Adobe will release the last update to Lightroom 6 'towards the end of the year'

"What I don't understand is why other post processing software developers aren't doing a more aggressive campaign to sell Abobe's amateur users on the merits of their alternative products."

Oh, they're doing it all right. At least some of them :)

"To get your free license of DxO OpticsPro 11, please enter your email address hereunder before November, 30th 2017."

http://www.dxo.com/us/practicalphotography

I din't check it, thought, I went straight to their latest - PhotoLab, which is actually OpticsPro plus local adjustments...

I grabbed capture one 9 last year during the giveaway...and i can say i haven't touched it once. something about having the old version...just doesn't make one too excited.

Appreciate the freebie though.

Thanks!

Yes several good options but too many chasing the customer base. Result will be some will crash and burn. Then you have wasted time learning a new app when it gets discontinued due to poor sales. Chances are C1 will go subscription only at some point as well. Anything that is successful you just have to hope that Adobe don't do a Macromedia and then close them down after purchase.

You always "rent" software. Almost all license agreements, both the perpetual license and CC license from Adobe, probably have a clause like "the developer licesense you to use this softwrae" You don't actually ever OWN it. The developer can revoke the license and thus, continued use would be illegal.

I am not saying they have, but they reserve the right to, and you have little you can do should they chose to end the license agreement. That's all I'm getting at... for those who think they buy the license and can use it indefinitely... that may or may not be true. It also gives the developer the option to send "kill" updates or updates that make it harder to continue to use a program that is considered obsolete.

http://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html

Read the terms and agreements. It states in the document that adobe can terminate even perpetual licenses. Also note how towards the top they emphasize that software is licensed, not sold. This is honestly where people get confused. You are buying a license to use the software... a license that Adobe, if it wanted to, could cancel or terminate and there is not much you can do about it. You can try to file a lawsuit, but I'm not sure how that would play out given the terms of the agreement you agreed to when you installed it.

Depends on where in the world you live. First Sale Doctrine has been gutted in the US, this is true. (See Vernor v. Autodesk, Inc.), but for instance, in the EU, you do retain the rights, ownership as it were, to the software you buy. Not sure how that works in Canada where I'm now living. Good question actually.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

https://www.publicknowledge.org/news-blog/blogs/eu-court-when-you-buy-software-you-own-it

This I think summarizes what you're trying to say for the EU at least, but it sounds more like selling a "used" copy. The developer still retains the rights to the software, as mentioned in this article (which I need to do more research on). Reselling used software is one thing ,but Adobe, in this case, would still "own" the software (have copyright ownership of it). They just can't control what the person (the consumer) does with it, or they can't stop the consumer from re-selling it as a used copy (according to the EU at least).

However, I would think that the buyer buying the "second hand" software would still have to agree to the developer's EULA anyway when they install it. They may "own it" in terms of being able to sell it to someone else, but I think they still fall under the EULA when they use it, which is what this discussion was really about.

Also, For the sake of the EULA and licensing, I don't think it matters if you're the 2nd or 22nd owner, you'd probably still have to agree to the EULA which binds you to use of the software. At least in the EU (as I read it), you still "own it" but not in the way that people think ownership works with other things, like cars or furniture. You own it to the point where you can re-sell it to someone else (under specific guidelines) but I think it's still licensed used.

Duplication of Adobe staff looking after and developing the same product, I'm guessing its about Adobe saving money with an eye for users to subscribe to there multiple TB cloud storage - they will make loads.

The only "time bomb" I encountered, upon initial installation, was the automatic installation also of a trial version of Lightroom Mobile, which later ended and brought an alert to buy that made me wonder if LR would be disabled -- but I just said no thanks, and from then on there's only a promo text at the top suggesting to "Get started with LR Mobile."

Am I gonna have to re-assign custom keywords to 199,748 photos?

What are you going to do when C1 goes subscription?

So what happens when Capture 1 is subscription only, you then will switch to another app and wast even more hours learning that?

@M Jesper. My main gripe with C1 is zooming. I sometimes just want to zoom 100% and then go back to the full image. IS there a simple way of doing that (besides the loupe view (which IMHO is a bit limited...?)

Can u just install old windows version (the disc that come with computer pruchase) even on new computer

and so can continue to use old software?

If It's an OEM restore disc, no you can't. You can only re-install the OS on the computer the disc came with (or one that is similar or otherwise included in the list of computers the recovery CD/DVD works with). For example, I have an old HP XW4600 workstation with Windows 7. I can use the restore CD on any HP XW workstation that is an xw4200, 4400, or 4600, or a z200 workstation, but not other HP models, or other computers (non-HP). Hopefully that helps and answers your question.

In your case, you might be better off restoring the old computer with the CD that came with it, and upgrade it to a point where you could use an older version of LR and/or PS. Earlier versions of the software had lower system requirements than the current version obviously.

get the most powerful gaming laptop you can ... used ...

pump it full of ram

put 4 gigs of nice samsung ssd love i n there {$1500.00] a nice cherry keyboard a good
mouse ....make sure the puppy is running win 7 send the image out to a nice monitor with good calibration

your good to go

To y eyes results of C1pro are superior to that of LR...

Windows has always been excellent for backwards compatibility, but not 100%. You can still run 32-bit Windows 98se programs with a good degree of success. So in reality LR6 will probably be okay for the duration, but there is always a chance that some feature it relies on will get broken (as it's a very complicated program).
The very cool thing about Windows is not so much the compatibility mode that allows it to emulate older OSes, but WinSxS which allows programs to have whatever version of a library it wants. Unlike other OSes where you are stuck with the library it comes with, in Windows if 6 programs want 6 different versions of the C library they can all have the exact one they want and all run at the same time.

They honestly need to re-write it from the ground up but that will take some time. Hopefully Adobe has used some of their revenues to look into such a project (which might take them a few years to rewrite from scratch or at least from the foundation up).
I really think it's the catalog that slows it down, and if they could start utilizing the graphics card more, that might speed some things up, especially previews and other intensive tasks (like photo merging, etc).

Well I have upgraded to Lightroom Classic and it is massively faster. The same experience for other people I know. It is pointless moaning about that the fact it is slow on your computer on here because Adobe do not come onto they website. Put a post onto Adobes website because you need to feed back to them your problem and what computer you are running and OS.

@ASRBriggs I've seen multiple reports claiming that LR Classic CC is significantly faster than LR CC. However, LR CC has been getting slower and slower lately, so it may well be that the sped-up Classic is still not as good as LR6 was. I'm still in the process of downloading my copy, so I can't speak from experience either way.

Check the Adobe forums. I am not the only one suffering from the "upgrade". This only highlights that it works well on some configurations and not on others. Ie, poor coding.

@ASRBriggs,

What @quiquae said.

LR CC used to barely use my RAM, but gobble up my CPU when doing any "heavy lifting". Now, LR CCC barely touches my CPU, but gobbles up my RAM. And since I only have 8GB, it's only noticeably faster for a short while, then it bogs down when I try to do stuff like merge a 20-image panorama, or export 200+ files.

But, across the board, I'm hearing nothing but good reports from folks who have more ram and better CPUs than me. Yours is literally the first of dozens of reports I've heard that are saying it is flat-out slower. Sorry that your system isn't playing nice.

It seems, in my opinion, that LR CCC tops out at around 3 or 4GB of RAM usage (at least on my system) but taxes the CPU on both of my systems. I downsized my catalog (went through and culled photos & removed about half thus decreasing my catalog size by almost half. I also removed smart previews for the time being (need to rebuild them). But regardless, it does seem to hog memory. If you're not running a computer with 4 cores or more, you will notice slow-downs. I'd recommend 12-16GB of RAM and a quad core at least, for doing most tasks in LR. You can work with less, but it's much slower.

On my Core i5 dual core Dell laptop with 12GB of RAM, I cannot multi-task when LR CCC is open (I can't listen to music while photo editing) but on my desktop (quad core with 16GB of RAM) multi-tasking isn't an issue (listening to music + photo editing). Smart Prevews will also slow down any computer because of how they work and the additional load they put on the CPU/memory.

I am running a Mac Mini 2.3 Ghz Intel Core i7, 16GB 1600 MHz DDR3, and standard hard drive. Huge increase in speed.

They don't suddenly enable in-program updates for everybody but do it gradually so their servers can cope. It'll be along. I just checked for updates in LR and it's there for me.

That's true, what happened to good old-style EXE installers?

Yeah, I use Photoshop CS4 with Lightroom 6 on Windows 10. No issues for me, nor do I anticipate any for the foreseeable future.

I doubt they will cut the cord on LR6 perpetual users any time soon, or at least for the next 2-3 years. I mean, they haven't shutdown LR5 users yet (yes, LR5 was released before the subscription model) but Adobe knows that many people bought the standalone perpetual license who don't want the subscription. Now, given time, they probably will make it impossible to use LR6, but that is still at least a few years away. LR6 users probably won't see anymore updates obviously, after this year-end update, though.

Hello
It might not be the OS that breaks Lightroom, but the Adobe servers that underpin the licencing and codes

If they break faith in such a transparent - and likely illegal - way, I don't see many people fretting too much about simply pirating the software they already own and bought.

To be clear, you're talking about an update that would break the standalone version of LR6?

In many license agreements, the developer can "revoke" the license, and thus stop the legal use by the consumer at any time for any reason. Your purchase is really only a license to use the software. You don't own it, so Adobe can break it any time they want an there's little you can do, other than jump to another program. You could buy a program, and Adobe could cut the cord 30 days later if they wanted to, and there's not much you can do about it. But I doubt Adobe will be killing LR6 perpetual users' access any time soon. I mean, CS2 had about a 5 year run before they cut the cord on that, and you can still install some older versions of LR (such as LR5).

Well, one can get the installer on "some other" locations on the Internet, but still use a legit key while installing it ;)

That just stinks.

There is a cleanup tool you have to run to fix this issue. I had the same problem when I was trying out CC while I still had a CS6 license. You'll need to search Google or Adobe's site for it, but it worked for me. Basically, the uninstaller for CC trials don't fully remove the proper registry keys (at least in Windows) and therefore the installer still thinks trial CC apps are installed.