I am a factual person, everything I have said can be seen in DPReview's gallery, just open your eyes! by the way Zeiss are making also other products which are awesome and inspiring !

Your subjective opinion is NOT fact. Mind-blowing right?

He is right those pictures are mediocre to poor at BEST

How did you quantify that? Go to sleep moron.

@Su
Agree that considering the price of camera a deal could have been worked out with big boy Adobe. Life of camera subscription?

Adobe won’t do perpetual licenses on the Photoshop family of products. Ever. They found (shortly before they became subscription only) that up to 90% of the “licenses” being used worldwide were fraudulent. That’s why they went subscription based. It wasn’t to extract more money from honest users (on average it doesn’t). It was to cut down on the fraud and maybe convert some of those licenses to legitimate ones.

>up to 90% of the “licenses” being used worldwide were fraudulent
Really? And you think subscription only helps them? There are still countless pirated versions on the net and if anything subscription only should only push more people away from "legit" licenses.
Ultimately, I'm only talking about the perpetual license on this single closed down device anyway, which would be near impossible, and not worth the effort to adapt to other devices or otherwise abuse.

It seems the one-year license you get with the camera purchase refers to a desktop version. The one in the camera shouldn’t be time-limited..

S Yu:

And clearly in my comment I was NOT comparing it to the Sony RX1RII, which doesn't have the lens of either the Q2 or this Zeiss, I was comparing this Zeiss to the Leica Q2 in regards to weight.

Note how I didn't mention the Sony RX1RII--a camera which retails for $3300, not $2500, last I checked--anywhere in my comment.

Mounting wide M lenses on an A7c will bring vignetting problems. Then of course, M lenses are manual focus, while the M lenses, albeit there's only one light one--it's 50mm, that are in the class of this Zeiss start around $8000 apiece.

Yes, the Zeiss ZX1 is surprisingly light AND well balanced.

You are correct Sir. The A7C with Leica (or Zeiss) lenses is very impressive. Especially with a MS Optics APORIA 24MM F2 M Mount. The smallest FF with an EVF.

Corvus 66:

Aren't you running into vignetting problems with that 24mm M mount lens on a Sony A7c?

@HowaboutRAW Hey, I don't know what you're basing this on but I don't think you could tell automatically from these samples that the lens would match the 50/2 APO.

For the purposes of this product as shown through Zeiss's own promotion video, you don't need impeccable sharpness wide open, the vast majority of M mount lenses would suffice. Otherwise with the selection of M mount lenses some may still end up lighter with an AF adapter, like @Corvus66 said, likely smaller too, and not all M mount lenses have issues on E mount, they can only be determined strictly on a per-lens basis.

Also, my point still stands that at 800g it's hardly a compact, the size doesn't help, and the Q2 is also lighter than this, so I don't see anything surprising about the size or weight other than the fact that it seems oversized and overweight.

S Yu:

No, this lens would not match the Leica M 50mm APO. This Zeiss has a Zeiss look and that Leica has a Leica look. Note my phrasing: "in the class of", not "looks the same".

"you don't need impeccable sharpness wide open, the vast majority of M mount lenses would suffice"

Vignetting is hardly about blurred corners, vignetting is FAR MORE about darkened corners than blurring in the corners--after all many excellent lenses aren't especially sharp off centre.

"Also, my point still stands that at 800g it's hardly a compact, the size doesn't help, and the Q2 is also lighter than this, "

Nowhere did I claim that ZX1 is compact, I said it's surprisingly light and well balanced.

Nor did I say: "all M mount lenses have issues on [F]E mount bodies". I specifically said wide M mount lenses will have vignetting problems on full framed FE, not E, mount cameras like the Sony A7C. (In FF terms, 24mm is wide.)

You put a lot of words into my comment/s that I simply didn't write.

Though English isn't my first language, I'm gonna have to assume you're having more issues with it than I am.
>not "looks the same"
"Match"!="looks the same", "Match"="is a match for", which is comparable to "in the class of".
>vignetting is FAR MORE about darkened corners
There's not just vignetting with M lenses on E mount, there's also color cast which is the bigger issue, which would by broad definition still count as vignetting because it's basically pixel level vignetting due to thick microlenses, but as I said, they vary drastically and can only be evaluated on a per-case basis even among wide angle lenses.
The 50/2 APO is known for its uniformly high sharpness, not uniform illumination, but in any case, no comparison can currently be made between the ZX1 lens and the 50/2 APO, so I can only say that you're completely confused about this.
>Nowhere did I claim that ZX1 is compact
DPR called this "a full-frame, fixed lens compact". Respect the context provided by the article.

The sensor seems really bad for FF. It seems to be Towerjazz or something.

S Yu:

What don't you like about the sensor? The DNGs I downloaded, including the ISO 5000 one, look excellent.

TowerJazz sensors have vastly improved, see the the Leica SL2/Panasonic S1R, likely the M10-R too. There's debate about the Panasonic S1's sensor being/not being from TJ, but it's excellent.

Canonical? ;-)

Lol yes that is totally worth it..

mepaca:

Better colour.

Additionally: I've now handled the ZX1 and its body is better designed than the RX1RII too. However its UI is a mess, Zeiss could take some lessons from Leica about how to design a camera that heavily uses a touch screen interface. Perhaps OS updates and FW tweaks can help the ZX1.

It's all about talent and skill and it is what separate good from great, something you can't change regardless of what camera you have. Truth hurts some people are better than others so hating isn't going to get you anywhere, except that if you wanna look like a fool, be my guest then.