Title fight! In one corner we have the new Olympus E-M1 Mark III. In the other is the Panasonic G9 – two years old, but sporting an impressive mid-life firmware update. Find out who wins the battle for Micro Four Thirds supremacy!
Why didn't they mention the IPx1 rating in the bells and whistles category? The weather resistance actually being rated to a international standard is definitely a a whistle for me!
I had the Olympus but now the G9. This video review has a bit of an Olympus bias IMHO but believe both of the cameras are the best m43 has ever produced to date and the best one is the one you like the most for your purposes. In 2020/21 the price of the G9 puts some distance between the two in terms of being the better value proposition.
It would be nice if they compared one or both of these with an equivalent camera that didn't have the ugly faux pentaprism on the top. Pentaprisms were necessary for SLR, of course, but were ugly in the last century and seem even uglier now when that bump is unnecessary (and is in the wrong place, whether you are left- or right-eye dominant). <sigh>
Thank you, caver! I wish I could see that sentiment splashed across the body of every article that's been published lately here on DPR. There was a time when a number of small comfortable u43rd's body's received the plaudits they were due, but not anymore. Amazon must follow the profits.
I thought this comparison review was excellent. I forgot how old the g9 is! I wonder when the g11 will come along (they already had a g10), as that might leapfrog the Olympus. The news about Olympus pulling out of some markets is worrying.
There's a lot of FUD about the future of Olympus cameras because of their new owners. I hope they continue to invest, and thus encourage innovation and competition in the m43rds space.
I used to think that way and then I purchased an E-M1 III. LiveND and HHHR are game changers. I would never purchase a camera without IBIS in 2020 and I can't go back to carrying filters or tripods either.
If not, what are they for??? And I automatically apologize.
If all the "beeps" are for what beeps usually are for... why? Can't the guy get through a few minutes without words that must be beeped? His first one makes me worry. His second beep ends his review - for me. A limited vocabulary(The reason for almost all beeped words.) goes along with a limited mind... I'll get my reviews elsewhere.
Urgh, you people. It's just "four thirds", not "micro four thirds". The "micro" was just part of an advertising campaign to highlight to people that, since these cameras lacked a mirror, they could be smaller. "Micro" became irrelevant once the industry coined "mirrorless" to cover all such cameras, regardless of brand. The format is "four thirds"; "micro" is just advertising.
Micro was a marketing choice, for the lens mount, implying the camera system was smaller, but I think it back fired with a misconception from some (originally) that the sensor was tiny. I really think "Mirrorless Four Thirds" would be a better choice of name. ;)
NOT having silent shutter....E-shutter, for “longer than 1 second” is unacceptable on the G9 as you can still get camera shake for longer lenses. I use silent shutter for almost all of my photography, and don’t have to switch over in menus for tripod mounted work on my EM1II. Why Panasonic?? A serious omission. Unsurprisingly though the EM1 III is “unlimited silent shutter!
After changing systems (Pentax, Nikon, Sony and Fujifilm) over the past 8 years I settled on M4/3 for my needs about 2 years ago. I've an EM1-MkII and Pen-F now and could not be happier. I chose Olympus as I appreciate design/build quality and to me they are unequalled in the industry. Panasonic make great bodies/lenses but it's Oly for me. Oh, the Olympus Pro lenses are something else, and to me the main reason to choose Oly.
The only thing that bugs me about the G9 is the very sensitive shutter button. It's so easy to go past half-press and take a photo, or switch off video recording when you're trying to refocus. Setting up back-button focus deals with this, but the shutter is still so tricky! Apart from that, the G9 is a superb camera with excellent menu system, great ergonomics and haptics, and highly versatile video functions. I haven't tried the E-M1 III, but I have an E-M5 which I still enjoy.
Amen to that. I was strongly considering the G9 against the Fuji XT3. It was a really close run thing - compactness, ergonomics, Leica-licensed lenses - and in the end it was that super-annoying over-sensitive shutter button on the G9 that clinched it; I just couldn't get on with it. I'm now a happy XT3 owner - well, happy except for the irritating whine emitted by the new 16-80, but that's another story... ;-)
Dig around in the Custom Menu. There are options for the shutter release there. With the GX8, it’s Page 2: Half Press Release
Half Press Release Controls the action of the shutter release button. The shutter release has a two stage action, rather like the trigger of a gun. Press the release and there is a detente half way. Press a bit harder and the shutter fires.
For instance, with HPR disabled you can half-press the shutter to focus and recompose, or simply pre-focus before shooting.
I think you did a great job covering the high points in your comparison. I started out with a Panasonic m4/3's a couple generations back, then switched to Olympus. I really like the Olympus cameras, and like you said, some of the specialty features really stand out when you start using them. I just hope Olympus has the financial strength to stay in the game. I was really hoping for the EVF upgrade this generation. I just bought a Mk III body. Hopefully, there will be a Mk IV with that EVF upgrade.
The current king of M43 is E-M5 Mk3, because its small and compact. Which is the entire point behind M43. Until a new GM or PM comes out, E-M5 Mk3 is best.
I still use a g6 (with the hack to unlock unlimited recording time and 1080p60 instead of 1080p50 in the UK), and my backup body is the gf5 which is truly almost too small, but body itself slips into a jacket pocket.
Does anyone get the feeling the industry is pushing us towards professional video? It's getting so that the only way to get good stills is to pay for a professional video camera.
Canon, Sony and Nikon make superb stills cameras that incidentally shoot decent video. That a person can use those cameras for professional video is not the primary selling point.
The only Canon stills camera that is intended for professional video is the 1Dc, but even that camera lacks waveform, zebra exposure tools, XLR ports etc. The EOS R and 1DX III still lack industry standard features.
Of the mirrorless cameras, only Panasonic and Sony make hybrid stills/video cameras intended directly for professional video use: the GH5/GH5S, the S1H, and the A7S II. The rest of their mirrorless lines lack pro features: the Panasonic G9 has no zebras or waveform, nor any XLR input even through an add on.
The camera industry is catering to an increasing market of people who want high quality video, but don't require features like time sync, XLR ports, raw recording, log profiles, etc. Yes, these cameras can be used for professional video, but they aren't pro video cameras.
Well, thing is micro 43 cannot offer IQ improvements beyond a certain point so what makes the difference between the mid range cameras (like a Gx9) and the top tiers are the bells and whistles, among which video capabilities. It's not that you have to pay a premium for top video, it's just that the high end camera does have to offer everything possible while still remaining within the limited shooting envelope (I say this as an exclusive micro 43 user).
"The rest of their mirrorless lines lack pro features: the Panasonic G9 has no zebras or waveform, nor any XLR input even through an add on." The G9 does have zebras (as does most Panasonic cameras, even low end ones like GX850). It also has waveforms now with the new upgrade key (which adds V-log also). It's true however it doesn't have an XLR input option (while GH5 does with an optional accessory).
I think historically Canon got a surprise hit with the 5D as a hybrid camera, but they failed to capitalize on it (rather their Pro Video division pushed them to cripple some functions). Sony and Panasonic however saw the importance of video and ran with it (even possibly with objection from their Pro Video division).
@Ironfilm Totally agreed. Without these video features a lot of the cameras today would not be able to support their sales.
@Ironfilm If you look at top of of G9 you will see it is missing the 5th power pin on the hotshoe that is required to supply power to the XLR accessory. So a firmware update won't fix it unless that accessory has other means to get external power. For same reason, battery-less flashes like FL-LM3 will not work on G9.
I own an S1R, and I recently rented an E-M1 MKIII. There is way too much hype/hysteria placed on these EVF's. I never once felt the EVF of the E-M1 MKIII was lacking, and conversely, I am not as impressed with the S1R's EVF as all of the hype has led me to believe I should be.
IMHO, they both get the job done well. All of the hype/hysteria on these EVF's seems to be brought on by too much "Spec Sheet Peeping".
Not an ND filter as such, but an emulation of its effect. It takes a series of pictures and combines them, works very well and it’s a really creative feature to have - not only for your typical ND filter photography, ie moving water
If it matters - and it does to me- another point in favor of the Panasonic G9 is that Panasonic offers a three year warranty with this camera as a permanent "promotion" whereas Olympus offers one year.
Also, the fact that you can buy it for 1K€/$ if you watch sales, or for 900 if you are willing to go gray. Nothing can approach the G9 with these prices.
While we're in fantasy land, I'm crossing my fingers that Panasonic makes a GM6 with the sensor of the GH5S. Imagine how that would make the low light performance of the slow kit lens a non-issue. You'd have a truly useful pocketable interchangeable lens camera.
Panasonic is the clear winner. I wanted to add a Micro Four Thirds system to my Sony Fullframe cameras. I tested both Olympus and Lumix. Lumix is so much better in ergonomics and sheer playfulness.
Bang on with the comment about ergonomics. Before purchasing my G9 last year I read a number of reviews, and they all lauded the E-M1II for its ergonomics and size, while almost universally complaining about the almost APS-C or FF level size of the G9. I went into the store having decided to purchase the Olympus body, but had a bit of time to play with the G9 too. The difference in how comfortable the Panasonic was to hold, as opposed to the popular view, surprised me. Despite most of my lenses being Olympus I ended up buying the G9 just because it fit my hand far better and burnt a far smaller hole in my pocket.
You really need to hold each camera to understand what it is like. We all have different hands, finger and thumb shapes and sizes. One size never fits all.
Excellent video, one of the best yet from Chris & Jordan.
I was kinda hoping that a clear winner would emerge, but I'm in exactly the same position as I was before watching the video - if I was going to get an M43, I really just don't know which of these two cameras I'd choose.
Just choose one. It doesn't matter. I chose Olympus simply for nostalgic reasons. Back in the day I yearned for the beautiful OM-1 but couldn't afford it so it was a no brainer for me. If you like Panasonic TVs then go for the Pana.
enjoyed your panasonic olymous review but one thing you didn,t mention was the in camera focus stacking system of the g9 i use it very often, it is great.
I'm not an MFT user but I believe both systems have that functionality. Definitely falls under bells and whistles a lot of users wouldn't miss. I believe for some models it works well also hand held. Worth mentioning in the full review.
My 2016 EM1 mark II has focus stacking and focus bracketing, and so does the mark III, along with hand held resolution. MTF shooters are simply spoiled for choice 😃
Oly has changed everything for me. I was about ready to give up on the hobby. I just couldn't carry all the Canon stuff any longer. Panasonic makes great cameras but the post -purchase support from Oly is so much better that they would really have to screw the pooch for me to switch now.
The review was slightly OLYMPUS biased. A camera costing twice the price of its competitor can’t be only HHHR better than... The fact that it’s ‘sexier’ doesn’t add value and it’s on the personal, truthfully.
Also, I find the additional features such as post focus and 6k Photo add a huge load of value....
@Felice62 - Where Chris and Jordan are located, the Oly is not "twice the price" of the Panasonic. Chris also states "if it (Panasonic) lost at all, it was by tiny margins". He then goes on to extol the value of the G9. Chris also notes features other than HHHR that make him like the Oly more.
@Raynaud really don't think I am. I still have quite a bit of olympus Gear and I love using it. But when you put face to face these cameras you still have to take into consideration what the give you for the money. I was ready to pull the trigger on the m1.3 but the lacking of a better evf (and believe me: once you see through g9's you'll notice the difference..) and the fact that 2 major upgrades later it still lacks a serious tracking AF, well, this put me down. I am not ready to spend 1500€ for HHHR alone. The G9 offers mosr everything else the m1.3 does inan ergonomically better package (and yes my hands are probably larger than Chris's). Cheers
The G9 is the smarter purchase by far if you look at the (street) prices, and also if you think that Oly menus designed by trained chimps (at best) are a crime against humanity (as I do). Before accusing me of brand bias, 80% of my investment in photography is in Olympus lenses, so no.
That was fun to watch, thanks again. You missed a couple of the strongest features of the E-M1iii though. Other reviewers for video and stills are finding the facial recognition AF to be very good, Canon Dual Pixel good. Also, that EVF refresh rate makes it among the best for framing moving subjects. Poor camera didn't even get a chance to work up a sweat in this challenge.
I sometimes feel that there is some misunderstanding about the capabilities of the MFT cameras. In the last 5 years, this format has become more than good for many applications, including (see the link below) landscape. If you are printing 36 inches by 24 inches, as this guy shows, this is quite adequate. For many applications (such as sports and fast moving objects, or poorly lit situations also needing high shutter speed to freeze movement or situations needing continuous focus with high hit rate) there are better cameras.
I own a G9 and a mkII. I really liked the features and PDAF on the mkII. Since I often shoot 2 cameras, I got the G9 as my second camera based on price. At events, I found myself using the G9 more because of how well it picked out faces. When shooting wildlife, I expected the PDAF would make a great difference. However comparing the G9 and mkII, I found a better hit rate with G9 (latest firmware). When I pick up one camera to go out and shot with or to take to family gathering it is the G9 that I pick up. It just feels better to me. Perhaps the best way to chose would be to shoot one for a full day and see which feels best. With a 100-400 lens, at the end of a full day shooting, my hands feel better with the G9. And, no matter what the IBIS numbers are, I can personally hold the G9 steadier which enables a slower shoot. It is just hard to tell how I will bond with a camera until I use it for awhile. I still prefer the Oly for rafting and foul weather use.
The problem with the Olympus mkII is there are to many features which slow down both the frame rate and AF. such as using the fast frame rate for the EVF, the small focus points. IBIS. and a few others, turn these off and the AF is quicker,
Your findings are exactly the same as mine. Despite the Oly300 +2TC combination appearing to be steadier through the vf on the EM1 2 than on the G9, the number of keepers from the G9 combo is greater than the Oly. The EM1 2 seems to have problems with low contrast subjects at a distance, for example deer against a hillside (no matter what the AF settings). The G9 has no problems with that scenario.
Richandhiscat: when faced with a extreme low contrast situation, it's best to switch the E-M1.2 to S-AF which is CDAF. Based on what we see with the G9 and E-M1.2 it does seem CDAF is better than on-sensor PDAF in these circumstances. On the other hand PDAF is hard to beat in other circumstances, so it can be good to have access to both.
I'm a bit surprised by the results of the stabilization comparison. Either the G9 is really that good or it should be possible to get better results with Olympus, based on my experience with E-M1 II + 12-100mm. I tried Dual IS on GX9 and I was getting better results from a E-PL at wide angle. Also Dual IS is giving different results depending on the lens. How about IBIS with a prime lens?
Not if you were using the 12-100. In that case you would have been using OIS only.
Panasonic stabilization rules:
- with Dual-IS compatible Panasonic lenses: Dual IS (version 1 or 2 depending on lens and/or camera) - with lenses that have OIS but are not Dual IS compatible (the few Olympus lenses with OIS, certain first-generation Panasonic OIS lenses): you get OIS or nothing, no choice. - with unstabilized lenses, including adapted all-manual lenses: IBIS only
@FunGuy66: I tried with 12-35mm 2.8 mark I, 35-100mm f2.8 mark II. With the Panaleica 12-60mm I was seeing funny stuff, like 1/4s would give good results at 60mm but I could not get slower than that at 12mm.
@tkbslc: sure, but my question is, how much better? as I was mentioning I was getting sometimes more consistent results with a E-PL, which is priced lower than GX9. Basically, since I have a few Pana lenses that can do Dual IS, do I sell my E-M1 II for a G9?
Strange question, why do we ever need longer exposure ? well, when there is not enough light and/or we want to keep our ISO at a manageable level. Otherwise, it's also great to be able to take handheld pictures of waterfall or fireworks. Not something for everyday, but I find it great for traveling, you can just leave that 12-100mm on the camera all the time.
If Panasonic had Sony A6600 class AF it would be a no brainer for sure. Even as it is it’s great if you don’t shoot fast action sports or wildlife. I can’t get over how Olympus is still putting crap EVF’s in their flagships, even the EM-1X and AF-C still not a scratch on Sony A6400, 6500, 6600 let alone Nikon D500. Such a shame as it’s featured packed, but people who think Sony menus are bad haven’t used Olympus, simply woeful.
Too bad Olympus won’t ever make cameras with larger sensor, their ergonomics and design are superb, imagine FF Olympus with Sony AF, Panasonic video, Canon menus, and 5.7MP EVF.
Try that evf out. I got swept up with the disappointment too, but when I tried it, contrary to reviewers have said. It is actually superb. Very nice for tracking fast subjects and showing accurate colours. I now think Oly were right to use this evf.
with todays processing power in cameras, high resolution EVF are a marketing trick. You can't have both high res and high fps with current camera processors, maybe in the future. High res EVFs usually drop their fps and resolution when in continuous scanning and CAF.
the Olympus EVF is the best EVF in the market for tracking and panning. It's has 120 fps during CAF and 0,005 second lag which other cameras such as the eos R and nikon Z can't do with their EVF. In higher resolution EVFs the refresh rate drops from 60 to 30 and lag time above 0,025 second which make panning and tracking very difficult and unpleasant.
I invite you to try rapid movements with the eos R and Z6 (the two models I've tried) and you will understand why refresh rate is more important than resolution for some people, specially for wildlife and outdoor photography.
EM1 III AF is pretty good actually. From the real users I have read and watched, I assume it is 95% of what A6600 can do which is fantastic. That EVF is also great thanks to very high refresh rate. It is also not that small, still bigger than most FF DSLR OVF's.
Ah yeah, didn't see the wild comment about the AF. First couple shots in a fast-moving sequence are OOF (that's just how it works), but from then it's brilliant. I've been practicing on pigeons at full speed (~80mph), and am pretty confident OP has no experience with this camera.
Similar to almost every other comparison i have made myself, the newer is usually more capable, while the discounts on the older one make it a better bargain. But it's good to see MFT getting some attention.
I love Panasonic cameras and have owned a few. I currently have the EM1 MKIII. I can't wait to see the Panasonic G9 replacement. I bet it kicks you know what.
It seems the best choice is the Olympus in 6 months. Knocking $200 off shows they are not yet aware of the pandemic and it's effects on the economy, on travel and on photo hobbyists. Once they exhaust the supply of early adopters, I hope they will get real. But they still want $900 for Pen F which is lovely camera but in the digital world, it's an oldie.
That's still cheaper by $200 over the 1m2 at launch. And let's face it, how many photographers are affected by the pandemic? Photography isn't a cheap hobby so I would bet few people in the hobby are as in desperation mode as hourly employees.
2JoeA7R2 they have no plans to be in this business in the long run and the volume in the industry is dropping like a rock. So they cannot give you bargain basement price and hope to make it up on either present volume or future lifetime purchases of the customers
For a company that "have no plans to be in this business in the long run", it seems pretty crazy to expand the Vietnam factory, release so many new bodies and expand the range of lenses. If Olympus follows past trends, cashbacks, lens bundles, and bonus bundled accessories should be forthcoming not too far down the track. An extra accessory offer is already happening in my local market. Older bodies such as the E-M1X already have decent cashbacks or discounts.
Osa25, interpret it any way you want, but cashbacks, discounts and other offers have been plentiful, right up to this morning, and I don't see the E-M1 III being an exception once it's aged a bit in the market.
Don’t think they mentioned, but the G9 has a faster readout speed and the E shutter is actually usable, no shutter life issues. Video features are quite a bit ahead of Olympus. CDAF is fairly usable in practice, whatever Panasonic did, works well. Super would be the Sony system. The pana G9 is a stupid functional camera.
How fast is the readout on the G9? It’s around 1/60s on the E-M1 II and III, which I find sufficiently usable that I pretty much only use the electronic shutter. The few times I have used the mechanical shutter, it was by mistake.
Incorrect . . . The readout speed of the G9 isn't faster than the E-M1iiii's or for that matter, the E-M1ii (both 1/60 sec.) And the CDAF has problems with erratic subject movement and EVF wobble (in sequential shooting).
Olympus clearly said, in releasing the E-M1 Mk2, that the EVF readout speed is 120 fps (and the lag 6 ms). So I dispute the above claim that the Mk3 is 60 fps.
The G9 EVF is 120 fps and 5 ms lag, so basically a draw.
I suspect that the EVF refresh rate is achieved by not doing a full readout since resolution does not matter too much for the 2.4 MP panel (and the power consumption for a full readout at a constant 120 fps would likely be scandalous). For full RAW readout, the value given by most sources is around 1/60 s (16 ms). Some of those sources claim that the value comes from Olympus themselves but I could not find anything about that on their website.
@TN Args did you check the article? Looks like proper measurement to me, I did something similar to measure my G9, with 240 hz lighting and different cameras with known base value.
Sure but then you just change aperture on body like with any other lens. Not even that many Panasonic have rings so it’s not like you make a habit of using the lens aperture ring.
For me, they are almost Tweedledum and Tweedledee. It would likely come down to nitpicking about how it feels in the hand, the viewfinder experience and lens choices,... and $$$.
I'm actually a lot more excited by what Olympus has done with the handheld high res mode on the EM1.III than anything I've seen from any full frame manufacturer lately. Bringing smartphone tricks into the ILC world to achieve handheld, better-than-full-frame (on static subjects) results.
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Sony has announced the a9 III: the first full-frame camera to use a global shutter sensor. This gives it the ability to shoot at up to 120 fps with flash sync up to 1/80,000 sec and zero rolling shutter.
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