing them to be larger than SE makes me sad
@eidrag I don’t usually let the battery drain down. Merely saying that it’s still in such good shape to go down to 1% and not shut off. Thanks for the tip. Asking for an SE sized phone these days is too much I guess. To me if it comes out the size of an iPhone 7/8, it’s just fine.
Jordan, I know it's already far too late but someone had to register dis here: LG. Anyone who cares about video have to give LG a try. The G8 is good enough in therms of hardware and quality, and in terms of software/camera interface for photo and video is unbeatable. It should be the phone of choice for anyone interested on using a phone to produce videos. It's really sad that you will miss all the good things that you could enjoy there.
There was no recommendation - just presented his choice. Also the phone is only 2 times more expensive :)
But joke aside, it's about the phone and software not only about the camera. He basically said - the cameras are pretty close, so i prefer to stay within the ecosystem i know for the price difference and other features (for instance the pixel 3a is not weather sealed).
OK, so move to a Pixel 3 which is weather sealed, behaves a lot like an iPhone (gestures etc.) and does some things better, like drag and drop video files from the device to any computer without ridiculous software (iTunes).
Again... his choice, he is used to apple system, and doesn't want to move from their software ecosystem.
I am an Android user, and at some point in time i bought an iPad because it was the best screen available and one of the few 4x3 screen ratio, which i find perfect in a tablet. I couldn't get used to the iOS to this date - so the device ended up mainly as web-browser - but worked flawlessly for some long years. It is very unlikely for me to make another attempt at any iOS thing any time soon, but that me understand why "apple people" are so reluctant at changing systems: because i am too :)
I have three phones - iPhone Xs Max from employer, Lenovo Z6 Pro (boasting 48mp sensor) received as a gift and Samsung S10+ (just sold). All these photos can take very good photos and videos. The difference in real world is pretty small.
Chris, Jordan just spent $1000 to buy an Apple to shoot video on ......... you can get a GH5 body for that and shoot 422 4K ! I think you need to shout at him a whole lot more.
These days, I don't really know that Google isn't such a walled garden in itself. If you disable all their 'features' aka spyware to push you ads for their content, then your phone pretty much won't work.
It's called an ecosystem. Even the simplest example: Google photos would be near useless if you didn't allow Google to search, identify, and catalog your photos. I means that's the whole point.
They were talking so rapidly that it sounded like gibberish to my 82 year old ears. Same way with my children. I will stick with Apple because the phones and my iPads work together very well. I love the camera on my 8+. Whether I upgrade my phone depends entirely on camera updates, like a wider zoom range and/or addition of filters. Nice to have a Polaroid filter.
Plenty of useless garbage and overpriced fashion that sell for high prices on Ebay (and realreal).. But I guess it's telling if theebay pricing s your "measurment" of quality.. LOL
I'd call it an indication of demand. That said you can still get a pretty penny with a used iOS device. That should be part of the equation - total cost. That'S not something the Motos I used in the past excelled at. I basically got to give em away.
The Pixel 3a is impressive, but the result of the test confirmed my bias towards the XR.... Partly that's a nerd thing - Apple has rather a large lead on processors. Not that I'm buying a new phone anytime soon - my Huawei P20 (personal) and iPhone 7 (thing I stick the corporate SIM in) are fine for now. As to the iPhone XS? I think that's an excess!
Yes your iPhone is pretty. But can it fly out of your pocket when you're jumping a curb at 20mph and full on hit the pavement and skitter to a stop.. and not be broken when you pick it up? I think not.
+1 Kyocera DuraForce. And yes-I literally did this, and after rescuing my phone from being hit by a car in the middle of the road.. it still works perfectly. Also note: The phone wasn't in a case of any kind-just the phone hit the road.
Not sure about that particular torture test but I believe there is an iPhone on record that jumped (fell) out of an airplane and worked fine. And no the airplane was not on the ground. :)
What I really hate about Apple: They downgraded the HDR On feature of the iPhone X with iOS 12. It looks much(!) less natural than with iOS 11. Just awful. In iOS 12 the HDR On mode of the iPhone X often makes blown out highlights look grey, this wasn't the case with the iPhone X with iOS 11.
its just eyelid shadows from jordans puppydog eyes , i hadda go look from youre comment it was then that i noticed the phone screen with the question at the top at the beginning of the video........
"how do I shoot a you tube video???"[ yes 3 ? lol]
good comedy is nuanced ... i caught that 2 time around lol.... very funny stuff
well heres my takeaway ....... jordan and chris create these videos , im pretty sure they are doing either a brief storyboard , of making notes on shot sequence probably incorporating anything spontaneously funny or amusingly serendipitous [ chris knocking cameras off a log into a stream]
so here on the latest video we have chris and jordan opposite each other and as chris starts to lecture jordan on the "evils" of apple you hear chrises soapbox rant fade to backround as jordan calls someone to actually help him with the choice [ that was funny too
now from the beginning of the video 00:00 to about the 00:02 second mark we see a phone screen [ jordans phone] hes typing a question into presumably a search engine ...
"how do i shoot a youtube show ???
the joke i take away from it is hes making a vid and doing research on how to make a vid in the vid....its almost theatre of the absurd stuff
haha .... i currently use a huawei mate se .... with 400 or 512 gb sd cards i keep a few tiny sd cards taped to the back of the lecture music etc phones with films
so no shredded chinese for em
im surprised you dont see that sight gag as funny , i though you guys had a sebnse of humor
ive got tons of alan partridge [ steeve coogan] league of gentlemen monty python films , in the loop, jeeves and wooster, spaced , peep show etc etc etc on the phone and computers .... american comedy does not interest me
I missed why the iPhone XS was not in the comparison. Was it because of price? That phone gives Jordan the dual lenses and the OLED screen with the newest photo/video processing.
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Sigma has announced a compact full-frame L-mount mirrorless camera. The 'fp' features a 24.6MP BSI-CMOS sensor with a traditional Bayer color filter. We understand that that an L-mount Foveon-based camera is also in development.
At its launch event in Japan, Sigma published an updated roadmap for its L-mount lenses. According to the presentation by CEO Kazuto Yamaki, 14 lenses will be available by the end of 2020.
Sigma has announced its ultra-fast 35mm F1.2 prime lens for Sony E and Panasonic/Leica L-mount bodies. The lens features aspherical and 'SLD' elements, an 11-blade aperture and a sturdy weather-sealed enclosure.
Sigma has announced the 14-24mm F2.8 Art for L-mount and Sony E-mount, coming in August. It features a rear filter holder and like its Art-series peers, offers splash and dustproof construction.
Sigma's 45mm F2.8 DG DN | Contemporary is a lightweight standard prime lens for full-frame Sony, Panasonic and Leica mirrorless cameras. Despite weighing just 215 grams (7.5 ounces), the lens is made mostly of metal and is water and dust resistant.
Sigma has announced that its trio of F1.4 DC DN prime lenses for APS-C and Micro Four Thirds will soon be available in Canon EF-M mount. The lenses include the 16mm F1.4, 30mm F1.4 and 56mm F1.4.
Researchers with the University of Zurich and ETH Zurich have shared a paper showing the development of a novel recurrent neural network that can reconstruct ultra-high-speed videos from data captured by event cameras.
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