Panasonic Lumix LX100 II sample gallery

Wait...what?

5 days agopermalink

Joseph K Boston

Superior to actual cameras?

Hahahahaha

Do you not understand how physics work?
Do you not look at smartphone images at 100%?

They’ll do in a pinch, but for anything other than social media the images are pure garbage.

5 days agopermalink

Ebrahim Saadawi

We can't deny the immemse amount of dynamic range in the latest phones like the XS, and the coolness of the simulated DOF, and if these cameras include these things IN TOP of good sensors like this one, we'd see a huge leap!

4 days agopermalink

Joseph K Boston

The dynamic range in even the newest iPhone is horrible. Was not even impressed in the least by its images.

My iPhone 7 is awesome if expectations are kept reasonable.

4 days agopermalink

Ebrahim Saadawi

It basically never clips highlights or shadows! The power of image stacking.

4 days agopermalink

redtailboas

Not only daylight. My $500 OP6 beats out G7X even in low-light.

4 days agopermalink

Under The Sun

Wasted potential. What a pity.

5 days agopermalink

808_freedive

Developing a cam and sensor in a dull, low contrast environment in a Kansai suburb...gets you a dull and low contrast IQ. Designing lenses in dull and low contrast Eastern Germany - same. I really dont want to buy a cam of the current generation and 1000 $ is an insult for an IQ on par with my phone. I just laugh and move on.

5 days agopermalink

Arizona Sunset

I like the LX100 as a compact hybrid, but without an LX100 II OIS improvement (for 4k), I'm passing on this one. IQ looks a little better, at least.

6 days agopermalink

andyfw

Really cannot see this camera selling well. Such a lazy and poor update from Panasonic.

6 days agopermalink

Yoyox

All cameras (even cell phones) can produce decent photos in day-light. Therefore I think galleries always should present pictures that represents a challenge to the camera. Shots taken in dim light, concert-photos, indoor sports with high iso, portraits in mixed light etc. Otherwise these galleries are nearly worthless.

6 days agopermalink

BJL

Yes, low-light and fast moving subjects are most useful tests — and also scenes towards the long end of the zoom range: the so-called "telephoto" or 2X cameras in phones still only reach about 52mm equivalent, and with only 10-12MP and tiny (so low usable ISO speed) pixels to get even that far.

6 days ago*permalink

Great sharpness, as expected. The colors... meh.

1 week agopermalink

geoson

I have the mark 1. I've always preferred the Natural setting to the Standard setting used in the gallery.

4 days agopermalink

I shoot raw, and there's no good color profile in ACR that gives my natural colors.

4 days agopermalink

spinningtape

I am considering this camera but am very concerned about the dust issues reported with original. Just contacted Panasonic support and thought I'd share transcript:

Me (10/11/2018, 11:06:53 AM): Hi, I am considering purchasing the new LX100 II camera. However I have reservations because I've read many reviews from users of the original LX100 who have run into issues with dust getting on to the camera sensor with no way to clean it (except for sending it in.) I wanted to find out if Panasonic has implemented anything in the new version of the camera to address this issue.
Marcus W (10/11/2018, 11:07:53 AM): We haven't implemented anything different in the new version of the cameras to address this issue.
Me (10/11/2018, 11:09:46 AM): Ok - does warranty cover this issue?
Marcus W (10/11/2018, 11:10:31 AM): You can view the terms of the warranty from the link below: ftp://ftp.panasonic.com/camera/warranty/digital_still_camera_warranty.pdf

1 week agopermalink

Nomoreheroes

Maybe the LX200 will take care of this

1 week agopermalink

onlyfreeman

Bring on the LX100 III or LX200.

6 days agopermalink

Maybe in 2021 or 22?

6 days agopermalink

I think that the LX100 III will be the same lens while LX200 may be for a new lens, but the new lens may still having the "dust issues" if it is not weather sealed.

6 days agopermalink

Lovely results. It's worth $749 to me. How about for you?

1 week agopermalink

$699 tops...

1 week ago*permalink

$997.98 for me.

1 week agopermalink

The dynamic range in the samples doesn't even come close(!) to my phone. Although I wanted to like this camera, that's a big NOPE.
People should stop buying cameras right now. Wait for the adoption of computational photography...let them copy Google and get those cameras.

1 week ago*permalink

It's never going to happen until all camera manufacturers are Japanese. Those guys would rather die than change their acustomed ways, which they are actually doing.

1 week agopermalink

i wish i knew what you were talking about

1 week agopermalink

Sezano, the dynamic range part, or the stop buying part?

1 week agopermalink

To my eye, the dynamic range looks the same as it has been, extracted, from a sensor of such kin. I don’t understand how that compares to any computational device. The succession of low end iphones that I have used it’s been sheite. Utter ignorance, i tell you.

1 week agopermalink

That's because iPhones are pretty crappy.. Only the last Gen (XS) started copying Google and gets decent results. The Pixel pretty much changed everything with HDR+ algorithm. It usually merges roughly 10 images, but without moving objects showing more than once. It can capture a kid in the air while merging multiple exposures. The dynamic range I get with using Google's algorithm on my LG is by far better than what I see here. I don't ever get overblown skies, even when they are bright and I'm in the shadows. Even my older 60D can't match it to be honest.

1 week agopermalink

Gal - I like the sound of that.

1 week agopermalink

redtailboas

No doubt. I use my $500 OnePlus 6 now instead of 1" sensor G7X, even in low light OP6 produces better results. So unfortunate standalone camera makers aren't smartening up. Won't be buying another standalone camera until they do, which looks like possibly never based on the current scene.

Obviously lower end mobiles generally won't keep up, but the newer generation flagships are already ahead.

1 week ago*permalink

redtailboas, Exactly.
In my opinion, the only reason to get a standalone camera right now is zoom (and I mean 200mm and above).

6 days agopermalink

BJL

@gal, I sort of agree about zoom being the biggest reason for most people to get a stand-alone camera—but anything much beyond 50mm equiv. (and only about 12MP) is beyond what any phone offers, so the zoom of this already does a lot more than any phone so far

5 days agopermalink

@BJL , true. I just don't see myself spending around 1000$ for a bit more range. If I were to buy a compact camera now, it would probably be the TZ200 (I know, not the same quality of the LX100-II). I do like the LX100 II design and features, but it's not enough for the price (just my opinion).

5 days agopermalink

vagtanklan

If only it was all about dynamic range.

5 days agopermalink

DarnGoodPhotos

To be fair, the new Pixel3 now does exposure stacking (HDR+) with Raws so the old noise reduction issues should be taken care of. The lens is still crap quality compared to a good compact.

5 days agopermalink

BJL

@Gal, me too: I would settle for a bit less than you, but I still want about 4X or 5X in a walk-around lens (so reaching about 100mm to 120mm FOV equivalent); this 3X seems rather "niche", especially now that the "bokeh" advantage is diminishing. But I can see why some photographers will still really like the speed advantage over a phone that the "normal to long" part of this lens's range offers.

4 days agopermalink

redtailboas

If only it were just DR. Flagship mobile IQ all around generally beats out standalone compacts these days. Really sad situation that currently looks like will just be widening unless camera makers smarten up.

4 days agopermalink

davids8560

I'm just super unhappy. All my days are gray and sad. Everything has lost its luster. Even the greatest new cameras seem dull and unworthy. Marjorie moved back to her mother's. Little Bobby fumbled the ball and made his team lose the big game. The hazmat crews can't stop the spill from coming downstream and it looks like half the town is going to be condemned. The legislature is gonna vote for that controversial tax increase. That cheerful blond lady on the TV news said they just don't want to fund anything good anymore. And that darn Check Engine Light is back on again. Elvis isn't coming back, is he...

1 week ago*permalink

Preach on, brother

1 week agopermalink

Wye Photography

Yes, Elvis IS dead.

1 week agopermalink

Alexstaytrue

Without looking at those photos with bokeh, I can barely tell most of these samples taken by a phone or a camera.
I'm not complaining about LX100II's imaging capabilities, but having doubts about Dpreview's sample galleries really DOES having a reference meaning for its viewers.
Don't shoot these samples like an amateur, you're a professional photography device media.

1 week ago*permalink

I guess you confused bokeh with shallow depth of field as bokeh is a word to describe quality of out of focus areas where there is a shallow depth of field. So I guess one can say, don't express yourself as an amateur when you accuse someone of amateurism.

Otherwise yes, some sample with no real depth of field and taken in a good light and even not so good light, can be easily compared to high-end smart phone results, especially when one does not pixel-peep or view them on big 4k screen. That is the nature of the beast nowadays and as pointed in google's pixel article, the computational smartphone photography can reach noise levels of APS-C sensors by stacking and aligning multiple exposures. The difference here is the form factor of two different device classes and the resulting ergonomics. Also the lens is a factor here. You may not need this camera for outright picture quality when compared to high-end smartphone like Google's Pixel, but you want the ergonomics for sure.

1 week ago*permalink

Alexstaytrue

I'm not an everyday English speaker, maybe I chose wrong word. Thank for you explanation.
What I am trying to say is Dpreview's sample galleries don't represent the camera's essential imaging character or quality, for the most of time. The pictures they take look "flat "and "non-emotional", they just look like any other camera or cellphone.
I don't agree ergonomics is the essential character to differentiate a camera and a Google/Apple phone. I think m43/aps-c SOOC quality (color rendering and ISO performance) is far beyond any cellphone including Google Pixel according to my own experience on these devices. Sensor size still matters.

1 week ago*permalink

Wye Photography

@Alexstaytrue, your English is very good, keep it up man.

1 week agopermalink

@Alexstaytrue
Your english is fine, you were just confronted by an a*hole. Probably a fat one, with a goatee

1 week agopermalink

@lakkot And you took it to another level, a level of personal insult without having to say anything meanigful on a subject of OP. A keyboard warior who has nothing to say but insult others. As always, such a comment says nothing about me but a lot about you. Bravo, hope you are happy now.

1 week agopermalink

@Vit Adamek
I knew you were a fat goatee guy!!!

1 week agopermalink

@lakkot You forgot to give yourself a like... ;-)

1 week agopermalink

@Vit Adamek
Your butthurtness is so strong i can hear your anus tear, please stop Big Nipps!!!!

1 week agopermalink

Come on, you can do better than that. Show us what really is inside that brilliant mind of yours. You are barely scratching surface here, insult harder...

1 week agopermalink

joecan

Anybody knows what software will open the RAW files from LX100 mk2?
I do have LR 6 but that doesn't.
Thanks

1 week agopermalink

Sigma82

just wait for the camera raw support to be released

1 week agopermalink

Adobe should have just released a new version of its DNG converter, and the Panasonic is one of the new cameras to receive support.

1 week agopermalink

Freeware Rawtherapee would be my bet.

1 week agopermalink

Does LR update new cameras these days. Is it still stand alone?

1 week agopermalink

@mcshan nope, if you are still using LR as stsnd alond editor, like me, the only way to use new camera files is to convert them in DNG files through Adobe DNG converter.
I do it with a7iii files.
I’ve been told by a friend that I’m loosing IQ in this way, but I have never found a proof. Maybe here someone can tell.
Capture One strips out great IQ from Sony RAW files, but I’m still used (and quicker) working on the old LR 6.xx.
It’s simply a one more step: convert the files and save them on the same sd card or where you prefer, then import them in LR and work as usual.

1 week ago*permalink

Thank you Marco, I too have an "older" version of LR. I think I'll give the Adobe DNG converter a try. It has been a long time since I have tried it.

6 days agopermalink

John McMillin

I love looking at Seattle as much as anybody, and maybe more. But it's a low-light, low-contrast environment, especially this time of year. Just like London, so perhaps it's a DPR tradition. But these images have no relevance for me here in Denver, or any Sunbelt or tropical location. These demonstrate nothing about DR or color response in bright sunlight. It's easy to ship a camera elsewhere to shoot some tests in the desert, or on a bright beach... wait, doesn't DPR have a friend in the shipping business?

1 week ago*permalink

Wye Photography

Look on the bright side, DPR could be based here in Wales where the national dress is Gore-Tex.

1 week agopermalink

xiao_xiang

@Wye

Haha.... I can't speak of Wales, but up in Scotland I have taken some of my most incredible shots. It is easy to take boring, grey photos as well, however, and impossible to recreate sunny environments in all but a handful of days each year.

I hope to get to Wales someday!

4 days agopermalink

Sergeg

I love my original LX100, and especially for shooting 4K. Have used it in multicam interview situations, where size and speed of set up in a doco situation are critical, very specific usage, I realize.

Seriously would swap my Tamron SP 24~70 2.8 for my D800 for the LX100II.
For the form factor and weight and convenience for street photography and gorilla film shooting, it makes a lot of sense.

1 week agopermalink

Slouch Hooligan

Guerilla, Spanish for “small war”, is the word I believe you were looking for.

6 days agopermalink

Sergeg

Thank you, eenglis is my second sanwich

5 days agopermalink

noisephotographer

If the Lx100 II had Google's HDR+, that would have been great.

1 week agopermalink

onlyfreeman

That would be awesome, but it would mean some kind of agreement between Google and Panasonic right? Seems unlikely.

1 week agopermalink

Photato

It looks like these shots are a tad better than the original LX100 perhaps due to the improved JPEG engine and newer sensor. However, for video is not the same story since the limiting narrower field of view for Capturing 4K.
Pany needed to compensate with more goodies to make this camera more appealing to current LX100 users.
I bet Pany didn't even bother with easy firmware improvements like reducing the Lens extension frequency in order to minimize dust intrusion.
I bet, the user, can't still take full advantage of oversized sensor by cropping post capture the desired aspect ratio.
I bet Pany still not letting users access to the uncorrected capture in order to gain a wider field of view.
Has the OIS improved for Video? because it was mostly ineffective in the original LX100.
As an LX100 user for 2 years, I don't think this camera offer enough improvements and excitement, to qualify as an "upgrade" It feels more like a side-grade at a higher cost.

1 week ago*permalink

DistantView

I know I'm an old relic but I find touchscreens awful & unreliable, ie sometimes I have to press several times to get action & occasionally I only have to have my finger near the screen for it to react. These are phone screens I'm talking about.
My old NEX5n had a touch screen but it was so awful I quickly turned it off, but maybe they've moved on over the last few years.
But I still don't get touchscreens - also bad for people who need reading glasses, RPIT fundament.
I hope this camera does well but regret it won't be on my birthday list !
Good luck RT

1 week agopermalink

Edgar_in_Indy

Have you used a Panasonic touch screen? Because I would feel exactly the same as you if the only touchscreen camera I had ever used was my Sony a6500.

But long before I had the Sony, I owned the Panasonic GX-7, and on that camera I consider the touchscreen to be one of its crowning features. It's so easy to use, and responds instantly, so it helps make the GX-7 a breeze to operate when combined with the traditional controls.

But on my a6500 using the touchscreen usually feels like a chore. It's almost inexplicable, since touchscreen technology is so mature on all kinds of devices, but Sony really blew it.

1 week agopermalink

JakeJY

@Edgar_in_Indy
Yeah, I have a GX85 (probably same touch screen as GX7) and it's as quick and responsive as my phone's touch screen. The unresponsive types I have used are the resistive ones which requires more pressure to respond and generally are less smooth.

1 week agopermalink

obsolescence

I carry a pen with a soft stylus (in place of an eraser tip) which is more precise than finger touch. I use it primarily with an iPad, but it's also useful for camera and phone touch screens.

1 week ago*permalink

I would be dare to say that Panasonic has best touchscreen implementation of any brand. I use it to select focus point all the time, and especially touchpad focus point selection when looking through viewfinder is very useful.

1 week agopermalink

Nomoreheroes

The touch screen funtionality of the Panasonic cameras are second to none

1 week agopermalink

TheClueless

Confirms what I suspected with the Mark I - the sensor alone isn't holding back IQ, the lens is too. I doubt it's simply the lack of shooting skills of the DPR reviewers (though that's undoubtedly a factor everywhere) here.

I realise you can't expect miracles of a F1.7-2.8 zoom with the same effective dimensions as the 12-32 MFT kit, but I can't help but be a little disappointed that it's a long way off a 16MP MFT with the 12-35 F2.8 (which, again, would be huge compared to the LX100).

Won't stop me from getting it tho, still looking forward to having this back. I loved using it and now the images look to be "good enough" for lightly edited RAW snapshots.

1 week ago*permalink

Gosh, I thought the lens on the original was superb... and it looks great here, too! It's the colors that don't ring true to me.

1 week ago*permalink

TheClueless

If your gear list is up to date, probably unsurprising. that you think it's great.

For me, the problem is that the lens/sensor has been noticeably blurry compared to the RX100 series - though obviously lighting a bigger sensor, and the LX100 MkI shots are now perilously close in terms of definition to current smartphones.

EDIT: Mine's shipped! Woohoo

1 week ago*permalink

Maybe you got a bad copy? I seem to recall that people were raving about this lens' sharpness when it came out, and surely 16MP isn't too much for it. (And no, I might not own the latest gear, but I've used it, and sharpness—vs resolution—isn't really something that's able to "advance" like other aspects of IQ. We all know what perfectly sharp images look like :) )

1 week agopermalink

TheClueless

I've had two D-Lux 109's. I've also shot LX100*s*. When I'm definite about something, I make sure I can be definite.

1 week ago*permalink

Edgar_in_Indy

I found my LX100 to have no problems with sharpness. And I've owned other very good compacts, starting with the Olympus XZ-1 (that things was sharp!), Sony RX100-II and then the RX-1. And I've owned some extremely sharp lenses, such as the Sigma 85mm 1.4.

1 week agopermalink

aris14

Fine tool for a lot of uses from street photography up to a versatile complementary handy solution when it's needed.

1 week agopermalink

123dy

The little dog in the sample photographs is well cute, however I'm reluctant to believe that I should be getting excited about the new LX100 because of a touchscreen.

Surely the whole point of the LX100 is that all the photographic controls are available on buttons and dials.

(Personally, the big shutter-speed dial on top of the camera is mostly ornamental: 99.99% of the pictures I take are in AP mode, but when I do try to use it I find this dial is in the wrong place for easy control and anyway the gradation it uses is too coarse.)

If the touchscreen is so great then why not shrink the whole camera down to a size where the camera comprises lens and touchscreen only and then consign the physical controls and the space they demand to history?

Oh, there are plenty of compacts (and phones) that already do this!

I think Panasonic got this one wrong. In the UK the LX100-2 is priced the same as the much more versatile (if slightly bigger) FZ2000/2500; why would anyone want to buy it?

1 week agopermalink

Boss of Sony

I actually found the Google Pixel 3 gallery more impressive. This camera is beautiful to look at and hold and use, but I don't think they really nailed the lens design.

1 week agopermalink

I'm disappointed in this version. I expected more after all this time. For the non-tilt and dust issues, I'd rather just go with the Fuji X100F and forget the tilt entirely.

1 week agopermalink

>>> " For the non-tilt and dust issues"

You can get a weather sealed (to avoid dust get into the body} Canon G1X.M3 with full articular LCD, Plus the pop-up flash, and street price of Canon is less than $900.

1 week ago*permalink

ValveBone:

The Fuji X100F doesn't have a zoom lens.

A fine camera, not exactly a competitor.

1 week agopermalink

Yes, I'm aware of that. I worded my comment poorly. I meant that the tilt is a wash since neither the Fuji nor Pana has it. The compromise of no zoom vs dust is what I meant by favoring the Fuji.

1 week agopermalink

I looked at the Canon but the lens is quite slow. Especially out.

1 week agopermalink

It is very slow which is the cost of using the largest sensor to fit the small body as an P&S.

It may be the reason that the price went down so fast while SONY RX100s can hold the price very well.

I do not think Panasonic can hold the price very well too as it missing two key parts as a P&S: tilt screen and build in flash.

1 week agopermalink

https://lx3.smugmug.com/Panasonic-DC-LX100-II

Well honestly Mike, I don't mind there not being a flash. Most of them are so weak they're useless anyway. Just give me a hot shoe and I'm fine. The Sonys are also missing some things I want in a P&S. Especially for $1,000.00+. The last P&S I had that I was relatively happy with were the Canon G15 and the Nikon P7100.
I was really, really looking forward to the Nikon DL series but...oh, well.

1 week agopermalink

axlotl

The Mk2 appears to have the same problem with focusing as the original. Both my copies of the original were prone to missing focus when presented with multiple specular light sources. This issue can also affect other cameras which use contrast detect AF. See numbers 25, 26 and 28 in this gallery.
Andrew

1 week agopermalink

yahoo2u

Image 28..User error. Typical of DPR. You want to blame the camera now for a totally OOF image?

1 week ago*permalink

telefunk

Boy, that's worrying! I see it now too. Most other images are pretty sharp, so there is a real problem. Sold my LX100 due to unreliable AF, never expected that from Pany.
@yahoo2u:
Operator error from DPR staff? Like stating that your autogearshift didnt change gears is due to driver error LOL.
Are you aware the LX100 is equipped with AF (Automatic Focus)?

1 week agopermalink

OrdinarilyInordinate

Excellent colors and processing in-camera for the OOC JPEGs. Well done, Panasonic.

1 week agopermalink

The Jimmy 86

These cameras are fantastic for everyday use. I loved my LX100 original.

1 week agopermalink

woodcock

When can we expect this camera to be added to the studio scene comparison tool?

1 week agopermalink

david25uk

Here is my sample gallery

Not to the same standard, but hope it help!

1 week agopermalink

spinningtape

Thank you for sharing.

1 week agopermalink

shademaster

It doesn't have a tilting screen. :( I love my mk1, except for the non-tilt. This is such a bummer.

1 week agopermalink

I'm still waiting for some one to released a NIKON DL 18-50.

1 week agopermalink

ShatteredSky

Yes indeed ...

1 week agopermalink

Samuel Dilworth

It’s still unbelievable to me that Nikon cancelled this uniquely interesting camera of all the weird, generic, and daft things the company puts on the market in a typical year.

1 week agopermalink

As far as I can see NIKON given in the DL18-50 after SONY questioned NIKON has the ability to make the lens work in production as saw from SONY interview.

When SONY, the KING of the P&S, speaks, NIKON listens.

1 week ago*permalink

Amen to that.

1 week agopermalink

Well, some one will make a DL-18-50 one day as there are already having countless 1" or larger sensor small P&S started with 24mm.

1 week agopermalink

lem12

I was waiting on wide angle cam too, but it looks like that manufacturer is not the one who can afford to set a new line of gear on a market. Even the Canon couldn't expand their cams based on 1.5' sensor which would be fine for compact wides. Very possibly the Sony would set that line, others will follow.

3 days agopermalink

Marco Cinnirella

There were a number of owners of the mk1 who reported dust spots on the sensor that caused a real headache, especially if out of warranty. This is the problem with these lens designs on fixed lens cameras - they can suck dust inside the mechanism which then lodges on the sensor, which can not be cleaned by the owner. I myself experienced this issue with Canon G series cameras. I wonder if Panasonic have done anything to try to alleviate it with the mk2...

1 week agopermalink

Chris 222

HIGHLY unlikely! This model has the exact same lens with a few different innards coming out of the ol' parts bin. Panasonic has had major QC issues at their Chinese factories for at least 10 years but they do not care.
BTW many folks also report being denied warranty coverage for this problem (yet another example of Panasonic alienating its customer base.)

1 week agopermalink

shademaster

I have the spot issue. It comes up at narrow aperture images with a solid background. I just try to avoid these situations. Otherwise, it's a fantastic camera (if only the screen tilted).

1 week agopermalink

Androole

Dust spotting is a problem with every single fixed lens camera on the market, with the except of fully-sealed waterproof dive cameras with internal periscope optics.

Anyone considering an expensive fixed lens should be realistic about their expectations for use cases (i.e. use in dusty conditions, storage in unclean pockets), their willingness to baby their camera (i.e. carrying it in a lint-proof bag), the longevity they expect from the camera, and their tolerance for visible sensor spotting when the camera is going to be used stopped-down a little bit.

1 week ago*permalink

NarrBL

Or, I guess, for the other brands to use a design like the Olympus XZ-2, where the lens cap mounts on a surround, so the telescoping parts are entirely enclosed.

Such a great camera, just about ignored in its time for what, a slightly higher price?

But so well worth it, so many features which can be used to escape small camera issues when understood, and such wonderful images to work with.

Mine going strong, and I have no idea what I'd want to replace it with.

1 week agopermalink

StefanD

I cleaned the sensor myself using this guide: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Disassembling+Panasonic+LUMIX+DMC-LX100/55603

It takes some experience with electronics, but it's not very difficult to do. I was asked more than 100 euro to have it cleaned, so I took the risk of doing it myself. (and to full satisfaction: clean skies at f/16)

1 week agopermalink

Boss of Sony

Vacuum cleaner worked for me. Check YouTube.

1 week agopermalink

justmeMN

I have no interest in the camera, but the puppy is gosh-darn cute.

1 week agopermalink

a grand is too much ... a grand can buy a decent system camera and 2 lenses

with hundreds left over

1 week ago*permalink

Name the body and 2 lenses.

A body and one good lens, yes, that's possible. Though several of the body options won't have a built in EVF--which some people are fine with.

1 week ago*permalink

i said decent, or put another way,tremendously exceeding any and all things the lx100ll can do It excels in only one area

its compact, has very nice enthusiast-centric controls and a serviceable [ but sadly field seq.]EVF
i said decent,not earth shaking, so here a few

gx85 w\ 12-32 pancake \45-150mm long zoom [300mm equiv] $597.00
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1398407-REG/panasonic_dmc_gx85wk_lumix_dmc_gx85_mirrorless_micro.html

a6000 w 16-50mm \ 55-210mm free card extra battery $748.00
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1381662-REG/sony_alpha_a6000_mirrorless_digital.html

em-10 markll w 14-42mm \40-150mm $848.00
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1340519-REG/olympus_v207051bu010_lk_om_d_e_m10_mark_ii.html

canon eos m10 - 14-42\40-150mm lenses
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1188038-REG/canon_0584c031_eos_m10_mirrols_w_15_45_55_200.html

and those are just "kits" creative shoppers who are informed can buy a la carte as well ...lol

1 week agopermalink

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1261907-REG/sigma_zl900_sd_quattro_mirrorless_digital.html

and just because a single lens and body can also be very compelling and a tremendous value

heres a lovely sigma Quattro 29mp with a 30mm f 1.4 art lens for ... 899
dollars .....wow !

i maintain this new lx100ll should be about 600 usd, not a penny more!

1 week ago*permalink

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1322665-REG/pentax_kp_dslr_camera_with.html

cosin:

Really you know better than that.

All of those lenses in the links are slow, nothing optically remarkable, but the lens in the LX100 is very good, and not slow.

(Frankly, I didn't expect you to post such.)

Now this kit from Pentax does have a lens to compete with that in the LX100, but it's only one lens in the kit. Note the price:

Here's a Pentax KP kit with a good lens of fixed focal length closer in price to the LX100 II:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1388506-REG/pentax_kp_dslr_camera_with.html

Now of course the Pentax KP is not a strong video camera, nor is it compact, but it's better for higher ISO work than the Panasonic LX100 II.

There doesn't seem to be a Pentax K70, a less expensive body than the KP, with an optically very good kit lens of either zoom or fixed focal length.

1 week ago*permalink

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1082158-REG/panasonic_lumix_dmc_lx100_digital_camera.html

cosin:

That Sigma is unusable above base ISO.

Sigma has had big problems with the Quattro sensor and strange noise; for some reason its worse with the ILC Quattros.

You are correct that is a very nice lens with the Sigma kit, but it sure ain't a compact system. Nor can it shoot any video.

Today, in Oct 2018: You can get the Panasonic LX100 Mark I for 600usd from B+H. This one extends the warranty for 3 years.:

1 week ago*permalink

i stand by my point that these are all decent kits and except for the sony the entry level zooms are all good .... not in a different league as the lx100 lens as you seem to suggest ..
any of these standard zooms can of course be stopped down and frankly will leave the cropped m43 sensor behind
they are an order of magnitude beyond this little panny and offer real lenses i an appx 28 to 300 mm equiv range

the old lx100 while a cool little cam has rather low resolution yet on par with my x30 which i really like

i walk around with a fuji x30 [ 599 on release ]alot with a 58sqmm 2\3 sensor[ not 1\2.3]
and i love the quality and build of the lens mechanism and quality
its only 12 mp but with legs... i love small cameras ... but charging obscene amouts for them not so much

1 week ago*permalink

cosin:

Some of the kitzooms are optically good. Not one is fast.

"the old lx100 while a cool little cam has rather low resolution yet on par with my x30 which i really like"

Really pixel counting?

That Fuji X30 has a smaller sensor.

1 week agopermalink

One thing for sure.... dust on the sensor is a problem easily solved on an ILC. You just clean the sensor yourself, or you have a camera shop do it. The cost for fixing this isn't huge.

On a fixed lens camera it involves disassembling the camera, and this can be pretty complicated and expensive. And it happens with all fixed lens cameras with zoom lenses.

That wouldn't stop me from buying one of these beauties. It is just something to consider.

1 week agopermalink

saying something has low-resolution isn't " pixel counting" its a reality

yes I'm always aware of the sensors in the cams I use and many that I dont

and if you walk around with a pickup and grab x30 as I do, its important to be aware of the strengths and weaknesses ... it's being informed about the tool in the hand with 58 sqmm and 12 mp i have an idea of how big I can print or display AWA noise

i know my xpro2 can go well beyond

the Pentax is bad...a s s... and that 20 -40mm 2.8 -4 ... essentially free...
what value ....usually like 800 USD!

at low iso, the lx100 13 mp is not too different to the superb lens
x30 12 mp

1 week ago*permalink

cosin:

Given a good lens, a 12MP sensor allows for big prints, like 12x18 inches, easily.

You know this. So frankly implications that 12MP is low resolution are misleading.

True at ISO 200, I'm sure the Fuji X30 competes with the Panasonic LX100 Mark 1.

The Pentax KP with the 20-40mm doesn't really include the lens "free"; the body is arround $1000 without the kit lens. So you're getting something like $100 off the KP+lens purchased separately.

The Fuji XPro2 is significantly bigger than an LX100, it has a more capable bigger sensor, and it is significantly more expensive especially assuming you'd want a good-fast zoom with it.

1 week agopermalink

this may blow your mind, but some people don’t actually want an ILC, or the extra size.

panasonic, sony rx100 series etc... these camera don’t get made because people are vacillating on ILC and a fixed zoom.

you may not “get it” but don’t deny it.

1 week agopermalink

FodgeandDurn

Sometimes you want to go on a trip with a smaller camera - and part of the cost of this camera is paying for the convenience of having a package that mostly matches the versatility you'd get with your ILC and a couple of lenses. It's not going to perform as well in some circumstances (assuming your ILC is more recent than say, 2015), but it'll perform well enough.

I'm not sure pointing out ILC options is wholly viable - surely you buy this because you specifically don't want an ILC. If someone were wanting to get into photography and just wanted any good camera, then yes, point them at a GX85, but most of us already have ILC's, and like the look of these for occasions when we don't want to lug a full camera bag and 24-70 f2.8 around.

1 week agopermalink

in glancing at the pentax ,,, i thought it was the full frame body which is about 1700 usd ...my mistake

1 week agopermalink

John Gellings

It's 1000 because it is unique...

1 week agopermalink

FodgeandDurn

John Gellings
The advanced compact market is pretty well represented at the moment - Panasonic, Sony and Canon have some great options. The LX100 is nice, but I wouldn't say it's completely unique at the moment.

1 week agopermalink

John Gellings

It is unique because it has dedicated controls for shutter and aperture, it has a multi-ratio Raw sensor, it has a fast zoom, and is rangefinder shaped. There really is nothing else like it. This doesn't mean people have to like it more than other cameras, but it is unique.

1 week agopermalink

Also.... since the camera uses a cropped Four Thirds sensor and a fast lens, it should have the potential for better performance at high ISO than any compact with a 1 inch sensor.

It should perform better than a 1 inch sensor, but not quite as good as an uncropped Four Thirds sensor.

1 week ago*permalink

Elliot H

ok camera for 500.

1 week agopermalink

And yet version one still retains for 600usd.

1 week agopermalink

Elliot H

but who's buying it at 600. usd?

1 week agopermalink

Elliot:

Those who didn't want to pay 800usd, which is the not on sale price it's been hovering around for 2 years now.

Those not wanting the extra MPs from the Mark II at 1000usd.

Those wanting an external battery charger included in the box. Right, the new Mark II doesn't have a separate battery charger.

1 week ago*permalink

RAW... if you patiently wait around three years you can probably buy a used LX100 II for $500.

1 week agopermalink

Marty:

But nowhere did I comment on the used market pricing for the LX100, either version, or the "Leica" version, which someone else brought up losing money on.

1 week agopermalink

for you maybe. people will buy an POS non functional Leica for $500

1 week agopermalink

Sorry RAW, that comment was meant for Eliot H

1 week agopermalink

Yep.. 400-500... not more.

1 week agopermalink

Gal R:

So you ain't following how much V1 sells for new, 4 years after it first shipped?

1 week agopermalink

goactive

I think the photos look very good. Need to see how well it can focus in strong backlighting and in low light.

This could very well be the camera to replace one of my DSLRs for group portraits. The lens will cover everything I need. As long as the image quality holds up and it can handle holding the whites in bright sun this would be a great very small portrait camera. Then use a new Nikon Z6 with 85 or 135 on it for single person portraits for the better background bokeh.

Still, need to see the new 35mm ZEISS coming soon with the leaf shutter that may be the overall winner just for the leaf shutter for outdoor portraits.

1 week agopermalink

gary0319

The LX 100 uses the leaf shutter, works great in my LX100 version 1.

1 week agopermalink

goactive:

The Leica Q uses a leaf shutter too. It's a safe bet that the new full framed ZeissAndroid will retail for more than $1000, as of course the Leica Q does.

Also see gary0319's point.

1 week agopermalink

Why so few higher ISO samples? And why is only one of the 3 total shot in challenging lighting?

I realize is this is a known sensor, and a known lens, but it's nice to see what the whole package can do when pushed.

1 week agopermalink

UllerellU

I love the concept, but for 1k.... No thanks, it's a compact camera and it's far away to be perfect, fixed screen, multi aspect sensor (not use the full sensor, that means worse iso performance and worse dynamic range, look the Mark I, it's 1" sensor performance...), no weather sealling.... I love this design and manual controls, but the price for me, thinking in it's trade offs is 600$.

1 week agopermalink

Androole

Ermm...

The RX100 III still costs $650, and despite the multi-aspect sensor, this still has a significantly larger than the Sony 1" version, and more importantly, a lens that holds its aperture much longer across the focal length.

The Sony lenses are basically 24-29mm f1.8-2.8, with a 30-70mm/f2.8 lens tacked on to the end.

1 week agopermalink

UllerellU

It does not matter how much bigger the sensor is while the performance is not clearly superior. The lens is excellent I know, I have seen the graphics in Imaging Resource, but a good lens and manual controls do not justify that price. As I do not think the price of the compact Sony is justified, but right now you have the RX100 V with flip-up screen, a great sharp lens from corner to corner, a great performance AF, phase detection do not forget, a really pocketable camera .. .. For € 800. Equal price I like the LX100 more, but Panasonic does not have to forget how is the market, for that money I would do with an OMD M10III or a GX9 with a good cousin. I sincerely believe that this camera is not competitive.

1 week agopermalink

princecody

Dang it Panasonic! For a $1k I want a flipping tilting screen 😠 How hard is that to do? It’s 2018 NOT 2010 🙄

1 week agopermalink

Modern Jess

Yep. I love this camera on paper, but the lack of a tilting screen is keeping me from buying it (for now). I love to shoot low, and a tilting screen is a must.

1 week agopermalink

This isn't a tiny camera like an RX100 or a GX9. It is small, but not really shirt pocket material.

I don't think any potential buyers would get upset if it had a tilt screen and became a few millimeters thicker.

1 week agopermalink

yahoo2u

Go buy a camera with a tilt screen or shut-up...and stop whining like a wench. It's a camera FFS.

1 week agopermalink

tell us how you really feel yahoo2

1 week agopermalink

FodgeandDurn

Oh dear Yahoo2u, people coming to a camera discussion board and expressing opinions about cameras!! How awful for you to have to endure such an affront to decency!

Same here, I love everything about this camera, but I've had 3 cameras in a row with a flippy screen, and I use it all the time. I have kids, pets, and like pointing my camera at the sky - all of those things benefit from a flippy screen, not to mention I'm 6'6 and when shooting normal size people I often have a choice - crouch, or flip...

1 week agopermalink

yahoo2u

@FodgeandDurn ... being stupid, ignorant and devoid of logic doesn't bode well on "discussion boards", nor does it give you the right to be stupid. We all know that the camera doesn't have a flip screen, hence stupid remarks..("How hard is that to do? It’s 2018 NOT 2010").. about the manufacturer not implementing one is foolishness. Decency has nothing to do with it. As for your needs, i'm sure you are intelligent enough to buy a camera WITH a flip screen. Yes, todays photographer still needs his rear wiped or he crys, moans and acts petulant if he doesn't get what he wants. Chill out as they say.

1 week agopermalink

progo

Funny. My wall calendar doesn't mention that tilty screens are mandatory this year. (yes, go stick your "current year" argument somewhere the sun doesn't shine)

1 week agopermalink

What I really like in this camera is the multi aspect sensor. Curious nobody mention it.

1 week agopermalink

Modern Jess

Lots of people have mentioned it. The multi-aspect sensor was discussed extensively as soon as it was announced.

1 week agopermalink

Jess, I know, but still I think it's one of the most appealing things of this serie.
I don't know any other camera that has this feature.
A lot of people here seem to stop on its price or "low" IQ given its sensor size.

1 week ago*permalink

onlyfreeman

Mainly seems to be Panasonic that like using the multi-aspect sensors, some of their ILCs also have such sensors.

1 week agopermalink

achim k

There is no aspect ratio that uses the full resolution of the sensor, it's always cropped. I would not call this an advantage. It is the precondition for a compact lens.

1 week ago*permalink

Achim, the multi aspect sensor allows you to keep the original chosen angle of view, whenever you use a 3:2, 4:3, 1:1 or 16:9 image ratio. It crops the sensor, obviously, but the image looks different than, let’s say, a a 1:1 image cropped from a from a 3:2 image: imagine taking a 24mm shot at 3:2 and then crop the image at 1:1 ratio, then imagine to take the photo at 1:1 ratio with a 24mm equivalent angle of view lens. They just look different.

Of course you do need a bigger sensor to allow this.

1 week agopermalink

achim k

I never chose the angle of view as a diagonal of the image (this is what is kept constant!), but always in horizontal or vertical direction!

1 week agopermalink

Achim, it's a matter of personal taste: I'd like to have this option.

1 week agopermalink

I love the multi-aspect design, which has become a trademark of the LX series. I hope they never lose it :)

1 week agopermalink

J A C S

The contrast is too high.

1 week agopermalink

peterwr

So shoot raw and lower it.

1 week agopermalink

J A C S

This will not change the posted gallery.

1 week agopermalink

Agree, but the colors are still natural.

1 week agopermalink

J A C S

Colors look good, agree. I am not saying that there is something wrong with the camera, just that setting, standard or not is too contrasty.

1 week agopermalink

ZeBebito

I wonder how much Leica will charge for its rebadge version. An additional 500 for the red dot?

1 week agopermalink

It will be less than 1300usd.

And you know this.

1 week agopermalink

princecody

I don’t care about a Leica branded LX100 2. I lost my ass selling the Typ 109 last time 😠

1 week agopermalink

princecody:

Psst: Digital P&S cameras no matter how sophisticated, no matter how famous the label, aren't for investment. They go down in price in an unopened box.

1 week ago*permalink

They go down even worse in an opened box. Electronics are some of the worst "investments".
My Mamiya 7 still goes for $2499 on ebay. The Mamiya 7 II is abot $8000 on Amazon.
Buy diamonds, you won't loose your ass.

1 week agopermalink

MyReality:

Diamonds as gemstones are being made now.

1 week agopermalink

@HowaboutRAW - True, so are sapphires, but stones have to be legally graded and tagged as being artificial or natural and in some stores, quality graded also.

1 week agopermalink

AbrasiveReducer

Even hand assembled mechanical film cameras have rarely appreciated in value. Why would anyone even think of a soon to be replaced digital camera as an investment?

1 week agopermalink

The key phrase is "soon to be replaced", This implies that you can never really "catch up" to tech, because you can not catch up with the future.
As soon as you talk state-of-the-art camera specs, there is already some better. So, the point is, if you are an amateur, find what is good enough for you right now and stay with it? You are not competing against anyone if you are not a pro. You will take less of a loss with your "investments".
Don't let the tail wag the dog.

1 week agopermalink

investment? 😂

1 week agopermalink

NOWHITELENS

gosh-darn!

1 week agopermalink

kobakokh

1000 USD is little overprices, after few months it will cost about 600-700 and that price will be good for this camera.

1 week agopermalink

kobak:

So the fact that the current Mark I version, marked down by Panasonic in 2018, is still 600usd totally escaped your notice?

What is it with Leica and PanaLeica ignorance?

1 week agopermalink

kobakokh

i live now in China and here mark i now cost 450 USD, but even 2 years ago his price was 650 usd. I think who want he will find it cheaper then 600 USD. I used mark 1 and that lens is absolutely great, extraordinary sharp and create very nice picture with very high micro contrast, and cameras also has very very fast AF even in low light, and very low noises at ISO1600. That lens is not for portraits, really, but for street, general photography, even for macro its a great camera, pocket. I don't use video but it has 4K very high quality video because of lens is very high quality.

1 week agopermalink

In the USA, today Oct 9th 2018, you won't find it cheaper than 600usd new from legitimate dealers.

You didn't check, and you just blathered.

I don't care what price you can find it for in China. You didn't cite Chinese pricing in your original post.

In fact, wide open, even on the Mark 1 so a sensor with less resolution, the lens is not incredibly sharp.

But yes, it is generally a very good lens.

1 week agopermalink

Canono_1

HowaboutRAW
I bought my mk1 in March 2015 for 797 and got $50 gift card + 32GB SD card.

1 week agopermalink

Canono_1:

$800 or $750 is more than $600; given your 2015 purchase you have to do some counting of inflation too.

NB: gifts cards of X dollars are not the same as their face value in cash. You don't get to keep the cash. If you manage to spend 98 percent of the face value of one of those cards, you'd still have only purchased about $25 in stuff at the wholesale value. Depends on limits about where you exchange the card I realize.

1 week agopermalink

https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/7065627980/panasonic-lx100-ii-sample-gallery/8827047973
https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/7065627980/panasonic-lx100-ii-sample-gallery/9195063435

yuuuuuuuuup!

1 week agopermalink

kobakokh

mark 1 was a absolutely great camera with some top quality lens, this will be even better i think...

1 week agopermalink

mainger

Nice images, but the "bokeh" is not very pleasant.
(Yes, I know it's a small sensor!)

1 week agopermalink

Gary Martin

Can photography exist without bokeh?

1 week agopermalink

AbrasiveReducer

Outside of Japan, photography did exist without bokeh until about 1970. That's when photo magazines in the U.S. picked up on it. Suddenly, out of focus circles were no longer just a collateral effect. Circles of confusion became an art form.

1 week ago*permalink

mainger

I'm not saying there's no bokeh, I'm saying I don't find the bokeh from that camera to be very pleasant.

1 week agopermalink