AT&T won't sell the Huawei Mate 10 in the US over political concerns

Hilarious, you'll sweat about the Chinese who are not interested in you, but love having your every move sent to USA's big brother by American companies.

I'm in the US and buy products made abroad because they are generally better. Made in the USA is more a plea for charity these days than a mark of quality.

Shifting gears but on related note, I was on a tour of Scandinavia in June 2017. While shopping for souvenirs, I only saw "Made in Denmark" label. In Stockton it was "Made in Sweden" label. In Helsinki, "Made in Finland" labels. and in Oslo, made in Norway. I assume there are foreign made consumer goods such as Cameras. While paying for the (light) Made in Findland winter coat, I struck conversation with the sales lady. She stated that she buy Scandinavian made consumer goods and willing to pay the higher price than a similar product made elsewhere . . . and added "I want to support the industry where I live."

I wish we in America (USA) put our money where our mouth is.

I've spent time in Scandinavia and can tell you that they make some very nice products in that region. They also have a healthy export trade with the rest of Europe, so their products are also chosen first in other countries.

It is notable that they are more socialist leaning and therefore more likely to think of their own communities than Americans.

The USA model of business and community seems to hate any idea of socialism, hence the disparity of wealth leading to cheap imports for the less well off, and foreign products for the rich wanting to show status.

These countries make it into the top 10 most socialist countries in the world...

Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Sweden
Norway

... and also among the wealthiest with the highest standards of living.

You see, there is more to socialism than communism. But Americans won't spend the time to learn that.

I agree that design concepts follow the design country, but that doesn't necessarily keep the bugs out when stuff is made elsewhere.

One more thing for your "anti-foreigner/anti-China",

Your communist party/Gov, dos NOT present China, and Chinese people, They are two different thing even you think communist is China.

Mike FL. Nothing is too ridiculous for you to say obviously.

I am not Chinese, I am not in China, I have no Chinese ancestry. I have no connection with any Chinese company or organisation.

But keep embarrassing your fellow Americans with your ignorant world view from your trailer window.

Then all android phones without security patches should not be allowed to sell:

Daryl-G,

For your records, we just got a new president last year. How about your country?

@Mike. If the Chinese don't believe in your imaginary friends, so be it. That doesn't make you superior.

I am guessing that you are in the US (Florida, probably). There is more than enough to keep you concerned with domestic politics there. You can take a break from ranting about the Chinese.

Mike. don't worry we have all heard of him. He's in bed by now with his cheesburger, keep your voice down!

Mike, you are throwing stones in a glass house. Your beloved US of A is not a good place from which to preach to anyone these days.

Mike FL
please believe me - really not... most my foreign friends here everyday in the chats talk some bad words but nobody touch them. 12 years I stay here and to be honest, at first I also thought here is some extraordinary hard rules, but today can say - in the world are just few countries so free for people who live here and also for foreigners... If you don't believe, please, come here and live even few month and you will understand my words better then from far. yes, here are some weak sides and personally me talk about it many times even with high governors and with some other people from government, and what? They say just thanks to me for open and directly words and gave me visa even for longer time then before. I think its a result of very long history of this country, with some weak sides here are a much more good sides. But we stay in dpreview and we must talk about photography, i think...

Ha, the the Troll Force of China!

no, if you want, i will give you my chat and you can talk with me with video. No need to search everywhere trolls...

@Mike. They probably just don't get your imaginary friends. But it is their country. In yours, they ban people from entering based on religion too.

Less of this propaganda and more talk of photography please.

Those "imaginary friends" are really written on your money "in God we trust", is the foundation of the USA, every nation and the universe. Those who know them and love them, even their darkest day is brighter than your day at noon. They know the true reason for celebrating Easter and Christmas...while you have April 1st!

Xiaomi is a nice little thing, light and fast, lots of capacity. Only the camera is so bad that I cannot use it for my daily purposes...I have to copy text and the corners cannot be read. Other than that, what a nice machine!

@ wlad

I think you make a point. I would not be suprised if Samsung or other brands would be behind it.

@gbdz

you cant except from budget phone a top spec camera and I don`t care as I have for photos my mirrorless. The camera`s are practically the same as other brands as you don`t have much choice over the sensor it will be either Sony or Samsung. The Samsung/Sony other phones for the same price will be not taking better quality pictures. At leas with significant difference.

On the other hand top Huawei phone is 3rd in DXOmark and Xiaomi is 9th ;)
Xiaomi note 3 for examples i better then Iphone7plus for the half of the price with bigger memory, bigger battery etc,etc. Just one example.

@gbdz
Use FreeDCam app and you'll see a huge difference in pciture quality on the same Xiaomi phone. Modify the jpg guality setting to 100% and file output to jpeg and turn off denoise. Also change the resolution to max.

Toni - with English, there is frequently a difference between the Dictionary meaning of a phrase, and the emotional content of a phrase.

Then there are regional differences as well. There are even differences between Canada and the USA that a non native might not catch. I don't envy non native speakers trying to keep track of English!

and those supervising and testing would never, ever take a bribe ...

@RogueSwan Bribery is unlikely to help in this case.

1) It would be nearly impossible for the Chinese government to plant any hostile hardware component in an iOS device during assembly. The existing parts in iPhones are so complex and advanced that the Chinese government will have a very tough time designing and manufacturing a completely equivalent but bugged clone before the phone model is discontinued, and while it is theoretically possible to add an eavesdropping component on top of existing circuitry to monitor electronics traffic, there is physically no space in iPhones or iPads to put one.

2) Modifying the system software is somewhat more realistic. However, iOS gets updated frequently, wiping everything in the process, and each iOS update checks the integrity of the underlying firmware too. Anyway, why would the Chinese government take this kind of risk when they can attack remote vulnerabilities, which do not need anything planted in the factory?

3) Even if 1) and 2) were possible, the Chinese spies can only afford to compromise a small number of handsets, because their entire effort will go to waste if Apple notices bugged handsets leaving the factory. So they need to make sure that compromised handsets end up in the hands of important people, and not irrelevant joe blows like quiquae. To do that, though, you will need to bribe Apple distribution chain globally, not just their Chinese factory. Not very effective.

quiquae - you seems to be very naive ;)

I have the huawei p9 lite. It's great it's fast battery last one day with heavy usage. I don't have any issues. I'm very satisfied. Why spend 10 times more for an iPhone or a pro device?

True. I have a cheap Umidigi Z phone running plain Android 7 and a Samsung Tab S2 tablet running Samsung's Android 7. The cheap phone works perfectly, the much more expensive tablet is buggy, lacks many features like scdeen casting and has memory management problems that need a reboot to resolve. And that's without even considering the annoying changes to the user interface.

I like the tablet's hardware but when the time comes its replacement won't be Samsung.

Well there's no way to know really if they wanted to hide it and pay someone off.