In this episode of DPRTV, we get our hands on Fujifilm's GFX 50R which hides a medium-format sensor in a new, more compact body. Watch to get Chris and Jordan's first impressions on image quality, video and more.
I heard a comment in the video when the guy was complained about the relatively slow flash sync. Good greif, does this guy really think this sort of camera needs any such thing? Plus, the bad video performance. Who cares? The same is true of every digital camera, and you can call the video function an added bonus for personal things, not that it's ever going to be used for making professonal videos. Suffice it to say that this camera is like getting a Rolls Royce for thee price of a Nissan Maxima. Let's all remember that this is a professsional camera, and not just the latest greatest digital toy for the average photographer. In many ways, this camera is seriously better than a few Hassselbald cameras which cost 5 times as much money.
Huh? U make absolutely no sense dude. Why can’t someone compare these 2 different formats????? I have a bunch of DSLRs and thinking to try a larger format. Maybe U should refrain from making comments which make no sense.....doesn’t make u more knowledgeable. Dooohhhh!
Hmm, I like you guys but, honestly, this is the first review when I can’t remember anything positive that was said about the camera. I am sure there was something, but all I hear is - “old sensor”, “old sensor”, “old sensor”. I think you should be more balanced in your analysis and fit it to the main audience. Even someone like me with zero knowledge about MF would understand by default that this is not a consumer camera, not a sports camera, not a travel camera, not a video camera. So there is no need to spend 80% of review on something that the camera can’t do simply by its purpose. I wanted to learn more about specific applications where camera like this would shine, but the review was useless for that. I feel sorry for Fuji sending this camera to you.
Will be nice when this is in writing. I really, really, really want Fujifilm to produce at least a one normal lens with shutter for this system for use with flash. A basic trio would be even better.
A nice camera to get your "feet wet" with medium format. It's size and price are good. The Sony sensor ie becoming a little long in the tooth. But two things. The sensor is still a sensor that can deliver fine image, auto focus was never medium format long suit and Fuji price are famous for coming down a few months after introduction. Lens are already down in price and offers of combinations of cameras and lens are regular. How can 50MP be bad and the sensors have to nice and large for low light. Auto focus is not a long suit with medium format....in the day of film medium format was also not a camera for action work.
I have and still use 3 medium format fuji film cameras. Splendid tools and awesome for travel. I think this camera would be great to bring on travel. I do not do sports photography, and not that interested in video either. It looks like a great solution for contemplative photography. I love the tonal subtlety of skin rendering on even a "small" MF sensor like this, to my eyes better than FF.
Hello Jack. I still use my MF cameras occasionally, because they force me to slow down. A rolleiflex 3.5, an all manual fuji 645, an AF fuji 645, a big fuji 69 (whose aperture blades are pentagonal and sadly make for busy bokeh otherwise it is awesome). Also have a lomo Belair 612 with glass lens upgrade which can yield good pictures but it is quite a hassle. In 35mm I occasionally use a Nikon F3. Oh and on holiday I sometimes bring a Horizon panoramic camera. These days I use my fuji xt2 more often esp because I have toddler twin children for which I really need AF. Still it is fun to slow down with film medium format when possible. Camera I use most often? My iphone because it is always with me. Often good enough for souvenir photo albums.
Studios, advertising agencies, the fashion industry photography, high-end landscape photography, and the likes, who are making big $$ are the targets for this camera and its high-resolution "old" sensor. It's not targeted at the Sony A9, 20 f/s shooter. It's not targeted at the average consumer or enthusiast. Too much whining. Too many negative comments. Thank you Fujifilm for a great, reasonable priced, MF camera, even with an "old" sensor. @Chris: Maybe you should stick to reviewing consumer cameras. Just a suggestion. You may not realize it, but you very much made a very negative video about this great MF camera (at least that is how I see it as a viewer of the video). Is there a medium format shooter in the house?
I hear what your saying. I just dont see what is so great about it other than the price point. If its aimed at pro photographers making big bucks then the GFX 50S or the future 100MP GFX are going to be the ones. This is a slightly lighter and otherwise cost cutting GFX 50S. At its price point its absolutely aimed at the more consumer crowd and in that regard I stick by my claim that a FF mirrorless is better bang for the buck. Now as a fun tool which provides creative limitations I think it does have a place. But it is still essentially a camera that when used within its limited capabilities shines, but outside of that is non competitive. I feel that the biggest news is really the capture one support, and no doubt when the 100MP comes out it will be a beast. I appreciate where everyone is coming from but I still have to disagree and I dont feel like I'm missing the point, I just dont feel that point is very sharp so to speak.
the other is its an excellent medium format camera that provides 50 mp at that price point
also .. is its an excellent medium format camera that provides 50 mp at that price point furthermore ... is its an excellent medium format camera that provides 50 mp at that price point
and lastly its a motherloving rangefinder body style medium format camera with machined fuji dials and build
im pretty sure you are not getting the significance of this magical little cinder block chris and the little bit of slowing down to the user is a good thing
if people need a machine gun they can get a sony or a canon like everyone else and mound a 4 1\2 pound 1500 dollar f1.4 nifty fifty with 15 elements in 11 groups the size of a quaker oats box
I have extensively compared images from the 50MP Sony sensor (Hassy, Fuji and Pentax) and do find them better than the high res FF cameras from Sony, Canon and Nikon, and I do find the mediums formats outshining the FF's.
Too bad the new Leica 68MP is probably going to be prohibitively expensive.
I may just go for this camera, as I don't need speed, but resolution, good IQ and DR.
No doubt, it is as if we are in 2001 and every other week a camera is being introduced with vastly superior sensors to the old camera. I remember purchasing a Canon 30D, then 60D, then D20, D40, D7, and then finally I went full sensor. I never regretted purchasing any of these because the improvements with each of them of HUGE. Now I am shooting with the same FUJI X-T1 that I purchased 4 years ago, and I am still happy with the results.
I guess I can't blame you if you come from a background of smaller cameras. I used to shoot with a Fuji gx690 and compared to that the 50r is pretty compact!
Oh I don't doubt that, but the question really does raise itself where the idea of a compact "Medium Format" makes sense given the performance of high-end FF bodies with *manageable* fast-aperture lenses.
As lenses tend to have circular cross sections, why doesn’t someone produce a mirrorless camera with a square sensor & have (customisable) electronic guide lines for different format types (35mm 3:2, 6x4.5,6x7, 6x9, 6x17, 10x8, A4 1.414:1, 1080p 16:9, imax 1.43:1, cinema 2.35:1, golden ratio 1.618:1, widescreen 1.6667:1, 4K 1.9:1, computer monitors 21:9) that the user could choose between, or of course shoot ‘full frame, 1:1 aspect ratio. The guidelines should be further customisable so user can choose to ‘Black out’ the region not used by the selected aspect ratio, or just have a guide line so they can still monitor what is just out of shot. User should also still be able to select to see centre lines &/or rule of 2/3 or golden ratio lines etc for the selected aspect ratio.
Advantages of a square format would be: there would be no reason to flip camera through 90 degrees for ‘landscape’ or ‘portrait’ aspects you don’t need a vertical grip with duplicated controls the articulated LCD only needs to tilt in one axis not two (or fully articulated). A square sensor would also capture more of the image circle projected by the lens (even if the user subsequently crops away a chunk)
While a square can get more of the image circle in square format, it generally gets fewer useful pixels and a narrower angle of view than a rectangular sensor using the same diagonal if most of your photos are ultimately rectangular. I love the square format for certain finished work, but was usually cropping a lot out of the Hasselblad frame. And that 56 x 56 frame was 3.6 times as large as 24 x 36. The quality was very different. This one is only 1.67 times as large. Full frame to this is not as much difference as going from APS-C to full frame.
Because there are few MF cameras, sensor production will be costly compared to FF and APS formats. Cost could be an eternal issue with MF. In addition, sensor upgrade maybe slower due to lower demand.
I have big hands and no shortage of upper body strength to wield such a cool looking camera.. although it's a moot point because I lack the funds, I can seriously see myself enjoying this burly big brother of the Xpro series greatly.
Same mistake so many people make, and will still make once the reviews start coming in. 35mm and Medium Format are different species, no matter how close they may be in price. You either want a high performance sports car, or a bigger, slower touring car. Nobody who wants Medium Format is going to run and gun with it.
That’s just the side effect of prices falling down, as they start getting closer to DSLR’s prices ppl are gonna begin defending their investments without really understanding the difference, if you are a landscape/ portrait shooter this is all you really need along a tripod, weatherproof, as usual per Fuji great easy to read dials and the same “old” sensor that not that long ago it was “theoretically” defeated by combination of the Nikon D850, Canon 5D Mark IV & Sony A7R3 sensors?
Not so sure about this review. It is very heavy on the obvious criticisms of this camera : it is big, slow and expensive with (thus far) a pretty limited set of lenses. It is hopeless for video etc. But it really does not speak enough to the strengths of the camera and that sensor. Sure, it is a couple of year old now, but the reviewer clearly has thrown his hat in the FF ring, and is not interested in MF. There are many reviews that emphasise the subtle but definite advantages of using a sensor of this size over FF, improved dynamic range, high ISO performance, change in DOF etc. If the reviewer is not really interested in MF as a format (which clearly he is not) they why bother having him review the camera at all ? I for one am very interested in MF and here we have the least expensive MF camera and the only one in a range finder format currently available. Very likely I will buy it, despite this review.
"There are many reviews that emphasise the subtle but definite advantages of using a sensor of this size over FF, improved dynamic range, high ISO performance, change in DOF etc."
Yet most of these advantages, in this particular Fuji, are not advantegous when you add consiredably slower lenses into equation, compared to FF lenses.
Great Vit, then dont buy it if you feel that way. It is worth however reading some of the user reviews by professional photographers who have used and owned the camera. They do seem to feel there is a distinct advantage, but if you dont 'buy it' then dont buy it
Sorry but are we talking about the same camera? It is not in shops yet. The sensor is already out there so if you are refering to that then ok. And I guess one can appreciate, as you rightly point out, the subtle difference. And subbtle is the crucial word. I am not the target group for this cam. I am just hobbyist with around £40k+ salary so I am quite happy with what I have at the moment and I can appreciate not so subtle difference between my systems.
I see it as a good entry level Medium format for people who would like to give that a try. I also see it as a good medium format travel camera for landscapes and architecture. Compromises with an entry level price (for MF) and many people might find a 45-50 mp FF sensor to be nearly as good. Spent most of my 12. years professional career shooting with Medium Format film. As a Navy photographer our primary camera was the 6X7 Koni-Rapid Omegas. Compared to the old film Medium format cameras, this new Fuji looks like a dream of a Field camera.
Probably won't buy it. As a casual travel/historical architecture/landscape photographer these days, I'm keeping my eye on the Development of the Panasonic S1R which would provide a better size and weight solution for a old photographer with bad knees. Still though, I think it might be a good entry level for anyone wanting to get into Medium format digital.
Funny. Fuji fans fight so hard to explain how a rangefinder style camera like the E-series does not need a tilting screen or a bayer sensor and now the high end version has both to demonstrate how it is done correctly.
fuji fans aren't nearly as uniform as I think that you think they are but meh there are irrational brand defenders everywhere. maybe fujibois are worse than others? i love fuji i am an obnoxious little fart
Really ? I have an X Pro2 and couldn't care less about a tilting screen on that camera. This camera however is probably more suitable for waist level shooting, which is about the only reason I would ever want a tilting screen.
I think that Fuji is aiming Hassies... So we need a Hassy user to tell us what he thinks of it... To my opinion it is an excellent tool for every purpose someone would buy to work with it...
More processing power, heat dissipation, battery requirements, the list goes on. The GFX 100 will have IBIS as Fuji stated last night that they recognise that at that level of resolution, it is mandatory to stabilise the body. That would add weight as well I am sure the GFX 100 will be heavier than the 50. Makes perfect sense
Still makes no sense man. One example - Sony A7 mk1 to Sony A7R III. The manufacturing proceses got more efficient and smaller. One can argue that you need most processing power and most efficient heat dispation for high bitrate and framerate 4k video which is not target for these MF cameras. And given that 100Mpix will be used mostly for still life and landscapes, where tripod will be needed, the IBIS will be obsolete or could actually cause more troubles than good if it has no well implemented first electronic curtain. So no, technically you definetly need no larger body for same sensor size with higher pixel count. This is not high framerate camera. Also, IBIS does not stabilise the body, that's what you use tripod for, IBIS stabilises the sensor and you would want that off on tripod anyhow.
Thanks so much Vit for pointing out the entirely obvious about the IBIS stabilising the sensor. Would have thought what I was saying was pretty obvious, the stab is IN the body not the lens. But thanks for the lesson anyway ....
It looks to be an excellent camera but......the maximum flash synch speed is 1/125 ? Did I hear it right? Will you be able to do high speed synch flash with this cam?
You can use their own HSS system with their flashes as well as support for many of the more popular strobe systems out there. There are compromises to power output but it's very manageable.
Wow... what a negative first look. I have seen many great shots coming from this "old" sensor that I wouldn't mind having one of this in my camera bag.
Dont get me wrong, I stated that the image quality is excellent. It's an awesome studio or travel landscape camera. I just feel that FF cameras will be way more versatile with very equivalent low light performance and dynamic range, and for the majority of users a very minor difference in the way an image is rendered.
What a great learning for camera companies this preview is: if you want it to be positive, let Chris take the camera out into the street to go shooting, he loves that! Don’t restrain him to the house. Ever. Again.
I'd love for them not to. They have the strongest "cult" following of any brand, and now that Nikon has finally forsaken its F mount, Pentax is the only hold-out for their mount, if they decide to go the native route for a MILC FF camera. Not sure what they'll do, but I doubt they can afford to start over from scratch with a whole new lens mount. They should look into just making a mirrorless K-1 that is as slimmed down as possible, if at all possible.
That, and a mirrorless 645Z could go over very well, if again they can keep it decently affordable.
I really hope Pentax is around long enough to make use of the new 100MP sensor which has just been announced as coming to Fuji...
There’s nothing stopping anyone from slowing down and simplifying with an A7riii or 5DSR either. If those full frame bodies are capable of producing image quality that’s as good or better than the 50R at a lower price tag, and also offer a considerably more robust set of features and lens options, it should be noted.
Like the review.Dont see a problem with it being an older sensor as the sensor technology of a couple of years ago is good anyway.Not what you would buy if you wanted what the top line of full frame cameras are needed for what you do.
This seems to be a like-able camera. I did not find this video to be a negative or do-not-buy recommendation, just a realistic view of the camera’s limitations. The camera, alone, will not tempt me to sample Fuji, but one of the present or future lenses, available for this mount, or readily adaptable to this mount, may well provide sufficient temptation. Perhaps the task of “travel landscape,” as mentioned in this video, might suit this camera quite well. Support for Capture One is another factor in this camera’s favor, for me. I think this camera will earn a tentative place on my DPR Wish List.
Larger sensors will always gather light better than smaller sensors, and thus IQ (at least party, because it is also dependent on the optics that have been used) should be better for larger sensors.
I love looking at full res files from the Pentax 645z, the gradient/nuances of colors look very smooth (ideal for skin tones). Full frame is great too, but the files do not look as detailed and you lose in smoothness as the sensor gets smaller.
I personally prefer the FF format for usability, but for optimal IQ, nothing beats the Medium format (Phase One)
"should be better" and substantially better are very different things.
Bottom line is that this camera is not much better than the best FF cameras when it comes to IQ.
When you factor in all the advantages that top-tier FF cameras have this camera becomes a tough sell.
The next MF sensor might change all that but for the moment this is a niche product for the handful of pros that truly need any advantage it might convey.
Yes- the difference in sensor area for aps to FF is roughly 250% - the difference from FF to this is - I believe - .around 170% - not as great a leap. The phase 1 uses a larger sensor than both of these, and is priced in the sh*t ton range. I'm sure it is very nice.
Diminishing returns apply perfectly with sensor sizes. Yes, FF might be more than twice the APS area but is not even close to a 250% upgrade in image quality. I think full frame is the sweet spot for IQ and price.
@ZeBebito - Not sure how you'd do that math, but a FF is well worth the price. Certainly aps can deliver good results, and if the camera/lens is small, it has its place. But with the advent of the 5d and subsequent easy availability of full frame, it seems an unnecessary sacrifice.
Looks like medium format is going through the same price adjustment scenario. Certainly something like the mega Phase one sensors must be something to behold. The smaller medium formats may not be worth the leap, especially if you need a lot of lenses for your work.
Got to say though, this massive price drop is interesting to watch. at some point, something's going to grab my wallet. We'll see where it all goes.
I'm trying hard to see when this will fit. Apparently some really strange choices. Ports on the base? That's odd. 'Old' tech, repackaged. It's good to see someone speak their opinion on a camera too. It'll be loved I'm sure but that's a lot of money now when you see what's been rolling out in the mirrorless marketplace these last weeks.
Well, if you want “new tech” the price will be much higher. Look at GFX100. That “old tech” is still holding it’s ground compared to more recent similarly priced cameras.
Not haveing room for your pinky on a MF camera with big lenses. And putting major ports at the bottom of the camera. Don't see the great user interface here.
It's always a treat to see these videos that are an exceptionally enjoyable way of finding out about the latest equipment. Although I feel I will stay with the smaller camera format, but for studio purposes I am sure the camera will find its audience despite drowning in the more exciting technology being launched while this camera is a smaller refinement of its predecessor .
@Pablopepeta Err...I guess you haven't seen him before. He's been around for many many years (8) and he has always been the same. Has always told what he likes and dislikes about any product no matter how 'popular' or 'favoured' it is in the industry. Integrity has never, and so far it seems, been a question.
I don't think the review is that negative and for the market for this camera I don't think it will make much difference.
I do think that reviewers always want the next new thing...they react to the shiny new object.
This takes an amazing sensor that is not new, and uses a body design that really is not new, and so from a reviewer stand point there's not much to talk about.
I don't blame reviewers; that's the nature of their job.
But one could envision a review that notes this: medium format for under $5000, cool rangefinder style, great Fuji controls and colors...a blending of Fuji strengths to bring MF to a level to compete against higher end FF. Buy into the system and you have the lenses for next year's 100 MP release, which will be groundbreaking and really make the reviewers happy .
@jacketpotato I've always felt that Jordan and Chris have a strong appreciation of the concepts of "value for money" and "the right tool for the job", which goes right back to their TCS days. If Chris seems negative here, it seems to me that it's because he recognizes that the less expensive fullframe gear that's come on the market in the past few years can deliver results that are nearly as good, and certainly good enough for most people's use cases.
It is what it is...an affordable MF camera, with the very usable Fuji controls.
For those wanting to get into MF but a a comparatively lower price, and with a relatively portable body, this will work well. I do applaud Fuji for trying something different.
I'm sure for those who use it this camera will produce stellar images.
Exactly. This camera fits right into the Fuji lineup which has been missing a rangefinder medium format, and the lower price (vs the GFX 50S) will be appreciated. I expect it will sell among people who balked at the price of the 50S but still want that sensor and the G lenses. ...and some will have wandered off because of all the new cameras out since the 50S.
D850 with really sharp lenses like 105 1.4 - is a biggest problem of this kind of cameras. But people, who have money and who shoot many large resolution photo for large prints can pay 1000-1500 dollars for not big advantage, if detalization is a really what they need. If you prefer 3*4 photo or 1:1, the difference can be really noticable. 6192*6192 compare to Nikon d850 5504*5504 - is a real noticable difference. Even if you sharp lens on Nikon can bring to naught difference in pixel size. Its 8 mp diference, or 22%. Its same like difference between d850 and d810. So not so useless if you don't need camera with top AF and 7 frame per second 😊
Kudos to Fujifilm, for creating a really nice specialty camera that some people will love, even if I would never buy one. They seem to have outdone Hasselblad in many ways.
But Chris really nailed it in his summary. A wonderful camera, but there are better options available at a much lower cost. At least for most of us.
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