IBIS? It's inside Nikon's Z 7 as well, so ... not really.

Thematic. Thanks for telling us you find it helpful that he will wait for further images to come out

@Bigsensorisbest: You made my day :) I really don't get these folks that seemingly cannot stand other people offering their take of a product in a forum connected to an article about that product...

@arcimboldo you were supposed to thank me for thanking him for telling us he was going to wait for more images to come out 😁

@MILC man And where has anybody stated that DFD won't work with Leica lenses? Do you have any documentation? Leica has used DFD, a Panasonic invention, for years already on their L-mount camera. It would be strange if it didn't work with Leica lenses on Panasonic L-mount cameras as well, don't you think?

@zakk9 - And where has anybody stated that DFD will work with 3rd-party brands? Do you have any documentation?

leica is part of the consortium, so it's not relevant to any of this... and leica lenses are stupidly overpriced, so there is no advantage there, leica is a huge negative.

every l-mount lens that sigma makes will also be released in other mounts, so sigma isn't an advantage either.

tell us zakk9, will there be l-mount electronic adapters that allow ef-mount lenses to af on these Panasonic bodies? what kind of 3rd-party lens support will l-mount get, when the camera body must be programmed with the lens bokeh characteristics in order to have af capability?

@MILC man - You wrote "... dfd only worked with Panasonic lenses on Panasonic bodies..."

If there's a "huge negative" here, it's MILC man, not Leica. There's nothing wrong with Leica lenses, except possibly the price. If you can't afford them, don't buy them. They won't work on your Sony anyway.

Please just stop......

People were still excited about the invention of the wheel back then. FF MILCs are a bit more common today, and it takes special features or performance to stand out, esp if you don't already have a large installed base of lenses to use on it.

First time to Spain and I loved it! Wish we had more time.

We did a short walking tour with Gordon Laing from CameraLabs that was the highlight of the trip. You'll see still and photos in our upcoming field test video!

Don't get me wrong Jordan, I love Spain and could sit sipping wine eating tapas all day , the Basque women are stunning and there is so much to see beyond the obvious. I once said all I wanted was an apartment close to Ramblas market , so I could buy fresh food every day ...and get fatter :)
Ramblas however is the world epicentre for pick pockets ! The teams are linked deeply into the culture, and can spend on your stolen cards before you think they are gone. If you have a gold filling... keep your mouth closed.

Now some video shot on the Panasonic ...hmmm nice .

Azathothh there is nonsense..... in your naivety.
https://www.barcelona-tourist-guide.com/en/ramblas/barcelona-las-ramblas.html

Read to the bottom " Safety along Las Ramblas"
Seems their tourist advice agrees with me, as do others
posting here. My comments and advice come from conversations with the Barcelona Police, who you no doubt think are wrong too.

hmm, i don't agree. The picture is messy, loses some FF quality we expect. For me it is not high end image, IMO

@ SGal23: People read pretty much what they want into comments, not only here, but in general. ;-)

Based on specs alone I would agree...the S1R is better then anything else available.

@Max ISO

How are you determining this?

It's pretty clear, we know the AF will be awesome, Panasonic has great 4k, they have plenty of MP, the EVF is the best in the industry, the ergos are great. Clearly it's the best out there bar none.

@Max

So you're extrapolating the performance of this camera from other Panasonic cameras - all of which were M43?

You're placing the resolution of the EVF (something you can't see in any photograph taken with the camera) above the IQ, AF systems and lens selection?

The camera is large, that likely means it's comfortable to hold. That isn't the same as having 'great ergos'. DPR has already pointed out one ergonomic deficiency - the on/off switch is located on the top plate behind the shutter release so the camera requires two hands to turn on.

If you've ever used a gripped camera you'll know that you have to turn the grip off or your thigh will change your camera settings. Sony solved this problem by putting an on/off collar around the grip shutter release. Nikon also does this - on the D5 for example. The Lumix has a fiddly switch recessed behind the shutter release. Shots will be missed turning the camera on in portrait mode.

Ergonomics isn't 'it feels nice in my hand'.

I have owned a grip for every camera i have owned that has one available, which include D700 (twice), D300, A77II, G9, EM1, D7000 (3 times), 70D, and D800. I never turn the grip on, i like it for more hand space and more battery life.

And who said ergos meant larger size? I said one advantage was great ergos, a conclusion i arrived at by studying the design and comparing it with other cameras, some which were more comfortable than others. Show me where i said ergos means very nice in hand?

You seem to be reaching in hopes of correcting me on something, anything, and you come off as very pedantic and rather trollish. Yes we get it, you don't want Panasonic to be king of the ML hill, you don't have to pretend to be a fair judge.

@Max Iso - "It's pretty clear, we know the AF will be awesome"

no, dfd will never be "awesome", lol.

early reviews all say that this dfd is weak sauce, and of course Panasonic has always made dfd proprietary, to it only works with Panasonic lenses... fail.

@Max ISO

"you come off as very pedantic and rather trollish. Yes we get it, you don't want Panasonic to be king of the ML hill, you don't have to pretend to be a fair judge."

No I don't. This is in your mind. Please don't project it on to me. I don't even think of cameras or systems in the kind of hierarchy you describe - 'king of the hill'.

My problem with your post was this:

'Easily the best FF ML on the market.'

and

'Clearly it's the best out there bar none.'

No reviewer has a production camera currently and you have even less, so those statements are simply suppositions and would be better expressed with less certainty on your part.

@Max ISO

"I have owned a grip for every camera i have owned that has one available, which include D700 (twice), D300, A77II, G9, EM1, D7000 (3 times), 70D, and D800. I never turn the grip on, i like it for more hand space and more battery life."

I would say you are untypical in owning eight battery grips for three different camera systems and never turning any of them on.

I would bet that most users of the Lumix S1 do turn the grip on.

Presumptions are your main problem here. I have used Panasonic, Nikon, Sony, Canon, and Olympus. I take everything i have used into consideration, as well as what i know about cameras i have not used. It isn't hard to imagine what it would be like to have a certain button here or there, or a dial missing.

So you want me to explain exactly how i think the ergos would be good? Im not here to convince you, you clearly have your mind made up before you posted here. How about you offer some reasons why the ergos are bad?

And while i appreciate your advice on my suppositions, my certainty remains. Panasonic FF is easily, easily, the best FF ML system around, and it's likely to get far better real soon.

And ironically, you are projecting by accusing me of projecting, you are the one who assumed my discussion of ergos was all about size. Do you often assume the person you are talking to is wrong, when it's actually you who is wrong?

@Max ISO

"So you want me to explain exactly how i think the ergos would be good? Im not here to convince you, you clearly have your mind made up before you posted here."

Yeah. You said they were good. Explain why. Drop the insults, I've not insulted you. You're the one making claims about the camera so you have to back them up - the onus is not on anyone else to say anything. I've stated my position, I don't think you can say its 'Easily the best FF ML on the market.' and 'Clearly it's the best out there bar none.' because no-one has tested it, least of all you. That the opposite of having your mind made up - I've said no-one knows whether the camera is good or not.

"How about you offer some reasons why the ergos are bad?"

I gave you an example already - the position of the on/off switch. But again, you were the one who said it had 'good ergos' so must know why you thought that. You've said it wasn't to do with the size so what was it?

It's self explanatory dude. If i think the ergos are good, am i supposed to say hey i like the shutter button where it is, that i like the video button out of the way and by the EVF? It goes without saying, otherwise i would have already stated something specifically i don't think would work well.

I think the placement of the buttons and the dials is in a very natural setup, i like how they have 3 dials total like my G9. Much of that camera would be very similar to my G9, which is the most comfortable and smooth operating camera i have ever used.

You have it backwards, if i like it and think it would work well, i can name off every button and dial and say yea, i like them right there, which would be a waste of time. Or you can specify what exactly you think is wrong with it since you are challenging my ergos opinion.

But we both know you aren't going to do that, bc you are only here to troll against Panasonic bc you prefer Sony.

You haven't seen or used the camera. You have no idea whether it's good or bad. You're basing your guess as to its quality on how well you like you G9, which is an M43 camera.

At last we get there.
:/

Im basing my opinions on my G9, as well as GX8 i owned, and GX7 twice (panasonic tends to have their own style through all their cameras). Im also basing it on the several previews on the net, including the ongoing and fairly in depth DPR threads. I can also tell a lot about a camera's ergos just by looking at it.

We have sites that show true size vs other cameras so i can also see how big or small the dials and buttons are, and how they are spaced apart. What im getting from you is you are not capable of forming an opinion based on anything but first hand use.

I understand your limitation, i just don't share it.

Only jpg shooter care

RAW editing software emulates JPG colors, so RAW shooters without software that offers profiles other than those, or RAW shooters that don't know how to make their own profiles, should care.

They can always tweak the JPEG settings in camera, just because DPR galleries or manufacturer samples use the default settings, doesn't mean everyone has to?

The defaults are not good for every case, on pretty much any camera gallery I've seen.

"I think we are all learning that DPR forums are becoming the LAST place to go if you want to find any truth. "

correction: "I think we are all learning that DPR *article comment sections* are becoming the LAST place to go if you want to find any truth."