Sony a6600 review: Amazing autofocus, acceptable ergonomics

So, photonto photos published their noise and dr numbers for the a6600, wowza, makes the x-t3 look like it’s 3 years out of date already, .7ev dr improvement at iso100, something the x-t3 still doesn’t have, or ibis lol. As for the little Canon m6ii, a6600 is from another universe!

2 weeks agopermalink

Mr_Win

disappointing price tag lead me to get the A6400 instead, it'll be my B camera.

at 1100, I might consider it, but not at the initial price. looks like the market demanded that sony drop the price, and the market won.

3 weeks agopermalink

Focus On Why Media

Yeah I totally came to the same conclusion! I use the a6400 as my B Cam as well. Wish the A6600 was cheaper.

1 week agopermalink

cosinaphile

ive got all the apsc love i need from fuji ... that said if sony offered this body with a ff sensor at a decent price ?.... id be at B&H tommorrow at 9am sharp

3 weeks agopermalink

B Bob

This camera does not have acceptable ergonomics for left eye dominant people like me. Left side viewfinders just don't work well for left eye dominant folks. I looked and tried out this camera. My nose goes right in the middle of the back screen.

1 month agopermalink

mandophoto

Well, as a left eye photographer myself, I actually prefer having the EVF on the left because it allows additional space for my hand on the right, and keeping my right eye safe from my thumb. Also, the camera blocks the right eye making easy to keep open.

Yes, it would be nice if the EVF on these cameras extended out more but then we’d loose compactness.

1 month agopermalink

ojos azules

Selling like hotcakes.

1 month agopermalink

The Jimmy 86

I have to ask, because I don't know where else to do so: WHERE is the S1H review? Is there some sort of holdup? And if so, it might be a good idea to throw out a tiny little disclaimer article about it.
Not to sound cranky, but it's been available for some time now.

1 month agopermalink

PVCdroid

DPReview had never liked Sony's aps-c design so now they're going to start punishing Sony in ratings. They want it bigger and we don't. Sony sold gazillions if these cameras so get over it

1 month agopermalink

BrentSchumer

I shoot an A6400. Ergonomic criticism is not just size; these cameras lack a second top dial, touchscreen in menus, etc. Smaller cameras like the GX85 offer more comprehensive controls. These crop cameras also excludes features like UHS-II card slots, sensors with acceptable readout speed, etc. Sony isn't putting the same effort to create well-rounded APSC cameras that other manufacturers are.

A6X00 cameras have great AF and are good to shoot, but criticism isn't some sort of bias.

1 month agopermalink

ozturert

It isn't only the size. It is overall ergonomy and menu system. I have used almost all Sony APSC cameras since Nex 3and Sony still is too stubborn to do it right. Just look at Z50 and you'll see how to design a proper camera (ergonomy and menus).
Sony is a great electronics company but somehow they try to save penny by not hiring real photographers.

1 month agopermalink

AlexLex

@ozturert - so you were masochistically using all Sony apsc camera since day one!? Why didn't you stop after few ones or there is somersetting else here in your post!? When one goes trough your comment history it's not that hard to see that you basically lying every time about it.

1 month agopermalink

ozturert

Alexlex, I have no reason to lie. Don't blame people without knowing a thing about them.
I like and hate Sony system. You can see all my Sony reviews here (in Turkish though): http://halkboyleistiyor.com/wp/?cat=16
So I know a thing or two about Sony.

1 month agopermalink

cosinaphile

love the body .... less the menu

3 weeks agopermalink

need to think of a unique name

no review of IS, same as A6500?

1 month agopermalink

terrymcke

I own an NEX 7 and A6400. I also am an old film shooter. When the reviewer wonders why camera makers are giving only incremental improvements, look at the NEX 7. A 7 year old camera that still takes great pictures that stand up to its younger brothers. What we have is a mature technology where change will be incremental.

All cameras are made with compromises and it is certainly possible that different compromises might have been made. But as a Sony user, the idea of a battery that has an 800 shot life is enough positive change for me. i normally carry 2 camera and 8 batteries into the field.

The only area where I agree fully on negatives are with Sony's menus. But you do get used to it over time.

1 month ago*permalink

guyfawkes

Interesting. I have the 5N, Nex 7, A7 and an old CD500. I got the 5N over the Nex 7 when I read comments about the 7's 24mp sensor being perhaps a bit too much for APS-C at the time. And the 5N was significantly cheaper. My choice was confirmed some years later when I picked up a mint Nex 7 for a very good price. The 5N's IQ is superior. Some shots I took at 800ISO with the little Sigma 30mm f2.8 (highly rated by LensRentals) are superb. So perhaps the 7's higher ISO use is compromised by being 24mp.

Although I added the add-on EVF for the 5N, I still feel that the overall combined price to be a better package than the 7, image wise.

Images from the 5mp CD500 are sharp, possibly due to the Zeiss lens and only 3x zoom range, and surprisingly "clean". I wonder if this is because it uses a CCD sensor?

1 month ago*permalink

PVCdroid

Guy,
You would have the same feeling when you move to full frame. It's what a7riv users say comparing to a7riii. The higher resolution makes you think you're seeing more noise. Reduce the loupe or magnification proportionately to the sensor size and you'll be on an even playing field.

1 month agopermalink

Endgame Trigger

The Upside of this misery is, that an A7rII (Landscaper) or the A7III (more sports orientated shooter) look very attractive now. There are even a few reasonable priced and sized ff lenses for the E-Mount out there. I've got the A7rII and am still happy with ist, cause the image quality, the resolution and the post production flesh (DR, ISO-Invariance) are still fine for me, as the sort of touristic or landscape photographer, who can carry one spare battery.

The other upside is, that my A6000 (a bargain, even a few years ago) 'pocket cam' is still attractive for me. I don't feel the most urgent need to update. Sad, that the A6000 lacks an IBIS and that its post production flesh is only on a EOS 80D level, not as good as e.g. a very versatile D7200 or even the A6300. If the A6500 gets cheaper I'll change. Same with the A7rIII. When it hits the 1800 € bugs, I'll update my big camera for its bigger battery, the even better DR/ISO-invariance and the Joystick.

1 month ago*permalink

Endgame Trigger

The A6500 will start to attract me, when it hits the 600€ bugs mark. It's a Crop camera, damn it. The entry price for a crop camera, even a very capable one, must not overshot the 1200€ line. Where did we get?

I also own an A77II, which was only 1200 bugs new, and it is still very capable, way more capable than e.g. an EOS 7D Mk II or 80D, faster, better sensor and IQ, even native ISO-50 stable (for landscaping and shadow boosting) like the virtuous D850 (ISO 64), but it is soooo bulky, same for the lenses I own.

The A7rII with the f4/16-35 landscape lens is so attractive as a traveler's and hiker's camera and the A6*** class even fits into the pocket or the handlebar bag with the foldable pancake.

I'm really the sort of shooter who gives in ergonomics for size and weight. That said I don't understand, why there is no place for a front dial on the A6*** class, when they've even been able to fit a reasonable and essential view finder in the corner and an IBIS behind the sensor?

1 month ago*permalink

Kirk Bruner

Go back to the image quality comparison page and swap out one of the cameras with the a77 II. It's the best APS-C camera of the lot. Yeah, it's bigger and heavier. So what? Image quality, OK?

1 month agopermalink

Trying to understand the How it Compares chart and the green vs red (orange colour?)... for instance the M6ii is 65% cheaper, +50% pixel count and 20% lighter but the chart appears to be neutral for these areas and negative for headphone socket and battery. Are the colours used to to quickly show the pros and cons? Given the M6ii's 30fps burst (@ not quite full res but includes 0.5s pre-shutter), it could have rated a "*" qualification for this aspect as well (with green). Another row could show the DPR score/award as well.

1 month agopermalink

Joe

My a6500 has served well but suffers a quality problem that it appears this model continues, the markings on the mode dial are simple, vulnerable, CHEAP paint on aluminum with no embossing nor coating to protect them.
After 16 months' moderate use, very little of it with multiple bodies, the A-S-P-M-etc. marks are almost gone. I have been unable to reach anyone at Sony who seems to care. Apparently, the set cost for the repair, sending it in to them, is an absurd $389.
This is ridiculous. I've been a photojournalist since 1960(!) and never has any of the many cameras I've used had such a silly, slipshod fault.
In contrast, problems with my Olympus OM-D EM-series cameras are readily and graciously addressed by phone and email; I've done it this week.
I was converting to Sonys for everything. The RX10 III and A7R III have been super, but the a6000 and a6500 have both had this silly beancounter created problem. No more.

1 month agopermalink

skanter

I’ve heavily used an a6000 and a6300 for the past 5 years, everything still looks pristine. Either a defect, or you have sandpaper for skin.:-)

1 month agopermalink

Joe

Well, if you want the absolute truth, I am a dinosaur. That could be it. But I've also used a LOT of cameras over the last 59 years and never run into something like this. My 1948 Leica (I got it when it was about 30) and all that followed chronologically have legible markings still. Could it be that the abrasive surface of my flickering tongue is abrading the a6500?
It has in fact done first class work, from photographing the Portland Waterfront Blues Festival to microscopic studies of Precambrian stromatolites to portraits of Native American elders. I'm thinking about printing out new mode dial markings, engraving them myself onto the dial, many options. I should not have to be wasting time doing this. We dinosaurs have asteroids to worry about.

1 month agopermalink

philo123

I had an a6000 a few years back with a couple of lenses and just didn't feel the love. The whole package just felt, well a bit flimsy/plasticky. I've now settled on Olympus EM1Mkii with some pro lenses and the experience could not be more different. I really enjoy picking up the body/lenses and admire them which inspires me to go out shooting. Even looking back at some of the Sony images with the 35 F1.8 they don't compare to the Oly 12-40 F2.8. Nothing against Sony but not for me

1 month agopermalink

skanter

I had an a6000 - it died and i replaced with an a6300 - far more robust, somewhat weatherproofed, better VF, 4K video, and silent shutter. Huge improvement - even the sensor was improved.

1 month agopermalink

2JoeA7R2

Ridiculously overpriced compared to my a6400.

1 month agopermalink

pwmoree

Today I returned to The Netherlands from a 3 week shooting session in Patagonia with this a6600. I got the camera just 2 weeks before my departure (my 6500 was stolen a few weeks earlier). So I am a somewhat "experienced" user at the moment.

Mostly shooting BIF and wildlife with the 100-400 GM plus its 1.4 tc
Next to that I shot the fabulous landscapes with the 16mm 2.8 lens.
Very impressed with the number of keepers and quality of the shots.
Sometime next week I will post some of those in the sony apsc forum.

Handling was fine after I spend the first week adjusting buttons etc to my favourite private settings. The autofocus is phenomenal. Battery life incredible.

If my 6500 had not been stolen, I doubt that I would have upgraded though.
The somewhat forced upgraded however gives me markedly improved results.

Peter

1 month ago*permalink

because of AF upgrade?

1 month agopermalink

Newbie4Life

And another thing.....

Can this modern wonder take a picture while filming a movie????

No it can not.

So you need two of them if you want both photos and movies at the same time.

A minor quible for some but for me it's a deal breaker when there are other cameras on the market that can take a photo while filming a movie.

Again 10000000 pages of coverage and no mention by dpreview that no canon and no sony can take a picture while taking a video while others such as panasonic handle the task nicely.

1 month agopermalink

ozturert

You take video, you break video for 2-3 seconds, take a photo, and continue the video. It isn't fun to me.

1 month agopermalink

Newbie4Life

As an A6000 user, who throws up a little every time I pick up the camera I have not even looked at any of the later models.

It's a tired old design that sony needs to abandon.

Question for dpreview: Why don't you even mention, in 100000 web pages of sony coverage that for photos these NEX body styles with a movie aspect ratio screen (short and wide) are the equivalent of a 2.6" screen due to the "letter boxing" of full size photos?????

2.6" may have been awesome in the 15 years ago but these days it's totally unacceptable for photos.

1 month ago*permalink

The chief reason I chose the similar and earlier Nex 6 was it was very compact due to the 16-50 collapsible lens.

The A6000 with that lens was later available as low as $450. That was such a compact bargain capable of high quality 24MP images that any quibles about ergonomics could be overlooked.

But once one considers spending $1800 with a largish lens on it, many of the reasons that brought me to it become non applicable.

1 month ago*permalink

To add on, I bought the Nex 6 then the A6000 as a replacement for a small p&s camera that I used for travel. Not as a replacement for my larger pro gear. But I did find that the quality of the A6000 images was more than good enough for some assignments, and I have never found the camera to be awkward or difficult to use. Quite the opposite... easy to carry and to use quickly.

1 month ago*permalink

Billy_s

That it means on all other pages regardless brand, dpreview has to elaborate that a traditional 3:2 screen is smaller for 16:9 video too? You're right actually, it's not 15 years ago, camera nowadays do video quite well.

1 month agopermalink

Newbie4Life

Billy_s sure if this was dVreview that would make a lot of sense (digital video reviews versus digital PHOTOGRAPHY review). While it's great these can take video At the end of the days these are first and foremost cameras for taking photographs and this is a camera review site.

As sony is the only brand with a 16:9 screen dimishing the size of PHOTOS you would think it would be mentioned somewere here. At the very least on the recent rant on how one of the editors hates the sony ergonomics.

1 month agopermalink

Wrong title.

Amazing autofocus, UNacceptable ergonomics.

2 months agopermalink

TechGadgetGeek

That is pretty much a $1400 investment into a High End digital camera for a 83% rating which sounds like a B-. I would expect better rating numbers if I owned a $1000 smartphone with a. decent camera to drop another $1400 to get a 83% rating out of digital camera. I have always liked this series from Sony and wanted one but hard to justify price these days for what smartphone cameras can do these days as well

2 months agopermalink

Revenant

According to DPR, 80% and above is "outstanding", certainly not meant to be considered a B-.

1 month agopermalink

TechGadgetGeek

Numbers of 83% being outstanding is confusing. In school I was taught that 83% was a B-. If a MacBook Pro computer got a 83% rating I don't think it would be viewed as outstanding. 83 out of a 100 right...?

1 month agopermalink

Revenant

I guess you're thinking of school grades, where 80-89% would be a B. I don't think DPR's scoring system works like that.

1 month agopermalink

ARB1

How would the AF stack up against the A7RII?

2 months agopermalink

Much-much-much better. I mean if you shoot action or if you like the convenience of the racking AF (no more changing between S-AF and C-AF). The A6600 is on the level of the A7r4.
If you shoot only landscape, than the two cameras are the same from AF point of view. :)

2 months agopermalink

MFiftysomething

Good job DP review!

2 months agopermalink

zakaria

Canon and Sony like a chicken does not stop producing eggs. Many cameras have the same taste

2 months agopermalink

George1958

Is this some kind of yolk?

2 months agopermalink

RubberDials

Beat it. Both of you.

2 months agopermalink

ARB1

But which came first?

2 months agopermalink

Egg. There is no doubt about it because of evolution.

2 months agopermalink

eggolution

2 months agopermalink

pollup

So for the a6700, Sony needs to use the XT-3 sensor, add a front dial, dual UHS-ii, a faster CPU... and call it their new flagship APS-C camera. That's it I guess?

2 months agopermalink

Vitto110

no, thank you, about the fuji sensor that is, xtrans is a dead horse, no advantages over regular byer matrix but more trouble for pp software

2 months agopermalink

jesus_freak

I'm really confused on how cameras in general are priced. At one point, I thought that the sensor was the most expensive component of a digital camera, and the biggest determining factor of a product's retail price.

However, the A6X00, A7, A7R, and even RX100 range of cameras all have models in the $1,500 price range, each with vastly different sensor sizes.

2 months agopermalink

If the ergonomics of this camera are so bad, why would Sony design it that way and keep that design for a number of years on several models?

If the ergonomics are so bad, why do so many people buy the camera and enjoy using it?

If the ergonomics are "improved," will the people who have not bought one due to its current ergonmics buy one? Is this number significant enough to justify the cost of a re-design?

2 months agopermalink

My friend tried to well one a6000 to me cause he hated to ergonomins,i decline him because i hated the ergonomins 😀 Witch is Pity because the camera itself was really good.

No some people like it i guess but look at the a7 series they got alot of complaints and fixad a beefier grip First with the a7r4
So Sony is not the best at listening to peoples complaints fast. compared to the likes of Canon m6ii the ergonomins is quite bad but om the other side Canons ergonomins are excellent

2 months agopermalink

C-M-S

It’s not nearly as bad as some people will make it sound, its way overblown. People on sites like this need to have something to complain about, especially people who do not own the product and would not buy it no matter how good it was.
The A6x00 is a very popular camera series.

2 months agopermalink

Ergonomics are subjective and you are right Most people here complain about stuff they never even seen. But i had the a6000 för a couper of weeks and i hated it. Not a finaste but compares to Canons cameras for exemple it was not well tought out. But as i said this was just me

2 months agopermalink

Humberto Silva

To me, this new grip makes the camera worse, to the niche it was designed for. I had the A7 III and A6000 at the same time. Yes, A7 III as more direct controls, etc.. But also a lot bulkier. Even if I compare it to my X-T2 which I like a lot, the A6000 is a lot easier to hold. I don't see the same level of complaints about the Fuji X-T20 /30 models. Did you ever got one in your hands? Don't understand how is it possible to see so many good reviews about a credit card with a lens mount.

The A6000 series were designed to be compact. Same for A7 series. First A7 series were really on the compact size. Then with all the DSLR comparisons they got enlarged, just like modern cars.

2 months ago*permalink

Dave Oddie

I own a Sony A77 which at the time I bought it was the flagship APS-C camera and the ergonomics on that blow the A6xxx series out of the water.

For that matter its got better ergonomics than the A7 series as well.

In both cases I am convinced Sony put form over function. Some group in the marketing dept won out over the engineers.

The trouble is particularly with the A7 series Sony wants to sell it to pros and so slowly it is morphing into something it ought to have been from the off.
The DPR video where they handed an Ax series to a Canon pro was very telling "put it in a dslr body and I will switch" was his conclusion.

Not the same pressure to change on the Axxxx series so they stick with the silly design. I am sure Sony loses sales because of it. I for one would not switch to an Axxxx series.

2 months agopermalink

Dave - Yes, Sony definitely put form over function. Sony's marketing at the time the a7 series was launched, was all about small size, low weight. They also had the problem that they had to create something unique, as an alternative to Canon and Nikon DSLRs.

Hence the square styling and compact size, which deliberately targeted the younger end of the enthusiast market - those brought up on smartphones.

The problem for Sony is that if they want to win over those of us brought up on film SLRs and DSLRs, they have to make their cameras look and feel like "real" cameras, instead of electronic gadget boxes. They are getting there, slowly (the a7Riv seems to be a big step in the right direction), but they've still a long way to go.

I think it was Panasonic who coined the expression "cameraness" - a quality they deliberately designed into the S1. So at least we have a choice.

2 months ago*permalink

Deliverator

A few years back a friend asked me for advice on buying a camera. I suggested he look at the Nikon D5500 or the Sony A6000, and pick the one he liked the best. He went to the store, handled both, and - to my great surprise - bought the Nikon, because, as he put it, the Sony was just "really weird". So I do suppose ergonomics matter to some people.

1 month agopermalink

badbob42mk1

single card slot? am out!

2 months agopermalink

Jack Jian

Because they have to copy the leader who've done number 1 for 16 consecutive years to survive the market and make profit. ;)

2 months agopermalink

tinternaut

Spot on for dealing with Sony’s tech leadership vs their ergonomics and overall usability. They can and should address this.

2 months agopermalink

Mister Anders0n

And this is why I won't leave my DSLR. It has amazing autofocus AND amazing ergonomics. All these companies keep pumping out MILCs like they were going out of style, and they still haven't figured out how to make the ergos better. Sorry, camera makers, but I will not reward your stupidity.

2 months agopermalink

MILC man

no dslr has af like this.

dslrs have lousy ergonomics; i'm tired of carrying a clumsy brick around all day, so I went with milc.

2 months ago*permalink

MILCman - that's quite funny, considering that Sony are slowly but most definitely "evolving" their a7 and a9 cameras to make them *more* like traditional DSLRs....

2 months agopermalink

Sactojim

I recently went into my local camera shop, Mikes in Sacramento, and played with the A 6500. Beautiful camera, but the minute they put on the 55-210, the balance is wack. At the price of this new 6600, I'll take the Nikon Z6 with it's great ergonomics and have access to all my Nikkor and Sigma lenses. Two dislikes on the Sony: menu is not user friendly and the grip and back are too small for me. Ok, another negative..no weatherproofing.

1 month agopermalink

W3PYF

Sony has mirrorless cameras both in the rangefinder emulation and the DSLR emulation. I own an A7III, an A7II, and an A6000. I travel with the A7III and A6000 at the ready, and my A7II in my rollaboard as a backup.

What is appealing to me about the A6600 is that it uses the same battery as my A7III. What is not appealing is price. At ISO 100 and a 12mm f2 Rokinon on the A6000, and a 15mm Voigtlander on the A7III, I have to look at the EXIF to tell which camera shot a wide angle shot.

I just won’t pay $1300 to replace my APS-C camera. I’ve had a great 55-210 and good 16-50 PZ, and a fabulous 8mm Rokinon since my NEX-6 days. I see no benefit to replacing my A6000 until it dies.

1 month agopermalink

mmartel

@Mister Anders0n How exactly does having a mirror and OVF improve ergonomics exactly?

Consider Panasonic G9 or S1, or Nikon Z line.

Having a prism and mirror doesn't automatically make ergonomics better. Lacking a mirror doesn't automatically make ergonomics worse.

You may just happen to prefer large, chunky bodies with large grips and traditional controls in the traditional places. That's cool, and there's lots of people who feel the same way.

I know this is hard to believe, but some people might actually prefer different things that you do. So camera makers might not be so stupid to provide alternatives.

1 month agopermalink

mmartel - Exactly. Ergonomics is about how humans interact with objects, and has nothing to do with personal preferences.

For ergonomic efficiency and camera should have the following qualities, which are achievable with either DSLR or MILC:

1 - Body/lens combo should be comfortable to hold and well balanced.
2 - Controls should be easily accessible and intuitive to operate.
3 - Viewfinder should be clear, bright and not cause eyestrain.
4 - Information displays should be easily read.
5 - Menus should be logically laid out, clear and quick to navigate.
6 - Weight should not be excessive enough to cause aches or pains.

Getting these factors right is more to do with the abilities, experience and commitment of the design team, than to do with whether the camera is a MILC, or a DSLR, fixed-lens camera or smartphone.

1 month ago*permalink

The fun part is that those who buy the camera will enjoy it, while those who don't find it good enough, not worth the money, too old tech, or not their "own" brand so that they have to say something negative anyway, hopefully will enjoy something else for their photography. :-)

2 months agopermalink

Well i know to people who bought a a6x00 Model and shippped it back because the ergonomics so no not everyone..but maybe they are just in the minoroty

2 months agopermalink

@ Johans81: I have heard about one who told that a fiend of his uncle returned a new camera, a major and popular brand, returned the camera because of performance issues, and went for a Sony camera instead. Trust me, this is a true story!

2 months ago*permalink

Those who bought the camera with hard-earned cash basically don't have another choice but enjoying it.

2 months agopermalink

yaa people buying cameras from their earned money hate their cameras while real experts are those buy cameras from money they did not earn.

their opinion is what counts.

2 months agopermalink

No you dont magnus

2 months agopermalink

I would like to hear from those who actually own the the a6500 and the a6600. Improved battery life is good, but I usually carry extra batteries. I am pure amateur, so image quality is my prime concern. I own the Nex 6 and 7, and the a6000 and a6500.

2 months agopermalink

Jack Jian

Noobs care about bokeh
Advance noobs care about sharpness
Amateur cares about IQ
Pro cares about ergonomics to get the story & the emotion.
Audience buys stories.

2 months ago*permalink

@Jack:
I try to capture the moment for memories. Bokeh not a major issue. I am red-green color blind. Because of macular edema, I only have vision in my left eye. My left eye has cataract surgery. I like decent sharpness. I like cameras that fit my hand comfortably and have sufficient weight to aid my old age shakes. I have about 120 cameras, 80% film. 4 Leica Ms, 8 screw mounts. Every top Nikon film SLR except the F6. Every Canon F1 Verson in LN condition. Dozens of Kodak Retinas. Failed my drivers license test. More money than sense. I love my toys. Couldn’t afford a 35mm camera until sent to Vietnam in 1966 at age 30. Shoulda stuck with my Konica auto S2, $35 at the BX, IN Nam, smokes 11 cents/pack, 40 oz bottle of Beefeaters, $2.

Is the a6600 much better than the a6500?

2 months agopermalink

no unless u are shooting mainly moving subject
my A6500 AF-C is ok to me, i shoot mostly landscape though

2 months ago*permalink

In short, A6600 is better than A6500. Big improvements in battery life and AF. Also improved usability to some degree. Image quality and video are mostly the same. It's up to you, whether the difference costs 500$ + losses in resale value. I deliberately purchased A6500 a week ago because it's "cheap".

2 months agopermalink

what exactly is better AF?
even AF-C is good in A6500 , only if one need tracking than A6600 is better

2 months agopermalink

Tracking is everything, unless you shoot only landscapes. A6300/6500 were good in tracking in 2016.

2 months agopermalink

Tracking is everything

i don't see why
even when i take pic of an animal, it is when they are relatively stable, not birds in flight for sure
so A6500 AF-C or tracking is totally enough for me

2 months agopermalink

I have a child, he's constantly in flight.

2 months agopermalink

Billy_s

Animal Eye AF.

2 months agopermalink

willy35

I own the A6600 and A6000
I love the A6000, I use it with the tamron 17-28mm
The ergonomic of A6600 is better, the AF is stellar, since I use it most for action and nature photo with the 200-600mm
High ISO is slightly better on A6600
The in body stabilisation is something missing on the A6000 I shouldn't have taste it but I can leave without it.
So if you don't make really fast moving subject A6000 is perfect camera
For street photography and landscape, this is a perfect camera.

Some comment make me laugh about the messy Sony menu.
Honestly I don't understand those people, why do they need the menu for ??
I opened the menu once to set my custom button, after that I don't use it anymore.

1 month agopermalink

my a6500 in body stabilization is quite bad, not sure about a6600

1 month agopermalink

willy35

I never had stabilization before I got the A6600 so it is hard to give a good opinion.
My first feeling is that I am really impressed.
But now I have to learn photography again, because I can shoot handheld at 1/10 - 1/20 with a regular lens (I use de SSM 16-50mm 2.8 as well)
With the 200-600mm if the subject don't move and since there is stabilization in the lens as well, I am surprise how low I can shoot.

1 month agopermalink

Imager of

Or just buy the Sony a7 mk3!

2 months agopermalink

The A7RII is on sale now for $1400. It makes me wonder how much better AF should cost.

2 months agopermalink

SmilerGrogan

Ergonomics mean nothing. Proof? Cell phone ergonomics could not be worse if Satan himself made every one by hand, and yet people buy them by the billions. Sony obviously knows this.

2 months agopermalink

Cellphones are very ergonomic if all you do is p&s.
Try to set apperture, shutter speed and iso and things get ugly very fast. But people don't do those things with a cellphone. Each tool needs to be designed for its purpose.

2 months agopermalink

@Zinch:
There are apps that let you control various options even on iPhones, I use the 11 pro max.

2 months agopermalink

King Penguin

You’re missing the point......with my mirrorless camera, as I’m taking it out of a bag I can see/set the aperture setting, shutter and ISO speed before the camera is even switched on or at my eye - that’s proper ergonomics....

2 months ago*permalink

SmilerGrogan

Cellphones are slippery, have almost no buttons, are too thin to hold comfortably for either calls or picture taking, lack off-camera flash, lack flip down lcd screens, no 1/4-20 sockets, no neck strap...shall I go on?
But despite all this, we buy them anyway. Who is the idiot in this village?

2 months agopermalink

@King:
I can’t see the camera settings until I put on my 4 power reading glasses. So my target has to be sitting still. F8 and be there.

2 months agopermalink

You're missing the point.
People buy cellphones because they are slim and pocketable, not because they are confortable to shoot photos with them. Also, 99'99% of people taking pictures with them use the auto mode, so ergonomics are not so important there.

2 months agopermalink

Vitto110

I don't knoiw, I do own a canonb eos m3 and if you count a viewfinder as ergonomic that I would say it's a bit drowback not having one

2 months agopermalink

SmilerGrogan

This has been a great discussion because it has opened my eyes to how many things fall under the umbrella of ergonomics. I always had a narrow view that it was just how you designed thinks like door handles and radio knobs so they were easy to use and comfortable. But it's a lot more than that, obviously. Thanks!

2 months agopermalink

Deliverator

I turn on my Nikon DSLR as I'm bringing it to my eye and I see all the settings in the viewfinder and can adjust them nearly instantaneously with the front and rear dials immediately before taking the shot. With this camera, I'd be waiting for it to start up, and alternating my thumb between both dials, potentially missing the shot. It makes no sense at all that they wouldn't put one of the dials on the front grip.

1 month agopermalink

King Penguin

Zinch No, you’re missing the point..........

I along with many of the contributors of this website are the people who use real cameras to take the 0.01% of all photos and ergonomics are important to us 0.01%ers........

Also this article is about a Sony camera not about a smart phone, hence we are interested in the ergonomics!

1 month ago*permalink

Piotr W

A6600 got 83% Silver, and A6000 got 80% Gold. How does it compare ? I do not have a clue.

2 months agopermalink

One is from 2014 and the other is brand new. The a6000 was very innovative in some ways when it was released and very good compared with its peers.
Five years later, Sony has improved the internals of the camera but it's not better than its peers any more and hasn't addressed any of the negative parts of the camera, so it deserves a lower grade.

2 months agopermalink

Leonp

I'm not gooing to pay 1400 bucks for "acceptable".

2 months agopermalink

LookintotheMirrorlessoften

Yeah, but you weren't gonna buy it anyway, so kinda trollish.

2 months agopermalink

Leonp

How would you know? I need a new camera in some time, and this type of camera might be the one for me, so if this camera would be great in every way I would seriously think about it.

2 months agopermalink

skanter

If you use a hand strap as I do (the only way to shoot hand-held), a larger grip like the a6500 and 6600 is ergonomically impossible. The a6000 and a6300 are perfect. Using dial with my thumb is perfect for one-handed shooting.

So, for me - ergonomics are much better on earlier Sonys.

As far as menus - once you RTFM and set up the customization, you would have to be an idiot to have any issues with navigating around Sony cameras.

If a6600, 6400, 6100 AF is as good as they say - it’s the most essential feature of any camera and makes them a superior choice if you shoot moving subjects.

2 months agopermalink

the image gallery looks actually excellent with great colors.

2 months agopermalink

I believe the title of this article was supposed to be:

"Sony a6600 review: Good autofocus, horrible ergonomics"

2 months agopermalink

cameron2

It's really sad that Sony continues to sabotage their APS-C cameras. Seriously, steal some ergonomics ideas from your competitors, stop hobbling the cameras with random pieces of 5+ year-old tech, and you'd have a winner.

2 months agopermalink

It's all about the look. Give Sonys real ergos, and they won't look like Sonys anymore. That's why it'll take entirely new Sony models/lines before they have good ergos.

Lol, but the menus... that's either Sony sadism, or incompetence. There is no other explanation for the menus.

2 months ago*permalink

@ Afgon Targaryen: Could you explain how ergonomics are bad? What is the problem when using this camera daily? And why visit menus with a proper set ut camera?

2 months ago*permalink

Nicholalala

I remember doing a user research study on a Sony Short Wave radio as an undergrad. Nobody could turn it on because it actually had two power switches. Once we showed people how to turn it on, few could figure out how to use it without a manual.

Sony always has great tech, horrible software, and its products are generally unusable by non-engineers. Don’t expect that to change.

2 months agopermalink

Funny, that the A6000 sells well with more or less the same ergonomics since 2014.
2-0-1-4
5 years.
It can not be so horrible.

2 months agopermalink

@ Nicholalala: So everything Sony is doing should be measured against a radio design "hundred" years ago? Well, if this is what you can come up with, I would say you are on the wrong vawe length ...

2 months ago*permalink

@Magnar:
No, I'm not going to explain this to you. Again. For the 50th time...

2 months agopermalink

cameron2

"Funny, that the A6000 sells well with more or less the same ergonomics since 2014. 5 years. It can not be so horrible."

Sure, and McDonalds sells lots of burgers, so they must be the most awesome food ever invented.

What a nonsensical argument.

2 months agopermalink

"Sure, and McDonalds sells lots of burgers, so they must be the most awesome food ever invented.

What a nonsensical argument."

It was making sense when canon was selling lots of cameras. See the problem.

2 months agopermalink

Why people make the sales = good argument i will never understand... Way more T6i units are sold than 5D4 or 1DXM2 units...

2 months ago*permalink

@ Aegon Targaryen: For the 50th time you are not able to argue, just throwing out claims. Well ...

2 months agopermalink

@Magnar:
Uh huh...

2 months agopermalink

Nicholalala

My comments were simply the past in looking at usability issues with technology. It is not meant to describe this camera specifically. Sony, as well as most of the other manufacturers, have overly complex control systems.

That said, I’m probably not considering a Sony, although I am thinking of bumming my friend’s A6000 for when I head to Mexico City in December.

2 months agopermalink

Are there other products where ergonomics are discussed at such a meaningless level as for cameras?

2 months agopermalink

Toni Salmonelli

Ergonomics are the holy grail of cameras. After two card slots of course.

2 months agopermalink

Ergonomics being meaningless in a camera only holds true for point-and-shooters.

2 months agopermalink

Miki Nemeth

The A6600 is far the most versatile APS-C camera today: IBIS, gigantic battery, EVF, 4K full sensor down-converting unlimited video recording, real-time GPS tagging via phone, best lens ecosystem, no-competition continuous tracking eye AF both photos and videos, touch shutter on a back tilting screen, touch to track, touch to magnify even when recording video. These are the ergonomics that matter to me.
No problem here with specs and ergonomics, the only problem but a big one is the horrendously high price. Sony managers are fully aware that their cameras are far the best for years now, and they are not willing to let us pay reasonable prices for them. With the $850 EUR price for the A6500, I regard it still expensive. But the A6600's $1500 EUR is insane. The A6500 is still an excellent camera, sure, but it has no unlimited video recording, and no eye AF, no touch shutter. I used an A9 for a year, and after its AF, it is really hard to go back to stone age, so I should pay.

2 months ago*permalink

So you want the best camera, as you say, no competition, but you don't want to pay best-camera pricing? Weird, your expectations may need to adjust to reality.

2 months agopermalink

Miki Nemeth

@hemiguy Exactly, this was the camera ergonomics, I was waiting for since 2014, and now it arrived at an unexpectedly high price. Hence my enthusiasm mixed with disappointment. The A6600 is a hotcake at e-infinity "Due to the current high volume of orders, we are experiencing brief delays with shipments. Please allow an additional 2 to 5 working days for delivery of your orders during this time. We will be keeping you informed on order status via emails."

2 months agopermalink

Satyaa

I see one theme in the two recent reviews..

1. Canon's M6 does nothing ground-breaking (just a bit of more resolution) but puts together everything in a nice package in a user-friendly way. It gets gold due to better usability.

2. Sony's AF is above every competitor but isn't ground-breaking either. The a6600 is the third or fourth Sony camera with this excellent AF. Sony loses points on usability/ergonomics and gets a sliver.

I agree with these ratings because, they reiterate two things that we have known for a while..
1. Technology has reached a point, already above most photographers' needs, and any new technical improvement isn't likely to get points. Just like resolution, faster AF and faster shooting will be less important after certain threshold.
2. Usability and the photography experience are always important. A camera that has good usability and ergonomics must have a good score. That's logical.

2 months agopermalink

bxxwlvnd

I Agree with everything you said here I am actually working on my thesis right now which focuses on the usability and user experience when using cameras and their user interface. I hope it will make manufacturers think about other aspects. Or else we will get stuck in a technical war just like when brands were just fighting for higher megapixels back in the day.

2 months agopermalink

PAntunes

Being a professional photographer, for me the most important aspect is getting the photo. Ergonomics is nowhere near the top of my needs. And Sony nails the shot.

For someone doing photos just for fun, maybe the pleasure is more important.

2 months agopermalink

Toni Salmonelli

"Or else we will get stuck in a technical war just like when brands were just fighting for higher megapixels back in the day."

Back in the days? Still with every new sensor generation more and more megapixel are crammed on the sensors without any real-life benefit for most users, but with increasing file sizes and probably negative impact on DR and low light performance.

2 months agopermalink

And yet buyers agree with Sony.

2 months agopermalink

Are you sure? Last time I checked (less than a month ago), Canon had the 40% of market share while Sony had about a 20%.

2 months agopermalink

PAntunes

Toni Salmonelli more Mpx brings no benefits? Today you go to any store and you’ll see massive prints on the walls, right in front of you. Images that needed a heavy and slow medium format camera can be done with a quick and light camera.

For many, 12mp was enough, but for many others, even 60mp can be challenging to print with quality.

2 months agopermalink

I don’t like cameras that make you hang on to a slippery smooth metal. I like a leathery, rubbery feel. It also protects the body from nicks and dents.

2 months agopermalink

Satyaa

@PAntunes: I agree with your points in the given context.

You are right that all the possible resolution may be necessary for landscapes. If FF doesn't do it then there are 150 MP MF cameras for those who can afford them. Similarly sports shooting may require the AF power of A9 II, 1DX III or the D6.

How many of the millions of camera buyers have those needs? I don't have a number but guess that it's a small %.

For the rest of us (the vast majority) most cameras today can already nail the shot and provide sufficient resolution. How much more do I want to pay for capabilities beyond that? How much do I want to live with sub-optimal ergonomics and menus of a camera that can provide the little bit extra that I don't need?

I am not denying your need and I am happy that Sony came out with something that meets your need. I am sure that Canon, Nikon, Pany, etc., will match that soon but I find the 36 MP of D810 too much for my use. So, I am not even considering the Z7/D850. May be Z6+

2 months ago*permalink

@zinch it shows 60 percent of camera buyers don't like canon's ergonomics and they chose something else.

2 months ago*permalink

PAntunes

Satyaa, you can print quite big today at very very affordable prices. And screen resolution is getting more accessible, so a 8k (32mp) screen is something people can seriously considere in a not so distant future. So I'm sure more and more people will start to want a little more than 24mp even for personal stuff. Even if you just do travel photos that you keep on the computer, how great is it to be able to zoom into a picture and see the small details of daily life that might have passed too quickly on location?

And "provide the little bit extra that I don't need" is a very personal statement. It may not be for you, but people with young kids, people that like to take candid photos of friends or even street photography will appreciate the edge on AF that a camera like this can provide.

No camera is right for everyone. Some will prefer an easier camera, some will prefer a more capable one.

1 month agopermalink

B Bob

Satyaa - I would hardly call a add on viewfinder that fills the flash hot shoe as a nice package in a user friendly way. My 1953 Voightlander Prominent has a similar viewfinder and it is a pain in the butt to use and therefore stays in the camera bag. The M6 gets a big fail from me on the removable viewfinder and second the lens mount is not the same as the full frame. So hardly user friendly. As far as the Sony AF goes. I owned an A7iii until about three weeks ago. I owned it just over a year. To me the Sony AF works great on people and cat eyes but is confusing. The marker in the viewfinder was not very easy to spot. I think the Nikon Z or Z 50 AF is easier to use. The low end Z 50 has eye AF in stills and video as good as Sony. If anything the Z 50 is better.

1 month agopermalink

baraajanabi

1400$ body!!
in my country (IRAQ) Ipay extra 100$ get a7iii

2 months agopermalink

Almazar80

Still a good camera, but overpriced for what it is by $200-300 U.S. If this cost less, it would be rated higher. As it is, get the A6400. The best of the current generation of A6xxx cameras. Come on, Sony. Update the ergonomics. I would prefer tri navi to a front dial. Make it a little larger, have it feel like a real rangefinder. You can do it. You can pattern the next generation on the RX1 cameras. That would be sweet.

2 months agopermalink

cameron2

$1400 on release is high? Seriously?

That would be a bargain if it had reasonably good ergonomics.

2 months agopermalink

Almazar80

It's high, because its competitors are just as good in some things, even though they are older units and thus at a lower price point.

2 months agopermalink

Vitto110

depends on what youy're in the market for tbh, I personally think that aps-c is good enough with good lenses to be able to be tucked away during trips.
All I wanted from a sony 6xxx series was a bigger battery and ibis, and only one was addressed in the a6500.
Now this seems like a golden sweetspot FOR ME.
I don't want a bulky camera for tripping around, I already own a dslr.
I don't want a fuji, battery life sucks and the xtrans sensore is the biggest bag of smoke ever to be sold as a feature in the history of cameras.
i don't want something without IBIS.
This seems to be the only option.
See you just need to have specifics to whant you want your camera to do to find meaning in every camera that comes to market

2 months agopermalink

seahawk

Small, good battery and perfect AF - what more can you want? There is no camera in the price range with a better AF.

2 months agopermalink

And add the new 16-55mm f2.8 then nothing comes even close to it. I love the lens!

2 months agopermalink

Not all in life is autofocus. At 1400$/1600€ is overpriced (specialy in euros).

As an example, the combination of it with the 16-55 costs 2800$. The Nikon Z6 + 24-70 f4 costs 2300$ (Amazon prizes)

2 months agopermalink

@Zinch: and? I can not mount my Sony lenses on the Z6. :) And for me AF is as important as the IQ, so prio #1. But I can tolerate some ergonomic deficiencies. :)

2 months agopermalink

seahawk

And there is no camera at that price point with a better AF.

2 months agopermalink

onlyfreeman

No, but there are cameras half the price with the same AF. :)

2 months agopermalink

"No, but there are cameras half the price with the same AF. :)"

Why stop there if you are making things up. Other brands are giving them free and they have same AF.

2 months agopermalink

onlyfreeman

Okay, so minus the "s" from "cameras", and what I said is basically true. The a6100 is $650 on Amazon.com and the a6600 is $1400. The AF is identical, but at half the cost. Nothing made up here, even the image quality is identical.

2 months agopermalink

yaa the camera prices are solely decided by its AF and rest of the factors count nothing.

if that camera making sense to you then buy that but don't claim that they are equal because af is similar.

2 months agopermalink

onlyfreeman

But zxaar, we were only talking about AF for the price. I'm sure everyone already knows that there's more to a camera than just AF.

2 months agopermalink

georgia hiker

janist74: you can use your Sony (E) lenses on a Z6....there is an adapter for that.

2 months agopermalink

mandophoto

DPReview folks: Perhaps a more 'true' test of the Sony a6xxx focusing capabilities, particularly tracking, might be to only use lenses designed specifically for the APS-C format.

The bicycle test used the FE 70-200mm F2.8 lens. Just how many users of the a6xxx will buy that lens?

The video of the girl running around in her home was made with an f1.4 lens(Sony FE or Sigma?) How about the same test with the popular 18-135mm F3.5-5.6 OSS and/or the new E 16-55mm F2.8?

2 months agopermalink

The 16-55 will be even better it’s got the best af motor available today!

2 months agopermalink

mandophoto

@Advent1sam: The E 16-55mm f2.8 may be the best native APS-C lens for the a6xxx, but it won't be most popular because of the cost. Nevertheless it would be a better choice than an FE lens.

2 months agopermalink

Sony's trio major problems persist: ergonomics, menus and touch screen implementation!

I could ad to the list a software for removing AF banding from backlit scenarios!

What are you waiting Sony, resolve them!

2 months ago*permalink

LookintotheMirrorlessoften

All work like a dream, dpr have some funny ideas? The only thing different on an a7r4 is an extra dial for your finger and it’s the camera of the year. In e shutter the a6600 actually performs better, video is the same, af is the same, touch is the same etc!

2 months agopermalink

Carey Rose

The a6600 is a fine camera, but there is really a lot more to the a7R IV in comparison than just one extra dial.

2 months agopermalink

I agree on the touchscreen implementation that is underused. but menus are highly customizable and you can set up all the things like you want quickly. So it’s an overused argument. and ergonomics? yes a dial at the front might be nice, but the grip is nicer as some of the retro competition...

2 months agopermalink

abe4652

Autofocus on the A6600 is likely better than on the A7R4, because I have the A6400, and there is a perceptible positive difference between the A6400 and the A7R4's AF.

Hard to believe, but that was my experience.

2 months agopermalink

Industry leading AF and battery life but the Fujifilm X-T3 is still a much better proposition overall.

2 months agopermalink

Fuji is a no go for many serious photographers because of the X-Trans pattern that exhibits artifacts and waxiness! Until they offer Bayer sensor options, Fuji APSC's (except entry LV) can't be taken into consideration by most!

2 months ago*permalink

Correct, many of us have years of experience with Fuji and wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole, xtrans is horrible to work with and Fuji 1.4 motors and many of the other lenses especially 1.2 are from a decade ago, at least!

2 months agopermalink

@eno2 & @Advent1sam - rubbish! The problem with artifacts when processing raw files is an Adobe issue, not a fuji issue. This can be easily avoided by using other software such as Capture One. Fuji has the best APS-C system by far for enthusiasts & even pros!

2 months ago*permalink

Androole

The main problem with X-Trans isn't that it is produces problematic artifacts with several popular software suites (which is does), it's that it simply doesn't offer any real world advantage over high-density AA-less Bayer sensors.

Back in the days of 12-16MP Bayer sensors, it arguably made some sense. But not any more. It's a solution to an old technical challenge that no longer exists, like the uncompetitive 4/3 DSLRs that Olympus and Panasonic wisely moved on from...

2 months ago*permalink

@ear stick
The X-Trans artifacts and waxiness is present in both Adobe converted RAW files and out of the camera Fuji JPG's (at a different degree), but it's never gone with any demosaicing algorithms. X-trans pattern is simply worst than Bayer!

Out of camera JPG's: https://g1.img-dpreview.com/6FB04A6E45CC46629AEC188316E54AF2.jpg

Adobe converted: https://g1.img-dpreview.com/7EE9FF37943A45C6AFDE5BEDCBEA37FC.jpg
and
http://halkboyleistiyor.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1-bolu-950-3-keskin.jpg

2 months agopermalink

These days with 24MP+ sensors perhaps the x-trans sensor does not give an advantage compared to bayer but it is certainly is no worse. Out of camera jpegs do not have the wormy artifacts that can affect raw files processed via Adobe. The waxiness "issue" affects jpegs only and is easily remedied by lowering noise reduction to -2 in camera. I love my Fuji cameras and would never go back to Nikon! X-trans is fine!

2 months agopermalink

@D7000ShooterUK

The X-trans artifacts and waxiness are very present even in Fuji's own JPG engine but they try to mask it with lower sharpness and stronger noise reduction, but they far from gone!

A similar resolution Bayer sensor camera from Fuji (entry LV), vastly outperforms the X-Trans sensor higher end one. Because Bayer is better!

Out of camera JPG's: https://g1.img-dpreview.com/6FB04A6E45CC46629AEC188316E54AF2.jpg

2 months ago*permalink

@eno2 No! Your link to those images proves nothing.

2 months agopermalink

@D7000ShooterUK

"Your link to those images proves nothing."

Image comparisons prove more than empty words! :)

2 months ago*permalink

marc petzold

@D7000ShooterUK
Just ignore the Trolls, this guy comes into every Fujifilm thread, and now Sony here, with X-Trans worms, etc...it's just Internet Background Noise FUD...people like him would never understood, that this is correlating with the Adobe ACR Engine, how it does handle X-Trans RAW files, into a years old Engine Version, not the current one...but you know, the Web doesn't forget, and so are Guys like him still spreading this X-Trans Worms, etc. FUD all the way...again, and again...and again! Just ignore it.

He doesn't understand rational arguments, i don't argue with ppl like this further way, because i've often said, there are besides Adobe perfect RAW Converters & Tools, which do a great job on X-Trans: Capture One, PhotoNinja, Iridient X-Transformer, -Developer, RAW Therapee, DarkTable - those guys don't understand, being stuck into 2012.

Haters gonna hate anyway, especially vs Fujifilm. Sony can't built something cute like a X-T3. AF Speed isn't all.

Good Light.

2 months ago*permalink

@marc petzold Thanks.

2 months agopermalink

Zakzoezie

It is simple, Sony just wants to make big & disgusting profit on the back of their customers. This small piece of crap is simply way overpriced. If you want small and light on amateur level, use smartphone. If you want small and light quality wildlife/sports photography, use Olympus m43 gear. If you want all-round high quality photography at acceptable price (even lower price compared to this Sony APS-C crap), use full-frame Canon DSLR or Nikon DSLR with the option to re-use the lenses on future mirrorless bodies. All these options also provide decent video capabilities on amateur level. If you want pro video level quality, buy dedicated pro-video gear.

2 months agopermalink

DSLR lenses on milc body, in a word ‘pointless’
A6600;
Best af, best video, best battery, best grip, best mount, best image quality, especially better than FF Canon, simply the best compact mirrorless system available today!

2 months agopermalink

Gearóid Ó Laoi, Garry Lee

Possibly the dumbest comment on DP. EVERY company wants to make a big and disgusting profit, as do all the companies in YOUR 401K. These "small pieces of crap" outsell all of their competitors, and produce world class photos and video.

Clearly your bias is obscene, so maybe type less and you'll find happiness.

2 months agopermalink

George1958

The word “ best”should always be suffixed with “for me”. Personally my preference is the Canon M6 mkii. This would be best for me. That would not mean there is anything wrong with the Sony. I’m glad there is are other choices that can be made.
I like that DPreviews sets out reviews to help prospective buyers for what is for most, a substantial financial investment.
On the other hand League tables with notional bests tends to generate unpleasant behaviours on forums.

2 months agopermalink

Zakzoezie

@hemiguy = One of those marketing brainwashed victims not knowing the difference between quality and crap. As if every piece of camera gear gives the same value for money, how smart is that comment from you ? SUPER smart ? Haha really, you have no idea ...

2 months ago*permalink

Zakzoezie

@George1958 DPreviews and scores are not objective, they live on advertisements and sponsored articles man, wake up !

2 months ago*permalink

George1958

I don’t recall saying that I believe do reviews are reliable indicators of the quality of a camera, they offer a view, pay attention?

2 months agopermalink

PhotoKhan

It is extraordinary the sounding-good-even-when-criticizing wording systematically used by DPR when writing about Sony products.

It is a deferential stance not extended to any other brand and it makes me think we might have to come up with a term for it, given the reoccurrence. "Minato Syndromer", perhaps...?

2 months ago*permalink

Humberto, I've a Sony A6000 among many cameras. The AF isn't good. It's very good single shot and pretty poor in AF. I tried it numerous times for running and it was disappointing at best. It is a pity as the IQ is excellent as is the sensor. Two further criticisms. The battery life is very poor and you cannot use it without the mechanical shutter. I agree with you.
Let 'em have it!

2 months agopermalink