The iPhone 8 Plus is the best smartphone camera DxOMark has ever tested

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2017/10/01/apple-ios-11-0-1-ios-11-release-battery-life-crashes-problems-bluetooth-performance/#74cbb8db5d95

"iOS 11.0.1 Starts Causing Problems":

Oct 3, 2017permalink

Dveed

Mmmm... Lumia 950 win again...
http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/22478_Camera_head_to_head_Lumia_950_.php

Oct 1, 2017permalink

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2017/09/29/apple-news-digest-iphonex-iphone8-speaker-ios11-macos-highsierra/#61495a6738b1

Speaker Problems:

"iPhone Speaker Problems Confirmed, How Tim Cook Killed iPhone 8"

Sep 30, 2017*permalink

http://shanghaiist.com/2017/09/29/iphone-8-explodes.php

'explodes' :

"iPhone 8 Plus handset allegedly 'explodes' while on charge"

Sep 30, 2017*permalink

https://qz.com/1091071/reports-suggest-customers-apple-iphone-8-phones-are-exploding-aapl/

falling apart:

"Apple is looking into reports that some iPhone 8s are falling apart"

Sep 30, 2017*permalink

MLP120

I bought the iPhone 8+ last Friday when they came out. I only bought one because my iPhone 5 finally died. I don't understand why so many people get so uptight and argue that one phone is better than the other. I use mine for my job and having a camera with me for a quick photo of something is a plus. If I want professional results, I will use a SLR or DSLR for that. I say buy something that makes you happy and don't get so worked up with test scores and "mine is better than yours" crap. Life's too short, smile and be happy.

Sep 29, 2017permalink

Alberto de Harenne

This test is fake, last Samsumg was S6 Edge ? S7 Edge is better to Iphone 7, and S8 Plus better than Iphone 8. Dont try to make Apple marketing here!

Sep 28, 2017permalink

https://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-iPhone-8-Plus-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-8-video-stabilization-comparison_id98404

Fake! LOL! It's not Apple marketing, it's reality. Almost every review online concludes that the iPhone 8 Plus camera is superior to any Samsung.

Sep 28, 2017permalink

maverick786us

No doubt. iPhone 8 plus has a very good camera. This test might be fake. They should have compared it with Galaxy Note 8. I own an iPhone 6s Plus. but I am not a an apple fan. A fair comparison is between iPhone 8 plus, iPhone X and Galaxy Note 8. They are putting previous generation models into the comparison?

Strange thing, iPhone 8 Plus doesn't even have an OIS

Sep 28, 2017*permalink

Mariano Pacifico

Just recently released iPhone 8 is $300.00 off at Verizon ... They got to else it will gather dust in the shelves ...

Sep 26, 2017permalink

LOL. That deal is when you sign up for Verizon Unlimited AND trade in select phones. It's basically the same kind of deal Verizon has been offering for a while, like when Samsung came out with the S8, which is now available at 50% off.

Sep 27, 2017permalink

mailman88

The iPhone 8 Plus is the best smartphone camera DxOMark has ever tested....until the new Pixel 2 is released in October

Sep 26, 2017*permalink

It will be so close, who cares?

Sep 28, 2017permalink

Also, numerous tech sites have discussed the difference between Apple and android camera software and algorithms and it's well known that android has the worst camera software code which has been patched together from multiple old code sources. Apple, on the other hand has drastically more refined and polished code which runs the hardware much more efficiently.

Sep 28, 2017*permalink

davids8560

I don't know where all this is going. I don't know where I'll be 100 years from now. But I betcha my iPhone will smell better than me.

Sep 26, 2017permalink

I use both platforms. When looking for a phone camera a few years back, I tested them all and nothing came close to the resolution of the LG V10. My wife's iPhone 7 wasn't close at all nor my nephews' Pixel and Samsung Phones. There are suttle differences between them in terms of color renditions, dynamic range, etc.- all adjustable in post processing - but the LG's resolution especially when cropped is amazing. Not here bashing the iPhone, just to say if you are looking for the very best phone camera, forgo the marketing hype and physically test everything out there yourself. Crop in and examine resolution detail with your own unbiased eyes. I was blown away how much better the LG was above the competition. The LG V30 should be extremely competitive.

Sep 26, 2017permalink

I think you are confusing resolution with quality... 16mp will hold more details than 12mp regardless of any other specs...

Sep 26, 2017permalink

Thanks for the correction. The LG was sharper than the other cameras by a long shot. A picture of butterfly I took from over eight feet away when zoomed in, revealed hair on its back, distinct details in the wings, reflection in its eyes (what ever they are called) and details in flower it was sitting on. People are blown away when I show them this. The LG gathers so much information with little noise, it makes post processing a breeze. And, the in-camera post processing is excellent. I can only imagine the LG V30 will be even better. 8X10 enlargements have been super sharp and detailed. No so with the iPhone files I have shot.

Sep 26, 2017permalink

How were you able to test an iPhone 7 a few years back? I gotta get in on that gig.

Sep 27, 2017permalink

BelePhotography

Meanwhile they haven't tested a Samsung since S6... just saying. I'm sure iPhone is great, I'd just like to know how it measures up against S7 and S8.

Sep 26, 2017permalink

BelePhotography

I stand corrected - S7 just wasn't added to the list above. Why?

Sep 26, 2017permalink

..... or LG V30

Sep 26, 2017permalink

RUSTAM Radjapov

Great Article it its really informative and innovative keep us posted with new updates. its was really valuable. thanks a lot.

Sep 26, 2017*permalink

Never been really impressed with iPhone photos (I have a 6S Plus). They look good at the surface but usually look pretty bad if you try to crop. Always lots of noise or smudgy details. They work wonders with that tiny sensor but I just can't get excited about them. Samsung, Microsoft, and others have made/make superior cameras for years. I can't imagine the iPhone 8 or X really catching up.

Sep 26, 2017permalink

Read the reviews and comparisons, iPhone are on top of them all, or at lest equal to....

Sep 26, 2017permalink

Absolutely correct. I use both Mac and PC platforms. No real preference. When looking for a phone a few years back, the newly released LG V10 blew the competition out of the water. I zoom in on photos and people are blown away with the detail. No so with my wife's iPhone 7.

Sep 26, 2017permalink

JT26. The reviews don't really matter that much. Owning iPhones and Lumias I can say with 100% confidence that the iPhone photos, if examined a little closer, are not near as good as reviews claim. Still noisy and smudgy. I sometimes like to crop in just a little to re-frame a photo and that's something I wouldn't want to do on an iPhone. I can crop in on the Lumia and still have a great clear photo with high detail. Don't get me wrong, for casual use the iPhone is just fine. For something I want to preserve memories with, not so much. Here's a picture I took. Just zoom in on the bee to see what's impossible on the iPhone. https://www.dropbox.com/s/rzrw0lof1iwyax8/WP_20170902_14_49_49_Rich.jpg?dl=0

Oct 2, 2017permalink

Dansadre

NIce!!!

Sep 25, 2017permalink

Kevin Barrett

Finally, a worthy rival to the Nikon D850! JK :)

In all seriousness, mobile device innovation drives further innovation
in other image capture devices. We should be happy for that.
I didn't think mobile devices would get so good this quick.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

ripleysbaby

Wont be upgrading from my 6s, £800 is going to buy me a nice new lens !

Sep 25, 2017permalink

pca7070

iPhone 7 better than XZ Premium? What a joke.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

Quest21

I just googled some full size samples from XZ Premium and photos look awful.
Not big fan of Iphone 7 photos either...

Sep 25, 2017permalink

Correct, look at the reviews, Sony XZ is supposed to have a naf camera. Yeah a good sensor maybe but nothing to go with it.

Sep 26, 2017permalink

MikeFairbanks

I realize we've always paid for the phones one way or another, but now my provider doesn't offer any kind of incentive to upgrade phones. I called yesterday and they said it would be $29 a month for two years go upgrade from the 6s+ to the 8+. That is on top of the monthly fee we pay for cell service. We used to just get a new phone every two years (I guess they put the cost of the phone in the service plan or gave a discount somehow).

Anyway, I normally shoot with a Canon 6D anyway, but take a lot of snapshots with my 6s plus. I'm going to stay with what I have until it no longer works (and I have a second 6s as a backup that was given to me. Works great).

I just don't see the value of spending $800 to go from a 6s to the 8.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

Jason

When I made the switch from subsidized phone to cash purchase phone, my service charges went down about 40%. I'd rather pay less for my plan and have the flexibility to buy a used phone, pay cash, pay installments or continue to use my old phone. Not to mention, being off-contract makes it so I can switch carriers anytime.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

Shiranai

Funny the new iPhone scored first place JUST after they've come up with a new testing scheme which involves bokeh and zoom. Almost ironic it's so perfectly timed for its release.

May he be shamed who thinks badly of it :)

Sep 25, 2017permalink

phoenix15

Xperia XZ Premium is only 83 ??? Even the sensor maker doesn't make the top three list. Very strange.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

They have such awful JPEG processing algorithms. It's mind boggling knowing what they do on their other cameras as to how their smartphones make pictures so dang ugly.

Sep 26, 2017permalink

mbot

Strange that they omitted the "OnePlus 5" score from the list. It was 87.

My problem with iPhones is the weight (202gms in the case of the iPhone 8 Plus) and the amount of bezel around the edges, unacceptable.

I base my buying decision on the weight of the phone, assuming that the specs are up to snuff of course. At 173gms the Galaxy S8 is out of the question.

Fortunately the forthcoming LG V30 has all the finesse of the iPhone X (174gms) with the same all-screen design but is lighter at 158gms. The V30 also has an audiophile-grade Quad DAC/Amp for High Res music (B&O earbuds included), plus IP68, plus bluetooth 5.0, plus wireless streaming via aptX HD, plus an OLED screen with HDR10 support... and the LG V30 is definitely cheaper, so it gets my money. LG claim that the new cameras on the V30 will offer picture quality on-par with DSLRs, so this will be interesting indeed

Sep 25, 2017permalink

Brad Nishida

TheOnePlus 5 is not on the list because DXO recently change their scoring method. Only a few popular phones were retested with this new method.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

Just Another Photog

There is no way you can feel the difference in weight between the 8 and the V30. We’re talking about 44 grams

Make your selection purely based on weight is the most ridiculous way of selecting a phone I have ever heard. If weight is important check out this smart phone. http://gadgets.ndtv.com/unihertz-jelly-4140?site=classic

It’s weighs 13.30 grams. I ordered one and expect it this week.

Sep 26, 2017permalink

I just got the iPhone 8 Plus and 202 grams is no problem for me. But then again, I'm a real man and don't have those buggy whip arms which apparently you do. Try a few workouts at the YMCA and that extra 44 grams won't be an issue.

Sep 26, 2017permalink

HWB

@ Just Another Photog - can you do me a favour and check the weight of your Unihertz Jelly when it has arrived? I couldn't believe that it weighs only 13.30 grams so I checked - indeed that weight is given on some websites but here http://de.gsmchoice.com/de/katalog/unihertz/jelly/Unihertz-Jelly.html it says 60.4 grams (sorry, that site is in German). That should be better, at 13 grams it probably would fly away in a breeze.

Sep 26, 2017permalink

Tactical Falcon

Revolution was done when Steve Jobs started it all. The next big thing has yet to come beyond what we already know. It is a phone. You could buy a cheaper phone and buy a way better camera, or you could buy this maybe. I'm not, but hey somebody has to be 1st for now. Will Samsung or Google answer? Stay tuned.

Sep 25, 2017*permalink

CaPi

I checked out the devices at the local Apple Store. Guess what I found?
It's a phone.
Expensive.
Evolutionary vs revolutionary (marketing tries to tell us that revolution will take place in Oktober)
But guess what, again?
That will be a phone, too.
Again.
#relevance?

Sep 25, 2017*permalink

MikeFairbanks

I think a lot of us are beginning to see what you're saying: saturation.

While the early iPhones made really big steps (going from 3g to LTE, going to UHD and stabilization, and faster processors), the steps now are so incremental that it isn't just one generation that can skip an upgrade, but two generations.

So if you have a 7, you don't need to upgrade. But now even the 6s series is good enough.

You have to go back to the 6 or 5 in order to really need to upgrade (those all have 1gb of RAM and slower processors).

I have no finger on the pulse of business or demand, but my instinct tells me this won't be a big seller (the iPhone 8 or X).

We shall see.

Sep 25, 2017*permalink

Ed P

The problem is that they build-in planned obsolescence with the new battery designs. So your phone performance and batter-life starts to degrade by quite a bit after 2 years... but you can no longer just swap-in a new battery; you have to buy a whole new phone. Robbery.

Whomever has a phone with a replaceable battery will get my money in the future...

Sep 25, 2017permalink

Actually not.

It's a phone.
It's a music player.
It's a video player.
It's a gaming device.
It's a GPS.
It's a digital compass.
It's a great quality photo camera.
It's a great quality video camera.
It's a calculator.
It's a computer.
It's a web browser.
It's an email device.
It's an instant message device.
It's a flashlight.
It's a scanning QR reader.

Just to name a few . . .

Sep 26, 2017permalink

BigEnso

@Ed P, I agree. I'll be keeping my Samsung Galaxy Note 4 for a while yet just because of the replaceable battery. And the earphone jack. And the upgradeable memory. And the microUSB cable.

Oh, and lets not forget durability. Was riding my motorcycle a while back and the phone decided to do a crash landing at about 30 kph. The cheap case came off, the back came off, the battery came out, and it all slid about 10 feet on the pavement. I picked it up, put the battery back in, put the back on, put it back in the case, and turned it on. Worked like a charm. The only damage to the phone was a couple of scratches on the tempered glass screen cover. Why do I think the new glass iPhone (or the Samsungs for that matter) would fair as well?

Sep 26, 2017permalink

CaPi

@MikeF: I would not know how well it sells.. but you went right to the bone of the matter with identifying saturation.
I bought an iPhone SE when I accidentally drowned my previous smartphone - it being relatively new and available at a store at that time. It never failed me and I and use it a lot.
Despite the screen size I saw no reason to replace it with a 7 and am still hesitant if I should bother with the 8. QI charging is nice btw - I had that on a Nexus 6 I used for work.

Sep 26, 2017permalink

CaPi

@Quantum: Right you are - so are all the previous models.

Sep 26, 2017permalink

neo_nights

Is this new "computational photography" thing a fancy word for "water-colour pictures"?
I mean... on a screen, Instagram size, the pictures look really great for a smartphone. But if you see 100%, it's a watercolour mess!!

There's still a lot of things a small sensor CAN'T do, doesn't matter how good the processing, algorithms and whatnot are.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

Markosz

Take a look at this comparison: https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/asian_old_guy_apple_comparison-1024x350.png

Tiny sensors and phone lenses will never replace a DLSR with giant lenses.
But you have to give credit where it's due, how much phones improved in the past years (NOT just iPhone... somehow everyone talks only about them).

Sep 25, 2017permalink

vallhall

Do you need looking at them 100%?. I have no problem view my pics from S8+ on my imac 27 retina, and its not a watercolour mess!

Sep 25, 2017permalink

BillyBobSenna

For many subjects the modern day smartphone produces stunning results. If you don't think smartphones are impacting DSLR sales your dreaming.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

I'd bet a lot of money that my Lumia 950 can make a much better picture than any iPhone. No watercolor pictures there. When iPhones can get this kind of detail we'll talk. My iPhone 6S Plus can't do this (I've tried). No editing other than the crop. This is straight from the phone.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cmclhteqdavmq3z/Lumia%20950%20Crop.JPG?dl=0

Sep 26, 2017*permalink

davids8560

Lo siento. No hay credito.

Sep 26, 2017permalink

neo_nights

@Markosz: Yes, I agree completely! I do give credit where it's due.
But the way some people say/think that smartphones can substitute cameras with bigger sensor... well, it's far from it.

@Vallhall: No, I don't NEED. But what if I want to crop a bit? Those pictures are great for viewing them at a certain distance/resolution.
I'm not talking about 200% pixelpeeping here. Just see the image in its full 100% size. It's horrible!

@BillyBobeSenna: Well, I never said that the current smartphones aren't impacting dSLRs sales. I know they are. For many many many reasons (and some reasons dSRLS --especially MILCs-- it's amazing how 'big cameras' still struggle, like offering an easy, instant way to transfer/share your pics, like a smartphone does).
What I'm saying here is that I was expecting a much better image quality. And all I *STILL* see is a watercolor painting.

Sep 26, 2017permalink

BillyBobSenna

@neo_nights: You stated it again above that smartphones can't replace cameras with larger sensors. Smartphones do replace peoples cameras that include larger sensors. It happens all the time. You may not be happy with the replacement but for others it works.

Sep 26, 2017permalink

neo_nights

@BillyBobSenna - No. What I am saying is that I was expecting better image quality. Have smartphones improved a lot? Yes. Do they keep improving? Yes.
But, for image quality alone, doesn't matter how much the technology progress, there'll be always a limit called: sensor size.

And if one expects pure image quality, a smartphone can't beat a larger sensor. I'm just stating the obvious.
(the same way an APS-C can't beat a 35mm fullframe sensor. The same way a 35mm sensor can't beat a medium format one)

Sep 27, 2017permalink

Alphaville

Galaxy s8 camera are too wideangle for my taste anyway, unuseable for headshots.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

shooter45

""DXOmark measures image quality scientifically in numbers ...
Image Quality by ordinary people is measured subjectively ..."""

... perhaps you know who Ansel Adams was, right ? What he did with a very poor camera sensor and his zone technique was scientific ... in REAL LIFE ... not using any charts at all ... according to your statement, he belongs to the "ordinary people" group ... wrong !!

Sep 25, 2017permalink

Viqktor

DxOMark is fake and not objective. No Samsung S8, S8+ or Note8. No LG, etc.
By the way, if you realy want quality photo's you will shoot them with a real camera like a Nikon, FujiFilm, Sony or Olympus.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

shooter45

Personally, I do not really care what DXO says about anything. At the end of the day, it is how I feel with this or that camera or phone camera that by the way, I've never used and I will never use regardless how good it is.
But there is one thing that I would like to add that is related to what I said : the galaxy s8 plus ( that I recently bought to replace my iPhone 6s ), has been tested very poorly in the net by several known places in relation to how bad the iris, face or finger print scanners are .. and I can simply say that they are wrong because mine phone unlocks super quick using the iris scanner.
I am just simply impress because after reading too many negatives statements about this particular function, I was just curious to try it and now, after I personally tried mine, I can say it is awesome. Things are not what they seem to be ! Try it out and if you like it, then keep it and be happy, and if I want to photograph something, I will use either my D750 or D500. Period.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

scotthunter

Nice pocket snapper but I'd still rather carry my Canon G7X MkII with me. Only 12 megapixels, no manual controls and no optical zoom limits what you can do with a phone camera.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

Alphaville

Unbeatable for streetphotography, imho.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/0bddeaa4-8db6-3231-9700-a589415fc128/ss_iphone-disappointment-hammers.html

"IPhone Disappointment Hammers Suppliers, Fuels Taiwan Outflows"

Sep 25, 2017permalink

So who gives a rats a** about the opinions of Asian investors?

Sep 26, 2017permalink

Forget DXO for a moment, read all the reviews of the phone online, or all the camera comparisons, they are pretty much all saying the same as DXO, that the iphone 8 is the best out there.

For people saying 'large sensors cannot possibly be outscores by this little sensor'.... why not? Its already been said that when we are talking about tiny sensors, software, lenses, sensor technology, image processing (remember its powered by a monster chip) are all as or more important than just image sensor size!

So sure, DXO could just be losing their marbles... But every other reviewer out there is saying the same thing, that the iPhone 8 is the best smartphone camera on the market at the moment....

Sep 25, 2017permalink

ozturert

Can you show me 5 reviews that say "IPhone 8's camera is better than Note8, S8+, LG and HTC's flagship models"?

Sep 25, 2017permalink

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-8-plus-vs-galaxy-s8-plus/

Yeah sure...

Forbes summarise several sites here and almost all prefer the iPhone 8
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2017/09/23/apple-nails-it-iphone-8-plus-best-smartphone-camera-yet-says-dxomark/amp/

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-8-vs-galaxy-note-8-camera-shootout,review-4685.html

Sep 25, 2017permalink

What I'm trying to say is that most agree that iPhone 8 is at least as good if not better than all other phone camera in the majority of situations.. kinda proving that people who say DXO is lying are unsourced, the whole review industry cannot be wrong

Sep 25, 2017permalink

ozturert

It is good, just not worlds apart good. The "industry" gives that wrong impression, that's what I mean. As the IPhone sells fall, we have started to see too many "Apple rules" reviews.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

"For people saying 'large sensors cannot possibly be outscores by this little sensor'.... why not?"
Can you show me a review where a tiny little mobile camera sensor outperforms at least a 1' sensor?

Sep 26, 2017permalink

Ergo607

Nope, they never tested the Panasonic DMC-CM1... Of course there would be less revenue if it came known that a smartphone launched 4 years ago smashes this iPhone thingy. Talk about hype!

Sep 25, 2017permalink

ChuckTa

I looked at the DXO (thank god they finally post some images instead of just numbers) and am really puzzled on the Iphone 8+ fairly blurry low iso images. And this phone gets the top marks???
And then I read some of the comments and one poster point out the Samsung S8 almost has a higher number across all tests (ie. Color 85 vs 78, AF 92 vs 74, Texture 92 vs 64, Noise 92 vs 68 (wow, Iphone 8+ lose big here and is reflected in the real world images) ... etc )
So why on earth did Iphone 8+ gets a much higher mark then Samsung S8. Something is fishy in the tallying of the total ......

Sep 25, 2017permalink

duchamp

Interestingly, Samsung Galaxy S7 and S8 with 88 points each were omitted from this list. Oneplus 5 with 87 points as well as Meizu Pro 6s and LG G6 with 85 and 84 points respectively are also not there. But it was important to feature the Iphone 6 with below 80 points on that "Top 10 list".
Biased opinion?! NOOOOO! :)

Sep 25, 2017permalink

Hrvoje Crvelin

You should read more carefully - check once again S8 and check once again what it says in blue square on the top. It says "In 2017 the DxOMark Mobile test protocol has been updated to cover zoom, bokeh features, very low light performance, motion in the scene and other new test criteria. Image quality testing for this review was still undertaken using the original DxOMark Mobile test protocol from 2012. The results are not directly comparable to the new protocol but this article will still give you a very good idea of the test device's camera performance." So DxOMark should retest S8 and S8+ with their new testing procedure (one may wonder why S6 was retested first this month and not S8 as there is more interest in S8 I guess, but that is their own freedom of choice).

Sep 25, 2017permalink

duchamp

"one may wonder why S6 was retested first this month and not S8 as there is more interest in S8 I guess, but that is their own freedom of choice" - maybe for the purpose of this article they didn't want to show that there is any match to the new iphones?

Sep 25, 2017permalink

Kuzmabrik

For the same money I can buy a nice Android phone and a well enough APS-C camera))

Sep 25, 2017permalink

Good for you Sparkey! For the same price you could buy an Android phone and several hundred Snickers candy bars. Or you could buy 2 Android phones, 1 for each ear. Let's get creative here with what you could buy. The people who purchase an iPhone 8 generally have the resources and don't want an Android or any of the other crap that they could have bought.

Sep 26, 2017permalink

Kuzmabrik

Most of people that use IPhone do not have extra-money, actually. They buy it because "it is iphone" and it is cool and prestigious to have it. At least ads say so) They ignore the fact that it is a waste of money because much cheaper phones are able to do absolutely the same things. But looks like you are a brand fan, so you will not get it(

Sep 27, 2017permalink

PhotoUniverse

94? Whooooh

Sep 25, 2017permalink

ChuckTa

Based on the images and video I have seem on the web, I guess one need to go up to Iphone X to beat the Samsung Note 8.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/42fad570cd45bd7ae071f1817ca7847c4dad09aa1b0f3cb461dc34862aa40ba9.png?w=800&h=435

Same camera in there too though... nothing changes

Sep 25, 2017permalink

Albert Silver

I think their review's comments are a serious misrepresentation of their own data. On the one hand they write, "It is at the top of our scoring charts in nearly every category", but a look at the numbers of the Google Pixel, using their new revised numbers too, shows the Google having better contrast, exposure, color, texture, and autofocus.

In fact, it only loses to the iPhone, per their own data, in the newly included zoom and bokeh categories. Even the artifacts category the iPhone beat it in, is due to the artifacts introduced by Google's worse fake bokeh implementaton.

In normal stills, the Google Pixel is the one that is superior in almost every category. And that is with their own reported numbers. See for yourself below:

Sep 25, 2017*permalink

0lf

If you care about the marks (which, IMHO, are not really interesting), the pixel loose by 25 in bokeh (the only mark that don’t apply to “normal” stills), by 27 in zoom, by 23 in artifact, whereas the only significative lost of the iPhone is 24 for autofocus. Contrast and exposure : 1, color : 2, texture : 4, noise : 3, flash : 3 does not compensate for the larger differences, and are too low to make a visible impact on your results.
Personally, I gladly trade 1 in contrast and exposure, 2 in color and 4 in texture for 27 in zoom.

Sep 25, 2017*permalink

Albert Silver

You did not read what I wrote.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

0lf

what makes you think that ?
just step back a little, it is easier to see the whole picture.
Being 1 or 2 points under the best still qualify for being on the top of what is made, because the difference is not significant.

Sep 26, 2017*permalink

Coliban

@Albert Silver,

maybe you haven´t had a glance to the test pictures?

You should look at them, the iPhone Plus is much better in contrast, resolution, in general in the whole IQ which i am interested in. First i wanted to buy the iPhone 8 but now i will buy the Plus because i can´t get *today* a better camera in my pocket (what is tomorrow, i dont know).

I´ve been already satisfied with my iPhone 6, but the 8 Plus is levels better.

Sep 26, 2017permalink

xiao_xiang

Sounds like the IPhone 8/8+ really rocks in so many departments. Good camera. I even read for the CPU can out perform a core i5 in some benchmarks. Pretty impressive!

Even if these tests are all a bit of a con, things are heading in the right direction.

A DSLR still crushes the camera in every photography respect, and a PC does as well for computing. Portability and convenience is how the iPhone wins.

I just can't stand the Apple walled garden and the fans. Any fans really.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

thenoilif

Apple fan here as well as a pro photographer. Portability and convenience can be keys to photography as is being discreet. While its true that even the iPhone 8/8+ has its limitations when compared to DSLRs, from a purist standpoint, one can't deny the advantage of having such an amazing image taker/processor/sharer that is so easy to use and carry around. I think that for certain aspects of photography like street and photojournalism, iPhones have surpassed DSLRs. They are also making a run at portraiture and if they can master this 3D mapping tech they will jump ahead IMOP.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

Mark K

Has anyone here noticed that DxO Mark recently changed their scoring system for mobile phone, so that lower ranked iPHone 7 was pushed up to 2nd?
https://www.dxomark.com/introducing-the-new-dxomark-mobile-test-protocol/

I have iPhone 7plus, 6plus, 5s etc from 4. I can't deny iPhones generally produce great images with quality which are on par along with my Android phones. And I myself is a royal DxO Mark sensor test believer, though having strong doubt about their zoom lens scoring protocol.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

FeDost

Honestly, I don't believe in DxO anymore. They work with mobiles phone brands and they probably give these results for their own interests.

There's still some company/website who tests cameras and mobiles with sincerity?

Sep 24, 2017permalink

So, you're saying that DxO is taking money for favorable ratings? Seems like a baseless complaint from someone who doesn't like the results. Apple doesn't pay for reviews--not from DxO or any other camera site. For that matter, I don't believe Samsung or Google does, either. They don't need to.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

FeDost

I didn't say I don't like the results, I don't like lies. Many websites sell their reviews, DxO influence many photographers when buying new gear, can you imagine of a review which the title is "The best smartphone camera we’ve ever tested"?

Did you read the review's comments? There are many evidences of this.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

I assumed that you were complaining because you didn't like the outcome, as some many others here have done. Yet you accuse DxO of lying while providing no evidence or motive. You suggest they are selling their reviews, but to whom? Apple isn't buying them, it never even *mentions* DxO on its web site. A company that sells hundreds of millions of phones for the consumer is hardly concerned about buying off a photo technical site with a comparably tiny audience made up mostly of people who state they don't use cell phone cameras for "real" photography.

There's no lying or underhandedness. But certainly a lack of understanding by a lot of readers because DxO updated its benchmarks. It doesn't help that DxO didn't explain why it hasn't yet retested the Samsung 8. When they do, if it scores better than the iPhone 8/8+, the conspiracy theorists can make a case for "they just wanted the iPhone 8 to be on top for a while".

Disclosure: I don't on an iPhone, a Samsung phone or a Google phone.

Sep 26, 2017permalink

FeDost

@Timothy Hood you are right, I don't have real evidence to prove that but are you 100% sure that Apple or any other brand didn't buy technical review from a very influencing website? Some people buy their products after reading those reviews. Imagin that a famous photographer buys the last iPhone after reading the review on DxO, then his followers will buy the iPhone as well because he has one, and you know that some people rely on their photographs to the gear they are using. Apple know that and if they do buy the reviews they will not tell around, is called strategy market.

Sep 27, 2017permalink

I'm using logic and common sense. First, what do cell phone manufacturers have to gain buying off a review from a relatively obscure site that doesn't even specialize in cell phones? Marketing 101, you put your money where it will do the most good. Second, after spending all that money buying off a review site, why not promote the good review? It defies logic why Apple (or Samsung et al) would spend money for a good review and then just hope people find it buried on a technical photo site. Third, it would be much easier to create a "review" site of its own, obscure the ownership and then publish all the great reviews for its products that it wants (and disparaging reviews of the competition as well). That's much cheaper than paying off someone else. Finally, Apple (et al) doesn't even advertise on their site, which is commonly seen as the way manufacturers influence reviews (as in, "If we get a crappy review, we're pulling our massive advertising campaign from your publication".)

Sep 27, 2017permalink

The Silver Nemesis

Oh dear...
P. S.: one thing that caught my attenion on my i7P is not related to photography, but to the incredible amount of water this phone can stand. You can take a (serious) shower with it, guaranteed. It is the D5/1D-X II of the smartphones from that perspective, I think...

Sep 24, 2017permalink

The best phone camera still cant match a good old 1/1.7 sensor from a compact câmera.
The funniest part is to read that the nokia 808 is one of the worst phone cameras..LOL

Sep 24, 2017*permalink

james s. kennedy

True, but your compact camera can’t make phone calls or do email.

Sep 24, 2017permalink

true indeed, but since i prefer quality over convenience, i will use my phone for texting, calling and email...and my cameras for taking pictures

Sep 24, 2017permalink

shooter45

Well said worldcup1982 .... anyone has the right to think or do whatever they want. So be it. But I won't buy something just because DXO or any other reviewer in the net say this or that. It is what I want or how I feel what it does matters and nothing else. Phone cameras? Don't care about them at all and I do not send my pictures to anyone so they are for me to enjoy and use but not over the net.

Sep 25, 2017permalink

ozturert

DxO score doesn't take phone call quality or sending emails into consideration, does it?

Sep 25, 2017permalink