Chris and Jordan review four large tripods: the Gitzo GT2532, Sirui W2204, Leofoto LQ-284C, and Chris' battle-worn Manfrotto 055MF4.
What if you don't want one of the models in this review? In addition to detailed overviews of the models mentioned above, Chris and Jordan also explain what to look for in a good tripod, to help you choose the best one for your needs – even if it's not included in our roundup.
Forget all new Manfloppy tripods these days. Carbon and whatnot, they will fall into pieces in just few years. My 055 CXPro3 is literally a flip-flop finger crusher with almost all locks broken after 4 years of heavy field use. All joints are loosened due to severe abrasion.
Shame you guys didn't cover the Innorel RT90C (also sold under other names but with a similar model number). I use one (with a Benro GD3WH) and love it.
Carbon fiber, supports >80lbs, goes to ~5'3" without center column (which is sold seperately), super sturdy and costs ~$300. There are a lot of third party options worth reviewing at this point in time.
The Benro TMA38CL Mach3 carbon fiber tripod, with the GH2 aluminum gimbal head or G3 low profile ball head is a good, lower cost solution for folks who want quality craftsmanship and performance without paying RRS prices.
Feisol CT-3472 tripod at $600 has 57" height, supports 66 lbs and in 30 seconds add $63 center column kit increasing height to 10+ inches, rock solid with 600mm f/4 lens. $84 and 30 seconds add a quick level base for video and panos.
Feisol CT-3472 gives me 3 tripods at half the cost of my RRS TVC-34L and Feisol is better designed and build quality is as good as RRS and better than Gitzo. I also got an excellent carry case with the Feisol as compared to RRS and Gitzo where all I got was a cardboard box.
I have owned the RRS tripod, two Gitzo tripods, and a dozen other field and studio tripods over the years and nothing provides the utility and build quality (and reliability) of the Feisol tripods. The Feisol CT-3441T is by far the best travel tripod I have found and despite its light weight at 2.6 lbs it supports a 44 lb load with the legs fully extended. Feisol also provides great carry cases - Gitzo and RRS provide a cardboard box.
Hi, there will be many viewers like me, whose mother language is not English. And although I realize that you like to present as much information as possible in the short time frame, for those viewers, speaking a bit slower will make it much more comfortable to understand every word you say.
Even as someone whose first & only language is English, (I live in the UK), I find that he can speak a little too quickly on occasion & the Canadian accent though not a strong one can make me rewind to actually understand what Chris has said.
BTW I own a Gitzo GT4533LS extra tall tripod with the matching Gitzo GH3382QD ball head. I also have the matching GSLVS levelling base too.
yes I understand you, just like RRS, Rollei should have been there, I have 3 tripods from them and they are all quite nice, precisely processed pieces (Lion Rock) ...
I was convinced to buy Benro Rhino, but this Sirui made me curious. It's similar in specs but 50% more expensive. Where I live this brand is almost unknown so I can't see it for myself in a shop.
Is someone here who could compare these models? Or explain why is it worth it to pay 50% more for Sirui?
BTW, the Gitzo shown in this video costs more than Sigma 85 F/1.4 DG DN.
The price of tripods these days is ridiculous. Somehow the makers have manged to convince people to part with all this cash for something that can, I am sure, be made on a CNC machine at very little manufacturing cost.
Some may be made of more exotic material but you can still pay an arm and a leg for an aluminium one.
There is an idea for an article there for DPR. Finding out of some cheap tripod made in Chine does exactly the same job as one of these stupidly expensive ones.
I doubt we will ever see one on this site given its owned by a major retail outlet with a vested interest in selling such gear.
Also worth mentioning are The Berlebach wooden tripods. Despite the antique looks they can not be condemmed out of hand. They are actually very stable and vibration resistant. The weight is about the double of equivalent modern carbon tripods, but if one doesn't need to carry it around a lot, one gets a lot of stability for resonable money. They are easy to clean if they have been used in dirt or water. The astro people like the heavier versions (they even have a version especially designed for that). https://www.berlebach.de/de/?bereich=details&id=8&sprache=english
As an earlier poster said, it's worth mentioning the Novoflex Tripod system: https://www.novoflex.de/en/products-637/camera-support-systems/triopod.html It's designed as a modular system, where three different base units can be combined with a number of leg sets ranging from large and solid over shorter and lighter legs for travelling to short mini legs (like on a table top tripod). All legs can be unscrewed and replaced with another one. One leg can be used separately as a monopod. 50 cm screw in leg extensions are available. Check out the several YouTube videos showing the various options and combinations. Of course, its not cheap , but it's beautiful German engineering at its best - very well thought out - and it will last a lifetime.
I think I'm about to give up trying to find a tripod for my 300mmf2.8, there is no way to immobilise a 2.5kg lens +1kg camera ,other than a cradle in metal or wood with 4 legs .it's just nonsense to tyy to do it with a ball head
a 300mm 2.8 is not really that big when compared to a 600mm or 800mm full frame lens. It sounds like you need a gimbal on a tripod larger than the ones in this review, which I would characterize as midsize despite the title. A larger tripod and gimbal combination would easily handle a 300mm full-frame lens and larger.
Oh how wrong you are, I've used 600's and 500 f4's with my GT4543LS + Fluid head with absolutely no issues and it doesn't move, a 300 2.8 is small in comparison. What you need to do is stop using cheap, unreliable tripods.
I'm a little confused about this video: the article says "large tripods", but Chris clearly states in the video "medium tripods", which at least 2 of these are, if not all..
When I think of a large tripod, I think of my Leofoto LN-404C, which, when the legs are fully extended, I can walk under upright. I'm 5'-11" or 180.3 cm tall.
I have used them all and only use RRS tripods and monopods today presently own six RSS tripods. I suspect anyone else who has used RSS sticks feels the same. I have had to send four Gitzo's in for repair that was enough for me. I am not a person who uses a tripod very much either other than for wildlife.
Some of the more critical posts below are missing the point (nothing new there of course). The video is an informal look at some different tripods, using them as examples for discussion of the features, and as such it succeeds. It's not a formal test - one clue is in the choice of an 18-year-old well-used Manfrotto as one of just four tripods. I actually own more tripods than that, including an even older Manfrotto 055, so I could make a more comprehensive video I guess, but I don't have Chris and Jordan's charisma.
Yes, but no formal test would do that - that's part of my point. Too many variables wrt wear and tear etc. There's a current model 055 which they could have used (in fact it got a mention), but it's fun that they didn't.
No love from anyone for Linhof Profiport and 90mm Profi-ball head? I do love the Linhof quick release system too. Yes, it's massive, but that's a lot of surface area for contact.
I got the Sirui 2nd hand in new condition for $100 - I had the sister model with clips on my radar, but the price was too good to pass, even with twist locks.
After using it, I will stick to it. The twist locks are excellent, just need like a quarter turn, and the tubes do not rotate. The retractable spikes are useful too.
It's a bit on the long and heavy side when out on a bicycle though.
I'll echo others who say that the vibration test doesn't seem relevant. When was the last time you used a tripod on a vibrating surface? Wind seems like the much bigger issue. Maybe a large fan next time?
Maybe you misunderstood. I did not see anybody questioning that vibration is relevant. What was questioned is whether the type of test that was done by dpreview is relevant for practical use cases.
The vibration test has relevancy with regard to how the tripod holds up to wind, but in an obtuse way. The stiffer the tripod, the better it's resistance to vibration induced by wind, but the greater the effect of inducing vibration in the test.
The damping factor is significant in the its ability to quash vibrations induced by the camera and its handling. In turn, it affects whether you need to use a mirror-up and delay (or shutter release cable). With an Hasselblad, you need all the help you can get. Mirrorless camers are much more forgiving, and you can use IBIS under shaky conditions (e.g., shooting from a balcony which flexes under foot traffic).
Spreading the leg angles one notch is usually sufficient to stabilize the tripod in a stiff wind (e.g., Chicago lake front). The easier to do this, the better.
Shooting at the beach (in water), shooting on an overpass/bridge, windy conditions, rooftop, etc. There are many situations where vibrations literally never stops. A rigid tripod is nice, but it must also be able to dampen vibration and/or settle down quickly. The effects are magnified when using longer lenses.
I had one you see often on eBay, Q999 (or so) for about $80. Good functions, with side beam option and stuff. The twist locks had no defined lock point, so sometimes a leg would cave in, and you had to turn the twist locks a lot. The rubber feet (no spike option) where too soft, so with weight on top there was some potential movement. In a studio setting maybe good. I didn't like it. But I am sure thare are good ones at that price level too.
I mean, for most people there is the concept of "good enough." My...$60(?) tripod has pulled off sharp shots at 42MP. Would it hold up as well to certain conditions? Probably not, but that doesn't feel like a $300 problem to solve.
The legs show differrent behaviour with different heads, in one round of ball head tests the wonky Manfrotto legs masked the horrible dampening of the head leading to a totally screwed up result giving bad advice…
Usually, tripods are specified with their load bearing capacity. Halve that, and you'll get a somewhat realistic number.
I wonder why this hasn't been mentioned in the video at all.
My most stable tripod is a Berlebach, one of the few good aspects about the east-german region of Saxony. Well built, stable, from vibration dampening wood as ash. And it has a ball the center column goes through, so that it's possible to align that vertically without changing the legs positioning (a real hassle on even ground). When doing panoramic shooting, the next best thing is an inverted ball head with a panorama plate on top.
Load capacity is largely due to the design and strength of the leg joints. Threaded collars tend to rate high than clamps for several reasons. Tapered bushings have a larger contact area and apply the holding force very evenly. Gitzo joints rate particularly high because the tapered bushings jam in place. They are forcibly disengaged because he bushing is keyed to the collar. Legs with clamps are engaged by squeezing the end f the leg, which is split for that purpose. Clamps must be adjusted whereas collars are intrinsically self-adjusting.
Depending on models, the Manfrottos can be quite competitive in the all purpose stiffness rankings at The Center Column. "Quality" and results in use are more than just clamp and tube "types."
A large tripod recommendations without RRS, FLM & PMG is just well really missing out… Sure top of the range Gitzo still beats everything else, but after Gitzo those three brands sit head and shoulder above everything else. Yes chinese brands such as Benro, Leophoto and Sirui are doing well for their price, but I would still pick FLM over these as it’s a more refined Chinese made version (probably thanks to it being a german company)
Also center column in a large tripod, really! A centre column mostly make sense in smaller tripods to reduce their overall folded seize. , when deciding to carrying such a huge tripod you really should not accept stability and damping compromises that you get with a centre column. A big tripod is for maximum stability at high hight, a no column “systematic” is far superior to everything else.
I have no problem listening to the article, but the selection of tripods seems to be whatever the author had handy at the time, rather than studied consideration. I know pleasing all of us is tough, but if they’re going to do it, do it right.
I have several Gitzo tripods, both aluminum and CF, and one RRS #2 long tripod, which which I am very pleased. RRS tripods are distinghished by having all machined metal parts, instead of castings used by Gitzo and most others. This gives them better strength with less weight and bulk. Secondly the legs have a larger diameter than the corresponding Gitzo with thinner walls. This yields better stiffness at the same or slightly less weight. The #2 RRS has a keyed and removeable center section, like Gitzo "Systematic" tripods sized #3 and up. Mine is fitted with a leveling platform, as are my larger Gitzo tripods, for landscapes and video.
Amusing video guys, but you really need to move on from your vibrator obsession! A tripod works by steadying the camera by connecting it rigidly to the ground. If your vibration test measures anything, it’s probably damping, so an ancient wobbly wooden tripod would win. A really rigid lightweight tripod is going to send all those vibrations to the camera, so the best tripod will give the blurriest photos….. A much better test would be a long exposure and something that gives a consistent low frequency gentle shake to the camera body, to simulate wind buffeting. How about one of those dancing flowers fitted to the hot shoe?
Couldn't agree more. The only thing they proved is that the Gitzo is the most rigid and therefore not suited for use on a vibrating surface. Maybe a strong fan and a long lens will do a better job. It's about controlling camera movement not about leg vibration.
Interesting vid, I have all manfrotto tripods currently, and my oldest one has wing bolts to lock the legs and weighs a tonne! (think its solid steel...) I wouldn't mind to see the more recent manfrotto tripods reviewed, if thats possible, but right now that Sirui looks really tempting. Really good that Chris is 5ft 9 as thats my height! thanks for a fun vid.
How you know RRS has self development and are not using an OEM supplier. Especially in the aftermarket accessories it is quite common to just go and shop for suppliers of OEM products and have your brandname stamped on it. It might be you are just paying too much for the same. Of course you are free to choose brand.
RRS is doing al their design and manufacturing themselves in the US.
But even if they were not, it would still not excuse the obvious stealth of their IP by Leofoto. Even their line up and the names of their ball heads are copy cats of RRS. The design of the plates is near identical,...
I am sorry, I know we all want cheap and many peope may not know, but anybody buying Leofoto products is IMHO doing a mistake.
Ok - I would say relax a bit. All tripods are copies of each other in that regard. They all look the same from a distance. They all have 3 legs, they all consist out of 3, 4 or 5 sections. They all use the same twist lock or lever mechanisms. Same with ballheads they are all based upon the same design principle.
But just because there is this one US company that now also makes tripods and ballheads does not imply all the others are all of a sudden copycats of their design. It is not that the US owns the world, even thought they often think so. But that's just my opinion.
All tripods have three legs, but there are differences which distinguish one from another, and may make them better for some purposes. For example, a 4-section tripod takes longer to fully extend than 3-sections, and may be slightly less stiff, but is several inches shorter when collapsed and fit in a checked bag.
@Samuel Lucifer: I don't care about RRS being a US company and Leofoto a Chinese one. You are the one who brought this up.
But what I very clearly care about is that Leofoto is blatantly copying RRS products. I don't think anyone should relax about this.
I strongly disagree that all tripods are similar. And so does DPreview, otherwise they wouldn't go through the trouble of comparing them. There are very obvious differences in terms of performance, which includes stability, vibration damping, weight, usability in various weather,...
I have not said such thing - I reacted because you said it is an exact copy of RRS. But just because they look alike it is not a copy. I see clear differrences between those products.
But you are the one who made the suggestion that because of Leofoto's background they must be copycats. So you are on the fence.
I really don't care where Leofoto comes from and if it is Italian, Japanese or UK made, or Chinese. I would still have said the exact same thing to you. They are not copies that is what you make of it, because you dislike them just because of where they originate from.
And this is becoming a real problem for you Americans to understand that you do not own the world. This previous POTUS really screwed up on how the world looks at the US. You have fallen in many respects because you do not give any respect to others.
I am not American. I have been living for more than 20 years in Japan. I have visited China many times, work daily with Chinese people and have many Chinese friends. I have just bought a Chamonix 8x10 camera from China because it’s a unique design with great original IP. So your assumptions are just completely wrong.
Again, you are the one focusing on the countries with an apparent dislike for the US, I couldn’t care less.
All I am saying after a thorough analysis is that we have obvious IP theft going on here. I strongly question your objectivity if you cannot admit this.
It is quite strange that almost all new tripods have higher center of gravity (putting big screw or even two between head and tripod) making tripod less stable in extreme conditions.
Maybe better (more realistic) way to test the tripod stability is to use longer lens >200mm and take one shot without timer and one with 2 second timer (5+ sec. timer probably would give sharp images on all tripods).
I bought this exact same Sirui a few years ago to replace my manfrotto 055cxpro4 (that had the same problems as Chris'). I had to send it back as in real world usage it was flimsy and unstable. It uses a dirty trick to win the race of numbers (height/weight): leng angle (22°) is steeper than the competition (23-24°). Nowadays they don't even display it in the feature chart.
I had a Sirui head on my previous tripod. The same one as shown in the video. It is not a good head at all. One of the reasons not to enclose Sirui on the shortlist when I bought a new tripod last month.
Good video - thanks. Video is quite a good medium for tripods - perhaps more so than for cameras/lenses, because of the more mechanical nature. Slight shame that the leg angle locks weren't really covered, but difficult to cover everything I guess. Any plans to post the test samples? These are one thing that don't work so well in video.
DPR does bring up some common things that people forget when considering a tripod, like vibration (for example, not all CF tripods are made the same).
But if you really want some good suggestions, go visit thecentercolumn.com . Tripod reviews is all they do.
Gitzo, Manfrotto, and Sirui are some of the more common brands, but there are many others, some of which I never heard of. In fact, I just got an FLM tripod recently. Not the cheapest thing out there, but according to a lot of reviews I read, it's a very sturdy tripod that isn't really that have or large.
One TIP I will give to people..... even if your tripod has a center column, don't use it. I prefer to buy ones that don't have a center column (my FLM doesn't which is one of the reasons I got it). Of course I do have a cheaper $200 Sirui travel tripod which I like, for the most part, except it has a double-center column that extends (which I superglued down so it doesn't move).
Also keep in mind that the tripod legs are probably more important than the ballhead or pan/tilt head you buy. If you have to skimp somewhere skimp on the head -- because if the tripod legs aren't steady, it doesn't matter how durable or strong your tripod head is -- it will still wobble and vibrate in the wind.
If you can spend the money now and buy a good tripod (which IMO a good tripod will cost you upwards of $800-$1200) it can last you for a long time, and you don't usually have to worry about things breaking like you do on some of the cheaper ones. Thom Hogan has had some good articles over the years on why in the end, you will likely end up spending $1000+ on a tripod, either up front or by buying and trying several cheaper tripods, only to realize they weren't that great or you outgrew them.
I only wish I had followed his recommendations earlier and just gotten something sturdy but more expensive, from the start. Took me 3 yrs of trial and error to get to what I have now.
I kindly disagree - I would say the head you are going to use on your tripod is actually MORE important than the tripod itself or at least as important.
Ballheads may look very versatile, but they may not be the best for your needs. Tripod and tripod head go in conjunction of use. I find it bad advice to skimp on the cost of a good head for your tripod.
The tripod is only as good as the head that sits on it.
Perhaps, but for example whether you spend $500 on a RRS or $400 on a Kirk (as an example) will you see that $100 difference? Let's assume both are ball heads. For some, they may not.
Perhaps from a functional standpoint, yes you should put some thought into the head and spend appropriately, and at best, the ball head MAYBE is equally important, but for certain it's less important. Sure, not all ball heads have a 90 degree notch on them (I don't advise people use that notch anyway) or you may be missing other things... but in the end the overall gist is that if the legs are not sturdy and stable, the head and entire rig will also not be sturdy and stable, which is the overall concern and objective of most people's tripod purcahse... to find something affordable, yet sturdy and stable. Even the ball head from my $200 Sirui is sufficient for most setups (mirrorless, at least) and ball heads like that sell for around $50 online.
As always, a fun video to watch. My 2 cents I will add to any newbie photographers that may stumble upon this comment...I am not picking a brand, but I will say, buy the best tripod that fits your needs and budget (even used). A bad tripod is a piece of junk that will drive you crazy and you will throw it away. Buy once and use for literally decades, if not the rest of your life. My Gitzo Studex Performance (so old it says made in France) and Foba Superball head combo is 30+ years and still works just great (with almost zero maintenance I am ashamed to admit) for my needs. So solid that it is overkill for my newer and smaller gear (no more Pentax 67 on it), but works wonderfully for my 80mm telescope as well.
I still have my Gitzo Reporter Performance from around 1980. It’s heavy, but still really sturdy. I can’t vouch for the quality/durability of their current models, but mine certainly lived up to it’s reputation at that time.
Chris, Jordan regarding the vibration test, a comment from an engineer.
Weight gives stability and has little influence on damping (changes the frequency a bit). A good tripod needs stability and damping. The way load is applied, the way excitation is applied matters with respect to the response (amplitude, frequency). You may have excited eigenmodes with your shaker not really relavent in practical tripod application and may have missed excitation relevant. I guess you are aware that you are testing the system tripod plus ballhead? If you want to test the tripod, use the same ballhead.
... "eigenmodes" in this case = resonant frequencies and or frequency response spectrum spikes. Would be much better to try to get the whole spectrum of the response itself e.g. in the range of 1 - 100 Hz.
Your test of vibration resistance is incomplete. Structures (in this case tripods) have resonance, that is to say they resonate to varying degrees to particular frequencies. To make a just comparison you would require a variable frequency tripod vibrator and to test each tripod at as large a range of frequencies as possible, at as many extensions (heights) as possible.
In your example the Gitzo most likely happened to be resonant to your vibrator’s native hum at the leg extension you arbitrarily chose, while strictly by chance, the other tripods were not.
They did do equal heights, but they didn't do maximum heights. I'd have done both, personally. I think the vibration test is a bit silly though, as tripods aren't really intended to guard against vibration.
My first real tripod (circa 1975) was a big, black, Leitz Tiltall. Solid as a rock and just as heavy. Once, I was removing it from my trunk at an event when a police officer noticed me tucking it under my arm. He had to come over to check me out, thinking I had a serious weapon of some sort.
Why did he choose that model Leofoto tripod for an article about choosing the right LARGE tripod, then complain it’s too small? Leofoto DOES have larger tripods that would have been more appropriate for the article.
Yeah, I have the LS-284 as my travel tripod, and it does a great job, but I have the LS-323 for my main pod, which is reasonably priced, allows for fully height usage without a center column (which I prefer, and I'm 6') and it is very sturdy and rather light.
Would’ve liked to have seen either really right stuff or promedia tripods in this review. That said Gitzo without question can always be counted on to represent the premier brands.
Now we need a follow-up episode covering various Tripod Personal Massage Devices (TPMDs) to science which has the best performance in tripod vibration tests. Just for research porpoises, of course.
I have always used Manfrotto, from the 161B all the way down. I found that on a recent trip to Iceland the newer version of Chris's Manfrotto was a pain after taking it to black beach. That very fine and highly abrasive black volcanic dust had found its way into the leg locks . It took me several hours in the shower to try and clean it out, and stop the terrible grating. I do like the Sirui's idea of Tripod and Monopod , makes packing both a lot easier.
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