Lightroom for mobile would include many of the favorite features from the desktop version.
While Adobe's Photoshop Touch for both iOS and Android has enough editing tools to wow even the most committed desktop post-processor, many mobile photographers long for the clean navigation and editing tools of Adobe's sister software Lightroom. Tom Hogarty, Adobe's Lightroom product manager, took to Kelby Training's web show The Grid recently to show off a new tablet app that seems to exhibit lots of Lightroom-equivalent features.
In the 51-minute video, Hogarty ran through a few of the app's tools, including exposure, clarity, shadows, highlights and white balance. The app appears to offer 100% zoom, can edit RAW-format images and allows for cloud-synchronized editing.
Check out the new Adobe app in The Grid's video (app talk starts at 18:10):
Here is the key point to understand how Adobe catch the opportunity of the Clouds Computing business, to sale a monthly subscription of all them softwares to everybody, and especially to those who don't want.
Not gonna work. How many people who use LR on a regular basis believe they can shoehorn this app onto a tablet? It's frustrating enough on a high end machine.
So they will hopelessly cripple the functionality (no real RAW support, no cataloging, cloud storage over a low bandwidth connection, etc.) and leave the LR name on it.
But it will just be yet another middling photo editor on the iPad.
I'm a casual photographer, I don't have to live in the product. I use an ASUS TF700T, has plenty of CPU, no problem. Put the SD card in the slot, and a backpack drive in the USB. Unlimited storage. I can definitely use this to manage a workflow completely without a desktop. If your needs vary, please don't discourage Adobe from making products the rest of us can/will use. BTW, the demo showed RAW support. The storage was handled with parallel processing in the background (very smart). IDK about the cataloging, but so far you're 0 for 5.
Apple fans don't want to hear anything bad about Apple. True or not. And it's off topic anyhow. So can we keep our eye on the ball and ignore the Apple talk? Please.
I'm looking forward to seeing the speed of this software on tablets out in the world. That will tell the story.
"Cloud-synchronized" editing is the worrisome bit... I can't wait to see the subscription price. I also hope this thing works offline and will be "slow line friendly" when transfers are necessary (ipad to PC without cloud would be ideal).
Like Amadou said, most of us simply want the ability to cull, rate and perform some (minor) editing on the go before continuing on the PC where we left it off on the iDevice.
And of course, if you want to transfer say 8gigs of raw photos from say an SD card, you'll need a specialized card reader that can plug into the iPad's Apple only port.
Will Adobe be supplying these special card readers or some kind of dock? Why not just stick with a Mac Air or good Windows tablet, or small Windows laptop? (I know that this small laptop/capable tablet point has already been made elsewhere in these comments.)
And no, I don't want to read the preposterous assertion that it's simple and quick to transfer several gigs of data over wifi--perhaps in 20 years, but then photo files will be even bigger.
The idea is that you wouldn't need to transfer full res RAW files to the iPad (although they say you could if you wanted to... and the demo shows a full res RAW file). What he suggests in the video is that mobile Lightroom will read the RAW file and transfer a smaller/lower RES version to the iPad. He says it's not the preview JPEG, but an actual lower res RAW file (doesn't say how it's accomplished). That wouldn't be great for detail work like sharpening and noise reduction, but it would be adequate for Library module work like culling, tagging, etc.; as well as for basic Development module adjustments like exposure and cropping. The full-size RAW files get copied to your desktop computer, and Mobile Lightroom only needs to sync the text that contains your library and development work from the iPad. I would love to do the tagging, culling, and basic development on my iPad.
For CF card users, you need "these special card readers" to offload your CF cards to a Mac Air or Windows laptop too! Laptops with built-in CF card slots aren't exactly ubiquitous.
But CF card readers are ubiquitous, and they plug into USB ports. So those CF card readers wouldn't count as "'special'", only separate. The fact that you skipped that important point about Apple only ports suggests you aren't real familiar with iPads; they don't have USB ports, while an Air does, as do Windows computers.
sean000,
Well then it's not really useful raw extraction software. Why buy it? Why would Adobe think there's a market? Albeit it would count as good viewing and sorting software.
Then if a good jpeg is say at least one third the size of the raw file, transferring say 200 jpegs--miniraws is not something that can quickly be done over wifi, at least right now.
I also see a problem in the system you describe: What if you want to go back to the raw with more powerful Adobe software,?I guess finding the file you want would be faster, but you've already wasted time making it into some format you'll likely not use--that jpeg-mini raw hybrid.
iPad's have a USB adapter allowing it to read the pics straight from camera -- not the fastest in the world but good enough and very light. A similar adapter allows iDevices to read SD cards. These already exist.
Right I wasn't imply that these specialized card readers-adapters don't exist, I was saying that they're specialized Apple only things. (To be honest I'd only heard of the card readers for iPads, not the USB to 30 pin or the new Apple iPlug adapter, but it makes sense that such things exist.)
Given the other problems with this iPad "Lightroomlike" system, as described, a Mac Air or small fast Windows notebook seems like a much better idea.
I would love to be able to use both the library module and do some development work as well on my iPad. I'd probably use it for initial culling, flagging, tagging, and perhaps some basic development work. I don't spend as much time at my computer these days, so it would be nice to just focus on the final development steps (including editing with my Nik plugins) and printing when I'm at my computer. The killer workflow would be to use the Lightroom iOS app to download lower resolution versions from a WiFi SD card, doing all that first level library and development work on the iPad, and then download the full size files to my computer (from the SD Card) followed by syncing up the editing steps from my iPad. That would rock.
This is probably going to be true, except for the $300 part. There's better than a 50-50 chance that I'll ditch my iPad when I refresh my laptop. I love the form factor of the iPad, but so little on it is full featured, and many things simply don't transfer to usable formats on desktops. Something like the Helix (provided they can get the Wacom drivers working), while $2000, provides everything - including LTE - that I have a $1000 laptop and a $800 tablet for, but which is half the combined weight. And then I won't have to worry about how full-featured (or not) the tablet version of Lr is.
For me the same. I tried Photoshop touch for Android but it cannot even open PSD files made by Photoshop for the computer and not save to PSD as well. Useless. An alternative Android RAW editing (although no layers / psd) tool is Photomate Pro which saves XMP which can be read by Photoshop on the computer. Moreover, using an image editing app on a small laptop such as a 13" Macbook Pro is not less 'mobile' than on a tablet.
Quote: "Why bother with apple it is losing market share hand over foot..." Right and you know how many times I read that in 1997,98,99?
Android remains a problematic OS for smart phones and tablets, in version 4 one has to do a lot of work to turn off background processes, aka carpware, and Android phones, less tablets, have big security problems that the iPhone and iPad don't. (Blackberries don't have these security problems either.)
But hey some Android tablets have microSD card slots.
Simple solution, skip Android and iOS devices: Samsung, Microsoft, Lenovo, and HP all ship Windows tablets that can actually run Photoshop. Then this iOS Adobe Lightroom becomes unnecessary.
PhotoKhan my comment was actually meant for paulbysea, but to answer your question. Shares are dropping because the growth rate slowed. It had too as the company became enormous.
That and right now all their products are in much more mature markets than a year or more ago. Phones and tablets caught up to a large extent.
Also the world is not sure the magic is not gone with Job's passing.
There are more Android phones out there, but that doesn't tell the whole story. It's still true that for every dollar an iOS developer makes, an Android developer makes about $0.25. Also, in the Comscore report that just came out, iOS market share is up and the gain was at the expense of Android, which was down.
Too bad most of the Android market is made up of bargain smartphones, cheapo junky tablets, and the Amazon Kindle Fire. Plus, iOS is the mobile OS where its users actually buy apps!
That's certainly going to be a trick. Maybe, if it works, Adobe can back-port all of the memory management and code efficiency it will take to get Lr running on a tablet back to their desktop version so that it can run at an acceptable speed on a Quad-Core i7 machine with under 16GB of RAM.
And while they're at it, perhaps the Adobe wunderkind could finally implement the RH mouse control properly, update the antiquated toolset and review the pricing of their ephemeral software.
You're right, InTheMist, they are not...but probably, like me, with about 95% certainty that their next laptop will not be actually one but rather the next incarnation of this superb offer. The only reason I am not jumping head and feat into the present offer is the battery running/time weight compromise. I couldn't imagine such an apt product to clearly illustrated why aapl is going down the drain as the "Surface Pro" turned out to be.
This would be interesting BUT, currently, SnapSeed has all I need from a mobile perspective. I honestly tried that mobile version of Photoshop and it was far too cumbersome. SnapSeed is a breeze in comparison.
The thing that has Lr users excited - even the ones who use Snapseed - is that you could sync the changes back to your Lr catalog, instead of editing twice (once on your mobile device and again on your laptop/desktop).
Bad idea. The overwhelming majority of phone snappers share it immediately and don't want to process a raw first. Yes, they can leave raw off by default but when it inadvertently gets turned on they won't know what to do.
A camera that shoots raw would not have to only shoot raw, that's how all raw capable cameras work (someone find an exception to my assertion). But I guess you know that.
Raw makes for vastly better colour and exposure control, if you know how to use it and extract it why not have raw as an option? People who shot accidentally in raw will learn pretty easily.The raw format could be DNG, that's pretty easy to find extraction software for. Most people who can use a computer understand the idea that files may be in different formats.
This "instantly share" idea only is nonsense. And frankly drives people away from camera phones.
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