The EOS R6 promises to be the full frame mirrorless camera from Canon that many have been waiting for. Does it hit the mark? We put it through the wringer for both stills and video to find out. Filmed on a pre-production Canon EOS R5.
Am I the only one a bit nervous seeing him shaking the R6 around without any kind of strap? 😅. Anyway, great review, nice location and some amazing shoots. Looks like a serious contender camera for my needs. I've jumped to Sony to get into the mirrorless, but haven't switched my glasses, waiting to see what Canon was going to launch. Now I am quite confortable with my Sony A7RIII, but still loving the Canon colors, even with the post processing possibilities, to me the Canon colors are unique. I shoot mostly action sports and the 12mp mech would be ideal... however stepping back to less than half of the MP sounds quite hard, as I do crop a lot specially surf and kitesurf shoots. Maybe the R5 will be the one? But 4k just on the body... thats a lot of money for someone that doesn't actually live from photography... with that amount I can change my lenses and buy a good waterhousing to my little Sony. Hard choices in life... if I was using a 24mp, I would switch back for sure
I was convinced that the price point would hurt the R6 (relative to A7iii and Z6), but now, not so sure. Other than the advantage of having MANY native lenses and the current price, the A7iii seems to be inferior in most specs. Likewise with the Z6, which does not have the number of native lens advantage, but does have more affordable native lens choices vs the Canons. I'll take a wild guess that Sony's response will push the price of the A7iv to the R6's price point. I am heavily invested in Fuji X now, but also have 2 Sony FE primes. Was tempted many times to pick up an A7iii. But now I'm going to wait on Sony's response. I'd love to see an A7iv with full swivel LCD, better IBIS, and dual UHS2 slots. Preference is to get a Sony again to make use of the 2 primes. But if Sony lags behind, I may finally buy a much hated Canon ILC camera for the first time ever. I have loathed Canon ILC's for a long time for a variety of reasons (mostly illogical), but ...
This is basically a mini A9ii only with better IBIS, better video, better SOOC colors, more DR at base ISO, and works better with the best sports lenses on the planet. Sensor read out is slower so you may have to sometimes fall back to 12 FPS, but the A9ii doesn't shoot at 20 FPS with most Sony lenses like the 70-200/4, doesn't shoot at 20 FPS when shooting lossless raw files, and you'll probably want to shoot at the 10 FPS mechanical shutter in some artificial lighting. Eye tracking and animal eye tracking look excellent with the R6 and DPRTV says it has the best tracking during video. For almost $2000 less this is a bargain compared to the A9ii.
Its been pointed out a number of times, if you own a set of Canon telephoto lenses or any Canon L glass for that matter, the R6 of the better of the two cameras. If money was no object I'd buy a 1DxIII and an R6. If money is a limiting factor, the R6 is an exceptional bargain,
no, it's not a "mini A9ii", not even close, because canon doesn't make stacked sensors, this r6 has extremely slow sensor readout in comparison to the a9-series cameras.
slow sensor readout = rolling shutter jelly = electronic shutter not usable = weak slow af that has to rely on prediction instead of actual af measurements
Rick Sammon discusses using the R6 with those new DO lenses for birding. Lots of good photos. But the R6 plus the DO lenses are going to be a great combo for many, who want to do bird and wildlife photography, but didn't want the cost and/or weight of the super tele lenses.
Great review. Sick bridge. Superb camera. I have to say, It's very tempting this R6. 20mp is sweetest spot for me. Good to see Canon back. Switchig to it is too much for me, sadly.
According to Canon literature when the EOS system first debuted, it stands for Electro Optical System, and is also named after the Greek goddess of the dawn. So it seems that either pronunciation is correct, depending upon which meaning you want to reference.
Which is why I answered yes. Like yes in this instance, EOS too is a double entendre! And if our book editor friend is with us today, and I have “misconscrewed”—a word coined by me—things up, please feel free to set me right, publicly!
Come up with some sort of standardized test to measure viewfinder lag and include it in the reviews of all mirrorless cameras. Also do a feature about how much viewfinder lag has affect on following moving subjects. Show real world results.
...and while your at it, how about a standardized test for eye-autofocus performance: subject age, lighting, subject movement....etc.
I personally have seen large variations in performance depending on these and other parameters. For example if a subject has deep set eyes and there is overhead lighting, performance is very different than a well lit, subject with "shallow set" eyes.
Sensor from 1DXmkIII makes sense in combination with light super telephoto lenses and teleconverters. It should allow to capture decent quality images even with small aperture.
Specifically for supertele, I would rather want a higher resolution sensor. With the lower resolution sensor, I would need a longer lens just to get the same reach. And in any case I'd prefer an APS-C or MFT camera for telephoto for that same reason.
Actually,,you can use AI software on the R6 images and get them to look as detailed as a higher resolution sensor. Cropped they'll look as good as any APSC image too.
APSC and mFT have had the advantage of shooting 20 FPS for a low price. The R6 is getting closer to that.
"you can use AI software on the R6 images and get them to look as detailed as a higher resolution sensor" – even if it was true, the high resolution sensor's images then could be made to look as detailed as an even higher resolution sensor. Software cannot close the distance between them, no matter how artificially intelligent it may be.
And besides, any form of upscaling will produce (at best) false detail. It may be a perfectly plausible rendition of what the true detail might have been had the camera been able to capture it, but that's not the same as actually capturing the detail that was present in the scene in real life. Sometimes this is perfectly fine and appropriate—for example, most Lightroom users leave the default sharpening in place and are perfectly fine with that—but it's only an effect, it's not real. It's just an AI making guesses as to what a higher resolution image would have looked like.
Besides, who wants to take 100% of their images and run them through an upscaling algorithm as part of their pipeline? That's clunky and time-consuming. It's fine for occasional use but it's no substitute for a higher-resolution sensor and I wish Happy Dad would stop pretending that it is.
Here's an interview with famed photography Rick Sammon on his experience shooting the R6 with those new 600 and 800 DO lenses...lot's of bird shots...very impressive results.
BTW I think the R6 and the R5 with those new DO lenses will start a revolution and enable many people to experience the joys of super tele photography on birds and wildlife who otherwise would not.
And it's also great for backyard birding photography in a time of reduced travel.
I guess in very bright light when you could use ISO 100 with f/11 IQ would be better than APS-C and MFT. As you'll have to rise ISO - IQ would become similar to smaller sensor when used with brighter lens. Although RF camera with 32mp APS-C sensor could be interesting as well, sort of 7DmkII replacement.
@Thoughts R Us: I'm not sure where the "revolution" is supposed to be in those two DO lenses. Ok, they finally make hand-held supertele possible with FF cameras, at least in halfway bright light. And they may be sharp, too. But what's the cost? Those lenses aren't cheap, they are painfully slow for FF standards, they're not even exceptionally compact or lightweight, either, compared to the roughly equivalent options which have been there for MFT for ages, and the shortest focusing distances are so long that I couldn't even shoot birds in my yard without having to fiddle with additional close-up accessories, let alone smaller species like butterflies or dragonflies. And even if I did that, getting enough depth of field could become a problem in some cases, since the lenses cannot even stopped down further... [cont'd]
MFT shooters who would like to get more fast lenses for their cameras, like those expensive f/1.2 AF and f/0.95 MF primes, keep getting told they should rather add a FF body and buy comparatively cheap f/1.8 lenses. In cases where carrying a second body is an option, such advice is not completely wrong, either. But this now is clearly a case for the exact opposite. Especially when the camera would be a 20 MP R6 and not the extremely expensive higher-resolution R5: if someone would want to do hand-held supertele, why not just buy a MFT body and one of the many lens options there are, which are much less limited in their versatility, too?
I really like R6, more after your video: I reckon that's a mix between 7DMK2 and 6DMK2 in a mirrorless format, without the limitations: A real 4K video plus advantages of mirrorless system.
Adding the possibility to use my DSLR Lens(adapter) without less quality.
Only one question: The DSLR lens have 100% compatibillity to 8 stops or It's only possible to achieve the 8 stops with RF lens? (Sorry if you said on the video but my english is a little bit poor)
Anyway, thanks for the review. (Canada? What a wonderful lands..)
panning is not a valid test for electronic shutter performance, because the bike is stationary in the frame.
the tilted verticals in the wall behind the rider show lots of rolling shutter jello, caused by the slow sensor readout of this r6, it doesn't have a stacked sensor... it's not good electronic shutter performance.
Was the 24-105 being used on the R6 part of the R6 kit or was it a lens they already had? I thought that until the lens firmware updates are out, the IS/IBIS won't work together to full effect.
What is the Rolling Shutter like? What is the banding in dimmed LED like when shooting silent shutter?
These were two very serious issues with the EOS R due to the dual pixel sensor design. Has this been solved with the R6 and R5?
If I'm not mistaken the EOS R6 uses the same sensor as the 1DxIII and in live view mode with silent shutter it has bad rolling shutter. With the larger sensor in the EOS R5 the rolling shutter will probably be even worse.
If I read correctly the R6 readout speed is 1/52s compared to 1/60s on the 1DXIII. So it’s a little bit slower but not much. As a point of reference since Happy mentioned it, the A9 readout speed is 1/160s which is the current state of the art.
For comparison the A7RIV was tested by Jim Kasson. Its sensor readout speed is 100 milliseconds, or 1/10 second.
So the R6 is 6x faster than the newest A7 series camera. 1/60th of second is fast enough for running people and pets. It's fast enough for most things. And when it's not, there is the 12 FPS mechanical shutter. The A7III is Sony's fastest A7 in the past several years. It is only 1/16 second. Again not fast enough for anything but rocks a buildings. 😀 Oh and the a6x00 cameras are worse.
The a9/a9ii uses a very nifty stacked sensor, I'll give it that. But other factors also matter to most photographers.
The R6 and most likely the R5 will be faster than just about all other cameras, including the other Sony cameras.
Of course the a9ii is $2000 more expensive than the R6, so it better be better at something!
Is it anyone's contention that the only cameras worth using are the a9/a9ii? Because if so then that negates the value of every other Sony camera as well.
Right. Fred wasn’t asking about Sony. So I don’t know why you keep bringing it up. Some insecurity complex. I only mentioned the A9 to confirm your point since you mentioned it in your initial reply.
For a canon obsessionist you seem to be awfully concerned about Sony.
Happy Dad and Thoughts you are making a joke of yourself! Rolling shutter in video doesn't have to correlate to sensor read out speed in stills and surely it doesn't in some cameras.
Well this is awkward. For years I've been reading how important MP resolution and fine pixel peeping contrast are. Now the #1 brand releases a general purpose camera with lower than expected resolution and suddenly the comments section is full of mentions of AI software that magically adds information where there was none. Where were those commenters all these years, when other camera models were dismissed based on resolution?
PS: I have a beautiful shower curtain made from a cropped 16MP image in my guest bathroom. Maybe effective 12MP. My guests love it.
The R6 sensor is the same new sensor design the 1dx mark III has, it was made with less pixels so that the cells can be larger and thus more sensitive to light. This allows one to use a lower ISO when using a 600mm lens and very fast shutter for sports and wildlife, the added bonus is is also gives more dynamic range. Cameras with more pixel sensors should only have an advantage when printing A2 and larger.
Convolutional neutral networks have been used extensively for image recognition and generative applications for quite a few years now. It's not like Canon released this software at the same time as announcing these cameras, but that didn't stop other brand cameras getting bashed for being "only" 20MP as recently as a few months ago. The reason that AI is suddenly relevant must be something else, I can't quite put my finger on it...
The only thing you get out of software like that is garbage and not art! Since the software guess the pixels it will never be good and often worse than a normal resizing in PS.
What I understand from this review: The Canon EOS R6 is a full frame camera that takes pictures. Those pictures have the quality of 20Mpixels full frame pictures. And I would add: in a blind test, no one could tell if the pictures come from this Canon EOS R6, or a 6D, or a D750 or a A7RIII, or a 5DIII or a 5DIV. So , if I don't have money to waste, I'd better keep using the cameras and lenses that I already have, keep taking picture and spend zero money on those new camera models that require to also buy new lenses, and would make no difference on images.
Well, it depends! In many situations the IBIS and the improved DR and AF of the R6 may be the difference between a missed opportunity and a really great shot. If you are into video there are other improved features that you can benefit from. But of course you are the only one that can decide whether this applies to you.
@pentaust, one more important consideration. If you make a living solely with your camera, you are making about 0$ now. And following on from there, you probably don’t have a lot of savings, if any, to get you through this pandemic. Even if Canon decided to give both of these amazing tools, you still can’t engage in people photography. With the end of this disaster no where in sight, it would be incredibly foolish to spend on a new camera when you don’t know if the money you have will last to the end of this emergency!!! On the other hand, if you’re old and retired, and you’re income is unaffected by employment, Spend like you don’t have all that long to live. You don’t!!!
Or, it would be wise to sell your 2 or 3 cameras you bought for different uses, and get the R6 knowing you'll be able to attract more clients in the near future with a camera that does so much more.
Or, if you sell those cameras, hold onto that cash pending the end of this nightmare on Elm street! Then, when you have a client confirmed, order a cam for overnight delivery.
@pentaust, if you have a high hit rate with your current camera system then I would tend to agree with you. However, if you need a higher performance AF with Eye/Animal detection, higher FPS, better AF in low light conditions or improved IBIS than I would consider an alternate system if you are financially comfortable changing.
Eye AF was an invention from Sony. It is strange that before Sony talked about eye AF, no-one had eye AF with their cameras and nobody reported having problem with eyes, including professional photographers using cameras such as Phase One beasts. Then Sony came and advertised eye AF as unique feature to sell their camera showing a model gesticulating in all directions (as if models should jump randomly when you photograph them...), and now everyone needs to have eye AF in their cameras, up to a point that Nikon and Canon and Panasonic must add eye AF to their cameras too otherwise they wouldn't sell! If you must have eye AF to have eyes in focus, you must be an amateur who don't understand aperture and depth of field, you don't need eye AF, what you need is a photography class.
Or if good vision is in your rearview mirror, or if subject movement is blazingly fast relative to the photographer, great grandkids, Dogs, cats etc. eyeAF may be all that allows you to take an in focus picture. At my age, I’m perfectly willing to ‘cheat’ with eyeAF. Old and still alive in Petri Dish, FL.
Here we go again the Canon fan army is alive. It will be interesting to see when they grow up and become mature human beings that rise above Kindergarten level.
I think the R6 is a terrific camera and I would swop out my 5D iii for it in a heartbeat if the resolution was nearer 30MP instead of 20MP. I really want that extra res for landscape work and the room to crop and print my work.
20mp is a big step down from 30mp eos-r, and it puts r6 in the competitive space with 20mp m4/3 bodies, but m4/3 has the advantage of multiple generations of tweaking on video controls and a much better lens lineup... jordan alluded to that, for instance no horizon line capability while recording video with r6, hopefully canon can fix that with a firmware release.
r6 pricing will most likely drop a lot, just like eos-r did when it went on sale with huge price reductions, even tho r6 is a better overall camera.
as it stands now, 20mp for $2500 is not competitive in the 2020 ff space, especially with no native lens lineup to speak of.
1. Seems like a winner - great well rounded camera. 2. Overheating not an issue! 3. Filming with the R5 seemed to go pretty well with no screaming with pain from Jordan as he held a cam that according to the attack mutts would have exploded in his hands 4. No sign of the attack mutts in these generally hugely positive comments. Sorry to mention it but had to be said...🙁
It seems my trusty 6D successor has arrived. After 7 years with 6D I'm going to get R6 as an upgrade. Right on time Canon as I was heavily tempted by Sony offering, but replacing all my glass with Sony or using untrusty convertes held be back. I'm glad I've waited :)
MAC, I think you've missed my point. I wouldn't upgrade my somehow great 6D with its RF "copy" (assuming that I'd want to sacrifice sensor quality as RP as worse one), this would be complete waste of money. I do need upgrade for features I never had in Canon's FF DSLR - it'll give me new opportunities and complete new possibilities.
Canon never said that overheating is a problem, either, they just published some recording times. It takes actual real world usage to determine the implications of those for your shooting, though.
R6 came just in time, when many thought Canon was losing it, they are back in the game. i love competition! From the review, it does seem R6 will be really hot!
I really like the fact that Canon finally listens to its customers and includes most essential features into an affordable body. This offers customers two good choices without sacrificing, more money for the 45MP and value for the 20MP. Finally, FF 4K, ibis and DR performance par with its competitors...C-log included without extra charge, Wow!
While I own an M100 mainly for form factor, this is the first Canon camera in a long time that I can say I would love to own. 20mp seems like the sweet spot for me, balancing more than enough resolution (for me) with excellent low-light and DR performance according to early reports. An excellent viewfinder and capable IBIS round it out nicely for me. Even with all of these excellent features, is it a good value for me? I am unsure.
Once again, I watched the entire video review and thoroughly enjoyed it, despite having no interest in the camera being presented. The resulting photos and video are gorgeous, showcasing the skill of the two guys who are also pretty good in front of the camera. Amazon could double your pay and still be getting a bargain. Thanks again, chaps!
I agree...Chris and Jordan are a great team and make some of the best camera gear review videos around.
Whether one is interested in the product or not, or even agrees with them in all cases, their videos are always well produced, informative and entertaining. That is a rare combo.
I agree, their chemistry is almost as good as the Top Gear ( now Grand Tour) trio. Enjoyable to watch doesn't matter if you're interested in the gear being reviewed or not.
Does anyone know if rolling shutter using the electronic shutter for action is as bad as 1dx-iii on r6/r5? I would assume so as r6 uses the same sensor, and I would doubt the r5 sensor has faster readouts?, The review seems to indicate fast readout? But maybe DPpreview just tests rolling shutter issues for video, not for fast-times stills?
For shooting Golf, tennis, badminton, baseball, cricket, etc. but all also fast-moving subjects like birds, etc.. this is a major issue with poor implementation of ES. I
since most high end models only give you 1/250s flash sync and many mid level cameras only provide 1/160s falsh sync time. There not much different... but who I am talking too
Anyone 100% sure if the IBIS works when used with a non stabilized lens (IS/OS/VC) that is not a Canon lens? Canon seems to put a condition on their explanation, something like "It will still stabilize with non IS EF lens with the adapter because the camera and the lens speak natively the same language". Will, for example, a Tamron lens with non-VC lens mounted on an R5/R6 still allow the body alone to benefit from IBIS?
Yes, but it cannot combine IS. In camera only which is about 5.5 or 6 stops. It still is going to be superb from all the videos I watched. And I think yo u can turn it off and use In Lens if you like that better.
thanks. i know all other brand camera body's the IS will still work, but I have not seen any videos where a non canon lens is used with the R. Which video did you watch? Can you please provide a link?
Even though I don’t have a Canon EF body, I still have a handful of EF lenses. I am leaning towards picking up an R5. And initially use my EF lenses via the EF to R adapter (which I already have).
I already have a full Sony kit. So I’m not in a big hurry to get all native R mount lenses. So I’m OK with adapting the lenses I already own for the time being.
I had purchased an EOS R when it was first released. Using my EF lenses adapted. But I noticed that with EF lenses with IS, the image stabilization on the lens was always on. Not just when you half press the shutter. Like on DSLR’s.
This behavior causes unnecessary wear and tear on the lens IS IMO. Especially with more expensive lenses like my 400MM DO II.
There is a quasi work around. Having the camera go to sleep after 30 sec. But that had problems of it’s own. Slow wake up times as an example.
I was just curious if anyone has seen or heard anything about this behavior changing with the R5/6 when using adapted EF lenses?
Probably you have continuous focus on in your camera setting. So your camera was focusing even if you're not shooting and thus the stabilization was at work. Just my thoughts, may be entirely wrong.
Yes, you have the camera's setting for "Continuous AF" to "Enable." You just need to change it to "Disable." It's on page 1 of the AF menu.
This feature is keeping the camera always focusing and driving the lens continuously even when not shooting, so that when you do shoot the AF is ready to go.
That being said, Canon lenses like the 400 DO II (fantastic lens BTW) are made for very heavy usage. They are designed for pro level use with users like pro sports photographers and Nat Geo photographers in mind.
Thanks for the replies souvikdgp and Thoughts R Us.
I am aware of this setting. And it was turned off. I can assure you. I am not the only one asking about this. There are numerous threads about this behavior. With debates on whether it’s detrimental to the lens IS. Whether it’s a non issue. Work arounds, Etc...
This lens image stabilization always on behavior is the same with native R mount lenses. But is barely noticeable, because the IS on R mount lenses are virtually silent.
From what I can gather, Canon’s reasoning is so the view through the EVF or rear screen is stabilized. Since both R mount bodies up until this point have lacked IBIS.
But with the new R5 and R6. Both of which have IBIS. I am hoping this behavior is no longer necessary.
I know even Canon themselves mentioned that R6 is new 6D and R5 is new 5D, but I beg to differ. If that's true then either R6 is much better than 6D or R5 is inferior to 5D. The reason is the differences between R6 and R5 are much much lesser than 6D and 5D. Infact, it's very tough to choose between R5/6 and eventually boils down to whether you need 45mp or not. Same autofocus, ibis, frame rate.
From a viewing stand point, time well spent. Very informative. Your on a roll and have been for a while. Great coverage on R6 and using the R5 was equally great.
Good AF, IBIS, low light perf..we'll see with the scene I guess. In Sweden, kind of double the price of the Z6..not double of the Sony A7iii which still isn't a 2000USD camera, in fact it is still closer to a 3000USD camera. Nice images. The best camera is the one that engages you...or perhaps your audience. Slanted evening sunlight is great.
I can't say if anyone else has already said this, but, nice pictures! Canon has almost always had weak sample pics on their sites to market their cameras, so it's a pleasure to see some good captures from the R6, so that it is easier to tell just how capable a camera it is. Thanks for the effort. Very nice review. As a very long time working professional, I'm going to purchase an R5 very soon, but the R6 just might be a camera that I will add to my kit as well, especially after seeing this review. Some of my jobs don't require more than 20 MP, and none require 8K video.
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