X-Transformed? Fujifilm X30 Review

Who cares? It's the most useless graph there is, not to mention destructive to photograhy.

Jun 1, 2015permalink

riveredger

I find it very helpful...

Jun 13, 2015permalink

Kodachrome200

its extremely helpful especailly when looking at small cameras like this. Destructive to photography??? your an idiot

Jan 2, 2016permalink

"Your an idiot". Ha ha! No, YOU'RE an idiot! 'Aperture equivalence' is for imbeciles who place undo emphasis on DOF/bokeh. There is no need for aperture equivalence graphs for people who have a clue. For decades photographers freely moved between different formats - 35mm, 4X5, 6x7 - without silly hipster equivalence graphs! It all comes down to 'image size at the focal plane'. Understand that and it's all easy, but I doubt you even know what it means.

Jan 30, 2016*permalink

riveredger

Drink too much tonight?

Jan 30, 2016permalink

Skipper494

Too heavy, too large, too pricey and despite the EVF and slightly larger sensor, the BSI-CMOS sensor in my Samsung EX-2F will probably out perform it for a lot less money..

Apr 28, 2015permalink

texasfz8

According to Fuji's website the sensor in the X30 is BSI-CMOS, and doesn't use an antialiasing filter. So how do you know your Samsung will outperform it?

May 1, 2015permalink

Lens is the weak point of Fuji X30.

- X30 is a FULL stop slower comparing to Samsung EX-2F and Pana LX7 while zoom out, and I do not see X30 has a STOP advantage over EX-2F, not over LX7 for sure.

- X30 is not wide enough, 28mm vs 24mm found in EX-2F and LX7.

- I do not think X30's lens is sharper than EX-2F's German Schneider lens as seem from old LAB DB, and X30's lens are more less the same as seem from the new LAB DB..

May 4, 2015permalink

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/studiocomparefullscreen.asp#baseDir=%2Freviews_data&cameraDataSubdir=boxshot&indexFileName=boxshotindex.xml&presetsFileName=boxshotpresets.xml&showDescriptions=false&headerTitle=Studio%20scene&headerSubTitle=Standard%20studio%20scene%20comparison&masterCamera=samsung_ex2f&masterSample=sam_0047&slotsCount=4&slot0Camera=samsung_ex2f&slot0Sample=sam_0047&slot0DisableCameraSelection=true&slot0DisableSampleSelection=true&slot0LinkWithMaster=true&slot1Camera=panasonic_dmclx7&slot1Sample=p1040021&slot2Camera=oly_xz2&slot2Sample=pb190001&x=-0.48228694382540566&y=0.1232402519929335

Lens sharpness:

May 4, 2015*permalink

texasfz8

Mike FL,
I looked at the page you listed and if you look at any of the corners of the target, the Samsung does not seem to be performing as well as the other cameras. In particular, look at the watch. This is not unexpected in such a fast lens. Every camera is a compromise. I happen to like the combination on compromises that make up the X30, you clearly do not. Each to his own.

May 4, 2015permalink

@texasfz8;

LX7 and EX-2F are not only much faster than Fuji, but the zooms are much wide which impacts the corners' sharpness.

Yes, compromises are based on what you need.

May 5, 2015permalink

tennjed

The strength of this camera is the overall image quality. To my eyes, the images are truly outstanding if you resist the urge to pixel peep.......Which, admittedly, is a hard thing to do these days.

Its kind of funny, I find that, when I initially take and image, it difficult to resist the pixel peeping urge; but, after the image is several months old, and I go back to look at it again, I am better able to appreciate the image as a whole, and less inclined to examine it at the pixel level. I think the x30 stands up well as a result of this phenomenon.

I would not complain if Fuji were to put it on a diet and move back to x10/20 dimensions. Everything else can remain the same.

Jul 16, 2015permalink

cosinaphile

rereading this months later the samsung has very good iq but not quite as good as the fuji with its bigger sensor .....yes a bigger sensor than the samsung

Mar 5, 2016permalink

cjep1

Sold my X20 and thought that X30 was to follow. But no.

Several reasons made me look towards other cameras like Canon G7X and Sony RX100:

1) low ligth performance is not on par with competitors
2) camera is too bulky size when taken the sensor size into account. It is not a pocket camera; hence, I will not allways bring it
3) EVF is oversharpned and hard to look at over longer time
4) The on/off function (turning the lensbarrel) is not very durable and often my X20 simply did not turn on or announced a focus error that only could be soved by restart the camera.

I really think Fuji missed the opportunity to catch up with Canon/Sony this time also price taken into consideration.

Apr 16, 2015permalink

Other than Canon G7X and Sony RX100 has larger sensor, the lenses are faster.

Most importantly, the X30's lens is not wider as Canon G7X and Sony RX100. 24mm vs 28mm makes LOT of difference.

Again, 10% in the wider end makes LOT of difference while 10% in the long end has not too much difference.

Apr 20, 2015permalink

yonsarh

x30 is probably the best RF style camera on the market right now. I own couple of compact cameras and I must say x30 is probably the BEST. The reason why is everything is almost excellent. From viewfinder to design, specification, every spec is just perfect. some says sensor size is small, but I don't care about sensor sizes, as long as it takes good and sharp pictures, I choose x30 because it doesn't of optical aa filter. Almost daily, I use x30 daily.

Apr 14, 2015permalink

Timmbits

It doesn't matter how they try to rejuvenate this model,

it should really have a 1" sensor by now.

Apr 12, 2015permalink

mautre

Dear dreview friends, I just have a question about the present review: Why if the X20 has 77 points this new model has only 76? overall when I see all the good things that has the x20 in the x30 and more advanced features, something that you can tell about it, I´m actually deciding between the 2 models an this is something that stop me to buy the x30, please help!

Apr 9, 2015permalink

Herts_JoaTMoN

That's an inerrant problem with a fixed high score marking system. The best can only ever be 100% so as new items become available the bar gets set higher but the scoring system cant reflect this. As such the % score here can only be compared to cameras of a similar age. To be fair, they would either need to change the scoring system to something other than a % and increase the high score as better cameras become available or re score all there prior reviews periodically to bring it in line with the current market. I cant see either of those things happening.

Apr 9, 2015permalink

Like Dxo will bring more than 100 score soon ;)
A lot of ppl thought 100 was a % score.

Apr 11, 2015permalink

robenroute

What dpreview.com could do is introduce a time-based correction factor, just like the monetary inflation figures. That would create a possibility to directly compare older and newer cameras (albeit an arguably imprecise comparison).

Apr 15, 2015permalink

There's no need to revise the scoring system. The scores are time-context sensitive in that they represent where a specific camera fits with what else is available at any given time. I think it's a bit naive to expect an earlier model to outperform a newer one as an overall package and so the scoring is relative to 'current alternatives' as opposed to previous models.

Apr 28, 2015permalink

Lou P Dargent

@ Herts: Your typo/auto-correct is an amusing oxymoron.

As I'm sure you know, "inerrant" means "unable to be wrong", so an "inerrant problem" is something of a contradiction.

Inherent is what I'm sure you meant.

Apr 28, 2015permalink

Zeegee

Yep, that one point advantage will certainly determine if you are happy with the camera

Apr 30, 2015permalink

Macjack

I have been looking for a camera with, viewfinder, pull out or flip screen, small size and within my limited budget.
4 cameras seem to have what I need, Fuji X30, olympus omd10,Panasonic GX7 and Sony a6000. All have negative issues for me, but my main concern is sensor size concerning landscapes and grass. Comments on this site say there is a lack of detail with the FujiX30. What does anyone think please?
My main subjects are flowers, fungi and general landscapes. I have noticed a lack of detail in my current compact Ixus and Fuji S9600 with a 1/1.7 sensor.
My problem with the other 3 cameras is the quality of their kit lenses and price of additional lenses.

Apr 5, 2015permalink

When you take the interchangeable lens path, it costs you a lot of money. Because you NEED to buy good lenses to squeeze the best from the body. On my side, i have already 4 lenses for different purposes ;)
Kit lenses are (almost) always average. And so, you loose resolution, even if the sensor is better.
You can add viewfinder on some compacts.
The question still : inter or fixed lens ? With inter lens, you burn your budget soon ;)

Apr 11, 2015*permalink

cjep1

Sony RX100 might be the thing for you (when considering the A6000)

Apr 16, 2015permalink

@cjep1 : yes, i was thinking about RX100 II, with additionnal viewfinder too.
Even an old XZ-2 + viefinder or LX7 + viewfinder can be good options against X30. I totally love my XZ-2 ring command, even if i use an E-PL5.

Apr 17, 2015permalink

Quentin Feduchin

I have an X100S which is wonderful. I want an X100T for no other reason than I like to be up to date; frankly the X100S is all I need.
The same goes for the X30: I want it because it's obviously a very nice iteration of the X and EXR cameras.
I have an older FinePix EXR550 that I loved; it preceded my X100. I took it to India for three months in April 2012 and it did sterling work photographing everything, both still and moving. Regretfully I scratched it on the top, so I will have it for a year or so yet, especially as it is slightly better for taking pictures for eBay - zooming etc - then give it away.
About then (being a poor pensioner) I think I'll replace the 550 with an X30.
Oh, how tough are these decisions..
Bought myself an inexpensive ring flash to use with the X100S; already have a 49mm +10 close up lens to use with it; should be fun.

Apr 1, 2015*permalink

Daniel Leitman

i wish x40 could be
- minimum of 1" BSI x-trans II sensor size (Yes BSI)
- lens 24-100 with manual operation (keep it wider than narower)
- iproved OVF instead EVF with some species from x100 line like split image
- fully articulated display (could be smaller but not only flip)
- dedicated shutter speed dial and iso dial and 2nd small clicky ring on lens for aperture control instead PASM modes (keep it for XF line)
- little bit beter weather sealing

X** line have to be choice for hobbyst and professionals as a small allround camera .. keep XF* line simple and X-A or X-M models ... they are for novices or not so skilled photographers but havin dedicated control for shutter iso and aperture like xe1 or xt1 etc have could break the rules how great little compact for proffesionals have to look like and operate for them !

Mar 30, 2015permalink

Fuji is not very good for making zoom smaller, such as comparing to Canon G7X.

G7X Lens:
- 24-100 with bigger 1" sensor
- smaller in size
- faster
- borders are sharper even sharpness is not G7X's strong selling point.

Fuji is just a company copying the "LOCK" of the Leica M. That's all Fuji X100/10/.. about.

Mar 31, 2015*permalink

Lou P Dargent

But do they have a "LOCK" on the "LOCK"? Looks like it.

Apr 28, 2015permalink

"LOCK" should be read as "LOOK".

In the end of the game in terms of Lens. Fuji is not Nikon and Canon, as well Fuji is not Pana (Leica) and SONY (zeiss).

Apr 28, 2015*permalink

Daniel Leitman

In my POW Fuji have sharp enough lenss but true dimensions could be better but i didnt see any lack of sharpness against his counterparts in this segment. Im rating the g7x lens design as best out there but .... G7X hadnt OVF manual zoom RFstyle body Phase focus etc.... not only one thing is winning the game for camera .. its beter to look at more balanced option for your needs than just specs of which cam could theoreticaly take best picture

Apr 30, 2015permalink

The comment that Fuji is not Canon, Nikon, Zeiss, Leitz is asinine. Fuji has long been a manufacturer of top quality optics for photography and other endeavors. I have owned Fujinon large-format lenses and they are as good as any.

Jun 1, 2015permalink

I've been reading the posts here with interest, and I've learned that the lowly Fuji X30 - and my beloved X10 and X20 - are not very good cameras. (I'm the guy who wished for an X100Z - for zoom - here in a recent comment.)

I've learned that the lens is just OK; the sensor is outdated; the retro style is downright silly; the price is too high; the IQ is only modest; and the whole damned camera is out of date.

By now I'm just amazed that I've managed to produce anything usable with such miserable cameras.

But then I go back and look at the photographs I've made with them, and I like what I see, as do many others. I like the way I can reach out through these little cameras and bring back interesting pieces of the world. And I love the way they fit my hand and my eye. (After all, as I'm credited with saying, a camera is a save button for the mind’s eye.)

I'm sorry, but some of the comments here seem to me like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Mar 30, 2015*permalink

Hi Rodger, I heard you mate, the most important thing about a camera is, if you can build a relationship with it? by the looks of it, you clearly build it and I like to see your photos, please share your link here, but am sure, it is more to do with your skills.

Nothing is wrong with the camera, but mostly people on DpReview site are very critical of any camera even the most popular one (eg. omd's, sony a7*, nikon ff etc etc).

I believe their comments and critics is relative to the other competition.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

Thanks for your comment, Naveed. You can see my latest book, "Searching for Edward Hopper," at:

rpkphoto.smugmug.com/Books/Searching-for-Edward-Hopper.

I hope you enjoy it.

Mar 30, 2015*permalink

Hi Roger, I thoroughly enjoyed your photo book. Photos are exemplary, all are composed, captured and post-processed, exceptionally well.

This also tells the fact, if you really connect to your camera, you enjoy taking your photos more and engage yourself better with it. Regardless of what relative shortcomings of that camera others will find in lab tests.

All the best for your search for Edward my friend!

Mar 30, 2015permalink

Naveed, I like your photographs, very dramatic, particularly those of the Middle East. You could be a photojournalist instead of a software engineer.

You might like the photos I took in the Sultanate of Oman in 2008. They are in in the folder "Travel" at: rpkphoto.smugmug.com.

Visiting there was a transformative experience.

Mar 30, 2015*permalink

Many of the respondents here take this comments section to 'let it all hang out.' and have a little fun. This may be unfair to the Noob!
Anyone wanting a serious opinion of the camera being discussed should just read the review. And I must congratulate the author of the review for a job well done!

Mar 30, 2015permalink

Rodger,

Some real excellent work in your book. I really enjoyed the resonance you achieved with some of the very distinctive visual motifs employed by Hopper - not a simple aping of a surface aesthetic, rather it seems a visual language formed through a considerate synthesis of concerns.

It appears you don't need a new camera.

Mar 30, 2015*permalink

Rodger

I guess it is less the notion that the X30 is not capable of anything good but far more the hard fact that the market offers a number of cameras at similar price-ranges that run ahead of the X30, especially in terms of Sensor Technology.
And whilst I often don't care about pixel peeping, once you start to shoot low light scenarios the X10-X30 these days are no longer what can easily be expected....
My main "issue" is that when the X10 came to the market, even the X20 - they offered a lot of things that no competitor offered in a similarly compact package. Sure there were cameras (larger) out there which offered better IQ - etc... but the X10 was one of the best handling compact cameras with an excellent build.
But you can turn and twist it like you want - the X30 is certainly still "capable" - but the competition offers cameras that will give you all that the X30 does and then some more.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

Joseph Mama

A good photographer can get great results from a mediocre system. No huge surprise there.

That's great that you like how it fits in your hand, but the specs are just not all that exciting to me. Doesn't make it a cruddy camera... just an uninspiring one. Most people could make a better choice and get a bit better results.

But its not like an RX100 Mk3 is 10 times better or anything. The delta between Worst camera and Best camera (in the enthusiast compact zoom 800 dollar ish range), is not all THAT big.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

The RX100 is not the pinnacle of compact fixed lens wonderousness. Those credentials belong to the big-sensor compacts:
Rx1
X100T
Ricoh GR
Coolpix 'A'

Mar 30, 2015permalink

captura .. completely disagreed .. noobs or trolls get what they deserves .. there is no excuse to lack of knowledge or respect for other's opinions.

Roger's comments and mine were related to his personal experience with this camera. I found it very useful, much more than seeing photo gallery posted by DpR sometimes. If it wasn't for you, you may ignore it. Trust me all comments here are optional, no harm will be done to you if you won't read some..

Mar 30, 2015permalink

@electrophoto .. even though I agree with you about Low light IQ not as good as some competitors, but if you look at his photos, you will see most of his work is in good available light.

So the question is will you consider an rx100 over this even if you don't shoot in low light handheld? and if you dont care much about DOF?

Mar 30, 2015permalink

@Roger, a friend of mine is planning to visit Oman and I forwarded him your gallery on it .. http://rpkphoto.smugmug.com/Travel/Oman/
once again i am very impressed with both your writing and photography ... thanks for sharing!

Mar 30, 2015permalink

We have a failure to communicate. You don't understand my meaning and the resulting reply from you is gibberish to my ears. A "noob" or "newbie" is not a disaffected person, but a new member who is not likely to understand the intricacies of these forums. Unlike yourself, I can place no fault on their being 'new' and I believe they should be treated with dignity and patience. Then they will learn, soon enough.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

noobs or newbies .. should have no problem with any of the comments above your troll lines ... its not them who will get affected as much as it will hurt a trolls feelings and I can see it in your response.

in reality, a newbie will be more confused when they will be under a lead of a troll. I am sure, Roger's photos will help any newbie to understand and overcome any obsession of camera body and they will try to get a camera that will help them learn photography not pixel peeping or dxo mark scores.

P.s. I gonna ignore your comments in future, for your silly and arrogant behavior. enjoy your trolling!

Mar 30, 2015permalink

Hardly a troll, read MY comments and see that I own a Fuji X-10. Where does your illogical, extreme reaction and anger come from, I wonder?

Mar 30, 2015permalink

2eyesee

@Rodger
It's not just commenters here who are showing little enthusiasm for this camera. DPR didn't even give it a Silver award, so they don't even rate it against the competition.

That's not to say it's a bad camera and you can't take great photos with it - just that there are far more compelling options around in the current market.

But you already knew all that when you made your sarcastic comment.

Mar 31, 2015permalink

Exactly. And ha ha, where are my troll-followers when I really need them? And this guy doesn't even own an X10, 20 or 30, far as I can see. Calling me a troll, indeed!

Mar 31, 2015permalink

Sean65

You're a photographer Rodger. Most people who complain here aren't. They're just a bunch of unappeasable spec sheet geeks.

Mar 31, 2015permalink

Slim Red

Rodger your review has been most useful to me, the x30 has just moved to the top of my list. Your work is fantastic and I commend you on your approach to a subject matter that is so outside the box. I was told once do your own thing and flourish, keep up the great work.

Apr 3, 2015permalink

So, you decided to ignore all the posts where people said that the X10, X20 & X30 were very good. Why?

Apr 13, 2015permalink

Are you trying to pick a fight with me captura? It's perfectly clear why I wrote as I did; I was making a point, which everybody (including you) fully understood.

Now, two weeks later, when the thread has pretty much run its course, here you are, getting snarky with me. Don't you have anything else to do?

Apr 16, 2015permalink

Not in the least, Rodger, I'm sorry but this is the most hacked-up, confusing and unpleasant thread I've seen in a long time. I just spent the last 10 minutes just trying to figure out what this was all about, and I still don't know. I hope you will accept my apologies.
My reply to any of the above would be something along the lines of electrofoto's post.

Apr 16, 2015permalink

I don't own the X30, though it seems like a good camera. What you describe has always been typical of DPReview, especially since the gadget-loving hipsters took over. Reviews are so uneven and contradictory it can get confusing. The X30 may have a smaller sensor, but it also has a built-in EVF and decent zoom range. For me the latter especially is crucial for a compact/vacation camera. Who wants a zoom that craps out at 70-75?

Jun 1, 2015permalink

Yes of course. And what is the the expression: after all this time, "The hens have come home to roost." At a much lower selling price than the LX100, the X30 has gained acceptance. Where by contrast, and most unusually for him, Steve Huff has panned the Panasonic LX100!
http://www.analogsenses.com/2015/01/27/steve-huffs-first-thoughts-on-the-panasonic-lumix-lx100/
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2015/01/26/my-panasonic-lx100-thoughts/

Jun 1, 2015permalink

ChrisQuijote

Rodger, almost every discussion on this site turns into a technical argument or point scoring. It is the "nature" of a review site, I suppose. Your comment was refreshing, thanks. Enjoy whatever camera you are using and be happy :-)

Apr 5, 2016permalink

I suspect a used X10 would be a more reasonable proposal given the high pricing of this, and the modest IQ.

As to the layout and controls, we are rapidly approaching the stage when neither will have any sort of context, in that generations of photographers are coming that will have never used "classic" controls and will have never used a film camera.

This is great news, because we'll finally break free of the "film" mentality and move forward. The nostalgia is not just pointless, it's counter-productive at times.

Anybody here work as an X-ray tech, an orthopedic, or a radiologist? Do you miss the days of developing and fixing X-ray film and autorads? Do you wish you could get the "feel" and "control" back today, or would you rather use a modern interface and have your patients get their results instantly, with the possibility of further analyses using a computerized interface? Hm...

Why are photographers still stuck when everyone else that uses imaging isn't? Must be hobbyists.

Mar 29, 2015*permalink

kernelpanic

Being in physical manual control of your camera makes it an extension of your self, thats the keyword: physical, you are one with your camera not only in mind, but in body as well. Remember, "you dont take a picture, you MAKE a picture".

Mar 29, 2015permalink

Your commentary belies the full latitude of options that might be desired in a 'creative' process. And your analogies of other imaging technologies ignores the obviously more narrow imperatives of those contexts.

There is ample room for photographic method both reverent and irreverent with respect to historical photographic processes.

As a professor who forwards a great deal of consideration for contemporary contexts, both in theory and practice, I see no dissonance in promoting traditional exposure dynamics and other things, I imagine, you might feel antiquated.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

Am I a hobbyist?

Mar 29, 2015permalink

@ b craw: "Your commentary belies the full latitude of options that might be desired in a 'creative' process. And your analogies of other imaging technologies ignores the obviously more narrow imperatives of those contexts."

Those other tech have contexts that aren't narrower; they're absolutely vital. We need more autorads and medical imaging than we need "artistes" wandering around with dials and buttons, generating "fine art" and shooting images of bowls of fruit... Where it matters, where something improtant is actually on the line, we've moved forward and have left "retro" behind for good.

For photography specifically though, here's my question: Why hasn't anyone come up with a way for me to take an image, send one copy to storage, and another copy directly to the office? Right now? In real time?

Where is the camera that lets me to backup, process, send, and get paid with the press of a single icon on a screen? Emphasis: Get paid, now. Dials and "retro" aren't doing this.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

I believe most understand that my usage of 'narrow' is not a qualitative reference; these other forms of imaging have very specific aims, narrower than the wide range of potential needs of the photography community, "artistes" and non-"artistes" alike.

Btw- Does it make you feel better to add the "e"? Is that a dog whistle that feels your heart with warm satisfaction? I don't walk the earth to defend art or artists. I spend most of my leisure time, decidedly removed from both. I am not going to argue the value of art versus other things with you. But, please do remind me to come to your place of work and add an "e" to whatever your title/occupation might be - just because I think that would be cute.

As for your final question, I'm just not interested in answering.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

"Artiste" is correct. I leave it to you -- since you admit to having leisure time -- to look up the etymology and origins.

There is no answer to my last question. The reason may be that we're wasting time with "retro" cams and not actually moving forward as a result.

To be fair, Fujifilm have released some very significant offerings in the past, and their current range is generally quite good. This one is expensive, and has moderate IQ; however, it's got "retro" looks and is attracting attention as a result.

Would the cam get the same attention if wasn't retro? Is this then a case of form over actual function?

Mar 29, 2015*permalink

'Etymology' necessarily includes 'origin'. So (observing that I am being pedantic), they needn't be listed separately. And, yes, I am familiar with the etymology of 'artist(e)'. My point stands, given the context of your usage.

Putting aside a bit of irritation, I will ask you these questions (and I do so genuinely): how are 'retro' characteristics (speaking most specifically about physical controls) antithetical to the modern developments you desire? Is it just that discussion relating to the former occupies space in forums such as this? Can you imagine a circumstance wherein these things would not be oppositional?

Mar 29, 2015*permalink

Would it be helpful to separate the concept of 'retro' styling from the concept of the tactile utility many refer to in a 'retro' design?

Mar 29, 2015permalink

The retro styling and characteristics aren't necessarily an issue in and of themselves; however, everything on a camera costs money. For $X, given the choice between retro aesthetics and a larger sensor, or retro aesthetics and better WiFi implementation, etc., I think we could be better served going with those other items.

Why not have one of the retro buttons initiate a sequence of events that would backup the image, send a copy to the client, and let the camera show me a paypal (or other) receipt on the screen? (This would resemble a mobile phone...).

The best camera is... no camera. We're stuck with cameras for the time being if we want images. While we're still stuck with cameras though, why not make them more effective and more direct? To me, "direct" doesn't mean having dials; "direct" means "single action results in backup/image sent/payment received/wham bam thank you, ma'am you're done!"

The closer we get to not even needing a camera to do these things, the better IMO.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

I suspect your comment about separating retro styling from tactile utility may have merit. However, I think the best button may be no button, since a display with icons can be made to generate contextual menus etc. This gets back to people hating contextual menus of course.

If contextual menus are the answer to getting us closer to "one tap, and YOU ARE DONE!" then so be it.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

"I suspect a used X10 would be a more reasonable proposal given the high pricing of this, and the modest IQ."

Um, no.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

Photomonkey

Actually radiology and photography are not similar at all. Radiology is a job where the process is generally uninteresting to the practitioner. Photography is generally intimately tied to process for most photographers. I want to get paid for my work as simply as possible and the traditional dials and layout of film cameras do this with far greater efficiency than a multiplicity of buttons and menus. One does not need endless options, just a few easily accessed ones. Thus I CAN get my work done more quickly.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

Are you paid for the process or the image?

Speaking personally, I've paid others for images. Do your clients pay you for the process?

(I just can't resist: Do you wear a beret?...).

Mar 30, 2015permalink

PedroMZ

Radiology is not done outside on a sunny day. Touch screens which are barely visible in broad daylight and require small fingers to use the controls accurately and if over 50 ,reading glasses does not strike me as an advance . One also needs to consider,if old fashioned enough to use a viewfinder rather than the approximate waving of the camera 18" away from your face,that you cannot alter parameters without taking the camera away from your eye. Just because something is 50yrs old doesn't mean it is out of date. SLRs have plenty of buttons and dials , I don't see professionals ditching them.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

Photomonkey

If you were a professional photographer you would pay a lot of attention to process as it is intimately involved in the final result. Photography is often conducted in disparate environments that require quick, reliable adjustments. Radiology is comparable to studio photography in that the conditions are tightly controlled thus changes are minimal after initial setup.
Snarky comments about artistry don't make you look clever, they make you look like a troll.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

You're calling me a troll but avoiding the issues I've brought up.

There's not been a direct answer regarding whether you get paid for the process or the image. If you get paid for the image, the process is quite literally your problem, not the client's. Therefore you can use whatever device you prefer anyway. If you prefer using dials, good for you. Some may say they're "established" or "proven" but they've done nothing to move us forward IMO. We need a simple, direct interface, true, but I don't think this is it.

As to the more important question -- whether you wear a beret -- I'm going to take all that above as a "yes."

It's not an inexpensive camera for the image quality offered. If you like it, so be it. I'd want something that makes imaging easier. To each their own. I haven't lost hope in Fujifilm, as I said their range is noteworthy. This isn't their finest example though.

Thanks for the discussion.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

Photomonkey

One IS paid for the process as there is no image without process.
To the extent process needs to aid the production of the image the inclusion of controls to effect that is important.
Film processing is no longer a part of photography for the most part, however control of the camera with adjustments derived from film cameras that actually are effective is useful to the creation of the image.
Your question has been answered several times in this thread and your insistence that it hasn't does indicate trollish tendencies on your part.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

A used X10 gives you better JPEGS, and probably video.

Mar 31, 2015permalink

I love my X10. I would not trade it for an RX100.

Jun 1, 2015permalink

I used to own the X10 - and quite liked it... always felt, that at the time it came out it was one of the best compacts on the market - a striking balance between size, external controls and good enough IQ - but times have changed and there's not really anything that tempts me with the X30.
When I need a compact I take my LX100 - which is only slightly larger than the X30 - and neither is truly pocketable so it's less off an issue anyhow.
The LX100 does everything the X30 does including a decent EVF but with a much larger sensor, nicer lens (at least for my needs) and a good bit of traditional / external controls. And the price isn't that far off either.

Or if I wanted it even more compact the RX100Mk3 is a tempting offer too...

If fuji would have at least put in a 1" sensor.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

I think a similar cam, at a slightly lower price, with the larger sensor would be much more compelling.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

You were tempted to abandon your lovely X10 for a fidgety expensive LX100? Tsk tsk! You have the dreaded disease called Wanderlust! The X10 is a much prettier camera.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

Captura,
I have no such thing ;)

To me the camera is predominantly a tool to get a task done.
The X10 used to fit the bill perfectly well a couple of years ago.
The LX100 fits the "same" bill better these days.
At work I can use a Nikon D3 - which has its merits.
When do most of the shootings I do on a part time basis I mostly use my m4/3 gear - namely the OM-D E-M1 + Lenses.
But when I travel, I tend to pack on the minimal side of things (a 35Liter (approx. 2000cin) pack is all I take most of the time, whether it's one week or several month.
The LX100 is ideal for this - offering excellent image quality for it's size, a good range of focal length, a very bright lens and plenty of direct control (including that lovely aperture ring) to make most shooters happy who prefer not to dig through menus all the time.
As said, if Fuji would have abandoned the 2/3 sensor for either a 1" or larger - I'd happily upgraded to the X30.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

Rallyfan,

I don't even think they should have lowered the price - if they opted for a larger sensor.

I guess doing so (adding a larger sensor) fuji would probably threaten it's own X-System sales a good bit too much....
But the sensor and its output just feels dated.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

X30 has no advantage in Lens, Sensor/low_light, and Compactness comparing to others, such as LX100, RX100-3, G1X-2, G7X.

Lens:
X30's not very fast zoom is NOT wide enough by today's standard while others are 24mm,

Sensor:
Of course, the X30 is noticeably poor in low-light b/c dated smaller 2/3 sensor while others are at least 1".

Compactness:
X30 is not a small camera for what X30 can offer.

Buying a travel camera is based on common sense + compromise as you can see from "Amazon Best Sellers Rank", RX100-3 has been #1 among the cameras mentioned above.

Again, it is all about common sense, and X30 is compromised way too much.

Mar 30, 2015*permalink

electrophoto, I suppose you're right. A better sensor (larger? better? both?) would make the existing price more palatable. I also agree that doing so might make people think twice about moving up the Fuji range.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

Frank C.

IQ not part of the PROs.....'nuff said

Mar 29, 2015permalink

CaPi

I really loved my X10. I sold it because I had issues with the OVF not showing me precisely what I was really shooting and what not.
I miss it. Begone temptation ^^

Mar 29, 2015*permalink

Get it back and don't look back!

Mar 30, 2015permalink

I had couple of Rangefinder in the film day, and it was nearly impossible to get precisely composition via OVF.

Therefor I used Rangefinder most for B/W b/c I can do the darkroom/enlarge by myself, and crop them as necessary.

Mar 31, 2015*permalink

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx100/images/Equiv_Ap.png

Lost and found for the X30's Low-light performance comparing to other P&S:

Mar 29, 2015*permalink

Do you have a similar chart comparing low-light performance including big-sensor compact P&S's ?

Mar 30, 2015permalink

@captura;

Other than RX1, LX100 and G1X-2 are the currently largest sensor P&S, and both are in the chat.

The chat implies low-light performance, but it is kind of closing to the fact.

By using LX7 vs X30 as an examples, in the chat LX7 is outperforming X30 @widest, and DPR Lab testing shows X30 has less than one stop ISO advantage, but LX7's lens is full one stop fast than X30.

Mar 31, 2015permalink

I was referring to the very compact Nikon Coolpix 'A' with a DX/APSC sensor, the compact Ricoh with same, and the Fuji X100T, also APSC. They hugely outclass your list in image quality.

Mar 31, 2015permalink

alexovitch

totally agree with you captura!

Mar 31, 2015permalink

Olymore

But they don't have a zoom lens. And that is what takes up a lot of room.
You really need to compare them with the Fuji X100T.
I don't own any of these cameras but really you've got to respect what Panasonic achieved in making their lens for a reasonably large sensor so small and yet so fast .

Mar 31, 2015permalink

@captura;

I roughly compared LX100/G1X-2 with three APSC P&S you mentioned by using DPR Lad results.

Here is what I can see in terms of High-ISO. X100T has a stop advantage over GR and A and may be up to two stop better than LX100/G1X-2.

But LX100/G1X-2's lens (@widest) are FULL one stop fast than GR and A. So GR and A has no really advantage.

In the real word, you need to consider that LX100/G1X-2 has more than three STOP OIS. In the other words, LX100/G1X-2 should get better pictures than GR and A at least, or even better than X100 in low-light for most of the shooting (not for moving targets).

None zoom lenses has one advantage - better Optical results.

Mar 31, 2015*permalink

I have looked the DPR Lab again, X100T only has little over one stop advantage over G1X-2 in higher ISO.

But G1X-2's left bottom is sharper than X100T in base ISO. Never thought X100T's lens is not as good as I thought.

Mar 31, 2015permalink

In theory the X100T should have the advantage, I agree. But the combination of outstanding lens quality, sensor, engine in both the Coolpix A aand the GR have led some reviewrs to heap accolades upon the image quality coming from both cameras. That was the impression I got last week but in truth, I don't really know. They're all good.

Mar 31, 2015permalink

captura;

The only thing I can say is that if EVF and zoom is not so important for you, a $399 (when it was on sale months ago) Coolpix A is not a bad choice/deal, now the price is backed to $499.

Mar 31, 2015permalink

Thanks, and I phoned a downtown store to-day and they have a few left which they will sell for $299. I'll leave the details on the forum.

Mar 31, 2015permalink

Very good deal,

I'm not sure if you already have Lightroom for PP. Some time I see deals that buying a hard driver or a SSD with a free copy of Lightroom.

Of course, NIKON has its own PP software for downloading.

Apr 1, 2015*permalink

I almost got a package with LR included but it was $100 more. Anyway, for the time being I'm just doing JPEGs. The A is very good with that.

Apr 1, 2015permalink

Biowizard

Cameras made (mostly) of metal, with real dials, real focus rings, etc., are so much nicer than blobs of amorphous plastic controlled via menus. Just being retro styled does NOT mean you are cut off from the latest in electronic wizardry, as my wonderful OM-D E-M1 shows. It looks and handles a LOT like my 1976-vintage OM-1, and yet I can control it remotely via an iPad, process and play with raw images on board, and do so much more than simply spend all my pocket money on spools of Kodachrome 25.

Brian

Mar 28, 2015permalink

four under

I agree wholeheartedly. I just find cameras such as the X30 so much more pleasant to use. Photography is ultimately about the image, but I find when I enjoy using a camera I am making a lot more of those images.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

I loved "do so much more than simply spend all my pocket money on spools of Kodachrome 25." ;)
Sometimes, i find funny assertions, made by hipsters lomo, telling they spend less money with their film cameras :D They probably take 1 photo a week...
I like touchscreen, EVF...and dials, buttons, rings....
Touchscreen is not going to replace all. And "retro style" is not just for hipsters : it is effective on some points. But not all ;)
Finding the right balance is the difficult part.

Apr 11, 2015permalink

2eyesee

Can someone please explain to me why people find these retro designs appealing? Am I just not 'old school' enough (I got into photography about 15 years ago)?

Mar 28, 2015permalink

i like the direct controls of the Fujis ... the retro look less so ...

Mar 28, 2015permalink

JJ1983

What's not to like?

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Because we do. Can someone please explain to me why that's a problem?

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Provia_fan

Functionality and interface.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

mcshan

Because the cameras are not pink.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

D1N0

Because the alternative is a rounded hunk of plastic

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Don Sata

Well, most people like the looks of nice vintage cars, some don't, it's ok to not.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

ChowMonkey

Because we have good taste?

Mar 28, 2015permalink

the X10 was a winner cos there was no competition ... I don't see y someone will get an X30 today instead of an LX100 for example ! except that is cheaper ...

Mar 28, 2015*permalink

Simon97

Some people like cupcakes better. I, for one, care less for them.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Michael_13

Because most modern designs look like a bar of soap and lack buttons.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Battersea

I love the functionality of being able to quickly adjust major parameters. The aperture should just always (except on super simple or compact camera be on the lens, it's intuitive.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Tonio Loewald

In answer to the original question: by the time digital photography came along camera design was very refined and the ergonomics of cameras were excellent. Digital cameras aren't, in general, designed for ergonomics but to be small and cheap.

If you look at DSLRs, even the non-retro cameras have, essentially, retro controls (cheap SLRs had few controls and shooting modes, expensive SLRs had more controls with direct access to underlying functionality) — this is why Nikon's Df is so silly.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

https://www.google.com/search?q=leica&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=rcs&biw=1536&bih=731&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=0QUXVcfyEpKxsAS_44LgCg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAw#rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=rcs&tbm=isch&q=leica+m

"why people find these retro designs appealing?".

Not all camera makers' "retro designs" are as appealing as FUJI b/c X100, X10/20/30 have been copying the "LOOK" as below:

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Mrrowe8

Yep your definitely not old enough ..

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Valiant Thor

We could explain it to you, however we can't understand it for you.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

HMeYe (17 hours ago)
"the X10 was a winner cos there was no competition ... I don't see y someone will get an X30 today instead of an LX100 for example ! except that is cheaper ..."

oh, and it has a far better EVF and a tilt screen, oh and the battery lasts way longer, oh and it has infinitely better out of camera jpegs oh yes, and the colors are way superior, oh nearly forgot... it has a manual zoom. oh, it also feels better in the hand...oh, and it has a proper exp compensation program even in manual mode.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

Both LX100 and X30 are the step sons of 60+ years old Leica-M by the "look"

LX100 has far better low-light IQ, but poor useability while X30 is other way around.

In the other words, LX100 is more liking its step farther.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

2eyesee

Thanks for the replies (to some of you at least!). From these I have concluded:

1. The design of film cameras was refined over decades. Form follows function, so just because we are now digital doesn't mean camera designs can be made any better.

2. I am definitely not old enough to appreciate the styling of old cameras.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

jeffinchiangmai1

Maybe you have to live longer. I bought an Olympus in 1970 buy just going into the shop; no DP then. I took it on holiday. While winding on the first roll, I had 3 great pictures of my feet. I loved this camera as every holiday picture was great. Not to mention the tiny Olympus that Chris Bonnington took to everest. Those were the days; little money but a lot of yearning. When we see new retro cameras that remind us of those days, our hearts start beating faster. The manufacturer's know this. Who cares; more please? I'm your No.1 sucker.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

2eyesee;

Do not buy a camera just b/c the "look", but few will buy bad looking cameras, such as tasteless Pentax KSs b/c they made the owner seems tasteless.

Some Retro cameras are beautiful such as Leica M, that's why FUJI has been copying them.

Mar 31, 2015permalink

Olymore

It's not just about looks but as has been mentioned, it's the functionality.
Modern cameras force you to carry most of the weight of the camera in your right hand and control all the functions with the same hand.
Older cameras had it right where you set the aperture ( and shutter speed with Olympus OM cameras) and focused with the left hand that was supporting the lens while the right hand held the camera, set the shutter speed and and pressed the shutter.
It made for a much more balanced handling experience.

Mar 31, 2015permalink

57 "I own it", 23 "had it"

Will amazon sale the "23" as "OPEN BOX" to take a lose, or send these "23" back to to FUJI?

Any insight?

Mar 28, 2015*permalink

M Jesper

Just a useless button people click on.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

mcshan

I miss the old DPR user reviews with star ratings given to cameras that were not even released yet.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

four under

How do you know that any of the 23 were sold by Amazon?

Mar 28, 2015permalink

HowaboutRAW

four under:

The point is the "had it" has no method of verification at all--whether or not the camera was purchased at Amazon.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

four under

HowaboutRaw:

I understand that and agree fully with you. It's just that the OP explicitly mentioned Amazon as a potential reseller without any knowledge of where the 23 alleged "had it" came from.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

just consider "I had it" as a "down vote" or "dislike" or "I don't want it".

Maybe dpR should revise the titles or maybe we should all be more objective, more true.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

Stitzer23

Bla3. Main question is will this camera make the dress look blue n white?

Mar 28, 2015permalink

I always liked the X10/20/30 cams , never owned one though ...
i tested the 3 of them and had the chance to use the X20 for quite some time ...
when i tried the X10 I had the LX5, when i tried the X20 I had the LX7 and when i tried the X30 i had the Nikon 1 V3 !!! recently i had tested the X30 and compared it with the Nikon 1 V3 that i already own ...

Fuji X30 vs Nikon V3
http://t.co/P5nBF251we

Mar 28, 2015*permalink

So how exactly are these two cameras comparable? (X30 vs Nikon V3) quite aside from them being totally different categories the V3 is at least twice as much as the X30 with it's slow kit lens (which, even with the help of a larger sensor can't match the X30 even in low light) and that's not even adding in the extra cost of the EVF and grip (both necessary to bring the V3 closer to X30 handling and features and themselves costing more than the X30). So at over 3 times the price is it any wonder you'd think the V3 is a better choice? I really don't get your point.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

And his progression is screwed up. Instead of the V3, he should have got the LX100 just so he could try the X30.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

nerd2

Tiny sensor, steep price, no 4K video that every (android) smartphones have - why?

Oh - and isn't it considerably larger than RX100 series with larger BSI sensor and faster optics too?

Mar 28, 2015*permalink

Why...

Have you shot with one yet?

Mar 28, 2015permalink

mcshan

I believe nerd2 is merely pointing out his/her issues with the camera as stated. These are legitimate concerns to some.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Don Sata

What's the use o 4k video now?

Mar 28, 2015permalink

maxnimo

Don, because we have 4K tv's now.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

I don't have a TV.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

nerd2 is not just pointing out his/her concerns, s/he is asking WHY? Most photographers (in the true sense of the word) will tell you, the way a camera feels and operates is more important than its specs. Most photographers already have a camera or system that far exceeds the specs and IQ of the RX and LX series the OP is referring to. These same photographers don't mind the smaller sensor nor the size (which in fact is an advantage over the inferior smartphone-like handling of the RX100s) nor the steep? price which is about 2/3 or even 1/2 of the other two. As for the 4K video? most 'photographers' couldn't care less about the video and those who do wouldn't even read bother with any Fuji, period. Image quality isn't just about megapixels or high-ISO performance and even then none of it matters if your camera doesn't make you want to go out and shoot, the X30 does and that's why cgarrard asked whether he/she had shot with one, even if you don't buy it at least you'll understand 'why'.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

Fuji made their choice to go X-Trans. If they hadn't I can guarantee you that their cameras would be running with excellent video. 4K or not.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

Skipper494

Like most Fujis since the S2 Pro, overpriced and underperforming, compared to the competition. A Nikon P7700, or even the P340 is a better buy. Although considerably larger, the Panasonic FZ70 is a fantastic camera.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

KonstantinosK

B&H lists this for $499 and the X-A2 for $549.95 with lens... X30 overpriced and overhyped me thinks.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Ocolon

Which hype?

Mar 28, 2015permalink

B&H's SONY NEX7 with zoom is $498 which is $1 cheaper than X30.

$499 for a X30 is full price, or FOOL price for whom bought it.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Mike its only a fool price if someone thinks its a fool price. Price a 28-112mm f/2-2.8 lens for the NEX7 and get back to us here.

Tick tock.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

ttran88

Since 28-112mm is full frame equivalent, f stop will be f8-11.2
FF equivalent.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Why bring the NEX-7 into this? It's been discontinued for 3 years, and that's only leftover stock. It held it's price quite well for an old camera, don't you think?

Mar 28, 2015permalink

ttran88, only for DOF. In terms of exposure, you're incorrect. Light passing through the aperture is f/2-2.8 equivalent. Exposure is exposure.

Considering the exceptional optical quality of this lens wide open, your also most likely to stop down any NEX zoom lens to get the same quality corner to corner- and even then you won't get it. Plus, you'll lose the DOF advantage.

Mar 28, 2015*permalink

for 499$ , the X30 is the best buy anyone can make today , taking into consideration the fast lens and the equivalent zoom range

Mar 28, 2015permalink

ttran88

@ cgarrad
pls read article in regards to equivalence http://www.dpreview.com/articles/2666934640/what-is-equivalence-and-why-should-i-care/2

Mar 28, 2015permalink

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx100/images/Equiv_Ap.png

FWIW: Per DPR's understand, this X30's "f stop will be f8-11.2FF equivalent" as ttran88 indicated.

Here is the DPR sample, and X30's lens is not only very SLOW but almost the *slowest* one in terms of LOW-LIGHT ability per DPR's chart below.

Other than VERY SLOW lens, X30's zoom is not wide enough in today's stand as seen in the chart below as well.

Read the TEXT under the chats to see what's it means.

Mar 28, 2015*permalink

mostlyboringphotog

FWIW, DPR is being stupid when calling f/2 lens slow because of the sensor size. A motorcycle is not going any slower than a car when both are going 60 mph. :-)

Mar 29, 2015permalink

Olymore

It is a F2 to F2.8 lens. But by the same token it is NOT a 28mm to 112mm lens.
If you change the focal length to FF equivalent you also have to change the aperture to FF equivalent which is F8 to F11.2.
Without getting into an equivalence discussion think about what F2 actually means. It means the effective aperture is half the focal length.
If you change the focal length then you have to change the aperture otherwise you're suggesting the effective aperture is bigger than it actually is.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

So I picked up an FE 28-70 lens for my NEX-7, it cost me under $200 and what's the point here?

Mar 30, 2015permalink

You want overpriced? Just look at the LX100, which is about $300 more. Sure, the sensor is bigger. But in other respects, they are not very different.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

This may truly be the best second-rate camera on the market!

Mar 28, 2015permalink

The best first-rate camera and the best-buy combination may be a few remaining Coolpix 'A's which are for sale at CAN $299 at a Canadian camera outlet. DX sensor, no AA filter.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

edmond canada

What is the outlet name, i keep browsing but cant find such great deal. I am very interested to get one from local Canadian store. Thanks.

Apr 2, 2015permalink

TheWhiteDog

Comparing the scores of the X30 to the X20 the latter camera scores far higher in IQ. In this review the author says IQ(especially in RAW) is the same. I presume the X30 is being judged to a higher standard as time has increased expectations. That is fine but somewhere it should be mentioned that using the comparison tool is not always valid. Or change the ratings of older cameras to reflect the new standards. As for the review I feel it is, for the most part,, quite accurate. Having both cameras I feel the improvements made in the X30 are very substantial to the usability of the camera(finally polarizers are truly useful) and I really love mine. But if there is to be an X40, IQ will have to be improved, hopefully the rest will stay the same. But at a retail price now below $500 there is a lot of bang for the buck here.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

Just a thought, for IQ to improve a new lens will need to be designed to handle a larger sensor.

Since Fuji designs its own sensors large in part, I wonder if something could be made by them right in the middle of the 1" sensor and 2/3" sized sensor- the 1/1.2" sized sensor may be a really good choice.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Remember, 2/3" is the same size as 1/1.5" sensors. So it's barely bigger than the G16 image sensor.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

I said 1/1.2, not 1/1.5.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

makofoto

I had the X-10 and 20 but instead of the 30 I jumped to the outstanding X-M1. I wonder why they didn't mention this obvious next step. Still very small but with their full size APS sensor. I feel pretty much covered with the 18 f2.0 and 18/55 zoom.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

photoreddi

Yes, the X-M1 is small with the 18mm attached. With the 18-55mm attached it's 44% heavier and almost twice as large as the X30, and the lens alone (on sale) costs $100 more that the X30, $599 vs. $499.

Then comparing lenses, the 18-55mm is 3x and its maximum aperture range is f/2.8-f/4. The X30 has a 4x lens and its maximum aperture range is f/2-f/2.8.

While the X-M1 is small, I wouldn't say that it's "very small" if you're comparing it with the X30. My X-A1 is about the same size as the X-M1 and with the 18-55mm lens attached it really gets *noticed* in places where the X30 wouldn't.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

JJ1983

Er... Size may be a factor.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Since 2012 I've been a confirmed Fuji X camera user, and never in 40 years of shooting have I had cameras I liked more than the lovely little X10 and X20 - not even my old Leicas and Contax Ts. (I've retired my big clunky DSLRs.)

I'm sure the X30 is an excellent camera, but I yearn for something better: an X100Z (the “Z” standing for zoom) with a lens equivalent to the one on my X20 (but of course configured for the larger X100 series sensor).

I yearn for the image quality and only slightly larger body (to say nothing of the amazing hybrid viewfinder) of the X100T, but without giving up the flexibility of the superb zoom lens on my X20. Will Fuji ever oblige, or am I only daydreaming?

To see photographs I’ve taken with the X10 and X20, go to my latest book, "Searching for Edward Hopper," at:
rpkphoto.smugmug.com/Books/Searching-for-Edward-Hopper. The 33 images from 2012 or later were made with these Fuji cameras.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

beckmarc

I could not have expressed it better. I too want a x100z

Mar 27, 2015permalink

Paul JM

There is an x100Z
It is called an XE2 with a zoom. The whole premise of having the x100 series is the fixed len, and compact size. Fuji have a number of options for bodies with the same sensor and zoom lens options.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Not quite Paul. It's all about having a fixed lens, better grip, and hybrid optical finder. I know exactly what Rodger is saying- and I can't disagree.

I bet Rodger likes the Digilux 2 and LC1 too, both have the size Rodger is looking for, and fixed bright lens. Something along those lines in size...

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Sean65

Great shots Rodger. Thanks for sharing. That's what it's all about. Great project idea. I agree with the notion of a 100z.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Harold66

Hi Rodger. This shows how different requirements people have for the X10 as there is no doubt that the X10 was the absolute worst digital camera I have ever used. Actually both the X10 and the X100 had many, many bugs originally. A large portion of them has been adressed in the third generation of these 2 models but in addition to be a bit " too little, too late" , I find the Fuji interface not too intuitive if you are also using another platform in addition to the Fuji.Harold

Mar 29, 2015*permalink

SmilerGrogan

Your troubles with white balance are interesting. Did you have a color temp meter with you to see what the actual color temp of the sky was when you were shooting?

As the lore and legend has it, 5400K was determined to be the color of daylight by recording the color temp of the sun at noon in Washington, DC every day between the summer and winter solstices and then averaging it.

In other words, if you were shooting the Fuji at higher elevations or latitudes or at a different time of year, then it is only natural that a Daylight white balance will be off. Or am I missing the nuances?

Mar 27, 2015permalink

Are you seriously asking dpr if they know white balance temperature settings? Wow.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

M H S

At least it looks good... Lol.

DPR staff showing their true colors.. Admiring style over substance. Explains a lot of what I see here.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

PedroMZ

Unfair. DPR makes it clear that if you want ultimate resolution and better high ISO performance,look elsewhere. But it handles beautifully and is small/discrete . Fantastic EVF. As a "Street" camera would suit many people. How many enlargements to A2 do you look at from 6 inches away?

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Daniel Leitman

using EVF instead OVF is a little bit step back for me . OVF with manual zooming ability was major points to bouy fuji X** line. we have better sensors on market also better lenses and for few months good usable evf compacts ... same lens and same sensor as X20 without that (for me) great OVF with info panel ... it is step up or drawback ?

Mar 27, 2015permalink

Basically your phone with an EVF, for those without a phone....

Mar 27, 2015permalink

Basically, you're completely mad or you have a very good sense of humor. I'm betting on the first.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

There are phones (smartphones) that have larger sensors than the X30 and there are phones with smaller sensor like the Iphone6.. But IQ must be pretty similar so for those who already carry a phone all day long why carry the X30? Why not the RX100 series or the LX100 or the G7x? Any one of these are much better at image capturing and video recording than the X30.

So clearly this is a camera for those without a phone.

Mar 28, 2015*permalink

How are the zoom, optical viewfinder, direct controls and ergonomics on those phones? To be fair, there's a Samsung with a zoom, but its image quality is notoriously bad. The point is, it's ok if this is not for you, but there's a place for it depending on what priorities people have.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

I agree there is a place for this cam. I clearly stated it.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

You stated that there is a place for it for those who do not have a phone, which is to say that you stated that there is no place for it.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Sorry but there are millions of people in the world that don't have smartphones. Just check the World Bank data.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Are you a very, very dim bulb or just trolling? Those are just the people who can, of course, afford a premium compact camera.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

But of course, this cam is cheaper than a smartphone. Misolo it seems to me that 1. You don't understand plain English. 2. You must be a child without any education on world matters. 3. You are living on an island or some sort bubble totally unaware of what is going on regarding the fate of point and shot cameras.

BTW have your last word here im not going to waste more time with a child.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

Repeated

Mar 29, 2015*permalink

On account of my work, I travel a lot in the Middle East, Asia and Africa. These days, to find someone who doesn't have a camera-phone you have to go to deeply rural areas of abject poverty. The models in those markets are mostly chinese brands you never heard of plus cheap Nokias, but still with half-decent cameras. Sorry, can't stop laughing that there's someone with simultaneously no clue about any of this and so much arrogance about it.

Mar 29, 2015*permalink

km25

X40 with improved processor, it is coming in the X-pro 2/XT-2. It will be able to handle 4k movies and/or better over all quialty. The only thing holding all this back is why just go to XZ 100, an X100T with the new processor and a zoom lens. Or make both. A one inch and a zoom on the X100T. Just think 4K in a Fuji!

Mar 27, 2015permalink

Fujifilm not Fuji.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

I think the X30 is easy to dismiss if ...

A. You haven't used it
B. You tend to believe whatever is popular on forums at a given time...
C. You don't want to use it

Otherwise, the crowd that..

A. Have used it
B. Believe experience vs forum popularity
C. Want to use it

... Have a much different opinion of the X30! :)

Carl

Mar 27, 2015permalink

AbrasiveReducer

Had the X10 and X20. Both fun to use. Nice ergonomics. Plenty of exposure options (too many, but better than too few.) Loved the manual zoom. Extremely nice looking camera for a reasonable price. Relatively compact. Image quality was the only drawback.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

mario GTI

Yes, your phone with an EVF, plus optical zoom, some nice buttons and dials and nicer handling. On top of that usually cleaner lens... :)

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Phone with an evf, what are you talking about Mario? Don't tell me you're saying its as good as a smart phone with an evf... please dont let it be that.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

mario GTI

LOL , I was replying to lacikus post, see above. Just being lil sarcastic here. I had X30 and X20. X30 is a nice camera, loved the controls and build quality. And yes, IQ is better than my iPhone 6.... ;)

Mar 28, 2015*permalink

Ah ok, so the post is in the wrong place :). Yes maybe I ought to reply to his post too. :)

Mar 28, 2015permalink

I still own the X10, though seldom use it now. The image quality does drop quickly with the light. However, with ok light, there is something really lovely about the colors and the texture of noise -- very "film-like", if you'll forgive the cliche. The main reason I stopped using it was the frustration of not knowing where it was focusing when looking through the optical viewfinder (having to either trust the camera or guess where the center point is).

Mar 29, 2015permalink

X10- different camera w/different sensor (and many were flawed). The X30 is a much more refined and wonderful camera to use- I've used both.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

My X10 never had the "white orb" problem (which was probably overblown anyway). I do understand the X30 is a different creature altogether, though I've never used it. For me, without an optical viewfinder and with a somewhat more standard sensor (no longer the crazy diagonal pixels...) I no longer have a differentiating reason to get this over my GX7 and GM1 plus pancake zoom and primes. But I can certainly see the appeal.

Mar 30, 2015permalink

jonby

I agree with the others who suggest that this camera really needs a 1" sensor. Many will value the photographer-oriented control ethos and viewfinder, but most of these people will want image quality which is a little better than this. No doubt including a 1" sensor would require a slightly bigger lens and/or drop in max aperture, but I think most would take this to get the better IQ.

I think this is the only fixed-lens digital to incorporate a manual zoom ring (unless I'm missing one?) - a unique selling point which seems a little under-reported in this review. This is a feature which I value highly as I find motor-driven zooms unresponsive, power-hungry and prone to failure. Put the bigger sensor in it and it becomes a viable DSLR backup/lightweight substitute - I'd take it over the LX100 because of the manual zoom.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

cinemascope

+1... I was set on getting the LX100 until I tried it in store and the power zoom just spoiled the whole "experience" for me...

Mar 27, 2015permalink

I had the LX100 for a few weeks and loved everything about it except the zoom. It had to go and now I'm back to my trusty old XF1 which would be almost the perfect take-anywhere camera for me if it had a built-in EVF. No need for a low light monster as that's when the X-T1 comes out to play.

Apr 15, 2015permalink

LEGACYMOMENTSPHOTOGRAPHY

Is this the new layout for reviews? ive never seen it before.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

mxx

Your username scared me a bit.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

LEGACYMOMENTSPHOTOGRAPHY

WHY????

Apr 3, 2015permalink

toml99

I've owned SLR's and DSLR's since the 1970's, and there is still something foreign to me about holding a camera away from me and staring at an LCD screeen to take a photo. I've also had a number of "second" cameras, that are smaller, and easier to take on a trip, etc. -- most of them have been the Canon G series (currently a G11), with their obvious OVF flaws, but at least they had OVF's. I got excited about the X30 and bought one and love it. It's a wonderful little camera, the EVF is fantastic, image quality is excellent, and all of the controls and specs I would want are present in this camera. A smaller body would have been too small for my large hands, and a larger body would have been too big to fit into a coat pocket.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

chris_j_l

Seems a reasonable assessment by DPR - and I actually own this beast.

It does what it does beautifully, but given the Gold/Silver/Score is relative and it is showing some elements of having missed if not a whole boat, but perhaps a raft or two in some features that to score it against the best that H2 2014 had to offer in compacts is more than reasonable.

I'll still have immense fun with it as my photography doesn't demand razor resolution and DR to capture sunspots and shadow in the same frame.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

prossi

Right. The shutter is pressed the diaphragm opens and closes. Signal is recorded on a memory. 5/10 is never been more beautiful.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

Sean65

If you're just sharing pictures online or maybe printing smaller photo books then this would be a great camera. My wife had the XF1 for a while and I'm still struck by how nice some of the images look when i'm going through the archives.

Just shoot jpeg and select an film sim' of choice and off you go.

WAY too many people take photography and cameras too seriously

Mar 27, 2015permalink

No. You mean lots of people that post on here take their photo hobby too seriously. Most people that take photos don't take it seriously. They use the iPhones for all their photos.

Mar 29, 2015permalink

WAY too many people take the spec sheet too seriously, most of these same people don't take the other 99% of what makes a beautiful image seriously enough and specs give them something to blame for their own shortcomings.

BTW people who use their iPhones for ALL their photos don't even think about making an image, they just snap so they can show someone else. I say ALL their photos because I know people who use their phones to make an image when their cameras are home and for what it's worth it's better than not capturing an image at all.

Apr 15, 2015permalink

mosc

I would like to see this sensor behind a reasonably bright superzoom. I think it could really do some wonderful telephoto work in the 500mm f6 neighborhood in a size that would still be very compact.

The LX100 is everything that the X30 wants to be with 3x the sensor. It's zoom range is a little less but it has more manual controls

From the shape of this lens it seems like the x40 could just be increased in all dimensinos to cover a 1" sensor with little change in the overall package. In front of a modern 1" sensor with the combination of aperture and zoom range that it would offer that may be a winner for Fuji (though the g7x is 1" 100mmeq f2.8 so it's not that much longer).

Mar 27, 2015permalink

prossi

get an rx10

Mar 27, 2015permalink

NetMage

Another customer for the XS-2 if Fuji ever makes it?

Mar 27, 2015permalink

grasscatcher

Sounds like this would be a great camera if it instead had Sony's 20mp 1" sensor, yet still retained those great Fuji colors.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

prossi

Yep! Its like adding butter to all your food. Not healthy but yummy yum yum.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

Peiasdf

I like adding bacon and a side of fries.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

white shadow

..... and don't forget a few pints of German beer.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

Tripeiro

I am sure this camera is a joy to use and offers good image quality if the limitations of its small sensor are taken into account. But not at 550€ in 2015. There is nothing remarkable about the camera that justifies the premium price. The sensor is small and the lens although nice, has pedestrian specs considering the size of the sensor and of the camera. If you look at the Olympus Stylus 1, the small sensor is perfectly justified by the impressive lens on a camera that size. It is a very good compromise for many people. The X30 has good ergonomics and a good EVF, but that is not good enough to warrant what Fuji is asking for it. At 400€ I would take a look at it.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

white shadow

The Oly Stylus 1 is difinitely a better choice than the X30. Its longer constant f/2.8 zoom is very versatile and useful for street photography. It is easy to choose it over the X30.

Mar 28, 2015*permalink

mpgxsvcd

I am going to blame Allison Johnson for everything from now on because she told us to.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

Allison Johnson

Well that's not exaaaactly what I said...

Mar 27, 2015permalink

mpgxsvcd

Just joking of course. Thank you for all of your efforts here.

Mar 27, 2015*permalink

Ben O Connor

There are two deals;

- Make something new.
- Make the something old smaller.

But in X30

- They "fake" something new!
- They made something old "Bigger!" :)

Mar 27, 2015permalink

mpgxsvcd

For clarity: This did not receive an award at all(No Gold or Silver), right? I see the score for the camera now but I wanted to make sure its award was not omitted accidentally like the score was omitted by accident originally.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

Allison Johnson

Correct, no award.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

piratejabez

I feel like a bronze award would be justified...

Mar 28, 2015permalink

JEROME NOLAS

Too big and "fat" to my taste.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

white shadow

You are not alone especially for a small sensor "compact". I thought my 5 years old G12 is big.

Mar 28, 2015permalink

I don't understand this camera. It is larger and heavier than an E-pl7 with the Panny 20mm f/1.7 lens. The sensor isn't as good and it doesn't cost much less.

What is the point?

tedolph

Mar 27, 2015permalink

DDWD10

Ergonomics and control schemes matter more to some people than outright IQ.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

Martian Keyboard

The X30 has abundant advantages over the E-PL7.
Such as: Faster autofocus (Phase detection vs Contrast detection) so it catches candid moments easily.
It has better image stabilization: Lens vs Oly Sensor shift
The X30 CMOS sensor not the livemos offered on E-PL7
CMOS sensors often produce better quality images.

The X30 Shoots faster 12 fps vs 8 fps
Also it has built-in flash, for those shots inside at a party or restaurant.
The battery is real good with about 30% Longer battery life
The X30 has a viewfinder.
The X30 fits in your pocket way better as its volume is quite a bit less.
With the E-PL7, y'our stuck with no zoom if you use the f/1.7

X30 is a bit cheaper too, with less sales tax to boot.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

Help me understand. Why are the ergonomics and control schemes better on an X-30 than an E-pl7?

I am just using that camera as an example. I could have picked other of that genre.

TEdolph

Tedolph

Mar 27, 2015permalink

mosc

I think one of the main reasons that pairing isn't appealing to me is because although there are m43 fast pancakes around, they're not wide enough. If they had a 12mm f2.0 that was the same size that'd be a different story. The olympus 12mm f2.0 is a) $700 and b) 43mm long.

Still, the LX100 offers essentially that at the wide end with a zoom so I'm still not seeing a reason to have an ILC if you want compact.

Mar 27, 2015*permalink

AlexisH

Some people like a high-end zoom compact that provides the style and shooting experience of this camera.

The E-PL7 with the 20mm lens is a great combo, but it's just a combo with a fixed lens and without a viewfinder, so it 's a totally different proposal.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

@mosc. The reason to have an ILC is because it is an ILC. There are smaller m4/3 cameras than the E-pl7, much smaller.

GM-5

Tedolph

Mar 27, 2015permalink

Tedolph- maybe if you used it your questions would be answered. Most of the time experience is a much more valuable teacher than forums.

Mar 27, 2015permalink

You gonna loan me one?

Acutally my question should have been more generic. I am having a hard time understanding the high end point-n-shoot market in general when some m4/3 cameras are so small even with kit lenses attached. It doesn't seem to me that cameras like the X-30 have any real advantages, and a major disadvantage, the fixed lens.

Now, cameras like the X-30 have leaf shutters so I expect that they re quieter and have higher flash sync. speeds but other than that I am not seeing it.

TEdolph

tedolph

Mar 27, 2015permalink