The EOS RP is Canon's second full frame mirrorless camera, built around the new RF mount, and comes with an aggressive launch price of $1300. While there are some inevitable compromises to be made at this cost, Chris and Jordan discovered that there's a lot to like about this pint-sized full-framer.
Can't wait until canon produces a ~$4,000.00 body to match up with all the fantastic RF lenses they're producing. I don't see much reason for getting into the system until then. I sure hope their high end body is competitive with other manufacturers flagship bodies when it hits the market...
A friend has just bought an RP and I've had the opportunity to handle it and take a few photos. For what it's worth, my impressions were that it's very solidly made and fits the hands extremely well despite its small size. It felt well balanced with a 24-105mm zoom or with a 100mm macro, but despite having an excellent grip it didn't provide enough leverage when used with my 100-400mm.
Metering was extremely accurate. Autofocus (with adapted EF lenses) was quite fast and precise, especially when used in wide-area mode. When the AF point was set to the smallest size focus became less reliable, with some hesitation. Image quality (occ JPEG) was extremely good, almost on par with a 5DMkiv in terms of sharpness and freedom from high ISO noise.
Not a camera for "serious" photogarphers, but absolutely perfect for novices stepping up from a compact or an APS camera. I'd be very happy using one as a travel camera, or as a backup to a hi-end body.
Despite the critical wrap-up in this video, I seriously consider to add an "RP" to my existing EF system, because it is such a small and light FF camera. With some compact EF lenses like the 50mm f/1.4 (or even the still quite compact EF f/1.2) attached it should look less intrusive for street shooting. Btw it is nice to see that Canon moves with the RP into a gap that Sony opened up by making their FF ML cameras beefier with every new generation.
From a Canon user's perspective, Canon's first in-camera focus bracketing is also a nice feature for macro photography. So I can imagine that some will take the plunge. I am also pretty optimistic that Canon will offer less fast, more compact lenses for the RF mount in future. Currently they have to show off, to signal that they are really committed to the new RF mount.
Why so many complaints about inexpensive glass. All manufacturers nowadays make expensive and fast glass because the low end market is hardly declining because of smartphones. So they try to make as much money with pro’s and geeks ego but expensive glass. And it works!
Your comment would be 100% right whne Canon came with a high end camera and these lenses, but they come with mediocre low end cameras, but their lenses are all (very) high end. (except for the 35mm, and 24-105 that is mid range in price). They announced a "cheap" FF camera, but forgot to come with at least one "cheap"kit lens, and it isn't even on the planning for the coming year! So people wanting to buy a cheap camera, with a cheap native zoom, are in the same price group as the A7III camera with the kit zoom and the A7III is a lot more camera, and you can buy some more cheap lenses for it...
@Digitalharry @gfrensen: Canon seems to follow a logical path, since it's the glass what enthusiasts and pros keep, whereas digital system cameras are fast life-cycled close-to-disposable products nowadays. It is quite stupid to invest several thousands of bucks in a camera that is completely outdated within two years. Back in the days of chemical photography a huge investment in a high-quality camera made more sense, because could expect to keep it for many years.
I wouldn't wonder if in developed countries some future laws will force the camera industry to use compostible materials for digital camera bodies ;]
gfrensen - Yes I agree, I think Canon rushed the R and the RP onto the market, fearing losing more sales to Sony, and they need to quickly produce a couple of affordable kit lenses in RF mount. This should be easy, as basically all they'd have to do would be to extend the barrel of existing designs.
@entoman: sorry for the late reply, but I stopped to check DPR frequently. According to Canonrumors it now looks like Canon comes up with more affordable, smaller lenses. That's the logical step, since the RP is the most affordable and - I think even more important - most compact and lightest FF ML camera. This is an attractive feature of the RP system, since Sony tends to supersize their cameras to a typical DSLR format.
I still don't get that Dpreview is always downplaying or almost ignoring the fact the camera comes with an EF adapter in most cases. And then keeps on talking about "these expensive RF lenses" and "not many budget options" blah blah blah. While almost all adapted EF lens behave like native on an EOS R, some even perform better than on EF cameras. Plus adapted lenses might even be shorter than the mirrorless option, see EF 50mm 1.2 vs RF 50mm 1.2 https://bit.ly/2H1qsHI
well, yes, but as they say in the review... it's an interesting and problematic option. For new users (people who don't have EF lenses, it's strange to buy a new camera with an adapter and an adapted lens - no matter how good it is. They will simply look elsewhere.
I think that if they released a kit lens with this - something like ... i don't know, a 28-135/F3.5-5.6 500$ lens, sold at 250-300$ in kit option, all that "look at our new cool small and cheap camera" would have been much more successful.
Which is what they do. There's actually a kit that inludes the EF 24-105 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM and adapter. Of course they could and probably will just go the Sigma way and bring some new lenses which are basically just the same EF lens with built-in adapter (so just a longer lens).
:) my point exactly - they don't offer a cool enough package in the entry level segment. If they were to redesign that exact lens, maybe achieving a smaller size (saving the adapter size would do) and adapting it to the R aesthetic style ... would have been an attractive choice. This sounds (for me, that is), like "here is a new camera that we don't have a lens yet for it, but you can get this old one because it works great too and we didn't bother updating it, but you shouldn't care" ...
Just to make it clear, I am not saying you are not right, i do agree with you from a functional point of view. If i am buying a tool, i want the best tool for my needs.
But it is the "new and cool" factor that they miss here. If i am investing over 1000-2000$ in a new toy, i want the whole toy to be as cool as possible :)
I'll agree with other comments that Canon should have released at least 2 more inexpensive lenses with a camera like this. A small/light 24-70 or 24-105 variable aperture type kit lens and a 70-300. Typical Costco bundle twin lens setup. As things stand now, I think the 35mm 1.8 is the only sub $900 lens in the lineup until at least 2020. Not a fan of the adapter + 24-105STM bundle. I think it would have been nicer if they offered it bundled with the adapter + RF 35mm 1.8 for maybe $1600. Kind of how they originally bundled the 22mm with the original EOS M.
I agree that a kit with the RF 35 would be nice; I believe I may have read that such a kit is offered in Japan.
Also agree that ideally Canon would have lower cost RF lenses available.
But many customers buying this RP will already own Canon EF glass.
And I've noted this before, but why is the assumption that everyone buying this camera will not want to invest in the really good glass? A smart consumer puts more money into lenses than the body. As someone else noted, good glass lasts a lifetime but a camera body maybe is used for a few years.
I know a few people doing just that: buying the RP to start accumulating the wonderful RF glass, and then planning on upgrading the body in the future. It's a smart move.
Everyone tends to narrowly define the buyer for the RP, but in reality there are many types of customers this unit will serve.
Maybe things have changed, but there was a survey I read several years back that stated most consumers that bought ILCs generally stuck to kit lenses and never really bought more lenses. If this kind of entry-level consumer is what Canon is targeting, not giving them some cheap native glass options seems like a shortcoming.
BUT, my hunch is (and I agree with you) that a lot of people buying this may already own EF glass. Canon might be targeting Canon DSLR owners who may want something smaller for walkaround or just fun shooting and may have been otherwise tempted to get a cheap A7 or A7ii and adapt Canon glass.
Overall, I think this a good product. It's an inexpensive entry point into Canon FF for new consumers, and a way to keep existing ecosystem users who may be tempted to other brands when trying mirrorless for the first time.
Yes, that survey was referring to a pre-smartphone mentality, whereby people moved up from point and shoots to entry level DSLRs, and those people did in general stick with the ket lens. Now most of those buyers just stick with smartphones, never own point and shoots, and never move into any ILCs.
As you and I both note, I believe the larger market is the universe of existing Canon owners, who want to try mirrorless. So the equation changes.
I don't understand why so many people are frustrated by camera brands. It seems to me that this is a war of specifications fueled by ridiculous people. But photography is above all ART !
He was the one who mentioned it in the vid. Plus, both cameras are about the same price now. Canon needs to up their game instead of pushing out the same, inferior sensors..
@cpharm86 D750 was $2000 new in 2014 at the time of release and still has better DR, better low light, faster burst, faster AF, than the Canon RiP. Oh, D750 also shoots 24p with no crop.
I will grant you that the D750 is a crackin' camera, but this assumes that the consumer is not invested in any system yet.
I would contend in a shrinking camera market that most consumers already have a brand preference, and that means the largest market is the universe of current Canon owners.
So if someone has a Canon DSLR and wants to dip their toe in the mirrorless waters, then this RP may just fit the bill. And it really doesn't matter what the D750 offers to those consumers.
Also, as good as the D750 is, it can't take the RF glass. And let's face it the RF glass is shaping up to something really special. That new RF 70-200 f2.8 alone makes it worth investing in the system.
You would think when I click the "wrap up" hyperlink, it'd take me to a section of text, but instead it just skips to the end of the video. I know this is DPR "TV", but would it be asking too much to have a summary written up? I prefer reading over watching a YT video.
Another fantastic review by Chris and Jordan! Wow that extra noise on the low ISO is looking pretty bad... the old a7ii handled it way better.
Guess if Canon had at least one or two “low cost” lenses this camera would make sense. As it is it’s I guess it’s a good entry point into MILC for people that already own a bunch of Canon glass and will just adapt it?
Apparently the RP has a silent shutter but only as a scene mode! Wow Canon, way to purposely cripple a camera. Hopefully Nikon does it right with their own low cost Z.
Nikon is headed in the right direction with milc, with usable entry level bodies and reasonable lens choices.
canon released halo glass for use on the lowest level of entry-level milc bodies, which makes no sense at all, and with the rumors of a 1dxmkiii, their r&d/engineering departments are divided between dslr vs. milc duties.
canon also failed to make ef-m compatible with eos-r, so there isn't any path to ff for canon crop milc owners... how many mistakes can a camera company make, and still survive a shrinking ilc market.
Yet Canon continues to lead the market by far, and will only pull away more with the RP. So Canon must know something that the critics don't.
Here's a few rebuttals for you: Many Canon DSLR owners with EF glass will buy this to get into the mirrorless game.
Also why assume that people want to spend more on camera than lenses? Smart money puts. it on the lenses. Nothing wrong with buying RP and great RF glass. The glass will last and you can upgrade when Canon comes out with higher level R series equipment.
ef-m is rather small and cheap, while the R system is not. The upgrade path you are looking for is selling your $500 ef-m system and investing into a $5000 R system. Both systems fit different needs. If your needs change so that you want to invest ten times as much into a camera system, you have to change the system.
Perfect FF camera for the masses. The jpegs from this camera will look better than from most cameras from other manufacturers. That is all most people want.
Yes, the masses look at JPEGs. They don't look at RAW files. I owned an A7RIII for 6 months and these JPEGs blow the OOC pics from that Sony away. And looking threw the DPR A7III gallery, it is not as good either (plus all those weird lines, yuck). I am sure it would be easy to cherry pick a couple situations where the Sony might look better (I bet sad Sony fan boys are doing that right now, LOL!!!), overall the Canons look better.
I'd much rather have a good APS-C camera with a good selection of glass than a so-so full frame with the need for expensive glass.
Kind of beats the purpose of an entry level offering like this if you have to spend thousands on quality glass to make the camera make use of the full frame sensor. If you don't have good glass you're much better off with a smaller sensor, better camera and a cheaper price.
Mingleby saying a camera is boring is a totally valid remark for a comment box. People buy the XT3 because it's not boring, pity its disappointed me in every other way. I think M Canon cameras are very boring although that hadn't stopped me picking up three of them. I sold all my canon full frame for GFX because I was bored of it all. So yes, if a cameras boring I want to know about it.
The consumer cry shows that the manufacturers are probably going to be able to keep their declining businesses going for a little longer, selling gear to people who will upgrade when they probably do not need to.
There are plenty of people with gear insecurity who think that spending a few thousand more on an upgrade will somehow improve their work.
Sometimes it does. Usually it does not.
And then so many people end up viewing on an iPad - a device which renders having full frame cameras relatively worthless.
People will agonise over upgrading the Eos 80D to a EOS RP for the family holiday in Disney. Shooting in good light and blue skies, they'll view on an iPad and tell themselves it was worth the upgrade, even when in reality it will make NO difference.
People are free to spend their money however they want. But the Full Frame siren cry is a waste of time and effort for many of the people who will buy these cameras.
If you shoot people that move, like just about every consumer does, having the best equipment (camera with great AF, fast lenses, the best ISO performance, etc.) will absolutely improve your photography. IME People that claim the gear does not matter are usually the ones who can't afford the best gear. I know this from experience, not theory.
You cant see the difference between a FF and a crop sensor on a ipad ? Also curious why you like to tell everyone what cameras you have any chance you get?
In ideal conditions and with good lenses the differences between sensor sizes are hard to spot even on large prints or large 4k screens. The difference of the bokeh is visible even on a smartphone screen. The major quality difference comes in nonideal conditions, at higher ISOs. This is where fullframe delivers better than any APSC or m43.
I don't get the morbid fascination with the "every camera has to do everything and do it super well" paradigm. In this case, an entry-level camera is criticized for not having high end features... Who was your logic teacher, people at DPR, Donald Trump..?
Is there another camera with a 24x36 mm sensor at that price point? No..? Then the RP is entry level in that category. APS-C is a totally different animal, lets compare apples-to-apples.
The Sony is an older model and it was released with a higher list price than the Canon. The usual mistake of comparing discounted old models with new models that haven't come down in price yet. If the price of new models should be set to compete with older models, then every new generation will have to be cheaper and cheaper until they practically give them away for free. It doesn't work like that.
"The usual mistake of comparing discounted old models with new models that haven't come down in price yet."
that is the usual mistake of not comprehending what was said, even when it's clearly quoted in the post.
why do i have to point out that he never qualified his question with the disclaimer that it had to be a new model of camera.
and in fact he stated that the canon was an entry-level camera, which it is, so it's directly comparable to older models of cameras, that may or may not have been entry level cameras.
when canon sells crippled gear like eos-r, that is just a re-hash of older cameras that it's already released, it hurts an ilc marketplace that is already suffering from dropping sales... people who support and defend that sort of thing are contributing to the downfall of ilc.
Badbatz wasn't ready for the Sony regime of MILC man Sony Sharpshooter. at this point you could day Sony photographers have mediocre talent because they spend all their time on the DPR comment section instead of out practicing.
"... there's a lot to like about this pint-sized full-framer." That sugarcoating is unnecessary. At the end of the day Canon addicts will buy anything, which has the favorite logo on it; the rest will never touch it even with a 10 foot monopod. Don't bother.
The level of dislike, bordering on hatred, against a rival company introducing a product that someone may actually find useful is hard to understand. Perhaps it is insecurity. In 2008/9, whatever forums I went to for advise were very brand agnostic, advising me to buy what I felt most comfortable with. It seemed to be good advice and still is. These days it seems like people are only comfortable with their purchases if they put down other products or brands.
Interesting that you somehow has to be an addict to choose a Canon product. Is it so hard to understand and accept that not all people prefer the same products that you do, that you have to rationalize it as being the result of addiction and ignorance?
I think it's more than enough if your shooting correctly exposed images. My old camera with its apsc sensor shoots beautiful images and even handels pushing or pulling pretty well.
Correctly used this camera will give its owner very high quality images. Nothing to worry about here.
Especially if you don’t even need to buy it... since our current cameras still shoot beautiful images and probably even handle pushing or pulling pretty well.
Not so sure. For example, that new 50/1.2 RF has 4 stops of vignetting @f/1.2, or a t/5.6 in the corners. If you (auto-)correct that vignetting, even a ‚correctly exposed image‘ will suffer from the sensor’s bad DR.
Having it's specs in mind. I don't see it as a bad option, specially in a year or so, when the price drops. I've read in a bunch of places it has the same weather sealing as a 6d or 80d. I don't really know if it's true. 4fps with tracking as canon said isn't bad at all, I don't know anyone that shoots bursts all day as an amateur. Battery life wise, it's very very low, but on my Rebel I usually shoot with the screen turned off and no image review. Doing the same on this camera would probably make that battery life a lot better, but nowhere near 1000images. If the a7.3 or z6 had the same price point I wouldn't even look at it. Lens wise I would look only at the actual 24-105l f4 and the 35 1.8 is stm macro. And would only use my 50 1.8 with the ef adapter. An RF 28 2.8 is coming and could probably be a nice lens for this camera. Maybe it's a pancake lens. I would probably avoid using the adapter.
At out recent photoclub meet (40+ photographers - most Canon) the RP was all the buzz. Most see it as a cheap way to get into mirrorless and/or replace a 6d or 5dii backup camera; at the same time getting some nifty features like focus stacking and eye focus AND have access to those amazing new RF lenses at some stage.
So I think I got the marketing strategy now: Design some WOW lenses that make photographers take note, then provide an entry which is not top of the performance pile, but is no slouch either and in the right hands will make those new RF lenses shine... and it is VERY low cost.
Everything you just said in your post is exactly what I love about photography clubs and amateur photography too.
Especially the part about using the WOW lenses!!! on bodies that don’t even cost half of what thise lenses costs! Such a geneus way to dip a toe into mirrorless without wasting money on all those features that people who know how to take “real pictures” in “real life” somehow aren’t held back by! Just don’t let the trolls that aren’t smart enough to use Canon convince us that “dynamic range” (a fake word Sony fanboys made up and doesn’t exist in real life). Some people just need to waist there money on fancy cameras with a bunch of doodads and doohickeys to make themselves feel better, and then they make people who appreciate a REAL CAMERA like the RP feel bad just because it doesn’t cost the same or have those stupid made up words or the bells and whissles. Photography should just be about taking beautiful pictures and I know the RP will do exactly that for me!
TylerBreeden: Totally agree. I have yet to encounter a single image which was elevated from so-so to exceptional by lifting shadows an extra stop. Photography is about composition, light and impact which includes creative use of light and shade. I am looking forward to adding an RP to my camera bag; using it for real photography and not just demonstrating a sensor's shadow pushing ability by posting images of test scenes. For some people over here bragging rights on a spec sheet means way more than creativity. Bodies come and go - lenses stay around for a very long time...
@TylerBreeden- I don't see the point of adding weight and size to a camera using non native lenses. That's a good features if you already have them but it's not the same as having native lenses - as Jens pointed out.
@Raist3d: Canon very good EF 40mm f2.8 pancake + adapter set weights less than 250g. Lens costs less than 200 euro and you can get adapter free with camera purchase. Nice set for street photography with RP
Probably a Nikon Z5 and a cheap Sony coming sometime this year, both of which will have sensors that deliver the full benefits of full frame (unless Sony supplies the A7II sensor). Both, like the RP, will be able to use your EF lenses with AF (performance unknown). The Sony also offers a fairly decent selection of native lenses. The above will pull down the price of the RP and the R. Waiting a few months might be a good idea.
I don't think Sony will introduce a FF model below the A7, either. They will continue to offer the older generations of A7 and A7r as their budget options.
Personally I think they could probably stand to release something like an A7IIA, with the same hardware but a new software package and a touchscreen. The main criticism people have of the older A7-series cameras is the handling, and I think Sony has learned some things from experience that could be used to create an updated A7II at a price point similar to the EOS RP. They did something similar with the RX100V and VA, so there's precedent for the move. I think it would be a smart play by Sony personally, as the A7II has some features the RP lacks (IBIS, 5fps burst rate, more dynamic range) and has a much larger ecosystem of native lenses as well.
I should mention that the A7II currently costs $1000 new, which I think already makes it a worthwhile alternative to the EOS RP. It's not "new" though (even if it still has better tech in some ways) so an update would allow Sony to promote it more aggressively as a direct competitor to the RP.
The main criticism against the old A7 was the very slow reponse, very poor reactivity, I remember pushing and pushing that damned actuaction button to wake up the camera, very frustrating, for what concerns me the output of the sensor (ISO apart) was better than the A7III though.
Well, localy: EOS RP approximately $1700, A7 III $2600, A7 II $1550, A7 $1000, Z6 $2200... And just for the sake of curiosity: Z6 with 24-70 costs the same as A7 III body only and for the price of EOS RP body one can have for example A7 with Color Skopar 21/3.5 FE...
Very quick look into one of largest CZ photo gear shops. With some effort you can find a bit lower prices, mostly for older models. Lowest current prices A7 hair under $900, A7 II 1400, A7 III 2400. No variation in EOS RP yet, with Z6 you can somewhere get 64 GB XQD included.
2.5 FPS with continuous AF, and even at that frame rate EVF shows slideshow effect which is very disappointing. I know it is a cheap FF, but I would expect at least 3 FPS with continuous AF and lag free EVF at that frame rate. Otherwise it looks like a good camera to me.
Whens the last time you ever saw something besides a deer that you needed 3 frames per second for? Back in film days when pictures actually counted people would not even think to be shooting a deer! There’s reasons Canon did what they did and I think 1 frame per a second is more than enoughnipas long as your not an aggressive birder...
@Tyler- I agree with the price point having slow fps, but the whole "back in the day" is really really tired by now. IF we are going to use that, we should all go back to digital cameras of 10 years ago. Yet we don't.
> and I think 1 frame per a second is more than enough
Absolutely crazy. Just imagine how much happens in a soccer game in 1 second. Crazy to think it's "more than enough".
A family upgrading their rebel to a body that is twice as expensive will expect similar performance, not 1/3rd the performance (T7i shoots 6fps the M50 7.4fps).
Steps backwards such as this will make the RP a niche "2nd camera" for the canon faithful, hipsters with more cameras than smarts and pro's shooting portraits in the studio....
Canon probably planned on using it for the next 10 years when they initially designed the sensor for the 6D II. Look at the 18mp sensor used in The T2i, T3i, T5i, T6i etc.
If enough people buy the RP, they probably will. Trouble is, the rebel sensor was ahead of the game at the start of that cycle. This one was already behind when the 6D II came out.
This is a smart, if not desperate move by Canon. The RP caters to the remaining entrenched fans. Yes, it may turn some back to canon from other brands, but basically, the goal is to keep the loyal in. With a shrinking market, and inability to match up to other brands due to lack of innovation, competing on price is one of the few options left.
I think 80-90% of those who got an M camera don't really have plans to move up. It's not the sensor size. It's the cost. Even at U$1.3k, that is still steep, + w/out cheap lenses, the move is ill adviced. One can't even use M lenses on the RP. And those 80% really just want a small easy to use camera.
The trouble with the RP is, it does not prevent others from doing the same. Sony could just create an A6 line at U$1,500 with std kit lens. It would be an a6400 shooting at 8fps with AF-C & no video caveats. If any, this move probably helps pave the way for that. I don't think Sony will do that, but if they do, it's good for all.
This camera was developed before the A7III launched. It's not a reaction to anything by Canon - other than the A7rII or III. Canon's strategy appears to be essentially to leverage the strong brand penetration of 'L' lenses and offer you a fait accompli. If you want to use them you've got to buy this or the R.
Canon knows their user - a quick search of the gear lists in the Canon forum will show you that lots have L lenses. I would say on balance more Canon users have fast and ultra fast lenses than users of other brands.
Compare what they launched and announced with Nikon. Nikon's lenses make more sense from a photography perspective but give you less bragging rights.
I think to a degree 'bragging rights' is a strong aspect of the Canon identity.
Many Rebel users have plenty of EF lenses that they use with their APSC cameras. There is a list of more than 60 Canon or third party EF lenses under $500 that they can use on the RP in Adorama/B&H w/ 100% AF compatibility. Some of these lenses are very fast primes or pancake lenses with AF and IS like the excellent EF 85mm f/1.8 for $350 and the EF 40mm USM STM pancake lens for $180.
I'm sure they have a compelling reason to jump into the FF creative capabilities of the Canon RP not only because the price but also because it is a potent FF camera system that you can grow into not matched by a any other manufacturer.
The full frame opened up my creativity in ways I could have dreamt of. That “full frame look” you hear people braggin about is the real deal actually. Some people will say anything just to cling to their mini fourth irds cameras and whatnot out of jealousy because they know they don’t shoot with a Canon and so they know they can’t buy an RP without lookin like a hippocrit! And now everyones jealous as heck and trying to find one thing wrong with the RP but I haven’t heard a single thing yet that actually isn’t just the troll talk. Four okay? For filming? Like I want to be the next Steven Speelburg! I bought a camera to take photos, duh...
If it only had the LP-E6 battery and manual controls for the electronic shutter, this could be the perfect camera for me. Actually I could stand not having the manual conrtrol in silent mode but not having the LP-E6 is hard for me.
Chris suggests that this camera is for "The amateur, the beginner, somebody that wants the Full Frame look but still wants a camera that's very simple."
I'm sorry but I don't believe that person exists. There is no constituency of Rebel wannabe Full Frame shooters. People looking to move to mirrorless from the Rebel are much better served by the M50 or M5, which is half the price with a standard zoom.
The only way to understand what this camera is and who it's intended for is to think back to the FF mirrorless market when it likely hit the drawing board.
DPR has said it takes approximately 18 months to design a camera, so that would put the inception of this camera well before the launch of the A7III - which was almost exactly a year ago. It may have even been conceived before the A7rIII around six months earlier.
At around half the cost of the A7RIII it makes sense. At 75% of the cost of the A7III it makes no sense at all.
Further Proof that this camera isn't intended for Rebel shooters if you needed it is the fact that there is no kit lens.
Not only is there no kit lens, there is no kit lens mock-up amongst the mock-ups Canon showed at the launch, so one isn't coming down the pike either.
It's ridiculous to argue that Canon doesn't know what it's doing - it absolutely does. They're starting from scratch with RF mount and could make any lenses they wanted. They didn't make a 'cheapo' kit lens because this camera is targeted at exactly the same people as the A7III and Canon clearly wants them to buy the 24-105L and any other L lenses beside.
I sort of agree with much of you say but the with RP model not having weather sealing does signal they're not marketing this to pros or advanced hobbyists (sorry, I know it's a dirty word). Eta: the price point is also higher than a rebel? So this model is in new territory , more expensive than a rebel but is the build as good as the 80D? Then maybe it's more of an 80d replacement?
This is a migration in general. Back in the filmdays everyone was shooting "FF" but due to production cost, sensors had to be smaller in the beginning.
There is plenty of affordable EF lenses that you can adapt to this camera with 100% compatibility, unlike when you adapted them into a Sony A body with an expensive adapter. Many Rebel users have these EF lenses already. I don't see adapting EF lenses into the RP a problem as it wasn't for the Sony A7 adopters either.
There aren’t many “affordable choices” of available lenses? There are well over 100,000,000 EF lenses out in the world that work with the included adapter, many thousands of them available daily on eBay. To me, that is a compelling argument for starting photographers to buy this body.
Or a used 6D or 6D II that’s based on proven techmology over decades and decades. And it’d priced at hundreds less than the RP. Since when did a stupid electronic viewfinder become the “cool” thing to shoot with? You wanna Lear how to be a photographer? By a real camera then!
In conclusion, if you want to shoot video an iPhone is better. If you want full frame for it's latitude in post stick to a high end APSC and save money. If you plan on shooting action or sports just don't. However if you are planning to shoot in JPEG this is the camera for you. Does this sum it up guys?
Guys! Would you be able to publish a written summary of these video reviews. There is really no time to watch them. Trust me I am not alone in this boat. Many of my buddies - photographers also day there is no time to watch them;although, it may be interesting and useful.
I like the sound of the full dp. Hopefully it it cuts out a lot of the “hi my name is blah, blah...” and gets straight to it. To many you tubers spend too much time nervous and sniffing their armpits, and explainin things we all ready know about! There’s that fellow Max always talking about something that don’t got nothing to do with the actual features. I feel like he’s an armpit sniffer too. Just please! Do one full dp session and I can be done with! I’m busy with lots of things not just photography, plus maybe this man is raising a lotta kids too? Maybe it’s a secret to the people in the cities but kids don’t raise themselves. Ohhh no! Uuuuh nuhuh.
Another good review from DPR. What I like about DPR reviews and this 'new' review format is that the guys always try to give as balanced a review as possible. They always talk about the perceived strengths and weaknesses in as equal a measure as possible to give a rounded and balanced review. Good job boys, keep it up. A previous commentator stated that you should not get in to a routine. On the contrary, if the routine is producing 'good' results, then stick with it - it's winning formula. By the way, people often get things a little wrong and many an argument is started over the perceived strengths and weaknesses. There are no strengths and weaknesses, only characteristics. Whether you view those characteristics as a positive (strength) or a negative (weakness) is totally subjective and based on any given individual's experiences, needs and expectations. The result is that some people will be pleased with what you say in your review and some won't. That's life.
Great a vid as always guys. Question: There were parts of the video that looked a little soft and other parts that were startlingly sharp. Was this due to the different settings you were using, miss-focus on the camera's part (or your own part), or was it the conditions that the video was shot in (brighter versus darker environment)?
(Canon's) 1080p vs. 4K. As has been the norm for a decade now, Canon's "1080" (i.e. "Full HD") video is actually uprezzed 720 that looks like cat vomit. The 4K is 1:1 pixel sampling without line-skipping or binning, and looks quite good. To make matters worse, the 1080p was recorded at 60 FPS, whereas the 4K can only be recorded at 24 FPS.
According to DxOMark, the sensor in this camera offers 0.7eV less DR than the 1" sensor in the RX10 III. I knew it was a bit behind the curve, but I found that pretty surprising. My RX10 IV (same sensor) definitely struggles on bright days, when the light can be a bit harsh. It would be weird to go up to a much larger sensor but lose some DR in the process.
I've removed everything that the typical purchaser of this camera wouldn't be familiar with:
According to, the camera offers than the in the. I knew, but I found that pretty surprising. My definitely struggles on bright days, when the light can be a bit harsh. It would be weird to go up to a but in the process.
Look, if you're paying $1300 for a camera plus at least $500 more for a lens, and you don't understand terms like exposure values, sensor sizes, dynamic range, or the fact that other camera models besides this one exist, I don't know what to tell you. If your argument is that the EOS RP is most attractive to the uninformed buyer then fair enough, but I don't see how that is a point in its favor.
Paul, he's saying a sensor 1/6 the size outperforms it and will give just as good as iq in bright exposure situations. Does that help you be less purposefully obtuse?
Well, it doesn't outperform it in every way. The RP's sensor will absolutely crush any 1" sensor in low light, for sure. I don't like to go past ISO 400 on the RX10 IV, if I can help it. I've seen shots from the RP taken at ISO 12,800 that look cleaner than what my camera takes at ISO 800.
It’s not about the DR , it’s about the amazing JPEGs colours Canon cameras produce that nobody else can yet . Also, at higher ISOs 1” sensor fails short . Additionally , the handling and ergonomics of Canons is unbeatable ,especially comparing to Sony(I am a Sony shooter).
Ugh, since they're out of actual arguments, the Canon faithful now must rely on the old and tired "BUT BUT BUT MUH CANNON COLROS!!!!11!" Grow up. Even an iPhone can make better colors, there's a reason millions of people prefer them over Canon cameras. Learn to calibrate colors to taste.
Video reviews ARE IN ADDITION to the regular reviews. Chis and Jordan seem to produce their video reviews quickly so they come out first. The Full Review includes considerably more testing and therefore take longer to write. We get the best of both worlds.
Video reviews haven't the place of our in-depth written reviews. However, Chris and Jordan are frequently able to get their videos out more quickly because the written reviews require additional testing.
Good. I am glad to read that as... 1) I read fast and able to assimilate the data I want. 2) Videos contain far too much waffle, hardly ever watch them. 3) As an autistic person sound almost hurts.
"Canon is going to sell a ton of the R-Portable" yeah you sure about that? Those go go days are long over. People dropping $1000 for a dedicated camera are few. BTW didn't people say Canon was going to sell a "ton" of the EOS-R or the 6Dm2?? Last I checked 6dm2 release price dropped 30% within the first release year and the EOS R inventory is high as ever at the shops.
Besides the M50, which is (rightfully) a smash hit, Canon have struck out with *all* of their latest releases. They're getting desperate, and it shows.
If DPR makes open Canon counter-selling arguments this does not mean this camera will not sell. It will - quite well. There is not a single valid argument for not using well this camera at the amateur level. Btw, cheap lenses will come, always did, so this “hurdle” will dissapear.
As I have said before a couple of times - I will never buy the RP, or any RP-like flimsy camera. However, all the fanatical approach towards Sony will drive me even more pro-Canon, pro-Fuji, pro-Leica, pro-Nikon (with a big thumbs up), pro-Panasonic and pro-Oly. All of them are making just FANTASTIC cameras (and some of them, lenses as well), no matter the mumbo-jumbo here.
Inventory in itself says nothing about demand, you also need to know about the supply. High inventory could mean low demand, but it could also mean that the manufacturer is able to meet a high demand with a steady supply of products. Likewise, low inventory doesn't necessarily mean that demand is high, it could just as well be an indicator of a supply problem.
Everyone says that the RP doesn't add anything over the 6DII. But the reality is very few people actually own the latest cameras. Many people still shoot crop sensor cameras that are a couple of generations behind, the 6D, 5D IIIs or II, some even mk I. So I assume some of those might consider jumping to the RP for the low cost, especially if they already have a few good lenses to use on it.
Great, review, guys. Short, informative and spot on. Just it feels a little bit rushed, and it looks like you starting to get into routine. Don't get into it! Thanks and good luck.
It's an okay for an entry level FF ML - Rebel camera to marry up with excellent EF and ever growing R lenses, at later date the punter could upgrade to a more semi / pro EOS R Camera.
This was , as usual, a pretty good review with the exception of one point: pushing exposure 5 stops to compare noise levels. We can understand why would an enthusiast photographer do this in 1% of situations, but a Rebel user? I can't see them even going to photoshop and trying modifying their images, let alone pushing 5-stops. So this 5-stops comparison defeats the purpose. Furthermore, Canon ISO variance sensors mean that the user can get pretty good images by using higher ISO and as Chris said the image quality is solid at those settings.
I feel like if you're buying any kind of ILC in 2019, you are already a fairly serious photographer. 99.9% of people just use their phones—if you're buying a dedicated camera, let alone one that goes for $1300 before you even put a lens on it, it's because you want the advantages that such a camera offers, and want them badly enough to pay thousands of dollars for them. One of the biggest advantages that ILCs and especially FF ILCs offer is post-processing leeway, so if a camera like this lags behind the competition in that regard, I think it's a fair criticism.
He also said that he had to use those iso settings because there was no stabilization.
The face that the dynamic range performance is bad means this camera is competing with micro four thirds cameras in image quality, cameras with Ibis and other better features. That is the point of mentioning the dynamic range.
Any dedicated camera produced in the last five years, with the exception of some awful 1/2.3" compacts, is capable of taking nice pictures if you work within its limitations. If that's the bar you've set then congratulations, get yourself a nice used Pentax off eBay, a few good lenses to go with it, and you'll be set for life. Not sure why you're hanging out on a gear site though, if that's your philosophy.
I mean, I'm not even saying that the DR on the RP is objectively bad! My own camera only has slightly more DR than it, and I've taken some landscape shots that I'm quite proud of. It's more a matter of what other recent cameras have to offer at a similar price point. In that regard, the RP definitely lags behind the competition. Can you still produce great photos with it? Yes, of course, but that is a very low bar nowadays.
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