According to the video, the camera captures five images simultaneously when the shutter is pressed. This results in more light being captured than on conventional cameras and therefore produces better-than-usual low light capabilities. Images can also be refocused after capture, but there is no talk about zoom performance.
The new Nokia will allegedly also come with a 5.99-inch “PureDisplay” that supports the HDR10 standard and features an in-display fingerprint reader. The device will be powered by a Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 chipset and 6GB of RAM. 128GB of built-in storage are on board as well.
While general specs are pretty much in line with other current high-end smartphones, the upcoming Nokia's camera definitely will stand out from the crowd when the phone is made official. This could happen pretty soon and we'd expect the Nokia 9 PureView to be announced at the Mobile World Congress in February at the latest.
What if .... all five are the same lens, one is just all red sensor, one is just all green sensor, and one is just all blue sensor, one is black and white sensor, and one is just Foveon sensor, no Bayer?
Google has artifacts when exposure stacking with moving subjects, especially with Night Sight, so exposure stacking with multiple sensors will have better results.
It's not that simple, there's too much to account for here. Overall Google's night sight is the best stacking algorithm out there, it even includes subpixel sampling so there's a boost in resolution which in practice enables the 12MP 1/2.55" to outresolve the 40MP 1/1.7" quad bayer in Mate20P even in daylight.
No, Pixel 3's Night Sight mode is comparable to approximately 16 megapixels (when light conditions are perfect) as you can see in the studio comparison. When you shoot in raw with the Huawei P20 Pro / Mate 20 Pro , there is no comparison, Huawei captures much more details. Huawei's 40 megapixel jpgs are very bad due to bad image processing, the dng results are occasionally far superior regarding details.
Yes, Google's HDR+ can produce artifacts with moving objects, but they are often barely noticeable (though I have no experience with Night Sight, which might cause more artifacts). Google's HDR+ can also cause artifacts around highlights in low-light conditions. But it seems that Light is responsible for the Nokia 9 https://light.co/smartphones and when you look at Light L16 sample images, there are huge artifacts. Google's artifacts are not noticeable unless you look very closely. But the Light L16 can have extreme artifacts like wrong numbers when you take a photo of a sign, etc.. Though apparently the HMD Nokia 9 will use a different technique than the L16.
I wasn't talking about RAW, and didn't check out Mate20P RAWs, but I did examine P20P RAWs which should be technically identical and those were pretty mediocre, it does really bad on naturally occurring random patterns like waves and grass. Quad bayer's not even close to bayer. I don't know what 16MP you were comparing Pixel's night sight against but JPG to JPG it has more detail than Mate20P in daylight.
You're right, but that's no reason for five cameras, perhaps 3 at most. Google's stacking vastly improves results at a fixed focal length so the combination of a superior stacking algorithm and lenses of different FoV should be best, Apple's shown that SmartHDR combined with the 2x lens yields superior results (closer to the main sensor's) to all other solutions at ~50mm equiv.
You are correct. But those tiny sensors on cellphones .... Anyways, if this is auto bracketing of 5 exposures into one image, as opposed to 5 different focal length cameras for "tele and wide zoom" etc, it can really turn out nice.
I don't think we're ever gonna see a smartphone "professional" enough to be using multiple identical camera modules just to make brackets for more DR in RAW.
"This results in more light being captured than on conventional cameras and therefore produces better-than-usual low light capabilities."
Just not true! Why are your authors for mobile tech still so uninformed? If I take the same picture five times, I haven't captured more light or anything. How it works here is by combining those five images to remove noise and improve sharpness. Its called image stacking and its around for ages.
At the very least, image noise would be different for each sensor, which would let you average out the noise.
Plus you're assuming that all of the sensors are identical. Swapping the patterns would give you better RGB definition. Using at least one B&W sensor would let you capture more luminance information and offer better edge detection. Offset sensors give you better depth information.
But exposure bracketing does capture more usable values of light for each image pixel for computation algorithm, if these lens are all of the same focal length meant to compose one image.
I have owned two Samsungs and both had a ton of issues. My S8 has a broken USB, doesn't charge except wirelessly and the camera is broken. All from normal use.
I have had two Nokias and they were bombproof. I shall go back to Nokia as soon as possible
No matter how many lenses, the pictures will look the same, when people copy and plagiarize the pics others took in SOME. It`s not the camera, it is the human brain which produces ideas behind pictures, that stand out of the crowd. And when I look at the galleries here and say Instagram -- pics are the same mass - like toothpaste coming out of the tube. All looking the same. When there is a different one, no-one notices or writes anything cause it is not a good thing to think and act different these days. People live for likings and mass hysteria. Gone are the days when photographers knew about poems and novels -- which could be seen in their pics. Btw..this Nokia brand is not basically the same as the old one. Being a Fin I know something about the destruction of old Nokia and marriage with Microsoft ( then divorce :-)
It doesn't have a notch! Thank you Nokia! I really prefer a short bezel/frame than a notch design. Specs look good let's wait for the price. Nokia is being quite aggressive on price at least on their mid range 7.1 and 5.1 that can be bought under 200€ at Vodafone.
I'm still waiting for anything with a lens as wide as my LG G5. The wide angle is addictive creatively and essential in my work. Surely there's always room for ONE ultra wide lens when it opens up such HUGE opportunities?
My G5 is slow these days, the GPS is broken (common fault, I get lost, or even carry an extra phone just for GPS) and I'm out of contract so can get anything new for 'free' or very cheap, but I've searched high and low for anything with this wide angle and can't find anything. V30 was the best (i.e. widest) I found iirc.
I'd also take a 7 inch screen - I need images and review of images. They come above everything else. Closely followed by micro SD slot, swappable battery and 3.5mm jack. I really don't care if it weighs 350g and is 15mm thick, it's a tool not a fashion accessory for me. I've even looked at small tablets in the past.
If anyone knows of anything...
But yeah, 5 lenses for slightly better image quality when pixel peeping - vaguely interesting.
Huawei Mate 20 X - 7.1" with triple cameras - wide angle, normal and zoom lens (i know this sounds strange but it's what it is..). I think that's the best one you can get for your needs. But difficult to get and expensive
I have it, for a bit less than a month now. Arguably the best handset I ever had, and most definitely the best "cameraphone".
The UWA lens is of a surprisingly good quality, it's 16mm equivalent lens is paired with 20Mp sensor. Judging by LG reviews I've seen, Huawei's UWA camera is way better: quite sharp, and w/o crazy distortions exhibited by LG. Main camera is peerless.
As franzfifty said, it might be difficult to get. I had to wait, and then settle for the AL00 (Chinese) version. Cleaning it of pre-installed cr@p and installing Google keyboard and other such stuff took about an hour... But it was well worth it.
BTW, got two system SW updates already, and the second one improved camera operation: there is now an option to very easily step-zoom (Wide/1x/3x/5x; first 3 use signle respective cameras, 4th is hybrid) with a single tap. This is, understandably, not reflected in any reviews out there (which were out before the updates).
Check. It's 7.2", actually... Perfectly manageable -- for me.
> micro SD slot
It supports nanoSDs, up to 256Gb. Either that, or a second nano-SIM. My handset has 256Gb of internal memory, "lesser" model has 128Gb; never needed SDs in my handsets even when I had less than that though.
> swappable battery
Nope. But the battery is a BEAST: 5,000 mAh, I never had it discharged even to 50% during the day. It's a champ.
> 3.5mm jack
Check! Was one of my priorities, too.
> I really don't care if it weighs 350g and is 15mm thick
It is a surprisingly slick phone for what it is (with *those* screen and battery sizes): some 230g IIRC. I even use it with the plastic case that came with it, which makes the handset a tad bigger... Still not just perfectly manageable, but even convenient -- for me.
And how much this phone will cost? How about a Canon M100, Sony a5100, Fuji X-A3, Olympus E-M10 II or Panasonic GX800/GX850 as some examples. Cheap and way better than the camera of the phone above with m4/3 and APS-C sensors. The lenses, which be used, also can not compete on image quality and zoom.
I'm a bit skeptical about this, unless they've licensed the processing code from someone else (Light?). While there's a lot to like about my Nokia 8, HMD's own camera application produces clearly inferior pictures compared to Google Camera ports, which do not even utilise the second B/W camera at all. I have a hard time believing they are themselves capable of doing significant computational magic with 5 cameras.
Back in 2013: "Nokia's new investment in Pelican Imaging has the media buzzing about "bug eye" lens arrangement in the next the next iteration of the Finnish phone maker's Pure View line of smartphones."
If all 5 cameras are using the same sensor with the same focal length, the total imaging area would be equal to a 1" sensor. Cram about 40 of these little cameras on the back and you are up to full frame.
Google will share android but don’t expect them to share Night Sight, it’s a Google Pixel exclusive. And good luck waiting on any those hardware companies to come up with anything remotely similar to Night Sight. So add all the cameras you want it’ll be nothing comparable to a single camera Pixel.
The night sight feature in the Google Pixel 2 mimics similar technology previously found in the Huawei P20 Pro. So, your premise that Google is the sole producer of such technology is a fallacy; Google wasn't even the first to market with this technology. Also, as for the Pixel 2 being the "gold standard", you may want to first check the mobile phone camera rankings on DXOMark.
"Google wasn't even the first to market with this technology" Actually that's wrong. Google's HDR+ is basically exactly the same as Night Sight and exists already for at least 5 years. The main difference between HDR+ and Night Sight is that Night Sight uses even more frames and with a longer exposure time per frame, but the technique is the same (only the Pixel 3 also uses super resolution algorithms, but not Pixel 2 with Night Sight). So in low-light conditions HDR+ was already equivalent to approximately 1s exposure. Night Sight is basically nothing else than HDR+ with a longer exposure time per frame. So saying that Night Sight is something new is basically the same as if you would say that choosing a longer exposure time (per frame) is a new technique. And by the way Night Sight or HDR+ are just different terms for the same thing: multi frame noise reduction without the need for a tripod.
first we have big screen wars, with Samsung creating giant phone with giant screen that is barely usable. Now we are heading for a phone with a hundred lenses at the back of a phone.
For people who wondered where that technology of many cameras to make post-focusing possible were going, there's the answer. I was sad that Nokia seemed to have lost their phone market, but they're coming back nicely. Might never get back to where they were, but can take a good bite.
I do quite like my yesterday's tech Sennheiser IE-80's, which never need recharging and do not block access to the USB port for other purposes. And I'd assume the sound quality beats most of the BT headphones ;)
@le_alain - Bluetooth is the lowest power with wifi the highest. I suggest you do some reading BT has really changed. Get a lead vest if you are afraid.
@Mika Y. - Sound quality has come along way for BT. not as good as the IE-80's but you still need a good DAC to make the most of those anyway. My headphones last 40 hours before a recharge. I have a good range in that i can move around the house and not have a cable or phone tethered to me. Anyway you can get a usb splitter if you really need the USB port.
Side note. I just upgraded to a V35. Has wireless charging and 3.5mm port. My old phone did not have wireless charging or 3.5 port. It forced me to adopt USB C cables and BT headphones. I was hesitant at the start but for me it was like upgrading to Cable from DSL. Will never go back. You have options for 3.5 but you won't get 5 cameras.
I'm surrounded by pro-audio gear, none of which has BT, but I have consumer BT stuff as well (including headphones, a couple of speakers, and my car). I have nothing against BT. It has its place.
My job requires me to spend hours in conference calls, most often using headphones. BT headphones run out of juice, so that's not an option. Headphones connected via USB-C work, until the phone runs out of juice. Wireless charging would theoretically work, if I'm sitting at my desk, but not in my backpack.
Would anybody care to explain how exactly are we collectively better off without a headphone jack?
P.S. Hipsters - multi-track tape decks are widely used in the music recording industry to add analog warmth and saturation to digital audio. That's tape, and you're loving it!
le_alain you can easily use an adaptor that gives you both charing and the use of a headphonejack if thats what you want. Unless the phone has wireless charging in that case no need of adapter.
Seems like Nokia and Zeiss are on a good track now to eventually rule the smartphone camera market. If they don't mess up again. I predicted smartphone camera arrays a couple of years ago and slowly, they seem to be coming. Not dual wide/tele installations, but arrays of equal cameras. This will likely only stop at around 5x5 arrays.
I assume this now is a 2x2 array plus another camera for a second focal length.
I like the new Nokia's and the prices are good. Only disappointment this won't get the S855 SoC as that is a big jump over the S845 in all areas. Still the next model will have it and I'm in no rush.
Those making fun of this camera should educate themselves and find out how well the 3-lens design has worked in the Huawei P20 Pro and then later in the Mate 20 cameras. LG also has a model with multiple lenses.
Have they improved upon the normal P20 so much? Im using that for a month now and it has hands down the WORST quality I have ever seen. The BS AI-post-processing is so unnatural and unreliable. The image on the screen has nothing to do with the image my eyes see, just horrible. And if you turn the AI off, the images still struggle to keep up with my ancient Nexus 5X.
Exactly, I think it's high time to get over the anti-vertical snobbery and accept that vertical video format is how a substantial amount of people experience video contents on their mobile phones. I don't have the figure handy, but I'd bet that mobile phone is the most popular medium for video-consumption now
Vertical video REPLAY is still buggy viewing on the phone. Half the time, it still force your phone into horizontal viewing mode, but with gigantic cropped sides. It's not a hassle to rotate your phone. It's not like we have to go into a bunch of menus to switch settings to go into horizontal video mode, and switch settings back when done.
Putting away my usual sarcasm about camera "quality" of ANY smartphone, this thing is the first modern Nokia that looks really interesting... Anyway, I am sure it, as any other phone, will not be a substitution for a proper camera, which start from u4/3.
Actually all the 1-inch cameras with a short zoom ranged are endangered species, due to cameras like this. This is why I think Sony decided to put a long zoom in its latest RX100 VI.
cellphones are to actual cameras,be they enthusiast compacts ilc, or entry level zoom compacts what amazon is every brick and mortar store in the world
slow ,..............nmmmmm,...not so slow,............ death
Steve Jobs was great. Apple is just the company he built up twice, and that lost him twice :-( The notch invented by Apple alone does hardly kill anyone.
Well I had to change mobiles since the windows phone died. I had a Nokia 930 and now I'm using a iPhone 6s. Man, I really regret this decision. Worse in every way. Camera, Built quality...the stupid phone doesn't even support srt subtitles. Just one of the problems I have.
Haha. You get an old iPhone 6 and expect it to be great! That’s way old tech dude. Get the new iPhone. It blows everything out the water with its super sonic speed, beautiful best in class screen and amazing DSLR like camera performance. I have poster size prints on my wall from my new iPhone. They look incredible. Trust me, best smart phone on the market, hands down. Even price is fair for such incredible tech.
See yesterday's letter by Tim Cook to Apple investors: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/01/letter-from-tim-cook-to-apple-investors/ "While Greater China and other emerging markets accounted for the vast majority of the year-over-year iPhone revenue decline, in some developed markets, iPhone upgrades also were not as strong as we thought they would be."
Fewer people are accepting skyrocketing prices of up to 1649,- € for one iPhone that will be called "old tech dude" soon. Apple won in 2007. Nokia had a hard time, but is still alive. HMD Global was the fastest growing smartphone vendor recently.
Imager of, I feel like saying the cameras on new iPhone have "DSLR like performance" is a bit too exaggerated and far fetched, but yeah I agree with you that it's easily one of the best phone in the market right now. Many people just hate it because how expensive it is, and most of those criticisms are coming from Android users who never used any iDevices before.
lol, you say every single spec from the new iphone that you think its awesome, make lousy prints from a nail size sensor and said that you are not an apple fan? busted "amazing DSLR like camera performance" are you aware of how much you are embarrassing yourself? lol rmao
So if I want to do a remake of the movie The Fly, can I get realistic fly sight video output? Two lenses for the compound eyes, and 3 for the ocelli? Woohoo! Good times!
This should work with about the same amount of light as an M43 camera. Now Google has already done that. 15 exposures on the new Pixel is about APSC size territory to be exact! But if this really is 10 times more light on top of the existing technologies ...then Oh boy!
It's likely 10 times more than a "typical" phone, not a "flagship" phone. If "typical" means 1/3.6" (12.0 mm ^ 2), ten times that is very close to 1" (116 mm ^ 2), or about half the area a 4/3 sensor (225 mm ^ 2).
Which is still awesome for a phone, especially if it can use the extra resolution for a 4x zoom.
Ok so in another 5 years we may get a 10 lens phone to match MFT in total photons gathered. Then if they manage to improve ergonomics, focal length options, battery life, AF in lowlight, C-AF, DOF control, figure how to add a VF and an articulating screen, and figure how to reduce diffraction, im on board.
@Max Iso: You might want to check out www.light.co - they already offer some of the things on your list, it's just a matter of a phone manufacturer picking up their tech. Looks like Nokia is their first big contract.
Don't know how much market demand there is for a phone with an articulating screen though.
The 8 Sirocco would have been my favourite ... but I need dual SIM for company and private use. Aluminium body of the 7 Plus (the 2018 predecessor of the 6) and some rough edges are not bad either.
Phone pic subjects are often very close (selfie distance) so if these cameras have a normal FOV then constructing a single hi-res image from separated cams should be very tricky due to perceptive differentials. It will be interesting to see how they address this.
I'm really curious if the pictures really over a substantial image quality gain over phones with one single camera. IMHO, so far no phone, which merges pics from two or more camera modules, does offer a substantial quality gain (I did not have a chance to check all of them if course).
I wonder for the approach of 5 cameras, what about 10 or 20,? I'm tired of makers thinking their consumers are simpletons incapable of sharing the computational strategy,number of shared pixels ,their roles within the computational strategy ,use of bw sensors and the sq mm size of the entire array of sensors ill start respecting the computational image recording modules, when at least one of them is a 1/1.7 sensor[43sqmm] or even 2 [x2 86sqmm+ x,x, etc],what modules are 1trick ponies providing depth info to fake background blur amount and quality?
while some makers in the past have open both about size and type of sensor, few have ever made what they do as plain ass tech sony fuji or Nikon and Canon employ when exposing tech to the public
every aspect of the singular migration to cellphones feels dumbed down, and the new mindless module race seems as misleading as any past megapixel race, clock speed race, or macaroni and cheese commercial
Because photo modules are quite large and you have to find place for other enigmatic parts (like CPU or battery...).
Actually there are these weird smartphones with very large photo modules - so big that even the GSM module had to be removed. They're called "cameras".
there must be some clever perspective correction in effect here, otherwise even though these are so close to each other, light must be entering in these lenses from different angles!!
Well done Nokia! I'm just enjoying my Nokia 7 plus with pure Android One and 2x optical zoom button for distortion free portraits. After the release of a substantial number of mid range and entry level smartphones during the last two years, it's time for something that attracts attention.
I've liked my Nokia 6. Its taken quite a few spills onto concrete without a case and comes away damage free. Combine that with stock Android and I'm pretty sure to be buying another Nokia as my next phone.
I like Nokia phones. I think they are the best Android phone available. Solid and gimmick free. Although 5 cameras looks a bit gimmicky to me. They all work at once? How do the images line up when each one is slightly off axis? It may not matter for distance shots bit for anything close how will that work?
The five cameras will easily justify a $1000+ price tag but I think as handsets are now receiving Android updates and most phones under $800 get the job done there are less people biting on the latest and greatest. I have wanted to get back to a Nokia after the Microsoft platform fiasco but it would be hard for me to justify a $1000+ phone as my LG V30 works just fine.
I would like to have phones with a basic camera only. I definitely don't need a tricky camera system for around 1K bucks embedded in my phone. I do not like this coupled product concept aiming at maximising the profit of the phone-maker. Please, let me get what I need for the price what I want to pay.
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