Canon EOS R5 review

If you don't need 4K/60 or any higher recording mode, then the R5 has no overheating limits whatsoever.

But I will grant you that the D850 is a fine camera, at a great price these days.

@BrexitDefCom3
all cameras have up and downs. The D850 is a fine camera, but a really rudimental VIDEO AF. That alone is a dealbreaker for my style as hybrid shooter. Note that once you see 4K/120 is really hard to go back to 4K/30 only.

OK, got the BG-R10, the EF-R adapter, 1 CF ex, and one extra LP-E6(NH). This separate battery, after a full initial charge (green led lit), showed initially only 81% capacity. Weird, second time it seems it charged correctly.
BG-R10 grip: new connector type, positioning worrisome.
AF: able to lock on the eye of our crazy budgie while in some sort of erratic flight. So all good here, as advertised - think about the size of the bird.
EF-S lenses: this is just funny experimentation, but all seem to work pretty well.
Low light photography: as advertised (and reviewed), nothing significant until ISO 12k; even so, visible improvement vs 5D IV.
Wi-Fi transfer via EOS utility: first attempt (5 GHz) unsuccessful, both camera and computer freeze after the transfer of few pictures; second attempt: successful.
Sensor “cleanliness”: I’m not sure if you test this on the new cameras, but I do, and this one was 100% clean; no factory “surprises” when tested with a macro lens @f/16 and beyond. TBC...

OK. Found one very important differentiator vs 1D-X III, and the same bad habits vs the “1” series cameras: no spot meter linked AF point... come on Canon, this is, at least in my eyes, a real downside! TBC...

Seems to be working out for them.... 👍

I use my phone to track my GPS location and it's 10 times better and it does not consume the battery life on my R5. which is a perfect combination.

If you were a war correspondent, I could understand this. I have taken my camera to my share of countries, and never bother turning GPS, except when needed for astrophotography. How important is it to know exactly what two-horse town you were in while reviewing photos? Yes, nice to have. But it seems a weird dealbreaker to me.

@Stakeouttoo: First, how many ILC's have built in GPS? I don't know of many.

You could get a Canon 1dx III or Nikon D6 if that is very important to you.

Second, I don't mean to be flippant, but if you have images of Rome, Athens, Paris...don't you kind of know where those images were taken?

@Stakeouttoo, you can't claim a camera is unfinished because you didn't get your beloved GPS feature.

It is finished, yet someone decided to not include GPS. I'm sure the people at canon looked at their data and decided that they weren't going to include GPS for any number of reasons. I'm sure it was related to market demand for GPS, cost of including GPS in the camera, technical issues including GPS in the camera, final shipping cost of the camera, and other things like that. I'm sure they would like to put it in, but they had to make hard decisions and decide on which features to include or not.

Since it bothers you so much, I would suggest that you buy a GPS enabled camera, and forget about the R5. The R5 isn't for everyone.

Can either of you read? The D850 scored 89.

.https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d850/6

My mistake !I saw last night this post https://www.dpreview.com/news/3416960241/nikon-d850-is-the-best-camera-dxomark-has-ever-tested-first-to-hit-score-of-100#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20it's%20the%20first,number%201%20and%203%20spots. But i have not seen that is Dxo mark rating's...However i tought d850 and R5 have much higher score as thei are high end cameras.

LBS + Wes,

Thanks for the clarification, and you both have my apologies for my intemperate response.

A photo taken at native iso +6 is usable on Sony, but not on Canon because it looks horrible with loss of color and contrast. It is not an iso invariant sensor. The dpreview tests are conclusive, although they have improved a lot, are they still below what a backlit sensor with iso invariant offers or do we wait for how it is beaten in Dxomark?

In time, competing cameras will come out and Canon may be forced to lower the R5 price. We are all in different situations, but with the quarantine limiting my photography, I can delay any new body purchase for another year or so. If the R5 doesnt come down in price, there will likely be reasonable alternatives around in a year.

@No Outlet, actually it is the Z6 because I do a little of video and, then again, it is more than enough.
Entry level????

@madeinlisboa. Very often entry level is taken to mean a camera for novices which is wrong IMHO . If you think of entry level as meaning entry into a system then it may make more sense no?

Kandid your check from canon came on time?? Still shilling for them here.

@zxaar
SO predictable, so weak..............👎

@plasnu
are you basing your comment on the jpg posted images or you actually downloaded the Raw files and looked at these?

Plasnu - you must be smoking something man... File quality (raw AND jpg) is just mind boggling - dream on Sony fans...

I would agree that the jpg in the posted gallery lack some level of sharpness probably because of aggressive post-processing. However the RAW files out of my R5 are spectacular. I would argue they look sharper than my A7RIII.

@plasnu: Please put that pipe down, don’t score for a couple of days and then get back to us.

@armandino - "the RAW files out of my R5 are spectacular. I would argue they look sharper than my A7RIII."

assuming that you used the same raw processor in both cases, it's because canon raws are heavily processed in-camera, as proven by canon using noise reduction to create fake d.r. on 1dxm3, r5, and r6.

i'd much rather have full control over n.r. and sharpness in post, rather than let canon do it in-camera... the overprocessed r5 jpgs that plasnu pointed out are a good example of what happens when canon does it.

Plasnu thinks shooting Sony and making green skin tones look normal is an important part of the creative process.

“ canon raws are heavily processed ”

I saw Bill Cliff and the creators of RAW Digger address this.

The all said Canon RAW files are not heavily processed and they could find no negative effects from what Canon was doing. One went so far to say it isn’t NR.
And they all agreed all manufacturers use NR in their RAW files at various ISOs.

So going by what the experts say, the people who know RAW files best, the R5 has the highest PDR of any FF camera, and what ever Canon is doing has no noticeable affect they they could find.
That sounds good to me. I wish Sony would try this with the A9 because it is a full stop lower and not quite as good as some APSC cameras. Maybe they could fix this.

@plasnu, it can't even come close to the "sony star eater" (google that) issue.

@Jerome: the new sensor from Canon looks great, DR is at least as good as the A7r3:
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%20R5,Sony%20ILCE-7RM3

That makes my point stronger. Thank you. So @dpreview, why is the a9II a better value in your review?

Its a great question. The R5 does everything the A9ii does, and a heck of a lot more with near double the pixels. The R5 MSRP is $600 less.
One can argue there are rare cases where the A9ii 20 FPS mode is better, but they can also argue the R5 12 FPS mechanical shutter is better than the 10 FPS with the A9ii so all that evens out.
If you want to shoot detailed landscapes with the A9ii you should get another camera. If you want to shoot the best video you need another camera. If you want the highest DR you need another camera. Honestly it is a poor value, It does 1 thing well, but that is it.

@Onteo - "What makes the a9II a better value camera?"

-stacked sensor vs. no stacked sensor on r5 is the #1 reason
-r5 electronic shutter not usable for freezing action(see above)
-r5 must use frame duplication in the evf, due to the slow sensor readout(see above)
-a9ii has real-time evf display, it's much better
-a9ii has hi-frequency flicker reduction, no canon camera has that
-r5 overheating meltdown = r5 not usable for professional applications
-r5 e.s. only shoots at 20fps setting, can't use slower framerates
-r5 does not support older canon lenses at even 12fps, per the manual
-sony rates lenses by 15-20fps af-c: http://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/support/ilc/products/ilce9/continuousshooting/en/index.html?id=spt
-far better native lens lineup with e-mount
-sony open mount vs. canon closed mount = few 3rd-party rf-mount lenses
-sony uses bsi sensors, canon doesn't, so canon has to use n.r. to pump up fake d.r.

etc

Some of your points are simply wrong.

That does not seem to be the case. Considering 12fps*45MP with mechanical shutter being 540MP/s I would say it is not a slow sensor readout.

Your argument about better lens lineup is debatable, EF lens lineup just seems to work wonders and Canon is working pretty hard in the RF lineup too. The evf seems to be better in the R5 than in the Sony if we follow dpreview's advice. Then the display is marked as sub standard for the a9II, while the R5's is top notch. Details you omit.

Can the A9II's BSI sensor do 45MP high DR images at 12 fps? No
Can it do 8K even if it is one second? No
Is it great for Landscape? Resolution, no, DR neither.

The ISO on the A9II is better than the R5's, that's true, and I like that. The battery lasts longer on the A9II (that is a big thing for me, coming from DSLR)

But going back to value, I don't see the A9II being better at that than the r5 and by a good bit.

Stacked sensor is more often a problem. It appears to limit max DR and it has a lot less resolution. and it costs A LOT more to manufacture.
Not having a stacked sensor will more often be a benefit when shooting everything from portraits to landscapes to wildlife where more resolution and max DR are critical.

But I guess Sony fans have to make up fake stuff to justify paying $4500 for an entry level resolution camera with low dynamic range.
Honestly the A7iii outperforms the A9ii in most cases.
I do find it funny the Sony fans are still patrolling these comments (about a different manufacture) even after a week.

@MILC...
Keep paddling that sinking canoe....waters getting deeper, crocs are circling, credibility toast 🐊🐊

@Onteo - "12fps*45MP with mechanical shutter being 540MP/s I would say it is not a slow sensor readout"

nobody cares about the mechanical shutter at 45mp, if that was the basis the a7riv at 61mp moves 610MP/s, according to your math.

@Onteo - "Your argument about better lens lineup is debatable, EF lens"

old ef lens designs are not as good as modern milc designs, that's why they aren't comparable... canon added pins to rf-mount in order to increase the performance, ef mount lenses do not have that.

unfortunately canon still doesn't have any linear voice coil af motors that i'm aware of, they are behind the lens technology of several milc companies in that respect.

@Onteo - "Can the A9II's BSI sensor do 45MP high DR images at 12 fps?"

the a7riv can do 61mp with a bsi sensor, and it doesn't use n.r. to pump up fake d.r. like all canon cameras do.

the r5 generates a lot of waste heat because it uses primitive chip designs.... overheating, fake d.r., poor battery life, etc.

Probably because A9II was compared with 1DXIII while R5 was compared with A7R3 and A7R4.
You can also say the Canon R5 is of better value than 1DXIII.
Professional sports cameras should not be compared with enthusiast cameras when it comes to value.

MilcMan - Have you even used the R5/6? Or are you just judging based on what you see from the internet?

I’ve been with Sony and Canon for years. Yes I was one to jump ship from Canon to Sony because of Sony’s great sensor technology in a mirrorless body.

I came back to Canon for the R6 and I can easily say, I won’t be going back to Sony. Canon nailed it with the sensors.

You can call it fake DR, but in the real world, it’s excellent! Excellent colors with excellent DR. Sony I always had to build a hundred profiles and still hated the colors and tones.

Sony makes great cameras, but their colors are not great.

@RyanBoston
Milcman is a long term resident of these forums screaming the Sony message - which is fine - however this often descends into other brand denigration (particularly Canon - the R5/6 have given him severe indigestion 😁) and promoting half truths as gospel. His post above is a classic - no one cares what specific tech a sensor has (BSI - 😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣) how it performs is what matters. ‘Frame duplication’, ‘overheating meltdown’ etc - a grain of truth distorted to make a ridiculous partisan point. All those gold ratings and endorsements for the R5/6 are the facts however - and the cause of his desperate bellyaching 😁😁😁😁.....

@RyanBoston - "Canon nailed it with the sensors. You can call it fake DR"

ask yourself, if using n.r. to gin up fake d.r. is such a good idea, why don't nikon/sony/panasonic/etc. do it?

when has canon ever made a bsi sensor? why do other companies spend more on bsi?

@RyanBoston - "I’ve been with Sony and Canon for years"

that's a bit strange, given that you don't have any post history on sony forums, all i see is canon and fuji :-0

@RyanBoston - "Sony makes great cameras, but their colors are not great"

raw files don't have any color, but if no color was such a big problem for you, when did you ever post on a dpr sony forum, and ask for help with it?

See what I mean.......🙄

MilcMan I’m not sure why you have a hard time understanding different cameras. Oh ya, you have never used the R5/6. You are stuck with Sony and that’s fine. Just don’t make judgements on a camera you have not used or will ever use.

Why would I ask people on the Sony group about color. I know how to build my own color DNG profiles.

Sony also has awful ergonomics. Canon pays attention to ergonomics.

I switched to Sony years ago for mirrorless and sensor technology. Canon now has that great technology. Only thing Sony has better is battery.

Why is Sony struggling lately with their cameras? Why is Canon selling so many R5/6’s?

At the end of the day they are just tools. I can give advice because I have more knowledge across the brands. You give knowledge based only on one brand. You go out of your way bashing a brand you haven’t used, yet you want people to believe you.

I saw people showing you reports of Sony cameras freezing.
For some it was a real problem.
I wonder why you don’t mention that when you keep repeating this.

And how many times have you posted your arbitrary numbers here? 5 or 6 times??? Sure looks like trolling.

@MILC man, I'm not making a comment on the R5 locking up or not. BUT... what a joke!!!!!!!!!

I don't think it takes a statistician to figure out that the referenced survey doesn't have a large enough sample size to be taken seriously.

36 people participated in the survey you link to and the results you list. It would only take a few logins to skew the results. Do you have a login?

@MILC...
Freezing, heating - there is no pleasing you guys....🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂

Kona Mike, 35 of the respondents were MILC and his pals.

@MILC man: You’re really not a Canon fan are you?

If it wasn’t for the pandemic and Canon had expected a higher number of preorders and had access to full production capacity, they would’ve been over 40% before the end of Q1 2021.

I see that Canon has again added two "new" members.

"I see that Canon has again added two "new" members."

Canon is spending good money here. They are very persistent.

Shadow recovery to my eyes watching Exposure Latitude Scene is the same,and the Dynamic range it is more than D850 by very little.But we are spliting hairs...the reality i think is that R5,d850,A7r4 all are great cameras and all gives identical results...those little,very little difference are impossible to see it in real world photos,trust me !Check PhothonsToPhotos
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%20R5,Nikon%20D850,Sony%20ILCE-7RM3,Sony%20ILCE-7RM4

You may be in for a surprise if you check https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Canon%20EOS%20R5,Nikon%20D850,Sony%20ILCE-7M3,Sony%20ILCE-7RM3

Also, on ISO invariance: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr134_0=canon_eosr5&attr134_1=sony_a7riii&attr134_2=nikon_d850&attr134_3=sony_a7iii&attr136_0=1&attr136_1=1&attr136_2=1&attr136_3=1&attr176_0=efc&attr176_1=efc&attr176_2=efc&attr176_3=efc&normalization=full&widget=783&x=-0.119375152830571&y=-0.9912247305712782

Spoiler alert: DPReview assesment is correct

I have downloaded the RAW files from Iso invariance scene and R5 at 6 stops is alot cleaner than d850...check you self...

https://we.tl/t-aaEOwQYF43

Dpreview does not show the reality in their online Iso invariance scene,because they are applying level of brigtness to match cameras difference in the exposure...So go download booth Raw files,open them in camera raw and you will see that i am right :) Every camera is different at iso100,it has difference in the exposure...even cameras from the same brand !

@Cosminel, your first link, when I add the EOS RP to the graph, it has the highest graph line, the R5 has the lowest and the Nikon and Sony are in the middle. Is higher better or worse??

I would personally choose the S1H over the R5 if looking for a hybrid. 8K video is of little practical use to me, especially in this camera. I would need reliable video at HQ and full size HDMI port, and dual cards that allow simultaneous video recording to both cards. R5 is a poor choice for video creators like myself.
There are plenty of great cameras out there; we are spoilt for choice.

One very unique aspect of this camera is that it is the first MILC to combine high resolution with such great and high speed AF. In essence it can substitute for both the Sony a7R4 and the a9II, as the OP points out.

Then add in some of the higher quality video modes and you have something even more unique. Sure, the higher quality video modes have some limitations but at least they are still there, and for those who want short clips there are no problems.

The R5 has established itself in the mirrorless world right now as the most complete all-around camera. Then there are the fabulous RF lenses which are other reason to own the system.

This +6 test is just useless. I do t understand why some poeple want to discuss that.

Anyone underexposing his shot with 6ev has a serious problem as a photographer.

New slogan:
‘Zed as in bed - not zee as in pee’
Could be a winner.........🙃

I am using all EF lenses on the R5, I tried and compared my old EF 24-105 with the RF version. I am pretty sure the RF is optically better, but the EF has a smoother zoom for filming and honestly I prefer the look and feel of the EF glass. Did not notice much of a difference in AF performance. The adapter is very well built, it has no slop and it feels as integral with the lens. I received my R5 early October, I pre-ordered on announcement day early July via The Camera Store.

Not sure I would want a used R5, no telling what damage has been caused by people hacking the overheating warning.

Yes, you can work around the current implementation's limitation. But I can still think of far more powerful functionality. Why I want priorities? Simply because depending on the situation, I might want so sacrifice shutter speed first, then depth of field, and so on. The camera could control it all at once with several such presets.

Yeah, it is the same auto-ISO/minimum shutter implementation that has been on Canon cameras for years now. It would be so much better if you could select any value for minimum shutter and better yet have that adjustable with a dial.

Nikon has used 1/3 stop increments for years also. It is purely a simple software option and makes Canon look like its made for children comparatively when they force full stop increments. Pathetic really.

I use the auto min/max iso/shutter/aperture function all the time and it is really irritating Canon cant give us 1/3 stop options.

I wish DPR would put a little complaint about this in their reviews. Canon might actually respond.

bionet - Don't forget also that the R5 has "Flexible priority" which means you can set the shutter speed and/or aperture and the camera will set the auto ISO within whatever constraints you set. It's the most flexible exposure mode of any camera.

I joined on Friday Aug 14th when I ordered my R5, not 9 days ago.
I saw the article on the R5 this morning so I made a quick comment. I would have commented earlier but I don't patrol web sites unlike people like you.

@RubberDias - Dark, cold and rainy mornings, and you still think this is august? Schoolboy forum error.

The mods need to give RD a vacation again. He continues to break forum rules and can’t even get his facts straight.
These comments were mostly civil until he showed back up.

@No Outlet/Andy David

Thanks for confirming what I already knew.

I've never been banned in all the twelve years I've been here, so the mods can't give me a vacation 'again'. They can however give you another vacation on this month old account, and a few of your others.

I've done better, sold all Sony gear for the Canon EOS RP.

The R5 does not exists? Wow. Canon is doing paranormal activity.

Look at any comments section. Mostly good discussion about products.
Look at Rubber Dials history. Mostly lies, brand bashing and personal attacks and nothing about the articles.
This comments section was fine until he showed up.
Here he lied about the age of someone’s account just bash them.
Don’t believe a word he says. He keeps getting caught lying. He needs a longer vacation this time.

Andy, There are a good number who agree with you. This is from someone earlier. Agree 100%

“For my neeeds its the best digital camera ever made. Better then both a7r4 and a9 mark 2 and those are 2 different cameas Wittch makes the r5 even more impressive.”

The feel, size and grip of the R5 are just superb. So far for me Canon makes the FF mirrorless bodies that feel the best in my hands. They have nailed the ergonomics.

And yes, the R5 combines the best of the Sony a9II and a7r4 in one camera: super fast and intelligent AF with high resolution. That's been the holy grail for many years and Canon got there first. Other cameras from other brands will come, but only because Canon forced the issue and delivered.

I actually prefer the RP in my hands maybe because I am used to smaller bodies like Sony.

@Thoughts R Us
I would tweak your sentence to "the R5 attempts to combine the best of the Sony a9II and a7r4 in one camera" partially succeeding at it.
The R5 is a great camera and it can handle action photography fairly well but it is no nearly as good as the A9. I will give you a simple example from my other day shoot. It was golfing: the shutter/EVF lag made it difficult catching consistently the right moment when swinging the club. The outcome was unreliable and you cannot use the 20fps because of rolling shutter. These are easy shots with the A9, hit and miss (honestly it was mostly a miss) with the R5. As a fact, I think I would have had better success with a 5DIV or the A7RIV.

I just saw an A9ii image with rolling shutter. A golf swing too.
I’d use the 12 FPS my self for better image quality and no rolling shutter.
Extremely easy to get the shot at 12 FPS.

The A9ii with mechanical shutter is slower and still has poor DR at base ISO. And with only entry level 24MP like many sub $2000 that have as much detail and better DR.
Try cropping an A9ii image. You end up with worse than smartphone resolution. It’s just an outdated over priced camera.

@No outlet, you wrote, “ I just saw an A9ii image with rolling shutter. A golf swing too.”

Can you share us the link?

No one is saying A9 has 0 rolling shutter. It will be minimal in A9 compared to R5. This is based on the sensor readout speed and the multitude of sports photos taken with the A9. Do you have evidence to show rolling shutter using ES is more in A9 than R5?

Here is a post comparing the rollling shutter of A9 and R5 with the fan set to high speed. https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64320737. A9 (top blade) and R5 both show rolling shutter but it’s a bit worse with the R5 compared to the A9.

So if you're going spend $3900 on a new camera, you might consider saving more to buy a $10,000 camera? Yeah, thanks, but no thanks. With $10,000, I got the R5 plus most of the lenses I need.

Try selling any Fuji GFX camera and you will get a nasty surprise...

The GFX100 is an amazing camera but has nothing to do with an R5. Apples vs oranges. If someone is undecided between them I think is a clueless amateur with deep pockets.

My eyeballs mop the floor with the stupid GFX100. The dynamic range my brain captures makes the GFX100 look like the original Gameboy.

So if you want great quality, save some more money, skip the GFX100, and buy my eyeballs.

Design and ergonomics are very good, I have the R6 so I can tell one or two things about those cameras. Have a nice day.

Heh....it's a great camera but I will admit it's my least favorite looking one. Nikon definitely wins the looks but it's missing things as a class leading hybrid.

What is wrong with "copying" the best ergonomics?

I'm not looking at it when it is in my hand. The ergonomics are superb. Besides, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

It’s really sexy to me.

Kudos to Canon that they never tried to come up with any retro design but sticking with pure functional design... like what Dieter Rams did for Braun some decades ago.

I had always hoped that when Canon released their mirrorless cameras, to keep it exactly like their DSLR but flatten a bit...and my dreams came true. Why ruin something great. I think it looks hella sexy. lol.

@vegetaleb
I guess you are a fan of the Z with the EVF sticking out like a sore thumb.

R5 has the most attractive styling of any camera on the market, to my eyes at least. And Canon ergos are always the best. Not perfect, but definitely the best - very comfortable to hold, never gets "in the way", simplicity to operate, so it feels like an extension of your own hands.

Nikon Z has good ergos, but the styling looks kinda weird - like they've glued the EVF on as an afterthought.

Sony, er hum.

armandido - I much prefer a tilting screen and really wish Canon would dump the FA screen and replace it with an XT3 or S1 type screen that works equally well for stills and video shooters.

Canon isn't missing a fourth dial in any real sense. Two dials on the top plate of your R5, one thumbwheel dial on the back, and a control ring around the RF lenses (and on the EF "control ring adaptor"). That makes a total of 4. All customisable. That gives you separate dials for shutter, aperture, ISO and compensation. How is that different from Sony?

When not shooting with the R5, I leave it on my desk and stare admiringly at it. I love the look.

@entoman "I much prefer a tilting screen and really wish Canon would dump the FA screen and replace it with an XT3 or S1 type screen that works equally well for stills and video shooters."

It doesn't work equally well for stills and video which is why FA exist. Thats the litmus test. Not a chance in hell this ever happens with removing FA. All hybrids are going the FA route. Look at all of the new cameras coming out from Panasonic, Sony and Fujifilm.....S5, A7C, R5, R6, XT4. Nikon's eventual successor to the Z6II and Z7II will no doubt go down the same road. What MIGHT happen is an adoption of a FA screen that also tilts like the SH1.

@entoman – Canons let you select the "Initial Servo AF point for Face + Tracking" and you can set it to the behavior you describe ("small AF box over the part of the subject you want to track"), you can use the touchscreen to select the object to track or you can let the camera figure it out on its own

It is covered in the review in the "How to select your initial AF point in Face/Tracking mode" box.

@entoman - if you use the "small af box" approach then the camera will track whatever you chose with the AF box, and it will ignore the face. If you place the AF box over a face then face/eye detection will engage.

If set "Initial Servo AF point for Face + Tracking" to "auto" (disable the said AF box) then the camera will go into face/eye AF as soon as it finds a face.

This is all for EOS R, but I assume it works the same (or better) for R5.

It would in no way affect my decision, because I'd buy the camera purely for stills usage (wildlife, nature, macro, landscape). For my kind of usage I think the R5 is probably the best machine on the market, with a7Riv as runner up.

If I wanted a video camera, which I don't, I wouldn't choose the R5. Instead I'd buy a cheaper video cam, learn the craft on it, and then be in a better position to make a judgement on upgrading to a better video cam.

7DMkii will never die.

50D will die if it gets wet.

Trust me.

8K is nothing more than a gimmick in this camera. Aside from bragging rights from Canon users, Photographers seeking the odd HQ stills and hobbyists looking to shoot 8K to make their personal videos standout a little more on YouTube, there is little value of the 8K mode in the R5, and especially for the vast majority of Video Producers filming Professional work. Those who do need 8K for Professional work and I know a few that are, look to the URSA 12K, where 8K is offered at higher frame rates and in a body that is targeted for Professional video work.
I'd be amazed if anyone looking at this camera will consider the 8K overheat a problem. It is more the overheat in the 4K HQ and 120fps 4K modes where the problem lies for potential buyers.

I guess I'd have to decide if the 8K overheating is better or worse than the competition. Oh, wait...

Better to decide if you need 8K in the first place..as for competition, URSA 12K is there if you need 8K video and not have it overheat.

Personally I could not care less about the 8K. 99% of my shooting is stills and "standard" 4K.

@aquarta: it is quite simple: if you want 8k in a small classic 35mm body, you have no alternatives at the moment. Period.

Canon made a serious error of judgement when they hyped up the 8K feaure of the R5, knowing that it had limitations on its use.

They should have divulged the limitations right from the beginning, and concentrated promoting the camera's many other outstanding virtues.

But at the end of the day it's probably the "best" FF stills MILC in existence, and as capable as its nearest competitor (the a7Riv) at 4K and 1080p video.

@entoman
Canon rumours/watch were very clear BEFORE launch that 8K would have a 15-20 minute recording limit - which was deemed at the time absolutely fine (there were rumours and fears of 5 minutes circulating from the usual suspects). It only became a thing after launch (despite being in the Canon hand book) as there was nothing else for the brand fools to latch onto. I think Canon’s marketing dept will be very happy as the feature - 8K - gave them massive coverage and, it seems, plenty sales...

@Kandid glad to see Canon hired you as a brand ambassador. You’re very inspirational with kind words of wisdom!