Earlier today, Sigma broadcasted a livestream wherein it gave updates on its mirrorless lens development efforts. The 30-minute detailed covered a number of topics regarding its ongoing efforts to develop more lenses for mirrorless camera systems, but one of the most interesting bits was a little tease of a forthcoming ‘DG DN Sports’ zoom lens at the 25:25 time mark.
Yasuhiro Osone, General Manager of the Product Planning Department at Sigma, didn’t reveal any specifications or even ranges for focal length for the unannounced lens, but did say there was more on the horizon for its growing DG DN Sports lineup, which already includes the following lenses:
For those unfamiliar with Sigma’s Global Vision lens nomenclature, the ‘DG” in a lens’ name indicates a lens designed for full-frame camera systems, while the ‘DN’ indicates a lens designed exclusively for mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras.
Rumors have swirled for a while now that a new 70–200mm F2.8 DG DN lens are on the way, but nothing has been confirmed at this time. For now, we’ll just have to wait and see for more information regarding how Sigma’s Sports line will expand.
This was discussed with the 100-400 DN. Unless there is a special negotiation with Sony, there will only be L-mount teleconverters for these lenses since the access to E-mount excludes the option.
Lets hope that Sigma doesn't put a stepper motor in it, like they did with their new 28-70/2.8. Stepper technology sort of works there because that's a cheaper lens for general use.
This sports lens needs to be able to do better than the 15fps limit that the other Sigma sports lenses have.
Maybe ask Sony to remove the software cap for adapted lenses as sigma lenses doesn't seem to have such a hard limit on their native mounts or adapted on RF. It completely depends on the lens and it's setting. As example, I could take the 120-300 out and it was slow, the slowest focusing lens of the sports line I think especially when an 1.4x is added (the main reason why I haven't borrowed/tried it a second time and thrown away any idea of saving up money). The 60-600 however allow high shooting speeds as long as you leave the aperture open. Stepping 1/3 stop down results in slower shooting speeds. 150-600 isn't that hard when stopping down however is just a very slight tad behind with open aperture. For the others, well I haven't tested them yet but I think they're the fastest of the sports line and should keep well up if the camera allows it.
Sony is not artificially limiting it's own lenses, that would be a dumb move. Even the cheap FE50/1.8 does 20fps.
Sigma doesn't have a higher fps rate on rf-mount. Rf-mount has it's own share of fps limits, like no support for most 1st-gen Canon-brand lenses at 12fps with the mechanical shutter, per the Canon manuals.
@Bank Shot As I explained the lenses are focusing at different speeds and that speed changes depending on the situation. The same frame rate for a lens that is slower than with a faster one smells pretty much like a software cap (which Sony does of course, adapted EF lenses were limited to 3fps previously; 10fps with the A9).
I recently took some photos with one of the sigma sport lenses of running cheetahs and it worked at 20fps - adapted on a canon body of course. So it is up to 20fps with action which raises the question why just 15fps on the sony? It could be a reason that there is a limit to be sure it works with internal timings (clock signals) or something else.
There came something to my mind. Canon updated the communication protocol between the body and the lens some years ago resulting in better af speed and hit rate when both the body and the lens supported it. These lenses with the updated protocol are also on Canons list for high speed shooting with the R5/R6 while the older ones are mostly categorized for the slower shooting speeds. It could be that Sony also has different protocol versions and the adapter supports translation to a version capable of controlling the af up to 15fps but that is just an assumption but one that'll make sense.
#PredatorsPrey - "Sony does of course, adapted EF lenses were limited to 3fps previously; 10fps with the A9)"
Because adapted ef-mount lenses look like a-mount to the Sony body, they have the same limitations.
Supported Sigma lenses on the mc-11 look like e-mount lenses to the Sony body, and there is no fps limitation with e-mount glass. The fact that Sony has at least 23 e-mount lenses that do 30fps proves that.
Sigma e-mount lenses and mc-11/supported Sigma lenses have the same 15fps or ceiling on the a9, so I don't see how it can be a Sony issue.
Sony 200-600 is better than Nikon 200-500mm 5.6 ,sigma will not make 200-600 f4-5.6 it would be really heavy and expensive ,i would like to a 500mm f4 from sigma with out the the sony gm tax ,which is more probable ,if it is just a another super zoom ill bow out ,best bet would be a fresnel designed lens like the nikon 500mm 5.6.
FWIW f/5.6 to f/6.3 is just 1/3 of a stop... f/5.6 at 600mm means at least the same size up front as a 300/2.8 (simple math) but probably longer. Price will be up a notch too.
sigma 200-500 2.8 just to expensive. They can make longer lens today not so heavy I have 100-400MM Fuji crop @ 5.6 constant aperture 1900.00 and it's very sharp and I do hand held shots a lot, but If I got a 600mm full frame on my Sony A64000 will get me 900MM range, I just don't like the idea 6.3 even if only 1/3 stops
@azinheira The Sigma 200-500 appears every now and then for a price quite a lot lower than the 200-400/180-400 f/4 which actually would look cheap towards what a 200-600 f/4 will cost and weight.
I would throw down for a Speed Booster EF adapter and shoot that 70-200 on my Fuji, achieving f2 capture and actual equivalent f2.8 70-200 field of view.
Or Sigma could, you know, make the rumors they've sown into reality and give us Fuji mount versions of their MILC lenses.
It's the same amount of "open" to third party adapter manufacturers as Sony's "open" marketing stunt, err, mount. As in: Nope. The adapter makers have to back-hack both systems.
They share with Sigma and Tamron-and it's a subset of their protocols. They have *never* shared any of their protocols with any third party adapter vendor.
That's the reason why initial releases of the Smart Adapter from Metabones for Canon EF to full frame Sony E mount (as different from the Speed Booster for APS-C E mount) couldn't autofocus for the first year or so til they were able to reverse engineer the AF protocols. Caldwell reached out to Sony repeatedly, with offers to pay, and were rebuffed. There have been a number of forum threads about this here.
Oddly, the lens shown at the 25:25 time mark is the current 60-600mm f/4.5-6.3 DG OS HSM | Sports, an SLR lens, not a forthcoming DG DN lens.
The title of the slide, DG DN Sportsラインの不在, means 'Absence of the DG DN Sports line'.
By the way, the so-called 'growing DG DN Sports lineup' (according to this article) includes exactly zero lens. The five Sports lenses shown above are DG OS HSM lenses, i.e. SLR lenses, not DG DN lenses (lenses designed for mirrorless cameras).
I think that will just work with making them slower as well as glass in specific diameters will always weight a certain amount. Making the case material thinner or using thin plastic wouldn't help either as a lens shouldn't break in half after a slight drop or bump or it wouldn't be sports line.
While I'm not sure it will be the one they are talking about, it wouldn't surprise me to hear they are working on a 200-800 variable f/8 lens. Not having to fool a AF sensor in to thinking it has plenty of light opens lots of doors.
Sigma is on a roll ! Every DG DN introduction of theirs, whether it be in the Art line or whether in the Contemporary line, have always been interesting.
I hope they introduce DG DN versions of a 35/1.4, 50/1.4 and the 70-200/2.8, using the compact design language adopted for their 85/1.4 DG DN and the 28-70/2.8 DG DN.
Sigma is perfectly positioned to take advantage of the growing mirrorless lens market. All they have to do is follow through. I really hope the do. I've become a big Sigma fan in the last few years.
It's worth noting that the zoom rings are reversed on both Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 and the newly released 28-70mm f/2.8. If the new zoom lens is the same, I'll skip it regardless of how good it is. It'll mess up the muscle memory you developed for years.
Sigma, we're still waiting for the three f/1.4 DC DN lenses for the X mount. You already make them for the EF-M and E mounts so the hard part is done (creating the optics). Oh, and while you're at it, some of your DSLR lenses would be nice, too. Like the 18-35 and 50-100 f/1.8, 100-400, 150-600.
I didn’t say you should use a Panasonic for sports. That said sports lenses have other uses. Many consider the Canon 200/2.0 to be one of the greatest portrait lenses. Many also consider that a sports lens.
This train of thought is like saying only wide angles are landscape lenses. Pretty closed minded. Isn't this an artform? A craft? Sometimes, new photogs are too literal and technical.
I bought mine in 2004 and it still works great on my D850. Haven't tried it on my Z7 yet. The advantage of the D850 is that I can get 4,000+ images with one charge of the battery grip.
I don't think a zoom lens with a 1.5x reach ever makes sense, you'll be better off with a 400mm prime and a bit of cropping. Once you make a zoom lens you're adding a lot to the size, weight and complexity while hurting the IQ, so there has to be enough reach to make it worth it. Even on the short end 2x is the minimum like 12-24mm or 16-35mm, on the long end 2.5-3x is typical. But maybe Sigma could take a look at the Sony 200-600mm and see what the least compromise they could do on a $1000 budget is.
I get your point, but I wonder if there is another way of looking at it.
I have a 150-450. It’s great, but I use it at 450mm 90% of the time. But the 500mm prime (ancient) available for my system Is far too much.
Wouldn’t I be better off with a narrower zoom range, biased toward the long end? I mean, I’m barely using the short end now, and the only thing I get for my IQ compromise is a lower price.
I like Jason’s idea. It seems like a variation on Canon’s 600-800 F11 lenses. I won’t get the IQ of a 600mm prime, but there will be fewer IQ compromises if the range is only 400-600, plus the savings. That seems like win-win for many people.
@Adam007 Canon's 600mm/f11 and 800mm/f11 are two separate fixed focal length lenses, there's no 600-800mm zoom option. That also makes them primes, even though they're not the super expensive low aperture primes you normally see.
Asking for affordable primes in the 400-600mm range is very different from asking for a 400-600mm zoom. The former could make sense, though I wonder since Canon had to go all the way to 600mm/f11 if the cost is dominated by the large glass anyway. But I still don't think the latter makes sense at all.
I know the Canons are primes. My point is that Jason’s idea is a further evolution of that concept. What concept? As much FL as you actually need, at lower cost than the best primes.
I doubt a 400-600mm is harder to manufacture than a 200-600. If nothing else, I assume the former would be lighter - for that alone, it’d be worth it to me.
Zeiss was big and profitable enough to absorb the losses of their concept ZX-1. There's no way that thing sold enough to recoup its development costs, at least not counting how its ideas and lens could be used on later, more affordable iterations of the same type of camera.
I bet it will be a brand new version of the legendary 200-500/2.8. It is a shame that it is not available for mirrorless cameras unless you want to carry the extra weight of a mount adapter ;-)
Just googled that one, wasn't disappointed. At 15.7 kg / 34.6 lbs, it does indeed seem like a poor choice for a sports lens, unless that sports is heavy lifting.
It's kinda neat checking them out with the older Sony stuff. For instance, comparing the old A-mount 70-200 2.8 G SSM II with the new E-mount 70-200mm 2.8 GM. If I remember, the front three groups are essentially the same, just with higher-quality glass, while everything behind it is completely different. Meanwhile, on the A 16-50 2.8 SSM, versus the E 16-55mm 2.8 G, not even the front group is completely the same. The first four elements are the same, but the rest have some differences. Again, once you get past that, the rest of the groups are almost completely different.
I have the Sport 120-300 in EF that I use on L, and m43, it is a fine lens along with the matching converters. I am predominantly a SIgma glass user, EF mount, and for me to buy in to the DG DN in would have to be a 200/f2, 300/f2.8/, 600/f4 purpose built. I find that between the MC-21, and my set of Metabones speedboosters and adapter that I can do well on EF, m43, and L just switching out camera bodies.
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