I asked Richard about that Dust Issue..this is his reply from yesterday:

Hi Marc,

thanks for the email and reading/watching my LX100-II review.

I didn't notice any lens dust issue during my brief (weeks) usage of LX100 II but Panasonic also told me its the same lens as LX100 so...

Having said that, when I spoke to some LX100 owners, most of them didn't notice (or even know about) the dust issue so I have a feeling it could be an issue most LX100 users don't really experience?

Richard

Superior to actual cameras?

Hahahahaha

Do you not understand how physics work?
Do you not look at smartphone images at 100%?

They’ll do in a pinch, but for anything other than social media the images are pure garbage.

We can't deny the immemse amount of dynamic range in the latest phones like the XS, and the coolness of the simulated DOF, and if these cameras include these things IN TOP of good sensors like this one, we'd see a huge leap!

The dynamic range in even the newest iPhone is horrible. Was not even impressed in the least by its images.

My iPhone 7 is awesome if expectations are kept reasonable.

It basically never clips highlights or shadows! The power of image stacking.

Bring on the LX100 III or LX200.

Maybe in 2021 or 22?

i wish i knew what you were talking about

To my eye, the dynamic range looks the same as it has been, extracted, from a sensor of such kin. I don’t understand how that compares to any computational device. The succession of low end iphones that I have used it’s been sheite. Utter ignorance, i tell you.

Gal - I like the sound of that.

No doubt. I use my $500 OnePlus 6 now instead of 1" sensor G7X, even in low light OP6 produces better results. So unfortunate standalone camera makers aren't smartening up. Won't be buying another standalone camera until they do, which looks like possibly never based on the current scene.

Obviously lower end mobiles generally won't keep up, but the newer generation flagships are already ahead.

redtailboas, Exactly.
In my opinion, the only reason to get a standalone camera right now is zoom (and I mean 200mm and above).

@gal, I sort of agree about zoom being the biggest reason for most people to get a stand-alone camera—but anything much beyond 50mm equiv. (and only about 12MP) is beyond what any phone offers, so the zoom of this already does a lot more than any phone so far

To be fair, the new Pixel3 now does exposure stacking (HDR+) with Raws so the old noise reduction issues should be taken care of. The lens is still crap quality compared to a good compact.

@Gal, me too: I would settle for a bit less than you, but I still want about 4X or 5X in a walk-around lens (so reaching about 100mm to 120mm FOV equivalent); this 3X seems rather "niche", especially now that the "bokeh" advantage is diminishing. But I can see why some photographers will still really like the speed advantage over a phone that the "normal to long" part of this lens's range offers.

Yes, Elvis IS dead.

I'm not an everyday English speaker, maybe I chose wrong word. Thank for you explanation.
What I am trying to say is Dpreview's sample galleries don't represent the camera's essential imaging character or quality, for the most of time. The pictures they take look "flat "and "non-emotional", they just look like any other camera or cellphone.
I don't agree ergonomics is the essential character to differentiate a camera and a Google/Apple phone. I think m43/aps-c SOOC quality (color rendering and ISO performance) is far beyond any cellphone including Google Pixel according to my own experience on these devices. Sensor size still matters.

@Alexstaytrue, your English is very good, keep it up man.

@Alexstaytrue
Your english is fine, you were just confronted by an a*hole. Probably a fat one, with a goatee

@lakkot And you took it to another level, a level of personal insult without having to say anything meanigful on a subject of OP. A keyboard warior who has nothing to say but insult others. As always, such a comment says nothing about me but a lot about you. Bravo, hope you are happy now.

@Vit Adamek
I knew you were a fat goatee guy!!!

@Vit Adamek
Your butthurtness is so strong i can hear your anus tear, please stop Big Nipps!!!!

Adobe should have just released a new version of its DNG converter, and the Panasonic is one of the new cameras to receive support.

@mcshan nope, if you are still using LR as stsnd alond editor, like me, the only way to use new camera files is to convert them in DNG files through Adobe DNG converter.
I do it with a7iii files.
I’ve been told by a friend that I’m loosing IQ in this way, but I have never found a proof. Maybe here someone can tell.
Capture One strips out great IQ from Sony RAW files, but I’m still used (and quicker) working on the old LR 6.xx.
It’s simply a one more step: convert the files and save them on the same sd card or where you prefer, then import them in LR and work as usual.

I would be dare to say that Panasonic has best touchscreen implementation of any brand. I use it to select focus point all the time, and especially touchpad focus point selection when looking through viewfinder is very useful.

If your gear list is up to date, probably unsurprising. that you think it's great.

For me, the problem is that the lens/sensor has been noticeably blurry compared to the RX100 series - though obviously lighting a bigger sensor, and the LX100 MkI shots are now perilously close in terms of definition to current smartphones.

EDIT: Mine's shipped! Woohoo

Maybe you got a bad copy? I seem to recall that people were raving about this lens' sharpness when it came out, and surely 16MP isn't too much for it. (And no, I might not own the latest gear, but I've used it, and sharpness—vs resolution—isn't really something that's able to "advance" like other aspects of IQ. We all know what perfectly sharp images look like :) )

ValveBone:

The Fuji X100F doesn't have a zoom lens.

A fine camera, not exactly a competitor.

I looked at the Canon but the lens is quite slow. Especially out.

It’s still unbelievable to me that Nikon cancelled this uniquely interesting camera of all the weird, generic, and daft things the company puts on the market in a typical year.

Well, some one will make a DL-18-50 one day as there are already having countless 1" or larger sensor small P&S started with 24mm.

Dust spotting is a problem with every single fixed lens camera on the market, with the except of fully-sealed waterproof dive cameras with internal periscope optics.

Anyone considering an expensive fixed lens should be realistic about their expectations for use cases (i.e. use in dusty conditions, storage in unclean pockets), their willingness to baby their camera (i.e. carrying it in a lint-proof bag), the longevity they expect from the camera, and their tolerance for visible sensor spotting when the camera is going to be used stopped-down a little bit.

i said decent, or put another way,tremendously exceeding any and all things the lx100ll can do It excels in only one area

its compact, has very nice enthusiast-centric controls and a serviceable [ but sadly field seq.]EVF
i said decent,not earth shaking, so here a few

gx85 w\ 12-32 pancake \45-150mm long zoom [300mm equiv] $597.00
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1398407-REG/panasonic_dmc_gx85wk_lumix_dmc_gx85_mirrorless_micro.html

a6000 w 16-50mm \ 55-210mm free card extra battery $748.00
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1381662-REG/sony_alpha_a6000_mirrorless_digital.html

em-10 markll w 14-42mm \40-150mm $848.00
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1340519-REG/olympus_v207051bu010_lk_om_d_e_m10_mark_ii.html

canon eos m10 - 14-42\40-150mm lenses
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1188038-REG/canon_0584c031_eos_m10_mirrols_w_15_45_55_200.html

and those are just "kits" creative shoppers who are informed can buy a la carte as well ...lol

and just because a single lens and body can also be very compelling and a tremendous value

heres a lovely sigma Quattro 29mp with a 30mm f 1.4 art lens for ... 899
dollars .....wow !

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1261907-REG/sigma_zl900_sd_quattro_mirrorless_digital.html

i maintain this new lx100ll should be about 600 usd, not a penny more!

cosin:

Really you know better than that.

All of those lenses in the links are slow, nothing optically remarkable, but the lens in the LX100 is very good, and not slow.

(Frankly, I didn't expect you to post such.)

Now this kit from Pentax does have a lens to compete with that in the LX100, but it's only one lens in the kit. Note the price:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1322665-REG/pentax_kp_dslr_camera_with.html

Here's a Pentax KP kit with a good lens of fixed focal length closer in price to the LX100 II:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1388506-REG/pentax_kp_dslr_camera_with.html

Now of course the Pentax KP is not a strong video camera, nor is it compact, but it's better for higher ISO work than the Panasonic LX100 II.

There doesn't seem to be a Pentax K70, a less expensive body than the KP, with an optically very good kit lens of either zoom or fixed focal length.

cosin:

That Sigma is unusable above base ISO.

Sigma has had big problems with the Quattro sensor and strange noise; for some reason its worse with the ILC Quattros.

You are correct that is a very nice lens with the Sigma kit, but it sure ain't a compact system. Nor can it shoot any video.

Today, in Oct 2018: You can get the Panasonic LX100 Mark I for 600usd from B+H. This one extends the warranty for 3 years.:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1082158-REG/panasonic_lumix_dmc_lx100_digital_camera.html

i stand by my point that these are all decent kits and except for the sony the entry level zooms are all good .... not in a different league as the lx100 lens as you seem to suggest ..
any of these standard zooms can of course be stopped down and frankly will leave the cropped m43 sensor behind
they are an order of magnitude beyond this little panny and offer real lenses i an appx 28 to 300 mm equiv range

the old lx100 while a cool little cam has rather low resolution yet on par with my x30 which i really like

i walk around with a fuji x30 [ 599 on release ]alot with a 58sqmm 2\3 sensor[ not 1\2.3]
and i love the quality and build of the lens mechanism and quality
its only 12 mp but with legs... i love small cameras ... but charging obscene amouts for them not so much

cosin:

Some of the kitzooms are optically good. Not one is fast.

"the old lx100 while a cool little cam has rather low resolution yet on par with my x30 which i really like"

Really pixel counting?

That Fuji X30 has a smaller sensor.

One thing for sure.... dust on the sensor is a problem easily solved on an ILC. You just clean the sensor yourself, or you have a camera shop do it. The cost for fixing this isn't huge.

On a fixed lens camera it involves disassembling the camera, and this can be pretty complicated and expensive. And it happens with all fixed lens cameras with zoom lenses.

That wouldn't stop me from buying one of these beauties. It is just something to consider.

It is unique because it has dedicated controls for shutter and aperture, it has a multi-ratio Raw sensor, it has a fast zoom, and is rangefinder shaped. There really is nothing else like it. This doesn't mean people have to like it more than other cameras, but it is unique.

but who's buying it at 600. usd?

Elliot:

Those who didn't want to pay 800usd, which is the not on sale price it's been hovering around for 2 years now.

Those not wanting the extra MPs from the Mark II at 1000usd.

Those wanting an external battery charger included in the box. Right, the new Mark II doesn't have a separate battery charger.

RAW... if you patiently wait around three years you can probably buy a used LX100 II for $500.

This isn't a tiny camera like an RX100 or a GX9. It is small, but not really shirt pocket material.

I don't think any potential buyers would get upset if it had a tilt screen and became a few millimeters thicker.

Go buy a camera with a tilt screen or shut-up...and stop whining like a wench. It's a camera FFS.

tell us how you really feel yahoo2

Oh dear Yahoo2u, people coming to a camera discussion board and expressing opinions about cameras!! How awful for you to have to endure such an affront to decency!

Same here, I love everything about this camera, but I've had 3 cameras in a row with a flippy screen, and I use it all the time. I have kids, pets, and like pointing my camera at the sky - all of those things benefit from a flippy screen, not to mention I'm 6'6 and when shooting normal size people I often have a choice - crouch, or flip...

@FodgeandDurn ... being stupid, ignorant and devoid of logic doesn't bode well on "discussion boards", nor does it give you the right to be stupid. We all know that the camera doesn't have a flip screen, hence stupid remarks..("How hard is that to do? It’s 2018 NOT 2010").. about the manufacturer not implementing one is foolishness. Decency has nothing to do with it. As for your needs, i'm sure you are intelligent enough to buy a camera WITH a flip screen. Yes, todays photographer still needs his rear wiped or he crys, moans and acts petulant if he doesn't get what he wants. Chill out as they say.

Jess, I know, but still I think it's one of the most appealing things of this serie.
I don't know any other camera that has this feature.
A lot of people here seem to stop on its price or "low" IQ given its sensor size.

There is no aspect ratio that uses the full resolution of the sensor, it's always cropped. I would not call this an advantage. It is the precondition for a compact lens.

Achim, the multi aspect sensor allows you to keep the original chosen angle of view, whenever you use a 3:2, 4:3, 1:1 or 16:9 image ratio. It crops the sensor, obviously, but the image looks different than, let’s say, a a 1:1 image cropped from a from a 3:2 image: imagine taking a 24mm shot at 3:2 and then crop the image at 1:1 ratio, then imagine to take the photo at 1:1 ratio with a 24mm equivalent angle of view lens. They just look different.

Of course you do need a bigger sensor to allow this.

Achim, it's a matter of personal taste: I'd like to have this option.

Agree, but the colors are still natural.

I don’t care about a Leica branded LX100 2. I lost my ass selling the Typ 109 last time 😠

princecody:

Psst: Digital P&S cameras no matter how sophisticated, no matter how famous the label, aren't for investment. They go down in price in an unopened box.

MyReality:

Diamonds as gemstones are being made now.