DPReview TV: Panasonic S1R preview from Barcelona

Armandino, I don't follow your logic. Miniaturization is not an end unto itself. Sure, for an x100f-type camera, mirrorless makes the whole thing nearly-pocketable. But the XT-2 I rented is barely any more holdable than my supposedly gigantic K-1. And it's not nearly as fun to use. While I might agree with you that the tactile advantages of DSLRs rooted in an analog tradition may seem less important to younger shooters, the basics of camera real estate haven't changed. Even if manufacturers make huge strides in touchscreen menu design, they are unlikely to beat SLR design in usability for some time - because SLR-type cameras have a century head start.

I have both, and small hands. I prefer the DSLR-style body, most of the time. It can't be a coincidence that every mirrorless manufacturer is moving away from a smaller form factor towards something more traditional; having reinvented the wheel inside the camera, they must see little value in reinventing it on the outside, too.

This is a large, expensive and heavy Real-Pro camera.
Now compare this to the small, lightweight Canon EOS RP to be announced soon, or to the original Sony A7mkI.

@Adam007
Certainly everyone has different style of shootings and different needs. However "While I might agree with you that the tactile advantages of DSLRs rooted in an analog tradition may seem less important to younger shooters, the basics of camera real estate haven't changed" is deeply incorrect in my opinion. That is exactly what is in the process of changing right now, I do understand that many traditional shooters do not really see it coming. Note that it is not about trendy or younger shooters, that, granted, they are picking this fact up faster, but about expanded possibilities. For instance, when I shoot sports, a greatly reduced inertia from the bulk of the camera really improves on the ability of reacting to the action. Just an example. On a different note, I welcome your compliment to my age, although I am approaching 50 with 30 years of photographic experience :-)

I am English, born in London at have taught U.S students. I even went to college with a canadian for 3 years. I have american friends. I have had american girlfriends. I watch and completely understand dozens of U.S soaps, and even more movies, and I have no problem with Leonard Cohen or Joni Mitchell. I am patient, I listen well, but I stand by my earlier post in its entirety, and if I with my experiences have difficulties, you can be very sure many others do as well.

I'd like to see a transcription of what's being said in the video(s). With my limited data mobile plan videos are a no-go.

Blimey, that's the first time I've heard anyway say anything negative about the language in the reviews.

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If it was on the BBC as a documentary they'd have to use subtitles, or the volume of complaints would crash the servers. The problem is many online are so arrogant they dont think they have to bother, or, far worse- to go by uTube video reviews, are so in your face loud and uptight that their explanations are similarly things your brains dont retain.
Like a Human Fly! ( do you know that fantastic track? by the Crammps?

but there are so few canadians.......

But soon there will be many more New Canadians. Mostly Americans coming north, escaping their country. There is some talk about building a wall....

@captura

That was supposed to happen in 2016. Figures those people would lie about it, considering their lying candidate couldn't swindle her way into power. Then again, if they left, that really would make America great again. ;)

Naturally, I was joking. How come we can't put those smiley-face emoticons here?

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Who'd a thunk?

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Are New Canadians coming to Canada to make it great again? And if so, will they speak Great Canadian or New Canadian, and will that make life online easier?

Guess what, I have just listened to Chris' video again right through, and THIS time, I understand everything!! Weird...

It really depends on whether or not those listening understand what he is communicating. If they don't, he's saying the wrong thing. You being pedantic about it doesn't change anything.

Quadrupling pixel count doubles resolution. Linear resolution is what counts and if you want to see detail 1/2 the size you do now, (doubling resolution) you need to quadruple pixel count, there is no way around it. Provided your lenses support it.
Resolution of a lens: This should be modified to indicate that "D" would be the non-abberated diameter of the lens. In other words, if the lens is 2 inches across, the non-abberated (stopped-down) diameter might only be 1.5 inches or less. A diffraction-limited lens should be able to utilized its full diameter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_resolution

Well people don't "want to double resolution" they just are saying there are 4x as many pixels, it's a very simple thing to communicate that isn't going to kill anyone. Just cause some nerd says "actually..."

I don't think Chris reads comments :P

I think he does

@marc petzold,
Yes, It's doubling the rez. Strictly speaking your highly academic point is correct.
I would call that an 'apparent resolution' anyways.

Yeah...they say DPreview caters to old timers who remember shooting film cameras.

@steelhead3 I remember my first 4x5 on my nine Birthday and also the 120mm Graflex I have for Christmas when I was twelve.

@Yxa Fro may as well be from Canada he lives in NY same difference really.

Ha ha! It struck me also. I think the microphone was too close to him during the recording of the narrative, or he wanted to get very personnal with us.

With this new crop of FF mirrorless, that's probably the best idea.

"will it only work with lenses that were made by the three l-mount alliance companies?"

Most likely. It needs a FW library of OOF images for each and every individual lens to use DFD properly. The whole Depth from Defocus thing means it reads the image while OOF to determine which direction to move the lens in. It's more advanced than standard CDAF (like Nikon DLSR LV), but in the end, it's still CDAF.

"will it ever be comparable to ospdaf?"

No. Biggest limitation? Lens AF speed. Making lenses with huge optics isn't going to help remedy this. Even then, it's still very distracting, seeing the image pulsing all the time. This is a necessity of all CDAF-based AF systems.

Will the focus speed be a problem?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8lZgPimNjI

@BlueBomberTurbo: the DFD info will hopefully not be in a database in the body, but provided by the lens through the mount. L-mount.com says: "including the lens-to-camera transfer of digital compensation values".
@photomedium: The camera employs AI. If it was your girlfriend instead of Chris, it would be sharp for sure ;-)

it is still in preview, I didn't see any AF test or the guy riding his bike yet. Grant they test and reported the Af of other cameras way earlier in the stage then this one. Guess it is a new system and they are looking at the basic first.

"For most people these two cameras do it all hands down"

For most people, most current system cameras is more than sufficient. That's how good cameras are nowadays.

Their bums.

Who’s Gordon?

https://www.cameralabs.com/about/
11:46

LoL Sorry, I hadn’t watched the video yet and thought he meant Jordan. I’m used to seeing Chris & Jordan - not Chris & Gordon.

@BlueBomberTurbo 1/3 of a stop ain't that much.

It's 2/3 stop. Pretty significant in low light, since raising shadows too much can make the image pretty rough.

Yeah, you are right 2/3 a stop. I think it's less significant than you think. However, the key point is the S1/S1R is way heavy. Chris mentioned that. I've heard other reviewers dance about the point.

Canon introduces the RP soon...and wins! Small, lightweight.

It's really not "small". Similar size to the Zs, just without the tall EVF hump, and with .

https://www.canonwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/canon-r-p-vs-nikon-z6-front-a-1-730x396.jpg

Lightweight, yes, because it lacks IBIS. Other than that, who knows what they've done to the body to lose so much weight over the R...

For quite a lot of people premium build, premium controls, premium EVF, 4k 60P are not important. Buy the tool you need. Not the one you might want. That's not something a general review can answer for you.

"4. AF - are you getting good ratio of pictures in focus or not?"

I think there's no purpose to do that test at this point. As they mention - firmware updates will likely change the picture. At the moment they observe similar behaviour to the focus system as the GH-5 which is an indication. Remember this is an early impression not a review. That's informative. It's not a final judgement.

@Mnemon - it's difficult to argue with someone that says "it's disappointing that Panasonic went for the bare minimum" and then "For quite a lot of people premium build, premium controls, premium EVF, 4k 60P are not important."

This is clear contradiction. Either you want good usability or you don't. And - wait for it - better features cost money. It looks like you're trolling - you didn't try to see the review or my criticism as a whole but tried to argue with individual statements taking different position each time.

@Clayton - you can always select a camera and say that it has something better than Panasonic. It's nonsense. With that approach you can criticize almost every aspect of every camera.
2. I own A7R3 and I know for a fact that Sony offers 2 max 3 stops. Sony IBIS is poor. I don't know Nikon IBIS. I'm interested in Panasonic IBIS but I can't say i learned anything from review that got 4 stops and says "comparable". To what? Was 4 stops maximum?
3. if you don't have anything to say, the don't say it. "period" is an agument for people to limited to express or understand the matter.
4. It looks you have no camera. So for your information - you can check if picture is in focus by displaying it in evf or lcd. It is not possible to judge sharpness during capture when you see whole scene on small evf. but to know it you first need a camera.

@arbux... I didn't select any camera or anything at all and say that is has something better than Panasonic... what in the world are you talking about? As far as your "facts" there are plenty of other "facts" from certainly more trusted sources than arbux that say otherwise. Price - I didn't just say period in case you again are some serious reading comprehension issues. I said the price is a valid criticism... consider watching the video instead of asking me to waste time here repeating what has already been said. Finally, your last point #4 is ridiculous..... you can do lots of things given enough time. Maybe we should just use manual focus so that you can make the same absurd arguments. What a whiny little post you have here. You seem to think I was disparaging the Panasonic camera when really I was just disparaging your overly defensive post.