Canon just dropped more info about its upcoming EOS R3 mirrorless camera. In this video, Chris and Jordan of DPRTV analyze the details to see what they tell us about the R3's features and specs.
I am waiting for a camera like this as I need high amount of frames per sec and a really fast AF system for my dog photography work. Also the articulating screen is very welcome. But I think that the price will be somewhere close to 5k USD so it will be way of my budget.
I would venture to say at this point, particularly this level of camera, very few switch systems. It's too costly, not only in terms of money but in terms of having to learn a new system. In getting the shot, often times what counts more is simply knowing your equipment like its second nature and being able to operate it seamlessly.
Whenever these new models surface, the natural tendency is to compare them to the competition. That's all well and fun...nothing wrong with that...but we also need to realize that as far as the market goes, most don't switch.
There are two mythical assumptions that pervade a lot of these comparisons:
1) That a good number of users switch systems or are interested in doing so.
2) That people own only one camera, when the reality is that many camera owners at the high end use multiple cameras for different use cases. So the assumption is that users will evaluate a camera as if it needs to do and be everything to that photographer.
Or will do the opposite. When you already have a camera in the market with similar specs, but with a well know resolution and sensor performance, and when by the announcements you can see this will be a lower res camera, why wait?
For whatever reason Sony is not shipping many A1 cameras, while the R5 continues to be the #1 or 2 camera on sites like Amazon US. Wild rumors are Sony is holding back the A1 to fix the EVF blackout problem. https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64941631 It is likely due more to the chip shortage, but Canon somehow is still shipping a lot of R5 and R5 cameras.
I think the R3 is going to hurt the A1 even more. It has a nicer body, and the Canon AF was already a step ahead according to many. The A1 lacks animal and bird AF during video, and you have to manually switch between subject types to get it to work properly. Canon eye AF works during video and with 'no priority' AF an pick up humans, dogs birds and other animals eyes and heads without manual intervention. Besides that, most reviews comparing call it even or give Canon a slight advantage (Sony folks didn't like it when TN and others said Canon was better though) And everyone is expect the R3 to be at a higher level than the R5
Oh one other big problem for Sony is a large number of pros, the people Sony and Canon are targeting, already own some very expensive Canon lenses that are said to work near perfectly on the latest R cameras. With the higher voltage R3 their performance may improve even more. Why sell your favorite lenses at loss only to have to buy replacements (which often there are not) at higher prices? And with the lower price of the R3 and the R5 already taking away customers Sony is not in a good spot. They need a true pro camera body and they need a real R5 competitor. And also to maybe drop the A1 price a little.
First, we don't know the resolution. Now with Canon advertising 4K and not 8K video, that would suggest a lower resolution camera relative to the R5, less than 40MP.
But as also noted, perhaps Canon is just holding back on what it announces, not advertising 8K for fear of it just bringing up criticism in advance of the camera release.
As for this competing with the A1...well, virtually everyone I've read online who has bought the A1 was already a Sony shooter...and most of those buying the both the 1DXIII and the R5 were already Canon shooters. I don't now that a lot of brand switching happens these days. The key for all brands is to keep their existing owners happy.
Both the A1 and the already released R5 are fantastic cameras, and this R3 will be also. It's not necessarily a zero sum game. We are spoiled by an abundance of great choices.
This and other pro body styles are more than just an integrated grip. They are one solid piece of equipment, and that built in grip is far better than an add on grip to another smaller camera. It changes the whole handling of the camera and its layout. There's really no comparison.
Already some are looking at this camera and saying essentially, now that's a proper camera!
Ironically everyone I know that uses an A1 uses it for birding and small wildlife, and uses the vertical grip. They keep it on their camera the entire time and would not mind an integrated grip. They use other cameras for more casual shooting when they want a smaller setup. I'm sure there are other use cases out there but that's what I've noticed.
Very mutch stuff is delayed because of Covid and the fire in one of the Chinese chip factories. So expected no more than announcements from a whole bunch of companies. So really no surprise.
I don't see this video so much as knocking Canon for its dev announcements and hints, but just having some fun with it. They understand this is all part of marketing and keeping the customer interested.
Canon has really stepped it up. They still have the 1DX3 for those who prefer a DSLR, and it shoots 20 FPS. They have the R5 which is under $4000, shoots 45MP at 20FPS, and can even shoot RAW video internally. Soon there will be the R3 and we know the R1 is coming after that. All these cameras do and should work with the best lens system, the same lenses most prospective buyers already own. That alone makes these cameras a better value and the smarted choice.
Yes, we do. The R1 is coming. Canon has hinted at it, but right the focus is ont he upcoming R3 so we won't hear much for a while.
Its a great plan by Canon, The R6 is easily the best value, the R5 does more but still has an affordable price. Next will be the R3 and then R1 for professionals. And for those who prefer an OVF, which many still do (don't want that A1 blackout problem where you can't see anything for a while), there is the 1DXIII. And all use the same lenses most pros already own.
"I think it's reasonable to assume that the R3 was originally called the R1, since the DSLR it's based on is also a 1 series camera."
I don't think that's reasonable at all and shows little awareness of how these large companies really operate with regards to product planning and development. Canon has these models in development a very long time. If this was the R1, then they'd have to start over with dev of the R1, and so that would be pushed back a long time. That just isn't practical. Not to mention that this would also necessitate new budgets, allocation of engineers and other resources, etc. It would be a major readjustment of resources for the company and so even doing that would take some time.
As one of the DPR writers commented when this funny theory was postulated, he'd be shocked if a major company like Canon changed the name of a major product due to a competitor product.
This is called the R3 as a nod to the EOS 3 which also had eye control AF.
@RubberDials: When did I say that this camera was the R1? I may have thought, like most, that the next camera would be the R1...but Canon surprised us. That can happen. They surprised us with the R5.
So now more important than reality is what people speculate on? So now my speculation is now gospel to you?
What we do know is that Canon is calling this camera the R3 and given the realities of product development, there is very little reason to believe this was meant to the be the R1. Because if so then that would mean that Canon would be starting all over on the R1 project, something they would not have planned nor budgeted for, and putting other projects at risk. Canon can't whip up an R1 overnight.
Also the fact that this has eye control AF, just like the EOS 3, would merit calling this the R3.
Canon clearly is hinting at an eventual R1 by saying this is positioned between the R5 and 1DXIII. As to the specs, wait and see.
I'll bet the R1 is still a couple of years out. They'll want to milk the new R3 for all they can, and draw as many pros to it as they can. Then, when the R1 comes out, they'll be able to reel those same people in all over again.
"I may have thought, like most, that the next camera would be the R1...but Canon surprised us."
Yes, and this is the camera you thought Canon would release - a mirrorless 1DXIII. The only difference is you thought it would be called the R1.
Of course by calling it the R3 Canon implies that they will release a higher end model, but what realistically could be the spec of such camera? Think about it. This already shoots 30fps.
Most believe an R1 will be next year. Canon released the R5/R6 last year but is hardly resting on their laurels with those models, but following it up with the R3.
Canon is going for the shock and awe strategy and quickly filling in their product lineup. They want to lock down as much mirrorless market share as possible as soon as possible. And really releasing all of these exciting models in quick succession just builds a bigger buzz for Canon overall and probably lifts sales of all of their products.
@RubberDials: so are you really basing your opinions about Canon's plans on what I thought Canon would release, and your lack of imagination in trying to think of what Canon could do in an R1? Please.
It's clear the R3 was meant exactly as is...hence the nod to the EOS 3 with eye control AF.
As to what Canon could do with the R1..well, who knows? They surprised us with the R5, which was the first camera to feature both high resolution and high speed AF....well before the A1.
@steelhead3: Canon has already caught up with Sony in mirrorless...Sony has some advantages but in other areas Canon has the advantage...such as in IBIS, animal/bird AF, just being able to use animal/bird AF in video, etc. That's before taking into account that most prefer the ergonomics and menu's of Canon.
But let's face it, at this point Canon is primarily selling to Canon shooters, Sony primarily to Sony shooters. So if the buzz is "only in the Canon fandom" as you claim, then that's sufficient.
You can't give me a single spec of the 'R1' - but you're certain it's coming? LMAO.
You write such nonsense - even taking into account you're an astroturfer - 'Canon has caught up with Sony in mirrorless' - Have you seen the DR of the 12 bit files from the R5 in ES mode? The camera has a 320 shot battery life and can't shoot at it's maximum frame-rate when the battery's half full. You have to come out of video mode and take a still photo to set a custom white balance...
Canon did the same thing with the R5 and R6. The first R5 marketing came out in January last year, followed by partial specs, and then the announcement months later.
It must of worked well because the R6 and R5 are still #1 and #2 in the mirrorless category on Amazon US, even after almost a year, and despite prices of $2500 and $3900. #3 and #4 are $650 Canons, and before only cameras under $2000 were seen in the top 5. If the CR rumor price is true, the R3 might also sell very well.
My guess is that the R3 will indeed sell very well. There are a whole lot of Canon 1D shooters waiting for a camera like this: a mirrorless camera with a true Canon 1D type pro body, with class leading AF.
I'm wondering if the new hot shoe mount will cause problems for existing third party options for Canon uses.... I know a few people (in my photo groups who have been long-time Canon shooters) that have complained about similar things -- changes that may render some of their third party gear obsolete so they have to buy new stuff.... I mean if it offers value to the photographer and adds additional features, then it may be a good thing, but for those looking to use existing gear (or third party) it may pose problems.... Just something I consider when anyone says we've changed this or that.... that is the first thing to come to mind -- compatbility.
Why are people complaining About development announcments ? Is it better to say nothing at all ? My Guess is that those that complain are not even in the market for those cameras.. i was About tro buy two r5s but now after i saw these i Will wait because my 5d3s still work . Would be bummed if i bought the r5s and two months later this came out
Well I guess development announcements are only really company sponsored advertising where they hype the features, without having to actually show how they perform. The question is whether a independent site like dpreview should really be playing that game
Of course stopping you moving to another mark is what this is all about. "Hey Canon I'm moving to Sony", Canon - "no wait, if you hang around just a bit longer you can have all this". Of course once that is out, in about 3 months time, the rumors will start again, ad infinitum.
So upgrade your kit when you need it, rather than waiting the next great thing
"The question is whether a independent site like dpreview should really be playing that game"
It's only a game if you don't understand your own needs for photography. That's literally has nothing to with Dpr or any specific Camera manufacturer. Development announcements are just more information. It's up to each person how they choose to use that information. I love these announcements. Nobody is being forced to wait and or buy now. That's never the case.
Then you dont need new cameras now. My cameras are tools to make money. I buy, then sell if I need or want a new one. The difference in $ is sometimes not that much and I think of it as rental expense.
The problem is that development announcements are often the reverse of crying wolf. Please stick around we have this wonderful product coming very soon now, here's a few enticing specs and then you wait it out only to find that there's huge caveats or the wait is long. Once you've been through this a few times the promises seem hollow and more misdirection than direction.
I know it's not the same as a sponsored post but Chris and Jordan basically get a list of positive talking points to go off on, it's nothing like an actual review where they have both the good and the bad. But that's often the reality when comparing, should I buy this camera that's out now or wait a bit longer. Then you really have to remember that this is pretty much advertisement.
I wouldn't be surprised if what manos234 writes is true; that this camera is already in the hands of some reviewers, as well as some sports pro's who already use Canon.
Gordon Laing was allowed to actually see in person an R3. It's very likely that soon after that, he was allowed to try out the camera.
Sounds like this might be Canon's version of a Sony A9... which would make a lot of sense, especially given this is a very different type of sensor for Canon. I'd expect a later version to be more competitive with the Sony A1.
Why is this in competition with the A1? The reality is that most of those buying the A1 are Sony shooters already, mostly those with A9 series models, and usually owning some of the big super tele lenses.
Those who will buy this R3 will be mostly Canon shooters, mostly already using a 1D model, or R5 model, with Canon super tele lenses.
This and any Sony camera are quite different by virtue of this having the large rugged 1D pro style body. Of course there are and will be some technical advantages for either camera vs the other. But the main differentiators for the R3 will be the pro body style and the eye control AF, if it works well.
But this competition between models is mostly an illusion sustained mostly by people owning neither.
They took their sweet time. My first DSLR was 650D/t4i. It came out 9 years ago, had flippy touch screen and I loved it already at that time. I mean it was one of the reasons I bought it after all.
Last year it was announced that Canon had licensed a technology that has to do with the manufacture (not design) of stacked sensors. Seems odd to acquire such a license, and then have Sony make the sensor. Likewise if they've turned to another sensor maker, like TPSCo or Samsung.
Well 8K produces oversampled 4K, so let's hold on. Canon is only drip feeding specs, it may well shoot 8K, but they will wait until closer to release to announce that to stop fear mongering about heat. This side body and hopefully things like a copper heat sink rather than cheap thermal pads should ensure no overheating at all. My only worry is if it's not 8K it may be another lame 20MP res sensor ala 1DX, 1DXII, 1DXIII and that would rule it out immediately for me as a bird photographer. A1 or Z9 then becomes the main focus. I hope they offer at least 36MP on the R3.
Definitely behind in sensor tech, as they have been for decades in some respects, but I’ve never seen Canon move this quickly and make up this much ground. However we know very little about the R3 and less about an R1. To say a generation behind would mean it will take until the R3II or for the R1 to take 3 or 4 years before Canon reaches a1 level.
I mean, the R5 is outstanding in every regard, I’m pretty excited that Canon still has two bodies above it on the way. I’ve never been a canon fan, but the r5 converted me. It is basically perfect.
Until the Nikon D300, Canon sensor tech was number 1. They beat Nikon’s Sony sensor cameras for a long time. Then Sony Dane out with backlit sensors, and for some reason, it took Canon years to decide to follow.
Their sensors are pretty much equal these days. Won’t be,I eve the crap some people say.
Canon has shown they can catch up fast and surpass whomever is leading. They did it with their IBIS, and their animal/bird AF.
Also we don't know that it lacks 8K for sure. As others have mentioned they may have felt so beat up with the 8K R5 situation that they didn't want to mention 8K, so as not to provoke any fear mongering about overheating.
I still expect lower resolution than what would be needed for 8K but they could be saving that as a surprise.
It's not the megapixel wars, pixel count isn't the only metric of how good a sensor is. A stop more ISO performance is more useful for capturing high speed action photos than 8k video - and if you're photographing the olympics, there are dedicated video cameras (with cooling fans!) handling the video broadcasts
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