A new video from YouTuber and former host of DigitalRevTV Kaiman Wong compares the Sony RX0 and the GoPro Hero6, putting Sony's miniature camera up against GoPro's latest flagship action cam.
Many are hailing the 1-inch sensor Sony RX0 as a "GoPro killer," and despite the fact that it isn't even explicitly marked as an action camera, both the RX0 and the Hero6 are capable of shooting in similarly challenging environments. Each camera ultimately brings its own features to the table, raising the question Kai's video attempts to answer: which one is better?
Ridiculous ... We use tons of GoPro's on National Commercials. We DON'T use 4K ... we always shoot in 1080 ... and in 1080 you have a number of Angles of View, Super Wide, Linear (de-fished in-camera), Wide, Medium and Narrow. So ... he could have done a Direct Comparison of the two cameras. The GoPro in 1080, using ProTune, matches very well with our main Arri Alexa cameras. As I said, we use them all of the time ... you just don't notice it because they are so good. Vette commercial: https://images46.fotki.com/v1637/fileX4AO/4eb9f/3/43793/8928184/GoProHell.jpg
This is just wrong, it's not an action cam and pitting it against one is wrong. Or how about pitting the Hero against it in multi-cam tethering and non-fisheye stills photography?
Sony should call this version .05. Small screen, overly expensive, too narrow for intended audience, and no ecosystem support like gopro. Even the Professional may not be that impressed unless he/she can easily integrate it in their system. Tough sell Sony. Wait for version 2.0.
The review is quite informative... with surprising results.
External gimbals are getting better, and hopefully we can see a full frame sensor in this form factor soon, but with a robust external (but compact) gimbal.
Otherwise smaller imaging sensors have a significant advantage of being able to incorporate digital tracking, and even more efficient and robust optical stabilization.
On the side point of this video, I would contend with Hero 6 stabilization being much better than Hero 5. Or rather dismissing the Hero 5 stabilization capabilities so easily as "manure".
Hero6 basically incorporates what video editing software does to stabilize right in camera. Hero5 stabilization is actually comparable in many applications.
A more significant difference is the significantly different colour (Canadian spelling) engine , with the Hero6 favouring more saturation/vibrance.
I love Kai. If you dont get his humor you might not hear his genius. He is very knowledgeable and points out things many reviews miss. He is an acquired taste, but I find him very informative.
This guy's reviews are more about him and his ego than the product, so I just don't bother to watch anything of his anymore. Pity dpreview uses his videos.
There's actually a "more in depth comparison review" of RX0 vs GoPro 6 on YouTube made by Iphonedo... funny and to the point (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqXtfE_wGI8&t=137s) for those interested in the subject.
I don't watch any videos where I see a person making exaggerated facial expression in the thumbnail. And you know what, that helps to get more quality content.
There's nothing wrong with this video, other than having to listen very close to wade through Wong's London accent. It's actually good to hear someone say the obvious.....the best camera isn't always the best camera, technically.
Those of you who are critics of critics or their critiques might consider whining less and shooting more. As your mother used to say, "Go outside and play."
@Boeing skipper. "I miss the good old days when Dpreview was just a website publishing good quality cameras and lenses reviews."
Times have changed. It's called Social Media. You can't blame DPR. If they don't change with the times they will lose business and followers to other more up-to-date camera review sites. That's just the plain reality. Except it or.....
Alive and well. You get to choose on too of that the quality of content you see and hear here. Most of what DPreview does means little to me, but a few highlight offerings are quite nice. Expansion for the good? Your call.
So GoPro thinks its cameras are worthy of the hero name? Tell that to first responders. I would never buy one of their products due to that arrogance. I didn't look at the video, either.
Let me explain the play on words. Go Pro Hero. The camera is not the hero, the person holding it is and the suggestion is to go to professional levels.
Worst reviewer ever, never finished the video. Take some time on your next review Kaiman and script what you are going to do instead of this ad-hoc babble.
Although his videos are highly produced, Kai is the most obnoxious, condescending, disrespectful, purebred a-hole on earth. He needs to be tied to a post, and horsewhipped.
What a shame he is featured and promoted on DPR…..
Of course I’m just being facetious when I said he should be whipped.
But he is very disrespectful of the equipment, and of the great efforts of others to design and build the gear that he regularly spits on. I see him as a disrespectful spoiled rich boy from Hong Kong, who is condescending and arrogant. I don’t like the way he disrespects the efforts of others. I prefer Matt Granger or The Camera Store’s more humble and objective reviews over Kai’s subjective and condescending clowning. Just my 2 cents.
Kaimon Wong is Grade A hole. He doesn't deserve a space in DPReview. He is full of himself. He got booted out of DigitalRevTV. He deserved it. And now he is in YouTube, too? What a clutter.
Huh, I just checked, there STILL is a DigitalRevTV channel ... and I'm still subscribed to it to boot! I haven't watched it in years ... I'm checking it out now. The new host seems to have a rather pleasant diction.
Do you really know he got booted? Where are your sources? And what if he did? Allot of people get booted and are still fine contributors. Kaimon is still out there swinging for the fence in content. I don't care for everything he does, but that is true of allot that is out there. Just saying.
I really like the idea of having a camera this small without that ugly fisheye distortion, but the price (Sony tax) is just way too steep for me. This is a long time trend with Sony. They have good ideas and decent products, but then they set the price too high.
What are you talking about? Sony is killing like noone else - betamax, dat, minidisc, umd, memory stick - all dead and gone - and that's just from the top of my head. Only other company that is killing as much is probably Google...
Not all of us have the time to search "other media outlets". But I understand how seriously tiring it can be to spend 1,000 mill-seconds scrolling past this article.
Probably they do not have much of their own stuff to publish. So you see thise ads like for this sony and reposts. . Unfortunately we can not leave comments under add (Like Paralax ad shot with Sony). So will do it here. Ad shows 0 benefits of particular Sony solution over competing products. Ad shows that if you spend 50k on post,rig and crew for 2 minutes video you can get same result even with a cellphone. There are trackload of saples on youtube. . Also i understand that website should be financially sound. But then whats next? Ad for hallucinogenic mashrooms that improve perception of footage quality? :)
Gopro wins hands Down for the uses Kai has demonstrated here. The sony is too expensive and under featured for 'traditional' small cam usage. Not to forget the dedicated Mounts, drone, gimbal system and 3rd party Products that the gopro family has at it's disposal. I can see the sony being the better option for 4k broadcast, but then you need the external recorder, Cage, screen, tripod etc. I am pretty sure Reggies parents would go for the gopro.
Just because somebody is on the internet or doing videos on YouTube doesn't mean they are expert reviewers. The fact is there is a lot more garbage than good when it comes to camera reviews. BTW, I did not watch the review. I'm basing it on previous reviews I've seen from this fool. I quickly realized he wasn't worth watching.
Personally for the price I don't understand why anybody would buy an RX0 when the vastly superior RX100iii is the same price. The RX100 and RX100ii are cheaper and still vastly superior.
peterwr Not satire. The RX0 and the RX100iii are both $700 at B&H. The RX100iii is vastly superior photographically and video wise to the RX0. I suppose there are some instances for a handful of people where the tiny size of the RX0 matters but it's still a lot of money just to get a smaller camera that is inferior in every other way.
<< I suppose there are some instances for a handful of people where the tiny size of the RX0 matters >>
And the ruggedness, and the waterproofness... That's why I suspected satire: the two cameras are explicitly aimed at two totally different markets. No-one who knew anything about photography, video or cinematography would seriously consider either of them for the other's use case.
If you'd watched the review, you would have heard Kai say it would make a good compact B camera or crashcam for a production that was already shooting on Sony cameras. He's right, it would - but a substitute for a GoPro in GoPro's target market it is not. Yet.
But if they develop it as fast as they've upgraded their other 1" cams, I'll be looking out for the mark ii or iii version with interest.
peterwr I understand what you're saying but why does it cost as much as an RX100iii when, aside from being water proof and more rugged, 2 things that shouldn't add much cost to such a small simple camera, the camera is far simpler in construction compared to the RX100iii.
Many people complain about the price of the RX10iv but that camera is in most ways demonstrably superior to others of it's type.
That's pretty much why - waterproofing and ruggedising don't come cheap. Plus they're spreading the production cost/profit margin over a smaller production run compared to the RX100.
peterwr "That's pretty much why - waterproofing and ruggedising don't come cheap."
It can't cost more than a few extra dollars to make it waterproof and rugged. I have a small LED all metal waterproof flashlight that is rugged as hell and cost less than $20.
"Plus they're spreading the production cost/profit margin over a smaller production run compared to the RX100."
If you think about it strapping the vastly superior fault free perfect in every way replaces the need for any other camera RX100 to a skate board at high speed may be a way of keeping it cool enough to record more than 5 minutes video.
I drooled over GoPro for years, waiting for the time when I would have enough $$$ to buy one - especially after seeing a while back the founder of GoPro being interviewed by CBS Morning Newscasters, including Charlie Rose before he was exposed and truncated for you-know-what. But during those years, and even after the CBS news show, I read a lot of distressing posts about the quality of GoPro's manufacturing, about equipment failure, etc. So, I say it's time for me to check out Sony RXO.
The problem is the sensor - it's never going to be as cheap, and manufacturers like Xiaomi simply don't buy enough 1" chips to get a good price (they'd need to release plenty of new models with larger sensors, and maybe add some to their phones, too). I'm pretty sure that Sony have confidence in retaining this niche market for themselves alone for at least a couple of years.
It's like comparing a fisheye lens with a 24mm rectilinear lens. The two cameras have completely different intended use. Check the PARALLAX video above for the RX0's real potential.
Yeah, some people just don't get it. The choice of optics (rectilinear, moderate WA) is a dead giveaway that this camera is intended for film makers and higher end videographers. They normally detest the fisheye-y wide angle sportscam/gopro look. And they normally don't mind using an external recorder if there is a notable gain in image quality and improved ease of use in PP pipeline.
It's a good video if you're looking for fun but awful if you're here for consumer advice. RX0 is a production camera for a specific set of tasks (VR shooting, drone stabilized shooting, multicam shooting) where is GoPro is as an action camera. Hero6 is more in line with likes of Sony FDR-3000, because RX0 is clearly a very needed, but a niche product.
First video by Kai (I acrually love the guy) where I'm actually confused by the whole idea of comparing the presented cameras. His review on new Hassel body is way better.
Um, this is a photography website, so it shares news relating to photography and to photography-related equipment. Many people may not have heard of the original story. (Me, for instance!) Now, I don't *care* about this particular story, as it happens.
But for you to whine about a site sharing stories from other sites seems misplaced. Unless a site makes the claim that "All our stories are original.", I fail to see the problem. If a story shows up that does not interest you, then ignore it. If you see a story that you've seen elsewhere, then ignore it.
DPR has gone way downhill, IMO; so I'm not reflexively defending it. Just this particular situation. :-)
Actually yes, I believe there is an issue. Dpr is a news and review website, their job is to write news about the photog world. My comment is made from a legal standpoint, but this feels like highjacking the work of another "journalist", Kai. Of course, Kai will get views and thus revenues from this publication on dpr, as will dpr with advertisement. Though, the work of testing, editing etc.. was performed by Kai, not dpr; they are only using his work. It's a youtube video, most people are fine with link toward YT, but the process is exactly the same with an article. What if Dpr was posting a link toward an article on PetaPixel or FocusNumerique ( lol) regarding a gear test/ battle?
Maybe you don't know who Kai is, but that video has been published for 2 weeks now with 185,694 views. Many people won't limit themselves to DPR for their photography fix.
ZB, God, I hope people don't limit themselves to DPR for their photography news. Since my photography passion (and my main photography-based source of income) is fine are Lith printing in a darkroom, DPR obviously has little relevance to most of my own work.
Thomartin, I (respectfully) disagree with you. I think DPR is to write news about photography AND to aggregate news from other sources. If it does its job well, then they get lots of eyeballs. For the original articles and ALSO for compiling a list of articles, reviews, etc that its core audience finds appealing.
I, personally, think it's great that DPR acts as sort of a clearinghouse for articles. And the other 5-10 photography websites I regularly visit do the same thing. Some do it more successfully than others, some less successfully. Some are free, some are behind a paywall, and some are a mix of the two.
It could be nice if at least the news is up to date. The Leica Safari stolen at The Camera Store was recovered 4 days ago and DPR published the "news" today.
@Thomartin - I really doubt that @kaimanwong is upset about DPR sending traffic his way. That’s how this stuff works. In most situations I’d kill for that kind of exposure - visitors to my website, my YouTube channel, my Instagram. It’s all currency. That stuff converts into business for me, even at my social level.
I've been following Kai ( and previously DigitalRev) for longer than Dpr. I fully understand your point, this is surely a win-win situation, and Kai make his income for trafic on his YT/Ig/whatever , the more there is, the better. @santamonica812, dpr is not my sole source of info, and I fully understand your point of view. As a user I take advantage of drp gathering content I wouldn't have come across otherwise. I still consider myself new on dpr and was surprised to see something that appeared like a regular news only to be redirected to YT, some someone else's channel. Now, I imagine dpr staff asked for Kai's permission. Maybe it could be great to label such publications with a "link" or "partner" label, just as there is a "sponsored" label. That way it would be clear, what is dpr's original content and and what is compelling content they found on the net and friendly links.
@santamonica812: how the hell did you know i'm French? :)
I wonder the same thing. I visit a half dozen photography sites and they all seem to share a lot of the same content. Original content is what I'm looking for.
@ZeBebito - kill may be a bit much, but I guarantee that in this world of social media currency, ever single click/view/share counts. New followers over and above what you’ve already got means new revenue one way or another. Besides, this is relevant content from DPR - it’s a look at 2 different digital cameras in similar situations. I don’t get why people get so upset about what DPR chooses to publish, whether that’s editorial, reviews, opinion, or reporting. It’s THEIR website! When you buy a Magazine you might skip past content you don’t like or if you consistently don’t like the content you might choose to not purchase the magazine at all. The only difference is that with DPR you don’t have to pay to skip content, and generally with the magazine you’re not obliged to complain so vocally. It’s because it’s the internetz, isn’t it?
at about 4:20 to about 4:30 look at the texture of the asphalt up close its fine but as it retreats to background it izs instantly smoothed giving the ground a bizarre sharp artificial boundary where ground detail is rendered and where its smeared out of existence ...i had look several time to be sure I was seeing the garbagey rendering and overprocessed noise suppression ... its really an awful implementation
Textbook example of what poor bitrate will give you. Resolution and frame rate is butchered when it all has to go through a thin pipeline. And this is one of the reasons why a RX0 with a "bulky" external recorder is a feasible solution for production companies. The RX0 in a tight or exposed place, the recorder in a more protected space in the vicinity with an HDMI cable between with a clean UHD 422 10-bit feed.
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