We compare six popular camera backpacks: the Wandrd Prvke, the Peak Design Travel Backpack, the Shimoda Explore, the Manfrotto Manhattan Mover, the CosySpeed PhotoHiker and the Atlas Athlete.
I would have liked this review to have included what I think is important to many nature photographers: 1) Can it fit a 600mm lens with a body? Or a 200-600mm lens with body? 2) Is it carry on size?
Vanguard Veo Select 49 - rear opening, main compartment fits my Canon EOS R, 70-300L, Sigma 14 1.8, RF 50 1.8, Tamron 150-600 G2. top compartment fits the battery grip and all the other accessories. $149 Canadian cant beat the value.
merry xmas. my favorite is the mover 30 for teh S1. and still an old Tamrac expedition 3 for mft. It was probably one of the smallest backpacks on the market and fits the G9 with the 400mm + other lenses. but there some good bags too.
I would have liked this review to have included what I think is important to many nature photographers: 1) Can it fit a 600mm lens with a body? Or a 200-600mm lens with body? 2) Is it carry on size?
I have been using Burton Snowboard camera backpacks for years. Stylish, spacious and durable. I love that most people would not assume that I have expensive equipment in a Burton backpack. For actual day hiking, I generally just slide a padded, thermal lunch bag (waterproof, thick and zips up) into my camelbacks and downsize to 1 camera and lens. Totally works like a charm. :)
As everyone else is clamouring for their favourite pack, I'll do the same: Where is F-stop? The Tilopa is a great hiking pack, perfect for skiing with ski loops and shovel pocket, very well built and weather proofed, protected by having opening from the backside, has a great frame, excellent access and organisation of all the photo gear, etc. https://fstopgear.com/products/packs/tilopa
I use a Tenba camera insert inside a Gregory backpack. The Gregory is a true hiking pack - unparalleled comfort with mesh airflow and great weight distribution. The only downside is I can't access the gears as fast. My workaround is to use the Peak Design quick release that's attached to the waist belt, so I don't have to always keep the camera inside the pack, and its weight is still on my hip.
Is that a joke video? Did you just pull a random selection of "popular" from Amazon without any consideration at all?
No internal frame - check No load lifters - check Underwhelming back and lumbar support - check Underwhelming waist belt - check Lots of fancy but useless gimmicks - check Overpriced but "hey it was on kickstarter" - check
If you want to carry heavy gear and not have neck aches for the rest of your life, get a proper pack from a proper backpack company, not these instant tickets to a chiropractor...
@alex: get a real hiking bag and stop assuming this issue has to do with physical fitness. I’m younger and work out, and photo backpacks are just uncomfortable/bad for your back, neck, and shoulders when hiking any significant distance.
@alex If you use a poorly designed pack, you will give up comfort in the present.
Down the road you will be giving up hard-earned cash to doctors and physical therapists while trying to mitigate the physical damage caused by bad decisions made years earlier. . .
Consider that this comes from a 60-something photographer with back issues and two total hip replacements. . . And I actually own top-notch gear, stayed in shape and take good care of body! LOL
After too many run-ins with pickpockets who were guiding their children's hands to my bag's zippers (of course pretending to be pulling them back when caught), I will only ever buy photo backpacks with zippers on the back. Easy enough to flip it around with the waist belt on.
Same here, will use my Pacsafe whenever traveling in cities. For hiking, photo backpacks tend to be pretty awful comfort wise if I’m doing more than 5 miles or so.
Wezre, Totally agree, my pacsafe (with a camera insert) is approaching 9 years old. I’ve probably hiked more than 700klm in that time. Its been on every trip with me in this time, and whilst it looks used, it certainly isn’t worn out.
Waist belt is the key to the ability to carry its full load.
I use small locking metal caribeners on the zippers of my daypack and small unpadded shoulder bag. The devices require several twists to unlock and it can only be done using both hands. One caveat: The pack needs to have dual zippers so the zipper pulls can be locked together. Besides slowing them down, I figure most pickpockets would rather move on to easier pickings than risk a confrontation. . .
I've used the original Pacsafe bag protector for many years to secure my bags in hotel rooms, train luggage racks, etc.
Lightandaprayer, i thought all the pacsafe products come with Zip attachments? or do you do this for some added security? My zips neatly clip to the side of my bag if i want the extra protection. The really valuable stuff is inside the steel mesh bag.
I even used their reinforced camera strap for about 10 years. Now replaced with a PD design.
The only Pacsafe product I use is the original mesh bag protector. I use a Marmot Talus climbing daypack as my travel photo bag. A Lowepro Orion beltbag goes inside the daypack. The Talus also has 2 cool rear interior pockets that are accessible from the outside. I usually put an 80-200 or 300 f4 lens in them but I have been known to stack smaller lenses as well.
Unfortunately, the rear pockets cannot be "locked" using the caribener method. I limit their use based on the perceived theft threat level. . . ;)
Great overview. Really enjoyed it. I'm a bag fanatic and my two main backpacks are the PD Everyday Backpacks, which were not covered here because they are not hiking packs but purely street shooting and gear transport packs. You should note that your favorite pack in the review, the Shimoda Explore 40 is on sale in the US right now for deep discounts - 264 dollars with two small Core Units. I think it is on sale because Shimoda just released what is basically an update to the Explore 40 - the Shimoda Action X50, which is the same size as the Explore 40 but expands bigger. It will take a water blivit or external bottles, and the waist band is removable. It has a better strap system and better laptop storage, along with several other user-inspired updates. I am ordering the Explore 40 though because it is basically almost half off right now. Greg Johnson, San Antonio Texas https://www.flickr.com/photos/139148982@N02/albums
Good comment, Greg. One of my favorite updates in the new Shimoda Action X Series (X30 and X50) is a side door that provides easy access to your gear without having to set your pack down. (You just drop the left shoulder strap and swing the pack around.) The Explore series has a side zipper which kind of allows for the same thing, however it is harder to get gear in and out and only works with a small core unit that you have to turn sideways inside the pack. In this configuration, you can't easily access that gear through the back; just from the side. The Action X Series uses updated core units that have a built-in door allowing you to access the entire core unit—any size—through both the side door and the back panel.
tlinn, yes, I knew about the new V2 Core Units (small, medium and large). I think you have convinced me to get the new Action x50 vs the Explore 40 (but it is hard to resist that sale on the Explore 40). But since I am going to be packing the GFX 100 and GF lenses, I have to decide between the medium Core Unit or the large. The pack comes with the medium unit for 400 bucks. I wonder if you have to expand the Action X50 in order to use the Large insert? Maybe the large insert is for the bigger x70. So I need to dig in more on whether to get the medium or large V2 Core Unit insert. The large is 100 bucks. So I need to see if I can purchase the pack with the large vs medium core unit.
Agree ThinkTank should have been included, I personally use the Airport Accelerator and the Gura Gear Kimboka 30L as well as the Lowepro 600 AW Trekker III long lens bag. All of which are not cheap but I’ve found each to be the very best made for their intended purposes!
The Shimoda Explore 40 is £606.26 from Amazon UK, but you can get it from the USA site for £294.54 (or the Explore 60 for £327.32) via Amazon's 'Global Store'. Both prices include any import duty but not shipping, which is £31 or £18.46 respectively.
It's still a hell of a saving on the UK price, and you'll get it within seven days. I've bought lots of lenses this way.
Take a look at your local camera store. Mine offers the Shimoda backs at normal prices. Amazon can be overprices sometimes. (Amazon.nl Offers the same back for a whopping 818,29 euro's?! but the local store just 289,95)
Most things are cheaper in USA, in Europe we as consumers we get what we deserve .... and that is to be ripped off! Our anti-monopoly and competition govt organisations are designed to be powerless ... and are. Now UK has left Europe I would prefer to join with USA and adopt the dollar personally ..... at least Americans seem to fight for their rights ... good on you!
Well, you can get a great hiking backpack with really excellent back system that won't hurt your neck for life (unlike most of those reviewed here) for much, much less from reliable backpack makers. Add a simple padded photo cube and you are totally set. Orthovox, Deuter, whatever. Even ThinkTank packs are much better and cheaper, the BackLight series seems pretty nice. I carried a backpack full of pro gear for many, many years after my F2 Domke (good for the young ones, neck aches ahead) and no way I'd use most of the reviewed packs for work. I prefer my spine and neck vertebrae in good shape. 600GBP for a copycat hiking pack with a sewn in camera cube is totally bonkers. Much better packs with back access cost one third of that...
Quiverbow I feel your pain, local stores are becoming a rarity. Anyway Greg, If you really want to aquire an Shimoda backpack I'm willing to help you out. My local post office will charge 20 euro's for a 5KG packadge to the U.K. so that would make 310 euro's for the Shimoda 40L, Still way less then the outrages prices of amazon. Send me a privite message and we might be able to work something out! If your not in a hurry also take a look at the Action X series from Shimoda, I got mine a few months back (Kickstarter finaly got in) and I love it. It replaces my regular backpack that was a pain to use with camera gear, simply because I want direct acces and not having to dig out a camera cube (what I needed to do previously)
A great leading picture that made me laugh out loud. I know in the UK that any backpack needs to have a rainproof cover else it is not fit for purpose. Yes there are wallies that are happy to ruin their gear but most look after it. For me personally the water protection comes first followed by comfort and protection third (I dont fall over much and this I am insured for). I agree with a few others that many of these brands are local to USA and not available in most other places however most USA based sites are parochial at best.
Why people always want to carry more with them than they actually need during a hike is beyond me. 32-36 pound in a backpack is a lot of weight and a burden to carry with you all day long.
It is better to be prepared than to be surprised!
That is why i’d rather use a daypack and choose the lenses to take with me carefully and with thought.
I completely agree. There may be people who can hike 10 miles with 36 pounds on their back and not think about it but I'm not one of them. I'd much rather choose a body and the two lenses I'm most likely to need and enjoy the day in relative comfort, accepting the fact that I can't get every picture.
Jones, I agree with you. I day-hike a lot with GFX gear and usually use a properly shaped open-back normal day hiking backpack with water blivit. Then I just toss in the pack two or three lenses in soft pouches and put the camera around my neck. But I think I am going to get the Shimona for gear transport, if nothing else. I might hike with it but probably not. That's a big bad for a day-hike, and for overnight trekking you need a different pack anyway. But still - that is a great bag to move you gear around, shoot for a day, or to get all your gear on an airplane with you (not checked).
Fully agree on the comfort issue, and it's more than just comfort. I know that with my aging back, if I tried to carry 30+ lbs. for even an hour or two, someone would probably have to carry ME home!
Physical decline is inevitable (genes and age), but how we treat our deteriorating body parts in life is a factor with regard to further deterioration. So all these fancy packs with large well-organized capacity, comfortable shoulder straps, etc. may be encouraging people to carry more than the human back has evolved for, and actually promoting faster decline.
The one thing that IS beneficial is a good waist belt that transfers most of the weight to the hips, helping the back. I'd like to see really good, wide waist belts on relatively-small capacity bags (small capacity from being tall but narrow).
Keep in mind that these backpacks are all airplane friendly as stated at the begining of the video, some people might fully pack them for carry-on and swap out the gear for their trips, because yes! people should be prepared!
I have a first-generation Marmot Talus climbing daypack that I have used for around 20 years. It has a great suspension system and an ingenious design that helps keep your back dryer. It comes with a removable internal aluminum stay so it can be a "soft" or "hard" support-style daypack. Materials and build are top-rate.
It has an interior sleeve that can hold a 15" MacBook Pro. My favorite feature is the two rear interior pockets that are easily accessible from the outside. They can easily hold an 80-200 2.8 and 300mm f4 with a little room to spare. At the top rear is a zippered padded sunglass pocket but I usually put a light meter there. Finally, it has two exterior H2O net pockets and rear lashing points for a tripod/monopod. The Talus comes in medium and large sizes for a good fit.
I paid around $125 new but I have seen copies on eBay for as low as $45. If you are patient packs in really good shape show up. Being carry-on size it's my fave bug-out travel daypack.
I agree. When I use a backpack, I use the MindShift Backlight 18L...The 18L capacity is enough to fit my A7R IV, 14-24mm f/2.8, 28-75mm f/2.8, 70-180mm f/2.8, 90mm macro and 11mm fisheye, plus a laptop, filters (including my Nisi S5 for my 14-24), water bottle, cards, batteries and a travel tripod on the back.
I can't imagine ever wanting to have something larger than that in the field...that's already quite a lot of gear. Now, for transporting a full kit to and from a city or something, maybe...but not for actually using in the field while hiking, which is where a backpack comes in most handy. Only time I'd want something larger (and it would be just a little larger) is if I was going to be shooting wildlife, so I'd want my 150-600mm in there, which would be a hard sell with the 18L.
I also like about my 18L that it's not only small enough to be a carryon...it's small enough to count as a personal item in addition to a normal carryon.
The Photohiker 44 looks interesting for, well, hiking & landscape. The idea of a real suspension system integrated with photography specific features is intriguing. But 1.7 kg for a (presumably) 44 L bag? And that's without the "photocubes." More than a full lb heavier than an Osprey Talon 44 L.
Cut to chase please. Which pack, if any: Is designed for hiking with ergonomic design and appropriate straps; Allows for accessing camera and lenses without taking the pack off or risking dumping photo gear on the ground; and, Is large enough for photography equipment ~and~ hiking gear such as a fleece, gor-tex, and a gallon of water? Thank you.
Getting access to contents without taking the backpack off, isn't really possible with any kind of larger backpack with the exception of smaller stuff in side pockets like a water bottle or small items in hip belt pockets. If you really want access without having to take a backpack off, you need to use accessories like the Peak Design Capture Clip that are attached to the belt or the shoulder strap of the backpack. Of course, once you kit out your setup with such accessories taking off your backpack becomes even more of a hassle. Using my arrangement I have to: 1) Unclip chest strap (which releases the Luma Loop that is connected to the camera) 2) Release the camera from the Capture clip and put it down onto the ground. 3) Do the same with another belt mount pouch. 4) Unclip hip belt.
The new Shimoda Action X30, smaller than the Explore 40 with extremely convenient side door access, and expandable roll-top compartment for food and clothing, and a very comfortable harness system, potentially meets your requirements, Bob. It depends on how much photo gear you want to bring. If you were using a large DSLR, you'd want the Action X50, which is deeper than the X30. For the water, I would probably take a bottle which I would keep in the large side pocket and a bladder which I would use to refill the bottle.
Thanks for the ideas. So far I haven't found anything acceptable/affordable, and will continue using a two-bag system until I come across something good.
That's exactly the wrong idea, a boxy flat design. Whoever came up with that doesn't hike much. It's also not obvious how to quickly stash the camera or change lenses without completely removing the pack, but I'll keep investigating that angle.
Take a look at the Mindshift backpacks....they allow for accessing the gear without removing the pack. Worked great for me in the dunes at Death Valley, where setting the bag down would be a bad idea.
@MoreGooderPhotos @JConrad The Rotation packs come with significant tradeoffs. Yes, access to the gear stored in the rotating pouch is simple when you're wearing the pack but it is a PITA when you're not wearing it. The capacity of the rotating pouch is limited (except in the really big, heavy one) so you may have to remove the pack anyway to get to gear in the other compartment. The packs are heavier than competing models with similar capacities. And they are less comfortable to carry than the best Shimoda, F-Stop, and more traditional Mindshift bags because the hip belt, which should concentrate the weight of the pack on your hips, is not fixed to the bag but rather to the rotating pouch. This allows the main pack to kind of sag away from your back. I say this having owned two of them. To be clear, I'm not saying the Rotation series are bad bags. They could be someone's perfect bag. But there is a reason they remain a curiosity rather than a mainstream choice.
@tlinn Im not talking about the Rotation line, but the backlight line. The waist belt is fixed to the bag and I have none of the issues you describe with it.
@tlinn Sorry that you didn't like your Rotation packs. To each their own I suppose. I don't find it heavy at all. Perhaps it's not the lightest out there, but that's not why I bought it. Quick access of the camera during a fleeting moment is possible with the rotation packs. It's important to me. I also found that I can make the weight of the pack rest on my hips by loosening the upper straps, thus making the pack longer in overall height from the shoulders. Perhaps your midsection is taller than mine. Anyway, thanks for your feedback. Tallyho!
I really like this backpack comparison, especially all the water tests. However, I'm surprised there are no candidates from LowePro, ThinkTank/Mindshift, Tamrac, or Tenba. I'd be interested in seeing the "kiddie pool test" results for all those!
Yeah I thought it was weird that they left those out. I use a lot of Think Tank stuff professionally. My Airport Security roller has been dragged to weddings for three years now and it still works as good as new. I've had Tenba, Tamrac, and LowePro stuff over the years and it's all top notch as well. They may not be as flashy or trendy as some of the brands here but I would bet they would all outlast these when used daily.
Agree. Previous bag reviews on DPR have shown some deeply flawed designs at silly prices, with no comparison with the obvious alternative like a LowePro or Tamrac. It's like DPReview wants to actively promote niche designer products while actively ignoring better value bags... which is strange since they'll happily do articles on any cheap and featureless budget lens.
I enjoyed the video but was surprised to see that Mindshift Gear wasn't mentioned. Their Rotation 180 Horizon has been my hiking buddy for 4 years now, and I absolutely love it. Its quite durable as well.
Thought I'd save the money and just got an assistant to carry all my stuff for me.
You might think that what I didn't spend on one of these bags wouldn't pay for that many hours of carry. Not true. I'm not paying anything, using modern economic psychology, I got them to volunteer for "the exposure"!
When it comes to photo backpacks, I have only two candidates (after a lifetime of buying and selling backpacks): ThinkTank Streetwalker Harddrive (v1 or v2) and GuraGear Kiboko 30L (or Bataflae 32). None of the 6 bags of the video can accomodate all the gear I usually carry in those backpacks, and I don't believe in mixed use backpacks like FStop. If I need to bring a camera and two lenses, almost every non photographic backpack will do (with a bit of tweaking). If I need a dedicated photo backpack, this means I have a lot of gear to carry...
Agreed. I have an old Lowepro backpack for carrying a lot of gear. I switch to a Marmot Talus climbing daypack for travel, etc. (I posted a detailed description of the Talus above.)
As usual, my favorite, and IMO the best, has been omitted. (I've reviewed most of these, too.)
Mindshift! Best backpacks I've ever used. Incredibly comfortable, very versatile lineup, some of the best options around.
The fact that you describe the PD TB as "comfortable" makes me grimace in pain to remember my experience with it. I spent four days with it and ~35 lbs of gear, and by the 2nd day I was dying, taking it off and setting it down at every possible moment. The shoulder straps were some of the least comfortable I've ever hoisted, and there's essentially no waist belt support whatsoever since the design allows it to rotate up and hide under the backpack's padding flaps.
The modular design was extremely frustrating to deal with, too; I wound up just leaving all access points closed except the main rear one, because un-zipping any other access point led to the backpack becoming misshapen enough that zipping it closed again required setting the bag down and wrangling it...
Peak Design is an interesting case. They make aesthetically-pleasing bags that are extremely well-marketed. Every time they introduce something new, the entire internet seems to mobilize to promote it, mostly likely the result of financial incentives combined with the fact that the folks who work there seem to be very nice, likeable people. Yet my experience is similar to yours; they very often fall short in terms of actual performance.
No doubt Mindshift makes great bags. The feature set isn't there for my needs but I wouldn't hesitate to buy one if it was.
I've actually loved all their products, until the 45L travel backpack.
Their overall quality is incredible, and the uniqueness of their bag designs is usually very attractive, not just from an aesthetic standpoint, but also practically. They've solved a good number of the common complaints I've always had about other bags.
But, plain and simple, their travel backpack is NOT made for carrying a full load of gear any further than from an Uber to a hotel room. Even walking all the way through a large airport will become painful after 30-45 minutes.
generally speaking, I don't mind if a backpack is very large, or overweight. It's all about the hip support, the padding, and the strap adjustments. Bags like Mindshift and Shimoda have massive hip belts that actually take the weight off your shoulders, and their shoulder straps are fully adjustable for taller and shorter people.
Almost none of the reviewed packs are suitable for any hiking with camera gear. Almost none of them are actually even suitable for any traveling with camera gear. Most of these packs are just wrong to carry any weight at all, if you care about your health in the long run.
I have a Lowepro, 2 thinktank (1 is an airport suitcase size), 2 kata (now Manfrotto), peak design, Wandrd, and some sling bag I got in Japan called Luxxe, Tenba sling. For most photography shoot I take the light 3in1 kata or kata bumblebee for more gear. Wandrd replaced my peak design as my professional work backpack (or for a sling, I use the Luxxe). Lowepro and thinktank I use as storage now. Tenba sling is for video gears, but I don't do video much. Most come with a plastic rain cover (but I lost a few of the covers if it isn't built-in)
Basically I have no favorite bag. Maybe the Kata for photography used the most. Wandrd best for a office bag that can carry a camera. Peak Design is just too small.
I have to agree about WANDRD. The PRVKE 21 is probably the closest thing to a perfect bag for my needs. It's a great everyday carry that also works effectively for day hikes in the wilderness and excels as a travel day pack.
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