Nikon D850 Review

Conystan, I guess you are very young. No offence, but it seems so. You think that everything that is new and modern is the best, and the things like experience, real life performence, ergonomy, overall impression can be neglected. Why no serious photographer would never use Sony a7R III, or II which you recommend? Or even more recent cameras? First of all: those are mirrorless cameras. Yes, they are modern. They are lightweight. Have lots of qualities (printed on a box). But electronic viewfinder is not acceptable, because it ALWAYS HAS to have a delay comparing to a prism (which works at a speed of light, by definition). You don't see what is actually happenig, but what was happening a fraction of second ago. So the only way to use it is to take 20 photos in a second and hoping that one of them will be good. 7RII gives you no control of AF point. It is better to turn AF off at all (even in moving subjects you will get better results manually).

Jun 11, 2020permalink

...it doesn't feel good in a hand (you cannot find the buttons under your fingers). The quality of photos is mediocre. The same with 7RIII. No compare to the D850 (additionally there is ISO 64 in d850 - great dynamic). Do you really have an experience wit both (or three) of them?
Sony simply has no experience in cameras. So they use force instead of sophistication. High resolution, high speed, lots of impressive functions, but no ergonomics, no sensibility, the extra functions do not work in the real life. The photos frequently are good, but they are not perfect. Colour rendition is questionable, colour depth as well, the AF is a bit random. It seems Sony targets the modern amateur photographers, who don't need the best quality nor ergonomics, but prefer ease of use and some "angel dust marketing", who don't print their photos, use them only on low quality computer monitors and TV sets (where low quality is quite enough, they are not capable of displaying AdobeRGB palette anyway).

Jun 11, 2020permalink

Arca45Swiss

I've had mine two weeks and am pretty amazed so far. Sold off my Phase One IQ180 kit and bought the D850 with Zeiss ZF.2 lenses in 21mm, 28mm and 85mm.

Truly an upgrade for me..

First shots here http://www.douglasdolde.com/-/galleries/recent-images

Jan 28, 2018*permalink

Rick Knepper

"The D850 promises the same dynamic range advantage as the D810, meaning it should be able to compete with the medium format sensors used in the likes of the Fujifilm GFX 50S and Pentax 645Z."

LOL Is DPR taking this comedy show on the road?

Jan 18, 2018permalink

What's so funny about us restating something that an understanding of geometry would lead you to expect and that was borne-out by our side-by-side testing of the D810?

Jan 18, 2018permalink

(unknown member)

I for instance don't care about dual-pixel autofocus and the pentaprism taking up a lot of space. You can mark down the professional high resolution SLR camera I'm looking at looking at because of it, but it doesn't change how important a release this camera is.
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Nov 11, 2018permalink

Fishgrapher

Clearly, there's still a long way to go for the D850 to meet expectations. I like to spend most of free time fishing and capturing great shots. You can see some of those on my blog: https://morefishingtips.com/ I have been considering getting this Camera from Nikon but following this conversation, I am reconsidering my options.

Nov 16, 2019permalink

CaPi

Guys I am about my first FF.
Would you recommend a D810? They are quite affordable now if refurbished.

Jan 14, 2018permalink

MattiD80

I just upgraded to d810 (from d800), for very low price. I can wholeheartedly recommend the d810. While super amazing, D850 is out of my price range, and the d810 does everything I want and more. They several times in review claim 'the already stellar d810'. Says enough imo:) If you dont need latest and gratest d810 is a steal (especially now compared to last year).

D800 was my first full frame. With d810 as your first you will have higher fps, Iso 64, more accurate autofocus, subtle but better grip. Should be no brainer :) I still love all my pics from d800. Epic camera.

Jan 24, 2018*permalink

CaPi

Thank you!

Isnt it a bit large? =)

Jan 24, 2018permalink

Wout de Zeeuw

My game plan exactly! Price dropped 1k, I think I'll try the D810.

Jan 24, 2018permalink

MattiD80

@ CaPi

I'm a broad shouldered male of 30 years old. I like cycling, walking, footbal a lot. My condition is ok/very good. And imo if you have a good strap and a good backpack (waist support), 2kg is NOTHING. (camera 1kg + lens 24-70mm vr 1kg). I carried it 1100 climbing meters on foot, in my hand the 2kg combo (to prevent strain on neck). Went remarkable. Personally camera's only start to be to heavy near the D5 lvl. I even got battery grip for free on my d810 occasion. It's still doable, but probably not for extended time. Even d750 while lighter, isnt much lighter, Good padding, waiste support, camera strap make a bigger deal then a few 100 gram extra imo.

Jan 25, 2018permalink

Manzur Fahim

I am having the same AF issues you have in the review, with the 105mm F/1.4E lens. Does anyone have any idea on how to fix this?

Dec 2, 2017permalink

Nick Tate

I have similar issues with my D7000 and was hoping the D850 might have fixed it. After much testing with different lenses and subjects I conclude that most of my problem is in the camera, not the lenses.
The issue seems to be that the focus detection area is somewhat larger than the target indicated in the viewfinder. If the actual detection area contains something high contrast (back-lit hair, umbrella ribs etc) the AF system will lock onto that (usually behind the face you are trying to focus on). The problem seems worse in low light.
If you move closer, the entire detection area will be within the face so the AF system will usually lock onto an eye and all is well (the D850 review shows this same behavior).
This should be solved if the AF system used face recognition, but I can't see how, or if that works in Nikon DSLR cameras.
I used the AF fine tuning (default value -10) as a workaround. Not ideal, but improved my hit rate for "run and gun" street photography.

Jul 27, 2018permalink

sgt gatr

Love how the mirrorless fanboys keep saying that Nikon is failing and dead and that DSLRs are obsolete. Bahahahahahahaha!!!

Nov 16, 2017permalink

Mared

Couldn't agree more - I bought the A7R III (I'm invested in the system) but sure would like to pick up the D850 too for Astro and Wildlife. Have to admit that Nikon raw file image quality definitely has the edge too. But, the camera is a brick (maybe 20% too big & heavy) and where is it? Nikon announced it in August and it's still vaporware in 2018 which is a shame...

Jan 1, 2018permalink

clickhiker

Ordered mine from BestBuy on December 20, using the phone app. 18 months, same as cash with good credit. It showed a ship date of January 18 in the app... The shipping label was printed on December 23, and I received the camera on December 29. It is NOT too heavy! It is built for the long haul, and focus was excellent out-of-the-box, with no fine tuning needed for a 600mm f4 VRii, and 300mm f4 PF. It is a big improvement over the really-good D810.

Jan 3, 2018permalink

JonTinkler

Would absolutely love to have one of these, the D850 looks awesome. The only thing is that those files are just so huge, it's going to slow down my workflow I suspect. Would mean upgrading computer hardware also which adds to the pretty significant investment ...

Nov 15, 2017permalink

AlephNull

I've heard other people say they would have to get a new computer for "huge" files, but it always seems to be speculation - I haven't heard anyone say "I tried it, my computer was too slow, and I had to buy a faster one".

Dec 20, 2017permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=913B5jvL5SA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSeBw7ASyGo

Nikon's Raw compression is clever enough that you can use their 14-bit lossy compression and not lose anything that you'd ever see/need. The files needn't be big.

Dec 20, 2017permalink

Gerard Beullac

Yes yes yes, this is a marvelous machine but no no no for the connection via the so crap Snapbridge application which never correctly works. This is a shame, considering the specifications of the D850.

Nov 5, 2017permalink

mtfirn

my snap works fine with the 850

Dec 28, 2017permalink

Zdman

So I've found out elsewhere that The D850 has an electronic shutter as well (silent shooting). Why is there absolutely no mention of this in the review or a test to see the difference between this and normal shutter noise?

Oct 31, 2017permalink

FuhTeng

The difference is that there's a normal shutter, and then electronic shutter which makes zero sound at all (it's purely electronic, nothing physical moves). There's also a quiet shutter but I have no idea what that's good for.

Nov 10, 2017permalink

Zdman

When I say noise I mean electronic noise in the image. The first few Sony electronic shutters had more noise in the images because they read them out at a faster rate and used a lower bit depth on the ADC's to do it.

Nov 13, 2017permalink

WildSammy

here's google translation of some good d850 review with test images as well too if you're interested http://tinyurl.com/nknD850sk

Oct 30, 2017permalink

Tactical Falcon

Wow with this camera and the A9 and A7 mk.3 if you are creating allot raw shooting with these cameras I know my computer would be the limiting factor especially with 4K video. These are great cameras. First time I have worry about my computer not keeping pace.

Oct 30, 2017permalink

Joed700

Matt Granger has just released two videos showing the D850 was not capable of buffering 50 shots on continuous shooting mode as claimed by Nikon. Anyone with the D850 can verify his claims?

Oct 24, 2017permalink

Moakesy

I've just done a test and got 31 RAW shots at 14 Bit Lossless compressed. Took out the other card and just left in the XQD. This was at 7fps (grip still not turned up yet), so approx 4.5 seconds of shooting. Plenty enough for me.

Oct 26, 2017permalink

Have you ever had to process 45MP shot in bursts of 50... I recommend for your sanity that if this kind of shooting rate is key for you, you get a 20MP D5 instead.

Oct 27, 2017permalink

Tony Bonanno

I've tested my 850 with 14 bit lossless compressed RAW files and have had no problem seeing 50 or more shots before things slowed down.. BUT, I had to use ONLY my XQD card and I shot at lower ISO's (1600 and below).

Nov 7, 2017*permalink

evilmagicnut

I read a thread on another site that indicated distortion correction, vignetting control and DRO affect buffer performance. Turning these things off and shooting raw only apparently improved the buffer.

I wonder how MRAW holds up in the buffer. I'd usually prefer to spray at lower file size.

Nov 29, 2017*permalink

ReoFlex

The D750 scores a 90 and the D850 scores an 89. What the hell? This is ridiculous! So rediculous that I'm not even going to comment further. Retest by other testers and give us an accurate, unbaised review and camera score. 89 is nonsense by any measuring standard.

Oct 24, 2017permalink

(unknown member)

Oh calm down. If you need to increase your dosage please do so.

Oct 24, 2017permalink

DaveX81

If you consider the price the D750 is much better.
As a good allrounder the D750 could be better too.
And the D750 does not have the bad snapbridge connectivity - it has real wireless lan without a heavy 1000€ module which is blocking the tripod socket.
Btw the D750 has better low light performance....

So what? Its another camera for another use case and the D750 is indeed better for his value. The D850 is a really good camera but far away from perfect.

Oct 26, 2017permalink

If you look how the dpreview score breaks down, they only gave the D750 a better rating on value.

But actually I think they hold back on an award simply because the camera isn't all things to all people. It could have been smaller and had better video.

They've completely missed the point this is a landmark camera that merges the high resolution line with the high shooting speed line.

Professionals in Nikon who needed high resolution but felt for some jobs there were missing shots due to a low fps, now get both of these in one model rather than having to buy a costly D5/D4S, and because it isn't priced as high they can potentially buy two and not have to contend with different control layouts.

Oct 27, 2017*permalink

"They've completely missed the point this is a landmark camera that merges the high resolution line with the high shooting speed line."

Nikon wasn't first to the party.

Sony A99 II: 42MP @ 12fps ungripped, released about a year ago

Oct 29, 2017permalink

D750 is godly.

Oct 30, 2017permalink

@ISOhappy

IQ? Mostly. DR and ISO are virtually unmatched at pixel level. However, the AA filter really smears the detail compared to any non-AA filter camera, and even some with a weak AA filter.

AF? Meh. Can be kind of inconsistent. I had one, and it acted the same as my D7100, despite having the D4S AF system. Too much babysitting required. Biggest reason I dropped DSLRs.

Body? YES! Compact size (for FF), and with the same style of grip from the D5500 (which the D7500 and D850 now have). Very comfortable.

Video? NO. Just no.

Oct 30, 2017permalink

Yeah, pretty much agree. The body is the perfect size/weight for me. I actually feel like the D500 is a bit too big, but it works like a charm with my tele.

Oct 30, 2017permalink

sirhawkeye64

As mentioned above, a lot of it has to do with value. cost/performance wise, you get a better deal with the D750. There are so many factors to take into account that the rating system DPR uses is more or less just to show you where they land in terms of one and other. On other sites, such as DXO, you'll find the D850 scores a 100 and the D750 is something like an 80-85ish range I think if I recall correctly. All of these ratings and tests are subjective and should only be used as a guidelines, not the bible on camera ratings. Ultimately, the best camera is the one that does what you need it to and the one that feels right in your hands. Doesn't make sense to buy a camera that doesn't feel right to you just because it scores 100 or 90 in a lab test, and/or doesn't meet your needs. This is why I got my D750 over the D810. I would like have liked 36MP, but the camera body felt too big in my hands, and I couldn't justify the extra $1000 to get only a few extra features.

Nov 1, 2017*permalink

Yep. I originally looked at both the D810 and the D750. Since I wanted the best ISO performance in low lighting, I got the D750

Nov 1, 2017permalink

sirhawkeye64

yeah that was the other primary driving force for me getting the D750, besides how the camera felt when holding it.

Nov 1, 2017permalink

JDJPhotographer

I agree with you. The Nikon D750 is not a 90 while the D850 is an 89. Everyone can have their opinions but then again some people can state that a Ford Pinto is better than a 911 Porsche since the Ford is cheaper. I believe the D750 had as many recalls as the Pinto. I'm also entitled to my opinion to think those people that think the D750 is a better camera are not to bright. Seems like they don't want to give an honest take on this camera and try to make all the cameras about the same for ad revenue. Don't want to anger Sony or Canon after all. Have a backbone DPReview.

Nov 5, 2017permalink

zavart

All cameras are rated within specified time frame...otherwise cameras released 10 years ago should have been rated ...40 at the most !!! In 5 or 10 years there will be another Nikon or Sony which is going to be rated 89 or 90 and will be coming with 150mpx sensor, buffer of 1000 pictures and speed of light focusing ...plus You will be getting the free induction hob inside which will allow You cooking lunch on the surface while making a phone call directly from the camera....not to mention free set of steak knives lol

Nov 19, 2017permalink

sirhawkeye64

@JDPhotographer, I agree that the D850 is a great camera. I think the reason it got one point less than the D750 was because of value and probably a few other things. And to say "those who think the D750 is better is not too bright" in not correct either. As I said earlier, IMO the best camera is the one that has the features you need, is comfortable to hold, & fits your budget. No sense in buying a camera because it's newer and scored a higher score if it's uncomfortable to hold/to expensive for example. Optically, the D850 is probably better than the D750 in many areas, but for some it's too big/heavy of a body. That's why I think the ratings are a bit helpful, the look beyond just the optics and look at most of the major points.

Nov 19, 2017*permalink

Veamel62

Correct, D750 is very good for me too just like http://imp.mn/gbFNm .
Regards,
Sophy.

Jul 9, 2019permalink

(unknown member)

Ok so this is the state of the art.
Now what do you suggest?
Get a D 850 BODY at 3000 dollars, get two zooms total 3000 dollars an the be the happiest raccoon in the world.

This raccoon happens to have an airtight Pelican case full of Canon L glass and a 5DIII body. It must be a coincidence but the D850 and the 5DIV cost exatly the same.

Yeah, I would like to have the best of the best of the best but as it is, I just have to get the best out of what I can afford.

If I had the money, I'd get this Nikon right away, it is beautiful, magnificent and not even expensive!....but no...Canon will do something...I will do something or "maybe the horse will learn to speak"...Canon can, no doubt but but but...what they worry about is the bottom line and that's how they go so big.
Nikon is a part of Mitsubishi...Mitsu don't need them. Nikon dos not like Mitsu..but they like their money. Well? should you buy the D850? Or leave it right there and buy an air ticket andsned post cards?

Oct 23, 2017*permalink

I will buy, 'cos I have my d800, 5 lenses and 3 flash units for Nikon. But you have Canon lenses, which are better than Nikon's and even than e.g. Sigma's or Tamron's for Nikon. Now d850 seems to be the best of the best, but Nikon apparently cannot make the best of the best lenses. Canon can. So wait 6 months and Canon will sell you a camera comparable to or topping the d850, especially considering the lenses.

Oct 24, 2017permalink

richard-kw

I use Zeiss lenses - the cost of the camera pales in comparison - and my choice of camera bodies depends whether they are compatible with my lenses.
That said - what is "the best of the best" depends not on gear, but on the photographer. As Ansell Adams told us all generations ago, it is not the camera that takes the photo - it is the person holding it!

Oct 25, 2017permalink

(unknown member)

Heh...I am totally happy with my 5DIII and still crawling up the learning curve.
If only buying another camera body would help my pictures!
PS. Ansel Adams has been dead since 1984. I went to see his pictures in an exhibition a while ago.
Hmmm...it's been quite a while and time is a very cruel judge.

Oct 25, 2017permalink

sunilkumar

I will buy 850 because I have 6 lenses and d800 body.if I would have been in canon camp then I would have used 5d mark-x till canon bring new refresh. For all practical purposes and skilled photographer canon or Nikon both are capable tools.

Oct 25, 2017permalink

SmilerGrogan

Patience grasshopper. Worry not about being left behind because you shoot with Canon. They will come out with a product that blows Nikon out of the water soon...Remember the 10, 20, and 30Ds? The first 5D? The 1DX? The two camera companies will always leapfrog one another—it is the natural order of things.

Oct 31, 2017permalink

decentrist

oh yes, Canon sensor tech does blow

Jun 16, 2018permalink

but this cam does make it seem pathetic that the 5DIV does not have 4kHD or any of the lesser aps-c canon cams.

but we know why don't we !

but still pathetic and sad there canon !!!!!!

Oct 23, 2017permalink

And how are you getting any 4khd from the 5div ?

Has ML gotten to this stage ?

Enjoy !

Oct 25, 2017permalink

Makes me wonder if the percentage scores mean anything, or are even meant to mean anything.
I notice a lot of people get hung up about them.
There's a danger that the scores get compiled according to the features a camera doesn't have compared to other camera ecosystems, which are irrelevant or ignored by to the user base, and have no reflection on the enthusiasm with which the camera is going to be seized. It's cute to attempt an 'objective' stance but feature scoring risks giving over 90% to ephemeral consumer cameras instead, rather than this camera which looks like a landmark.
I for instance don't care about dual-pixel autofocus and the pentaprism taking up a lot of space. You can mark down the professional high resolution SLR camera I'm looking at looking at because of it, but it doesn't change how important a release this camera is.

Oct 22, 2017permalink

If you don't like the scoring here, check out DXO. ;)

Also, the landmark was placed a year ago by Sony.

Oct 29, 2017permalink

tabloid

Great review.

Oct 22, 2017permalink

FLruckas

Quirky autofocus.
No IBIS.
Hmmmm.
At this many MP ya gotta have IBIS.
Sony got it.
Nigone and Cantmakemuchrightbutstillmakingalotofmoney didn't get that memo...
Will this lens mount still be around after Sony puts them out of their misery?
I hope Nikon sells as much as they can.
But I think we're gonna hear about them being on life support in a couple of years.

Oct 22, 2017permalink

Lobbamobba

Sony are also loosing money on every camera they sell (acording to their financial report). We will see who gets out first.
Samsung probably saved a lot of money by jumping early.

Nikon will probably disappear in a few years. But so will Sony, Fuji or Panasonic. They cant all loose money for ever, one has to go.

Oct 23, 2017*permalink

Michael1000

Not looking like they will be out of business. This camera has been back ordered for months.

Oct 23, 2017permalink

FLruckas

I certainly don't wish Nikon would go out of business.
They make some great glass and some great high resolution cameras.
http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/nikon/about-nikon/nikons-2017-annual-report.html
But their future might be uncertain.
I wish they'd make something to compete with Canon's C series.
I may come back to this post in 5 years and we'll all know then what the landscape is going to look like. I'll predict Canon will still be in business. And I'd suspect that someone else other than Nikon owns Nikon.
We shall see for sure.

Oct 24, 2017permalink

Why a camera maker with a 100-years experience should copy some beginner's solutions, which are a bit experimental and not always work? IBIS is not the perfect solution, because stabilization is not the same for every lens. It is better to have an individual stabilization system tailored for each lens separately. Besides, sensor-shift stabilization is not suitable for a telephoto lenses, because the sensor's movement would be too big (and IS is crucial for telephoto). Sony sells a lots of cameras but not because they are very good, but because Sony is rich and pushes sales with promotions, marketing and so on. Believe me, I tested a lots of cameras and I really cannot use the Sony's. They look good on paper, but their revolutionary solutions doesn't work in a real life.

Oct 24, 2017permalink

Michael1000

Nikon needs IBIS in their mirrorless offering. Why? Lenses don't have rotational stabilization, and jittery image rotation looks horrible and amateur in video.

I agree Sony's IBIS is not great. Check out the Panasonic GH5 which has IBIS and lens stabilization. You can get tripod like shots with the GH5 handheld.

Oct 24, 2017*permalink

@Michael1000

It's backordered because Nikon's production line is slow. Most of the preorders haven't even been fulfilled yet, and it's coming up on 2 months since they started shipping...

Oct 29, 2017permalink

Michael1000

I would rather have the Nikon line slow, but putting out high quality products, than fast and low quality products.

Oct 29, 2017permalink

WillieG

Nikon is Number One now and Canon is a close second. Sony is an also-ran nipping at the heels of the big dogs. It's been this way for at least a decade and still the Sony fanboys keep hoping and keep regurgitating the same old garbage about the future. 100 years from now when Nikon is still making Camera of the Year, if Sony hasn't been long ago put to rest by the latest cell-phone camera, their fanboys descendants will still be spouting the same tired old drivel.

Mar 7, 2018*permalink

Alex Rathmann

great camera

Oct 21, 2017permalink

asimsphotography

Great job done by Nikon. I would like to wait for few more months for price to get lowered 😀.

Oct 21, 2017permalink

MrBrightSide

A few months ago DPR was up in arms about the inaccuracies of one of the mirrorless camera's autofocus (sorry don't remember which one) , but now they're back to hammering on the DSLR autofocus.
What are we going to do now that neither system is up to the challenges of 21st century resolution demands? What is the third way???

Oct 20, 2017*permalink

did you not see the blurry shot of the lady with the umbrella? it's totally unusable, because the d850 autofocus failed.

categorizing unusable mush like that as being "up in arms" is nonsense, the d850 is supposed to be a pro camera.

Oct 21, 2017permalink

primeshooter

Exactly. I very much doubt it'll get anywhere near to the D5 or d850 AF systems ability with moving subjects or in low light. PS the umbrella shot is useabe. (To the poster below)

Oct 25, 2017permalink

pkcpga

A little surprised by the score, still received gold but would have thought a hair over 90. Also not sure why any 3k camera should have the exact same focus system as one that’s more than double it’s cost, it’s competition is the 5d’s and a7’s at that price point.

Oct 20, 2017permalink

Vignes

True but review sites job is also to verify manufacturers claims of certain features. Nikon has set a perception about the AF by the way they worded on their announcements, the way their reps claims.

Oct 21, 2017permalink

interesting that the sigma dp2 Q resolves as much, more really, but has no chromatic & aliasing.

BUT, notice the diff rendition of some detail - refer to the top left of the woodcut (center left), the very upper slice of woodcut has diagonals, the bayer goes 1 way the sigmas go the other, i ASSume the bayers are correct and there are other renditions that are a bit screwy for the foveon (other pics and such).

of course it should not but i always wonder what a mainstream cam (canon, nikon, sony,pan,etc) would be like with a sensor like the foveon and if the megapixel wars would cease ?

canon has had patents of similar sensor layouts as the foveon but of course it has to be diff, but then it seems hard to get the same/similar noise range of bayer sensors.

the nikon D850 looks like a beast of a cam, just wish .......

Oct 19, 2017*permalink

thaJeztah

Comparing it at ISO6400 and low light, the Sigma is almost black and white though, so I guess each sensor has its qualities in different areas https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=nikon_d850&attr13_1=sigma_dp2q&attr13_2=canon_eos5dsr&attr13_3=pentax_645z&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=6400&attr16_1=6400&attr16_2=6400&attr16_3=6400&attr171_0=2&attr171_1=2&attr171_2=2&attr171_3=2&normalization=compare&widget=554&x=-0.3998623953665478&y=-0.7697196963891942

Oct 22, 2017permalink

yes poor higher iso is a known issue for foveon sensors for a long time.

that physics thing getting the way.

the older merrill non q sensors are slightly better but still no comparison.

this tells us that layers of silicon being used as filters rather than just RGB colored filters on a pixel does indeed reduce the photons reaching the lower layers.

i suspect this is 1 reason canon and others have not released a product with their versions of sensors similar to the foveon.

hard to fool that physics thing.

Oct 23, 2017permalink

Midwest Camera Guy

What's up with the image captions? Processed to taste? Details, details? If you're not going to give any valuable information on the image processing, save yourselves some time and space and don't write anything at all. It just looks dumb and lazy.

Oct 19, 2017permalink

Marko2

I believe the point of that is to distinguish between jpegs straight from the camera and jpegs created by manually processing raw files.

Oct 19, 2017*permalink

Carey Rose

Mmm.

Oct 21, 2017permalink

thaJeztah

Was surprised that the one captioned "details details" seemed to have heavy motion blur (or that's what it looks like)

Oct 22, 2017permalink

Midwest Camera Guy

Yea, I get it. Processed to taste helps compare non-processed shots. But it still is dumb. I assume every shot is processed now a days unless the captions says, Not Processed, or Straight Out of Camera. Just call out those few times that a photo is not processed. If you're not going to give me the process details you've told me nothing I can't assume already. I don't go to a restaurant wondering if they are going to add seasoning or sauce to taste. Nor would that restaurant say, Chicken made to taste. Your going to get a description that makes your mouth water, or just say, Chicken Plain No Seasoning. Saying Processed to Taste only leaves me frustrated. Already know that and not knowing anything more. Just my opinion. I know others will vary.

Feb 4, 2018permalink

Tan68

I imagine 'processed to taste' is there to head off complaints that the processing itself is inadequate.

The shadows are too open
Not enough micro contrast in the clouds
Too much saturation in the blues

Doesn't matter; the file was processed to taste / preference

Feb 6, 2018permalink

Processed to taste merely means that it's not an out-of-camera JPEG (everything is unless otherwise stated), and that some creative choices have been made by the photographer or reviewer, rather than it being processed to a formula.

Feb 6, 2018permalink

(unknown member)

The thing that amazes me most in this test is the quality of 24-120/4 and 85/1.8 can produce. Are those some miracle golden samples or what I have been not getting with my tests on those lenses? Well, back to practice, I guess.

There seemed to be occasions thought that claimed the lens to be 85mm/1.8 where as it was also said to be 105mm/1.4 on that other info field.

Oct 19, 2017permalink

Anoop kumar

24-120 f4 performs much better in D800E/810. it can't tolerate D850's high mp sensor.resolving power is just avarage of this seven year old lens. center sharpness is very good but top,bottom,and corner sharpness is not
up to the mark.

Oct 20, 2017permalink

Marko2

"24-120 f4 performs much better in D800E/810."

No it doesn't, corners of the lens don't magically become sharper just because you sample them at lower resolution. Compare 24-120 + D800 and D850 shots at the same magnification and D850 combo will perform better.

Oct 25, 2017*permalink

Could be the different microlens setup on the sensor. The more MP, the harder they are to optimize.

Oct 29, 2017permalink

Michael S.

Oh...so far - 46 depressed Canon-fanboys ("I had it").
;-)

lol - those trolls never seem to get any brains.

Oct 19, 2017permalink

does nikon ever tire of stealing/using sony sensors ?

and no, your ego is full but full of what, why would canon boys be depressed, only the silly twits of any camp think tech is more important than the composition and capture of a 'once in lifetime' pic.

but then an artist does NOT care so much as the silly non artist do they ?

go out and shoot w/ whatever cam you have, stop the silly ____boy rants, become an artist !

Oct 19, 2017*permalink

RyanBoston

It’s not a Sony sensor.

Oct 20, 2017permalink

Michael S.

@KrampusClaus!

Your "hate" for Nikon is so large you don't even checked it - that sensor in the D850 is NOT MADE by SONY!
Back into your cave troll.

Oct 20, 2017permalink

Herra Kuulapaa

It's quite unintelligent to claim manufacturer is stealing sensors, just sad :(

Oct 20, 2017permalink

barrym1966

its cool sony kept the stacked sensors to themselves, this is a dinosaur sensor already surpassed by what sony has

im sure nikon came up with the backlit sensor all by themselves....

Oct 20, 2017*permalink

A chip coming out of a Sony factory, destined for a third party can be a blend of Sony and that client's IP. It's not necessarily an off-the-shelf part.

Whoever manufactured it (and I can't find any credible source for the TowerJazz assertion), it seems to include some of Nikon's own IP.

Oct 20, 2017permalink

nikon has not made sensors for a very long time, maybe suggest some design to 'whoever' makes their sensors.

one thing for certain is that canon makes their own sensors - aps-c & 35mm & H & others including 1/2.3" but not the 1" supposedly.

so nikon morons have nothing but hate for any make cameras that actually designs and creates and manufactures their own senors - sensor envy we call it OR something else that is very small envy ??

do nikon fanboys live in caves, NO, they steal others shells and drag them around, lonely as they are !! ;)

ps: stealing is BUYING, and is not the same as designing or manufacturing, whether sony or toshiba or .....!

Oct 21, 2017*permalink

Tan68

Well, Canon does make their own sensors.
This has proven ...challenging at times.

I do believe a Nikon or a Pentax does have some influence in the overall sensor package in that some Pentax or Nikon cameras have offered slightly better results than a Sony camera with same generation sensor.

Nikon input to Sony could be 'don't eat the stars'

:^)

Feb 6, 2018permalink

of course very easy to create a wish list, any semi-conscious fanatic can, but how easy is it to 'do' them ? Not so easy.

and honestly, canon likely has had the capability of better base DR, but then if you notice, canon is all about 'feasibility' vs those wish lists.

that is both likely the base reason for the lack of non-pro 4khd vid & not the class leading DR of sensors, bottom line $$ reasons.

canon makes $$ from their camera biz, they have led the biz for many years.

when sony bought minolta in ~2004 or whenever it was, Sony made a claim 'we will be the #1 camera maker in 5 years', has that happened , Nope.

BUT, sony is the #1 maker of sensors, but NOT 'real' camera sensors, cell phone sensors !!

it is a shame canon did not think to be 'the' maker of cell phone sensors, and spent ALL that R&D $$ that sony spent on those cell phone sensors, then used BSI, stacking on their aps-c and 35mm sensors, making them the class leaders in many ways - bravo to them !! But NOT #1 !!!!

Feb 10, 2018permalink

(unknown member)

Sounds like it's time to replace my Instamatic.

Does anyone know a good getaway driver?

Oct 19, 2017permalink

Nikon-D-shooter

Had the opportunity talking to a pro shooting MLB games and hockey. He's using 2 x D5's and an additional D850 + grip, and a pair of Nikkor 300 f/2.8. He said the difference between the D5 and the D850 + the grip is like day and night and he would never use a D850 because of the slower AF acquisition he experienced.
The D850 was noticeably slower and capturing the moment having 12 FPS on the D5 can be crucial. He said: "the D5 is in another league compared to the D850 when it comes to AF capabilities".
The D5 also have two extra superior AF group area modes that aren't included at all in the D850/D500.
DPreview makes it clear that the D5 have a "better AF system". I believe it's MUCH BETTER in the real world.
Before any personal attacks or rants by the D850 fanboys keep in mind that I do intend to get a D850 but solely for still photography and landscapes and such.
Talking to the real pros out in the field will teach you much more than reading blogs online.

Oct 19, 2017permalink

It seems you don't understand what camera we are talking about. So: we discuss the d850, a camera that costs 3000$. So please, don't throw a sh..it storm on it, comparing to a camera which costs 6500$. They are different cameras, for different buyers. I don't care what your "real pros" say about it. They prefer the d5 - OK. I prefer higher resolution, focus stacking, etc., with the AF system better than in most of 3000$ worth bodies (although slightly slower than in d5). Say to your "real pros" that there is a life beyond hockey (and weddings).

Oct 24, 2017permalink

https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/dslr-cameras/d850.html

Nikon started the "sh..it storm". They claimed the D850 uses the same AF system as the D5.

"The D850 uses the same field-proven ultra-accurate AF system as the flagship D5. "

The price doesn't matter if the company themselves promise something. Then again, they also claimed 2x DR and 2x high ISO noise improvement over the D810, and failed to deliver on that, as well. And preorders. Day 1 people are still waiting on those.

Nikon is a very internally troubled company, and I'm glad I dropped them nearly 3 years ago.

Oct 29, 2017*permalink

Olymguy

I have no idea why your review score downplays D850,
Autofocus still clunky! Q; comparing to what?
Snapbridge is still finicky, even for basic image transfer: How many use that?
Subject tracking not quite up to D5 standards! Q; Does D850 supposed to be a D5 clone?
Lens calibration becomes absolutely critical at this resolution, and can be a pain point: That's the lens weak point not the camera. D850 is upfront.
Focus peaking unavailable when shooting 4K video! I leave it to your imagination.
And 89% ! realy? Shall we switch to D750?

Oct 18, 2017permalink

DarkShift

Need for lens calibration and accuracy issues is like achilles heel of the PDAF in general. Sensor based focusing is more accurate but sadly Nikon's AF solution is slower than competition.

I just received the D850 and silent shutter and articulating screen make's it almost perfect for live view shooting...only if the AF speed would have been similar to 5DmkIV's dual pixel solution. Maybe little bit faster than D810, but not much.

Oct 18, 2017permalink

ANDREOTTI

I have to agree, an 89 is foolish and it appears to show a bias as well. It’s only the most advanced camera available with the highest picture quality available... made by a no-name like Nikon... that’s all = 89. I know it’s not perfect nor would it need to be a 100% score, but 89 is seriously tragic if you really believe that. Points count... when I buy wine I’m more apt to buy a wine with 94 pts that an 89 - just saying.

Oct 19, 2017permalink

rekky

"Snapbridge is still finicky, even for basic image transfer: How many use that?"

Maybe not many use it because of its well-documented deficiencies.

Oct 19, 2017*permalink

FuhTeng

You guys are doing more testing for sRAW and mRAW and its impact to IQ and file size, right? I appreciate the review (and I'm surprised by how quickly it came out) but I'm surprised you guys just say in passing "more testing" about those.

Oct 18, 2017permalink

I saw someone else do mRAW tests, and he didn't recommend using that option. Photos were very blurry compared to shooting full res.

Oct 19, 2017permalink

f100cream

While I can understand Nikon's emphasis on photo image capability (and it is undeniably cutting edge performance), the company can afford to make a few concessions to video users. The most important is the focusing design.

It's not that Nikon lacks the engineering prowess to put out better video. But the company really needs to acknowledge that even hardcore Nikon photo shooters will want to shoot video with at least phase detection focusing. With a high-end model like the D850, the user shouldn't tolerate focus hunting. With the company's current approach to designing DSLRs, they may keep most of their loyal customers but some will inevitably jump ship.

The lack of a built-in flash is a convenience that really shouldn't be taken out if previous flagship models had it. If weather sealing is the issue, then I'm sure NIkon can devise a foolproof cover of some type over the hotshoe.

I bet fixes are planned for future models, though.

Oct 18, 2017permalink

(unknown member)

I am a hardcore Nikon PHOTO shooter for over 40 years. I never use live view
and I have zero interest in video! Maybe I am the exception but I would really like to know how many Nikon photo shooters care about video performance?

Oct 18, 2017*permalink

Olymguy

+NOWHITELENS I agree with you mate.

Oct 18, 2017permalink

north3d

No, No, Video killed the photo model :o)
I've been a Nikon-only shooter for about 15 years.
Video has completely taken over my shop.
I would have to spend money-I-can't-afford
to shoot video with Nikon quality-level glass.
Besides, I Already had the glass.
Damm right I want to shoot video through it.

Oct 18, 2017permalink

DarkShift

I disagree about the built in flash. It's recycling time vs power output was way too long compared to external flashes... so framerate dropped to very slow. Not much use for serious shooting.

Oct 18, 2017permalink

Nikon has made quite a bit of effort to accommodate video shooters with the D850. Some of which is great, other aspects of which are maddening.

My write-up about it should be published on Monday.

Oct 18, 2017permalink

Duncan D

NOWHITELENS I do care because now more and more jobs includes photos and videos and they can't afford to get a photographer and a videographer so yeah... it's important.

Oct 18, 2017permalink

(unknown member)

Duncan D:
f100cream claimed " that even hardcore Nikon photo shooters will want to shoot video".
I fully understand that you need video for your jobs, but are you really a hardcore Nikon photo shooter?

Oct 18, 2017permalink

@Richard Butler
Please do a video file test against the competition including dynamic range, color in low light, grading, white balance and overall color science.
Thanks!!!

Oct 19, 2017permalink

SmilerGrogan

I would love to be a hardcore Nikon photo shooter, but about one in three jobs I go out on, the clients ask me if I can also shoot video.

Oct 21, 2017permalink

Azathothh

NOWHITELENS: don't be a lens racist.

Oct 24, 2017permalink

(unknown member)

Azathothh:
I picked my name NOWHITELENS only to bug some of my friends who are Canon shooters. I am the first to admit that Canon makes great lenses and many Canon shooters really know how to use them!

Oct 24, 2017permalink

FLruckas

whitelenz...
"Maybe I am the exception"
I'm here to confirm you're the exception......
You're the same guy who doesn't want an automatic transmission, air conditioning, radio, seat belts, or cup holders in his car.
BTW, like your screenname.
I have a few leftover black lenses.
Wanna buy them?
I'm a white lens kinda guy myself.
:=)

Oct 29, 2017*permalink

ictium

Just a question... Due to calibration issues, is this camera appropriate for concert shooting where distance between the photographer and the artists constantly changes ?

Oct 18, 2017permalink

DesmondD

I think it all depends how big you are going to print - basically it will be just as good as any camera before it at the same print sizes - the extra megapixels just show more imperfections if you zoom in closer.

Oct 19, 2017permalink

Benjamin Kanarek

I would have probably given it a 92 to 93% result. But then again, what do I know? I have only been shooting professionally for 30 + years and have used a panoply of pro grade cameras. Oh and here is my short Bio just in case the term Pro doesn't ring true:

EDITORIAL CLIENTS

VOGUE China, VOGUE Mexico, VOGUE Portugal, VOGUE Brazil, VOGUE Paris, VOGUE Italia, Harper’s BAZAAR China, Harper’s BAZAAR en Español, Harper’s BAZAAR Hong Kong, Harper’s BAZAAR Turkey, Harper’s BAZAAR Italia, ELLE Canada, ELLE Québec, ELLE Hong Kong, ELLE Mexico, ELLE Spain, ELLE Portugal, GLAMOUR Italia, GLAMOUR France, GRAZIA Italy, GRAZIA Russia, DEPECHE MODE, FASHION Magazine, FLARE, L’OFFICIEL Paris, MADAME FIGARO, NEW YORK TIMES Magazine, SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST Post, Style Magazine, W, WWD…

Some commercial clients:

Aldo, AB1 TV Network, Bernard Perris, Camaïeu, Chopard, Clinique Make Up, Dayton Hudson (Target), DIM, EDF, Fairweather, Fleur de Weil Fragrance, Fred Jewellery, Galeries Lafayette, etc...

Oct 18, 2017*permalink

the d850 was lucky to get the 89 that it got, because it's feature set is not up to what the competition is doing... the weak video implementation includes pixel binning, no ospdaf, no focus peaking or electronic stabilization when shooting 4k, 4:2:0, no log capability afaik, etc.

beyond that, no ibis, mirror flap vibration, no fast stabilized primes, efcs & silent shutter only work in mirror-up mode(no pdaf), and a lens lineup that's rather long in the tooth, with *zero* video-centric lenses.

read the faq on how dpr calculates the awards:

"All scores are relative to the other cameras in the same category"
"Movie / video mode: Movie format, resolution, quality and functionality"
https://www.dpreview.com/articles/4416254604/camera-scores-ratings-explained

Oct 18, 2017*permalink

malphotography

I think most of my problems with the review have to do with the con's having nothing directly to do with the camera. You can't judge the camera on the inabilities of Snap-bridge or the availability of XQD cards and the AF isn't quite as good as the D5 a camera dedicated to shooting high speeds.

The reviewer isn't being practical and rate the camera for what it is meant to be used for, not for everything under the sun.

Oct 18, 2017permalink

Richmondthefish

Benjamin Kanarek, I remember you from the Pentax K5 days and you eventually switched over to a couple D800s. I assume by your comment that you have upgraded to the D850? How does the D850 compare to your D800 for day to day work? Also any chance you have gotten to try the Pentax K1 yet? :)

Oct 18, 2017permalink

@OSV
Among FULL FRAME offerings, the D850 is very competitive...

While you are correct that it is missing the ospdaf, and no focus peaking in 4K.
Every review that has done a side by side comparison of the video files against the competition has said that the video out of the D850 in full frame 4k is class leading...better than the Sony A7RII, Canon 5DIV, and equivalent if not better to the Canon 1DC.
Add to this the great dynamic range, and the ISO 64 (which is almost like having a neutral density).

As far as Log, Nikon has flat picture profile, which has been shown to be equivalent to Log profiles and every review that has done testing has shown that it is a breeze to grade your video using this profile (it just isn't called LOG).

This is coming from a site that only does video reviews (EOSHD)!

The Canon 5DIV, does not have 4K out via HDMI, Focus Peaking, Zebra Stripes, C-Log or full frame 4K (Crop of x1.74).
Check out the review on EOSHD if you want an unbiased video review.

Oct 18, 2017permalink

@OSV
With regards to lenses being long in the tooth...
Nikon currently has the most comprehensive set of 1.4 and 1.8 primes on the market...no one currently offers the lineup that they do.
Nikon has completely updated most of their super telephotos, and these lenses are class leading according to all side by side tests.
The 70-200 was just updated, and that lens is considered the reference lens by which all other 70-200's are judged.
Other recent introductions that are considered reference lenses are 28 1.4, 105 1.4, and the 19 TSE.
I am sure you can pick and choose lenses randomly to try and make your point, but the facts posted above stand.

Oct 18, 2017permalink

We don't choose the number at the end of the reviews and it doesn't necessarily reflect the Pros and Cons list.

Our scoring system is made up from something like 30 sub-scores. A predefined algorithm produces the final number. As we're discovering, with cameras reaching the level they are, a camera needs to be near-perfect in every one of those sub-scores in order to exceed 90%.

By contrast, our Pros and Cons list is simply 'things you might want to be aware of, if you're considering this camera.' They're not all equally important, they may not apply to everyone and hence they may not relate to any of the sub-scores, so may not be factored into scoring at all.

Essentially, in our scoring system, a >90% camera would have to be at least a match for the best performer in every aspect of performance. Such cameras rarely exist.

Oct 18, 2017*permalink

https://www.dxomark.com/lenses/launched-between-1987-and-2017/focal-from-1-to-1500/aperture_max-from-0.95-to-45/launch_price-from-0-to-13000-usd#hideAdvancedOptions=false&viewMode=list&yDataType=rankDxo

@nexlupus - "Nikon currently has the most comprehensive set of 1.4 and 1.8 primes on the market..."

"comprehensive"? what part of "no fast stabilized primes" and "*zero* video-centric lenses." did you not get? both canon and sony have lenses that are designed for video; nikon does not have any video glass.

nikon is way behind the times, and what glass they do have is not as sharp as the competition.

prove it for yourself... sort all the lenses on dxo by the sharpness tab, how many nikon lenses do you see in the top 25?

Oct 18, 2017*permalink

You do realize that all of those lenses are reviewed on higher megapixel cameras,
except for the Nikons, so those lenses rate better...if they were reviewed on the D850 all would score higher.

Second, most comprehensive 1.8 and 1.4 means exactly that.

Nikon has the broadest range of primes from any manufacturer.
Your right Nikon does not have any VR prime lenses...

Canon does have IS primes, they are all F2 - 2.8...not 1.8 or 1.4, so again they do not have any fast primes that are VR.

All the facts I stated regarding video capabilities of the D850 are fact.
4K full frame output is better than Canon or Sony in equivalent cameras.

You obviously chose not to read the review from a video expert site.

Last but not least, just looked at your posting history...it is obvious you are a Sony fanboy, so ultimately there is nothing that I can say, even when I point you to actual reviews that have tested cameras side by side, and have come to the conclusion that is smokes Canon and Sony.

Oct 19, 2017permalink

https://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Sony/Sony-FE-85mm-F14-GM-mounted-on-Sony-A7R__917
https://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Nikon/Nikkor-AF-S-NIKKOR-85mm-f14G-mounted-on-Nikon-D800E__814
https://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Sony/Sony-FE-85mm-F18-mounted-on-Sony-A7R__917
https://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Nikon/Nikon-AF-S-NIKKOR-85mm-F18G-mounted-on-Nikon-D800E__814

@OSV Just to give you apples to apples...
I did "prove it to myself" compared like for like, Nikon D800E vs. Sony A7R; both 36 megapixels...

85mm 1.4G Sony = Overall Score = 41
85 mm 1.8 Sony = Overall score = 40
85 mm 1.4 G Nikon = Overall Score = 44
85mm 1.8G Nikon = Overall Score = 44

HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES!!!!

Oct 19, 2017permalink

@nexlupus - "You do realize that all of those lenses are reviewed on higher megapixel cameras, "

no, if the camera body was all that mattered, there would be more canon lenses near the top of the list, and there aren't... because just like nikon, a lot of the canon lenses are old... sony has released 13 ff lenses in less than two years, nikon has only released six lenses in that time period.

the sharpest lenses these days are made by sony, zeiss, and sigma, and the list, when sorted by sharpess results, clearly reflects that.

"Overall Score"

dxo overall score is useless, that's why i specifically called out their sharpness tests... you really don't get it, at all.

"You obviously chose not to read the review from a video expert site."

that guy is an idiot... what part of the d850 having no ospdaf, no focus peaking or electronic stabilization when shooting 4k, 4:2:0, no log capability, no ibis, no evf, etc., did you not get.

Oct 19, 2017*permalink

@OSV
DUDE, how slow are you????
I keep posting facts, all you have to do is open the link.
The sharpness on the Nikon's is better than the equivalent SONY...
Just open the links above, once you equalize 36mpix to 36 mpix...the Nikon is better, SIMPLE....

Oct 19, 2017*permalink

@nexlupus - "i keep posting facts"

no, the dxo overall score isn't factual, at all, it's a conundrum wrapped in a riddle, that they keep secret.

i posted facts, that you refuse to admit... see how you didn't answer the question i asked you about how many nikon lenses were in the top 25 of that list.

Oct 19, 2017*permalink

Again I W-I-L-L write slowly, open the link and take a look at sharpness...
the Nikon's score better when both are using a 36mpix sensor.
You are scared of opening the link aren't you, Sony Fanboy.
Below are some more examples of how Sony fails in sharpness...
Sony CARL ZEISS 35 2.0 - Sharpness = 22
Nikon 351.8 G - Sharpness = 27
https://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Sony/Sony-FE-Carl-Zeiss-Sonnar-T-STAR-35mm-F28-mounted-on-Sony-A7R__917
https://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Nikon/Nikon-AF-S-NIKKOR-35mm-F18G-ED-mounted-on-Nikon-D800E__814

Sony 28 f/2 = sharpness 24
Nikon 28 1.8 = sharpness 28
https://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Sony/Sony-FE-28mm-F2-mounted-on-Sony-A7R__917
https://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Nikon/Nikon-AF-S-Nikkor-28mm-F18G-mounted-on-Nikon-D800E__814

See a trend?

Oct 19, 2017permalink

@nexlupus - "Again I W-I-L-L write slowly, open the link and take a look at sharpness..."

see how you refuse to answer the question that i asked you about how many nikon lenses are in the top-25-sharpest list at dxo? i'll answer it for you: ZERO

there isn't anything else to discuss.

Oct 19, 2017*permalink

So scared to see that your Sony lenses are suspect.
I understand, it's got to be tough when faced with facts proven in the links and websites I provided...
Your so sad, like all Sony fanboys.

Oct 19, 2017permalink

Boeing skipper

These people feeling the need to post their bio, feeling unsecure much @Benjamin Kanarek ?

Oct 19, 2017permalink

Benjamin Kanarek

Yes...very... :-)

Oct 19, 2017permalink

Was a review of the D850 objectively really the place to post a CV all over again? He does it in the SLR forums every other week anyway... wonder why somebody with 30 years in the business needs to do this...

Oct 22, 2017permalink

malphotography

I am coming to this late to reply been busy for the last few months. Lenses are lenses. Nikon has a lot of very good lenses, which are sharp and some older ones. Nikon lenses have fallen out of favour in film making, now days but they used to regularly be used. People need to remember that 4k lenses are between 7-9mp, which pretty much any modern day lenses can handle and when it comes to photography, only photographers pixel peep and there is a lot more to making a good lens than just sharpness.

The D850's video is ok, their flat profile is usable but it isn't in the same league as S-Log, V-log or even Fuji's new f-log, though S-log is a mixed bag and I can't say I am a huge fan. Nikons video weakness really comes with thier video AF, which is not up to most other manufacturers. As a photography camera, it may well be the best all round photography camera on the market though.

Mar 24, 2018permalink

bobabend

The D850 will not cause me to switch from my A7RII. I was considering a Nikon 800 series a while back when they were having the oil splatter problem so I contacted Nikon to get a read on the problem . . . . they denied there was such a problem. I found their rendering to be false which left a sour taste. I think Sony will be out with an A7RII upgrade soon and may switch then. There are a lot of advantages to mirror-less in my view.

Oct 18, 2017permalink

Vince P

Have you contacted Sony about the A7RII problem with the lens mount?? ..

... seems it can't connect to Nikon lenses ... ;-)

Oct 18, 2017permalink

Gon0S

Another funny and false argument to toss at Nikon dSLR !
Seriously, why the MILC fanatics have to imagine brand failures to be assured they made the right choice of owning a SONY camera ??? Doesn't their ILC not work as intended to be forced to bash Nikon or Canon ??

Oct 18, 2017permalink

RubberDials

Seems it can. You can use most lenses in existence with an A7rII.

Oct 18, 2017permalink

bobabend

Please note that my post is factual, not emotional or defensive :-)

Oct 18, 2017permalink

Milosh Kosanovich

Factual except that there never has been an oil splatter problem on the D800 series, so Nikon's "rendering" was true.

Oct 18, 2017permalink

Vince P

@rubberdials only in manual focus and wide open in the case of the E lenses and not even manual focus for the P lenses.

Oct 18, 2017permalink