Sony a6100 review: Should this be your next family camera?

Sony needs to update their APS-C lenses in general. But, yes, their kit lens is particularly bad.

If they had more compact, affordable lenses (I'm thinking a bunch of f/1.8 or f/2 lenses similar to MFT, but obviously slightly bigger due to the larger sensor) then I could be swayed to get a Sony A6600.

Their APS-C bodies are very appealing at this point. It's too bad I am not excited about the APS-C lenses. At least sigma has some good ones for E-mount.

Yeah but those are not AF lenses if I am right???

I don't care about MF lenses. I want AF, and good AF because I shoot moving subjects while frequently only having one hand free.

Also, the Oly 1.2 is optically incredible. That's why it's expensive. The 7artisans is optically very mediocre (the performance wide open is terrible and there is purple fringing, field curvature, insane vignetting, ugly flare)

The 7artisans is cool for what it is, but it's not really comparable to the flagship 1.2 from Oly, Canon, Nikon, Panasonic, etc.

I don't know, this lens is a compromise, it is the smallest and lightest standard (24-75mm) APSC zoom on the market. It is so ridiculously small and light that I am using my old A6000 with it as a compact camera, it is also stabilized and its electric zoom mechanism is absurdly fast. My copy is very good, extreme sharpness in the center, decent sharpness in the corners (except 24mm equiv. Which are somewhat loose), the only fault I can put is the strong vignetting, but it is so easy to correct without impact that it does not worry me. For € 50 that increases the price of the camera is a bargain. Anyway, if it's not enough, you have the 18-135 f3.5-5.6, 18-105 f4 G and 16-55 f2.8 G to update.

@dccdp -- perhaps there is no "rigorous definition", but every experienced photographer can repeat after Potter Stewart, "I know it when I see it". So what's wrong with Sony? They don't see it? They don't care? It's too difficult?

Rendering pleasing skintones - it's one of the hardest to fix technical aspects of the digital photography.
As matter of fact - only Canon and Oly are succeeded in achieving it completely.

Only If A6400 had not been released 8 months ago, $750 would have seemed less overpriced for A6100. Now it is hard not to recommend A6400 (for a more feature-proof body), G85 (for great IBIS and handling), or M50 (for ease of use and cheap lenses).

Richard does that make sense, given that those competitor products are on the market today at those prices? A lost sale is a bigger missed opportunity than not soaking a few more early adopters.

High entry level prices will shrink the enthusiast photographer community, because no one will have any incentive to leave the comfortable world of smartphone picture taking. People won't even know what it means to take pictures with a real camera, and won't care. This will in turn hurt the market, thus being a very bad idea for manufacturers. The field is niche enough already, so manufacturers are basically shooting themselves in the foot.

Of course, it will also transform dpreview in a cute smartphone "photograpy" site, well, boring... Why don't you get this, dpreview staff, and why do you continue to promote this suicidal raise in camera prices?

@Richard Butler

Well you can use that at launch argument I suppose... but these aren't lenses. These are bodies which sony unfortunately applied the continous upgrade cycle mentality to. So... if you want to compare it to the M50 you need to accept that fact that it is possible to get an M50 with a kit lens for about 550. That is what it is competing against.

This body is close to the M6II in price then, which is what I would compare it to. And... I would likely go with the M6II, if I had the choice.

And @dccdp has a point.

A reason why canon is still market leader has to do with their pricing approach. I still don't get why sony doesn't sunset their older cameras. The A6000 should be removed, and all their APS-C body prices pushed down accordingly.

Given that Sony has more expensive, albeit higher-quality lenses, than competitors (especially Canon), it seems more reasonable to low ball their bodies to attract beginners into the ILC world, just like they did with A7iii (the basic model).
However these Japanese cartels already get sucked into this vicious cycle in which they have to price gear higher to counteract the lowered sale and collude in specs in high-end bodies to make sure professionals buy into multiple system because NO PERFECT CAMERA IS ALLOWED TO EXIST.

This is what tends to happen:

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The initial price of the Photy X looks high, compared to the depressed, mid-life price of the Camicon D1. Howls of outrage abound. Multiple comments saying 'this camera should have cost $500,' are posted. But the camera ends up dropping to a reasonable price and sells comparably to the D1.

The alternative is to launch the new camera to immediately compete with a camera selling well below its launch price, and with the profit margin already eaten away. )

You might end up getting more sales. Maybe enough to make up for the lower margin (but probably not). And then how should Camicon respond, with its new model?

I think my 5t did too.
It had a cool movable OLED VF option too. It was much more easier to use than the current off center VF that I greatly dislike (as do many people).

yeah - 5N, then 5R then 5T all had touchscreens spanning 2011-2014 ... and the A6000 / A7 series didn`t get them until very recently . totally bizarre

While IBIS is the saving grace of M43, its unreliable contrast AF makes it unfriendly among beginners for both photo and video use.

Well for starters, not all MFT bodies use CDAF, the newer Olympus video AF is supposed to be quite nice with phase detection. And i can't speak for all other Panasonic bodies but my G9 since the last FW update and with DFD lenses is very good in video AF, i wouldn't call it unreliable by any means. I have shot many videos and it's very good.

It's not sports action fast like dual pixel is, but i don't need it to be. The wobble is virtually gone, very smooth transitions, no hunting issues like in past bodies. I suspect in the future some fanboys are going to be upset they can't name Panasonic video AF as a weakness.

Not that the average soccer mom will care about that. Now pros, yea i totally get they don't want wobble, but then pros are using MF anyway. And for photos, it's not unreliable either, it's very good even for action, more so if you use Panasonic glass. I say this as a previous owner of a D700 and D800.

IBIS is not the only saving grace for M4/3 if you look at those tiny and still sharp lenses and the weight of them and you just fall in love.
It so light to go around with them. It is like existing in a different world.
And than you go deeper and look at things like focus bracketing, like 6k photo mode when you can select focus after shooting, the best TimeLaps implementation, Stop motion video, and a great interface, the fastest high sped photo mode and the lot's of programmable button options options options... the only problem is that Pana cam's really need time and devotion to really learn using them.

@Max Iso

The MFT bodies with phase detect AF cost more than the a6100. The ones that are the same price as the a6100 have pretty poor autofocus in video.

I say that as an owner of both Panasonic and Olympus bodies.

Olympus and Panasonic have the IBIS and lens compactness/quality advantage over Sony, but Sony absolutely has the AF and sensor advantage for the price.

If we're talking about people buying a camera now, and not about people buying a hypothetical camera that doesn't exist yet, then the AF is much better in Sony's budget models than in MFT budget models.

Video and stills.

That's a horrible comparison, the A7III is clearly better in some respects, while the A6100 just isn't. There's no technical of runctional reason why someone would prefer an A6100 over an A6600

A6100 is better in size and price 🤦‍♀️

"Why would anyone get the A6100 instead of the A6600?"

Significant price difference for the targeted audience.

"Price is not a functional or technical difference."

OK. It's official--price has been deemed irrelevant so there's no reason for anything other than flagships to exist.

I edit a6000 raw files and iPhone jpg and raw files. When lighting conditions are not optimal, there is a huge difference in how much you can improve a file from an apsc sensor.

For that money no way. Just get a Eos RP for family photos and get the ability to use the wide selection of EF lenses.

In lens stablization is a "nice" route to increased cost and weight and complexity. Nice, increases margin for every lens sold.

IBIS means you can get some benefit for all lenses, but then that's be too useful.

Of course, the ideal is both, but that's too much to ask for.

The 16-50 has IS, genius.

Maybe because it DOES lack IBIS? Just because it comes with a crappy kit lens that has stabilization doesn't suddenly negate the fact that the camera itself is stuck in 2001.

Soccer moms buying this arent going to buy non stabilized primes.

Much better off with a flagship or mid-priced mobile. They beat out the 1" sensors these days IQ wise for many things, SOOC usually look significantly better regardless of sensor size, and so much easier to deal with sharing.

Well blame Sony for offering the a6100 and feel free to buy an overpriced a6600.

Flagship mobiles and mid-priced mobiles have a high annual cost of ownership - if viewed primarily as a camera - because they have a rough lifetime of about 3 years, the battery isn't economically replaceable most of the time.

IF you "need" a premium mobile for other things,then yeh, the camera does a creditable job, though not at the longer focal lengths where the rx100 shines. The rx100 is a great choice as a family camera which will do you travel including longer focal lengths.

1" sensors are pretty decent and perform well in low light.

Plenty of phones way less than that, that can take pics on par with the 16-50 lens.

Now it only needs a marginally competent photographer. Where can we find that? Maybe Sony should sell one along with the camera. ;-)))

The A7R2 certainly does so I`d expect all the following R models do also . I can`t remember if the Original A7/A7R did - the orig A7R was limited in some things by its D800 series sensor (such as PDAF) ao maybe that didn`t ... Handy but not a deal killer ............

The a6000 is as good now as it was when it was released there are just better cameras now...

If you got outstanding images when you first got it, you will continue to get outstanding images

There comes. Point where each new model released eventually becomes irrelevant because you reach a point where a camera does everything to perfection. Sony ofcourse will continue to push out new cameras every year but really that camera you bought several years ago will still produce awesome photos over the next 20 years

@Richard Butler
Moved on in ways significant for how many people though as a reviewer it must be very exciting? I am sure people must be getting jaded and impoverished by this constant upgrade frenzy. I wonder if the cost and confusion of buying perfection today which you know for a fact will be described as inadequate tomorrow by the same people is actually just going to lose the market and make people yearn for more fundamental photographic values with the advantage of money for other things.

Do you care for compact prime lenses? Fuji then.
If you want to move to 4k? Maybe

Actually, if we want compact lens we should go M43.

Good choice for video indeed @adrian
Stills.. consider apsc

I want a system with 2 affordable lenses. Like a 50mm, and a 20mm, I know Viltrox is about to launch 3 cheap lenses for X-mount: https://www.fujirumors.com/viltrox-23-33-and-56mm-f-1-4-fujifilm-x-mount-coming-december-2019-with-seriously-aggressive-price-tag/

Are Viltrox lenses good? Are they fast in terms of AF performance?

Also, I'm really disappointed with Sony's 1080p, it looks very soft... can we expect the X-a7, to be in terms of IQ the same as the XT3?

Canon cameras are really bad in IQ. They have fake 4K soft video, and they crop a lot...

wait a minute. I'm not interested in shoot 4K, that's true, but I also want the best bang for the buck, and also a camera that will not be obsolete in the near future. In the case of all recent Canon cameras, they are obsolete on the day they were released, likethe 6D, or the 80d, or the m50 (camon, fake croped 4K, with no dual pixel AF, in 2020????!?). Also 1080p on Canon cameras is soft, and not detailed as in Fuji cameras, and are bad in low light... So for me Canon, is just expensive crap... here, the Fuji shines in 1080p: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLhqh0wQKDQ

Okay, thanks for clarifying, Richard. :)

The cheapest option would be reusing the A5100 body.

Have you looked into such an EVF and compare with higher res EVFs?

"EXkurogane That pathetic 1.44m dot EVF is enough of a reason not to buy one"

I disagree, even in my mid 30s I still have 20/15 vision and I have found no issues with the EVF in my A6000 also at 1.44m dots. Frankly, the EVF for my Panasonic GX1 from 2011ish is adequate. Past 2 million dots, there isn't much meaningful improvement. Sure there is a noticeable increase in resolution but at the cost of decreased battery life and higher costs. EVFs are mostly used for framing and previewing settings, if it were the only screen on the camera then I might agree with you more.

Meanwhile I'm having issues with 2 million dot + EVFs. At point blank distance, I can tell the difference. It's just not good, the resolution is too low.

Those 3.7m EVFs in higher end cameras are the bare minimum for me.

High res EVF are necessary when your camera can't focus well, for ex the S1, because then you really need the resolution to see what's in focus and adjust it manually. But when the AF is as good as it is on the A6000, the EVF resolution is less of a concern because you know you're going to nail the focus, so you just need the EVF not for seeing small details, but for framing, adjusting exposure, seeing which object is being with the white focus box. Sure, seeing extra details is nice and more comfortable, but what this EVF offers is enough to get the job done and capture great photos.

It's quite safe to assume that 99% of photos in 2019 were shot without viewfinder at all. Sony's aiming at amateurs with this camera, and they won't be using EVF anyway, except for certain situations with bright sun etc.

Anyway it's a pity that Sony didn't include 3.7M EVF into A6600, which is aimed at advanced photographers.

The EVF dots race is running parallel to the sensor megapixels races now. Often no need for a definable reason we just have to have more and more of everything. The idea in the comments that with 1.44 dots you might as well not have an EVf is laughable. In particular using long focal lengths on a rear screen is just something I never do and resolution is a minor matter in relation to the other benefits.