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Apple iPhone X offers dual stabilized dual-cam, goes edge-to-edge with HDR OLED

At its event in the brand new Steve Jobs Theater, Apple has today unveiled its latest iPhone models, the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus. Despite the direct step from the iPhone 7 to the 8 model number, rather than 7s, the new models look at first sight like fairly incremental upgrades.

The design is very similar to the iPhone 7 series but the phones now come with glass at front and back. The Retina displays still offer 4.7" and 5.5" diagonals and a wide color gamut. True Tone technology, which adjusts the temperature of the display in different surroundings, is also on board.

Both phones are powered by the new A11 Bionic six-core CPU which includes two high-performance cores, which are 25 percent faster than the current A10. The chip also comes with a new image signal processor (ISP) which, Apple says, helps improve low-light performance of the camera using multi-band noise reduction.

Other camera specs looks similar to the previous models. The iPhone 8 camera comes with a 12MP sensor that, according to Apple, captures 83 percent more light and is more power efficient than the predecessors. As before, there are a F1.8 aperture and optical image stabilization.

The 8 Plus main cameras is the same as on the iPhone 8 but there's a secondary 12MP cameras for zooming and depth effects that comes with a F2.8 aperture. In video mode both devices can now record slow-motion footage at 1080p and 240 frames per second. Portrait mode gets an upgrade too, with a new beta Portrait Lighting mode to imitate various lighting effects.

The iPhone 8 models are also the first iPhones to come with the Qi wireless charging standard. Storage options range from 64 to 256GB and pre-order for both models starts on September 15th. Shipping is envisaged for September 22nd. The iPhone 8 will start at $699, for the Plus model you'll have to invest at least $100 more.

The iPhone 8 models were not the only new smartphone at Apple's event, though. The company also had a "one more thing" announcement in the shape of the much rumored iPhone X. The X comes with a new design that incorporates a 5.8" edge-to-edge 2436 x 1125 pixel HDR OLED display, a first for Apple.

Like on the 8 models there is glass on front and back of the water and dust proof body which also does away with Apple's characteristic home button.

Instead there is now Face ID: the device uses a range of sensors at the front, including the 7MP front cam, in combination with neural networking algorithms for face recognition and unlocking the phone. In dark surroundings your face will be illuminated by a front LED for this purpose.

The rear camera is an improvement over the iPhone 8 Plus. The 12MP dual-cam comes with "larger and faster sensors", F1.8 and F2.4 apertures and optical image stabilization on both lenses which should particularly improve image quality of the tele lens in low light.

The iPhone X will be available in 64 and 256GB versions and set you back at least $999. It will be available on November 3rd. As usual, we'll have to wait a few days until the full device specs trickle through but let us know in the comments what you think about the latest iPhone camera configurations so far.

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0lf
0lf

So, according to exif data from DXO review, it turns out iPhone 8 do not use a larger sensor than previous iPhones : the focal length is still 3,99mm, as with iPhone 7

2 months ago*
noisephotographer

Yes, and equivalent focal length is 57mm according to Exif data. Though it could still be a larger sensor if it's a multi aspect ratio sensor.
So I don't know why Apple said that the new sensor "provides" 83% more light. 83% is lot and even the base iso (iso 20) is the same.

2 months ago*
noirdesir

Techninsights report, based on X-rays, that the pixel pitch on the wide-angle camera of the iPhone 8 is the same as on the iPhone 7: 1.22 μm. Given that the resolution is the same at 12 MP, the overall sensor size should be the same as well, aka, 1/3" (or about 4.8 x 3.6 mm = 17.30 mm²). The sensor of 'tele' camera has a pixel pitch of 1.0 μm, which corresponds to the 1/3.6" sensor size (same 12 MP resolution).

They also report that the die size is also the same at: 6.29 mm x 5.21 mm (32.8 mm²). I assume this means including all the peripheral electronic components. This is also pretty much the same number as on the iPhone 7 (32.3 mm²).

They think the sensor is now produced on the TSMC 28 nm line (whereas previous iPhones would use 40 and 65 nm lines).

http://techinsights.com/about-techinsights/overview/blog/apple-iphone-8-teardown/

1 month ago
NJOceanView

I'm coming late to this post but am wondering if anyone else has a concern with the lack of corners for the iPhone X image. It's a teeny proportion of an image, but for me I don't want to lose it. Do we just pinch it slightly to zoom out to see what's hidden behind those curved corners?

2 months ago
montypieman

Wouldn't bother me in the slightest. But, I have seen video of the iPhone X displaying images and video slightly reduced to show the corners in a perfect rectangle of content. I don't think much happens in those couple of pixels in the corner for most people to worry about.

2 months ago
NJOceanView

I saw that myself after posting this. Thanks for the clarification.

2 months ago
Mariano Pacifico

Here is a tip in iPhone ownership:
1. Do not buy a black iPhone ... else, it will just look like any other phones.
2. Do not buy a white iPhone ... else, it will just look like any other phones.
3. Do not buy protector for iPhone ... else, nobody would know if you have iPhone
4. You have to buy protector for iPhone X becaue if it drops it drops like a rock and hit hard and break and crash
5. You have to tell people next to you you have iPhone else nobody cares .... that is a lot of $800 to be snobbed ...
6. You must always turn it on so people next to you can know you have an iPhone
7. If you keep it turned on so people can know it is an iPhone you have to bring powerpack all the time ....
8. you must always take videos and pictures out of nothing at all just to show you got an iPhone

2 months ago
EricCul

You have been such a busy troll since the iPhone X announcement. One wonders what happened to you to make you so concerned with what other people spend their own cash on.

2 months ago
Gerard D C

"Mariano Pacifico", why are you spamming the Apple news articles with the same nonsense? Did an iPhone jilt you on a date or something? lol

2 months ago
Thomas Kachadurian
Thomas Kachadurian

I am continually amazed at hows the apple faithful fall for marketing trick from a company that hasn't had a real innovation since Jobs died.

The Galaxy S5 was: Waterproof, could have 256GB with an SD card, and had an OLED screen. That was what? 2014?

The only thing here that isn't in the Samsung S7 edge is the dual camera trick. But Apple can call it whatever they want to, and a 50mm equivalent lens can't ever be classified as a telephoto.

IF you remove the cult-like obedience, Apple phones are just like the rest, only at a premium price.

Tom

2 months ago
Gerard D C

I am continually amazed at how people care so much which phone other people buy. The term cult is equally applicable to anyone who follows products from Samsung, Sony, Google, and so on.

Buy the phone that makes YOU happy. Because worrying about other people's phone choices is only depressing you.

2 months ago
Steelergeek69
Steelergeek69

Are u that dumb or naive ? Samsung had this and that first. I have a relative that works at Apple not at a store but working on the iPhones and they been working on faced detection,wireless charging anything Samsung does for a while back. . Samsung does it first but what? Phone exploding,face detection being fooled by a picture etc. I rather have a phone that’s gonna work is easy to update and has the best customer service. Now everyone bitches about the expensive price,well same goes with these cameras u over $1500, new Sony bridge camera over $1500

2 months ago
Gerard D C

Looks like a very worthy update. The camera specs are the part I wait for in the announcement of a new iPhone. The additional stabilisation on the tele lens should make a noticeable difference.

Given the anti-Apple, anti-iPhone bashing is at a good level this year, I am especially excited to see what has those people so agitated. I'll be grabbing one of the X's for a close look when it arrives.

2 months ago
Johnnymg2

Does anyone know the optical zoom spec for the 8+ and X?

2 months ago
mxx
mxx

Popular Mechanics has an interesting piece titled "It's Never Been a Worse Time to Upgrade Your Phone: The iPhone X cements a growing trend of less for more."

Not bashing the X as such, but just pointing out a few facts about top end phones these days.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/news/a28179/should-you-upgrade-your-phone/?src=nl&mag=pop&list=nl_pnl_news&date=091417
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/news/a28179/should-you-upgrade-your-phone/?src=nl&mag=pop&list=nl_pnl_news&date=091417.

2 months ago
DaveE1

For someone "not bashing the X as such", you have gone to the effort to pick out and spread the links to an article that help you bash it.

There are many more articles that are very positive about the new phone. I think Phones have come a long, long way quickly with iterative updates and the latest Apple phones are nice upgrades.

2 months ago
mxx
mxx

The context was: (Popular Mechanics) not bashing the X as such, but (Popular Mechanics) just pointing out a few facts about top end phones these days.

But I guess if you paranoid about Apple bashing, you'll find it wherever you want. If you had read the article thoroughly before jumping to conclusions, you would have found the PM is referring to all high end phones, not just the iPhone.

2 months ago
0lf
0lf

Face ID is here to replace touch ID... not quite true. It goes further, from quick unlock to transparent unlock. Listening repport about people who have used the phone, now touch ID feels unnatural. And I tend to believe those who used it over those who don't.

About battery, I think it is good it is non user replaceable. It is an expansive, complex, dangerous and environmentally challenging component. It is good as long as the manufacturer can easily change it. On this point, the number of apple stores and the good reparability of iPhone is important.

Then, besides battery, because progress is getting slower, it means the phone is likely to not be obsolete for a longer time. Plus it is the first iPhone to have the neural engine, and just like with 64bits, it is safe now for some time. So it is not a bad time to change if you want to (the bad time is just before the breakthrough).

2 months ago*
MannyZero

In the future, universal conflicts will drive the humanity to confrontation; wars will be declared between the iTribe and the Android Tribe.

2 months ago*
Brian OReilly

Goodness Gracious...
It is only a new phone
If you like it, consider buying it
If you don't like it - then don't buy it
It really is that simple
But generating so much hate for Apple and their products seems somewhat misplaced.
Perhaps a redirection of energy to more productive causes might be more rewarding.
Hope this helps to get heart rates down a bit...
Brian

2 months ago
Vik2012

Well said. Also, I have found that people who are happy with their own phone/camera/whatever never hate a newly launched device. So, I suppose the green-eyed monster takes control of some people and they have to hate something outside their reach.

2 months ago
SIGOUREY

I completely second you. The iPhone is not at all bad phone according to me. It has every revolutionary feature that makes it worth buying. Primarily, I believe that pricing is not an issue for loyal fans who wants latest technology. Secondly, the OELD display looks excellent. Thirdly, the camera is upgraded, which switches dual rear-facing lenses to a vertical orientation. This indicates that it has secure unlocking feature in the form of Face ID, which truly ameliorates the users’ experience. Fourthly, its 3-D touch is still the best innovation and is better than other phones and work s smoothly for every task. Fifthly, the iPhone X now supports Galileo Satellite System, which is way effective than GPS. Lastly, the 64 GB and 256 GB variants provide an opportunity to the consumers to choose a great version in every form. Overall, the iPhone has proved itself again with its best features, latest technology, and new features that are all packed in one.

2 months ago
JF69

Cue in cosinaphile (& similar Apple haters) going in full raging retard mode & bashing an Apple release, all while attempting to mask it as dishonest concern for "Apple & Steve Jobs" but failing miserably.......

.....OOPS! The boy simply couldn't resist, he did it further down in the comments 😂

Chillax guys, it's just a piece of technology.

2 months ago
tabloid

Im not a 'follower' of iPhone, I simply use iPhones because i uses a mac computer, and it makes syncing just that much easier.
As for upgrading from my 6.......hmmm I don't think so.
I suspect that a lot of people might migrate from other brands just to see what all the fuss is about.
But there is no doubt its a great bit of engineering. (just like other brands).

2 months ago
Tobamory

time to give my 6 to the wife, just need to see how much they want monthly for one :(.

2 months ago
ARB1
ARB1

I'm in the very same boat. I'm not a fanboy and actually started out with Android and loved it, I only switched to Apple when I purchased an iMac since they work a bit better together.

I think Apple has been dragging their feet and relying on fanboys (and girls) to support their product while others like Samsung have been putting out great phones. I'm in on big hurry to trade in my iPhone 6s plus for the latest and greatest but I do like that Apple finally updated their screen, they should have done it a while ago. Hated seeing the beautiful screen on friends Samsungs while my iPhone looked old and out of date.

2 months ago
liquid stereo
liquid stereo

I concur. I was in Europe for work most of the year and needed another phone. I got a iPhone SE and will be switching to that, from the 6S Plus, in 3 weeks.

I don't do much on my phone so all the fancy tech is lost on me.

2 months ago
ChuckTa

Does the Iphone 8 has the lowest screen resolution (750 x 1334) among most of the other smartphone??? Actually, its almost half the resolution of similar price phone (Samsung has 1440 x 2960 and basically any new phone resolution is way above Iphone 8)

2 months ago*
Samuel C

So you're comparing a 4.7" screen to a 5.8" screen and justifying that single comparison on the cost of the phone? The 8 Plus has a higher res screen. Also, pixel count isn't the only metric by which to measure screen quality. But I tell you what, companies do know that anything more complex than one or two numbers is just too complicated for most people. Just like the old megapixel wars nonsense of more pixels despite the IQ getting worse. Cheap sales gimmicks obviously work.

2 months ago
ChuckTa

Ok, let's use pixel density to equalize comparison where Iphone 8 has 326ppi (higher is better). If 326ppi is good enough then why does the more expensive Iphone X goes up to 458ppi.
Now Samsung has a very decent 557ppi and screen quality is very very good. And the rest of the non-Apple phone has PPI upward of 400 and more like upward of 500 ppi. Now PPI is not the only gauge for screen quality but it certainly is a very important screen quality metric.

2 months ago
Samuel C

And to tell the difference between 300ppi and 500ppi you'd have to hold the phone four inches from your face. And at some point the pixel density is just to dupe suckers....unfortunately, once the war begins everyone pretty much has to follow because they can't rely on the average consumer to know anything. And then you have to consider battery drain from higher res screens and all that, so the point is everything is a compromise and nothing is simple....and phones are not important enough to debate this much so bye.

2 months ago*
0lf
0lf

Higher pixel density will unlock new usage, like VR-AR glass. It does not bring much for classic screen readings

2 months ago
Sdaniella
Sdaniella

iphone @ 1.3k or 326ppi cannot adequately display 2.5k, 3.8k(4k uhd) or 4.1k (4k dci) content, so it makes sense for all the higher 2.5k, 2.9k+ displays with 400/500+ ppi to be offered in small smartphone size displays (5-6")

my tablet S 10.5" only has 2.5k @ 288ppi (2560x1600), but to enjoy viewing full 4k content, it must exceed 460ppi and offer 4096x2160 at least

my old 2014 5.1" galaxy S5 smartphone only has 1920x1080, 432ppi (1.9k)
but luckier 2014 korean version of S5 has 5.1" 2560x1440, 577ppi (2.5k)!!!

if a smartphone finally approaches full 4k dci 4096x2160, on a 5-6" screen, its ppi will top 900+ppi !!!

for enjoying 4k content, i prefer non-VR goggles, like tablet sized, and snuggling it like a good book, albeit, an AMOLED "movie theatre book", not a ginormous flatscreen livingroom sized OLED tv

2 months ago*
Jostian
Jostian

when reading websites, looking at photos, playing games, watching videos we generally are at about 5 inches from our face and from that distance the 'low' res of the iPhone 6,7 & now 8 is quite apparent when holding something like a S8, G6 etc. next to it.
So yes it is an issue, and especially (as mentioned above too) with all the UHD, 2K, 4K content thats out there, the iPhone 8 is missing the boat imho

2 months ago
Samuel C

Five inches from your face??? I think it's time for glasses.

2 months ago
Treabereeg

If using bright led, unlocking XPhone in movie theather with faceId or taking kind of selfie to unlock nfc payment will undoubtedly make you some new friends.

I'm also curious how it gets unlocked while driving. Maybe it's safer that way.. to stay locked after all :)

2 months ago*
DarnGoodPhotos

Unlocking is done with infrared so no bright light required. Ulocking while driving would be easy, hold the phone up and glance at it.

2 months ago
aut0maticdan
aut0maticdan

yeah, it isn't visible light. They threw around the term flood illuminator like I am supposed to know what it is. haha

2 months ago
Treabereeg

@DarnGoodPhotos thank you, great for IR, works the same way with windows 10 IRIS unlocking ( even with sunglasses )

About holding the phone while driving, it s prohibited here in France :)

2 months ago*
Rick Knepper

So basically, the iPhone is a mature technology with little innovation to encourage an upgrade.

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

Well you've pretty much described all phone upgrades at this point. The face mapping tech for Protrait Lighting is pretty innovative. The way the amoled panel curls under itself to give the *almost* edge to edge display is also pretty cool as well.

2 months ago*
Samuel C

So basically all phones are mature technology. Notice most if not all computer tech in the consumer realm hitting a plateau eventually?

2 months ago
Tobamory

Sounds like Canon Old technology with no Innovation LOL

2 months ago
Rick Knepper

There's been plenty of innovation in desktop PCs and peripherals and much more to come. Of course, if your metric is "what have you invented this week", it might seem stagnant.

I see virtually nothing substantially new with the iPhone 8 over the 7 or even the 6.

2 months ago
aut0maticdan
aut0maticdan

I'm going to give the X a shot. I'm still rocking a 6s+ and look forward to the screen and camera improvements. Otherwise, phones are so good now that I find myself less inclined to upgrade. Minor spec bumps are meaningless day-to-day. It is all about the camera.

I'm concerned that removing the home button and using face id vs touch id is a step back in usability--sacrificing function for form. If this turns out to be the case, I'll likely return and use my 6s+ until the X.1 comes out with touch id embedded in the screen.

That new watch, tho. White ceramic series 3 edition with LTE... mmmmmmmmmmm

2 months ago
fmaxwell

Why does an otherwise (semi-) civil photography website devolve into ugly stereotyping and insults whenever an article about iPhones is published? I see Apple customers, including me and others on this site, being described as "brainless consumers," "fanboy[s]," "brainwashed," and worse. The insulting comments rarely provide any commentary related to the topic of the article.

So I wonder why the site moderators don't suspend people for that kind of behavior. It's one thing to provide a reasoned argument about why you feel competing products are better, or how you feel that an iPhone is technologically deficient. But clicking on articles in order to post insulting remarks about everyone who chose a different brand of smartphone than you did is unacceptable.

2 months ago*
Slouch Hooligan
Slouch Hooligan

The anti-Apple crowd seem to be addicted to the thrill of selfrightious zeal. When positive mention of Apple is detected their amygdalas are triggered. It's kind of Pavlovian.

2 months ago
Samuel C

Ironic that people pushing Android as the OS of those interested in choice would condemn anyone for wanting to choose among competitors, right? It's just the tech geeks and those they have brainwashed that believe there is such a thing as choice any more. Android lets you do A, B, and C....and just forget about all of its downsides. Apple, however, is nothing but downsides and you'd have to be an idiot to ignore them, is that the gist? I've used both, and there is plenty to like and dislike about both. If someone's self-confidence is based on their choice of phone, then it's their insecurities doing the talking.

2 months ago*
fmaxwell

Samuel C wrote: "If someone's self-confidence is based on their choice of phone, then it's their insecurities doing the talking."

I just wish that that DPReview would shoo them along to do that talking elsewhere.

2 months ago
Androole

Anyone have a clue what bitrate the 4K/60fps out of this will be?

It's using HEVC so it'll punch above its weight codec-wise, but I'm still guessing that no one using an iPhone is willing to have a 5 minute clip eat up 5 GB of room on their phone, so the quality will be "okay" at best...

2 months ago*
DualSystemGuy

$1150 USD for what is basically a collection of 2-6 year old technology. Unbelievable.

It was also funny when the face unlock failed under ideal conditions on stage. The other thing I have read about it is that it works from 5+ feet away, so it is extremely insecure. Someone only needs to steal your phone and pretend to take a photo of you or point it at you to get in.

2 months ago*
aut0maticdan
aut0maticdan

I thought that was hilarious when it didn't unlock.

Pretend to take a picture of you with your phone by showing you the front of it with your wallpaper? I think you have to look right at it to unlock. Seems farfetched.

2 months ago
fmaxwell

How much did your camera cost and how old was the technology in it? Also, could identify any 2-6 year old phones that have CPUs and GPUs that perform anywhere close to the ones in the latest iPhones?

It wasn't funny at all when the facial recognition failed. It was terrible for all of the engineers who worked so hard on it. What kind of sadistic person revels in seeing something like that? Spend a few years of your life on a satellite only to see it fail to make orbit and then see how "funny" you think it is.

"Someone only needs to steal your phone and pretend to take a photo of you or point it at you to get in."

That's quite the crazy little scenario you've cooked up, where a thief steals a phone, turns the locked screen towards the victim, somehow convinces the victim to stare directly at the lock screen, and then 'gets in' and runs away.

2 months ago*
DualSystemGuy

I don't think you need to be looking right at it to unlock, in fact it is touted as a feature that you don't - similar to not having your finger precisely on the home button for previous models.

And it was funny because it failed under an ideal scenario yet everyone will be making excuses for it - people expect flawless performance from a phone priced as high as the iPhone. Not testing it thoroughly enough before the Keynote is a gross oversight.

Also, do you honestly think it's difficult to get someone to look at you for a split second? c'mon...and you don't need to look 100% directly at it for it to work - if you did, it would be even less reliable than they have already shown it to be. Employees from "The Verge" were doing exactly that at the Apple conference, which is where I read about this possibility - it's not something I cooked up, it's something that has already been successfully done within minutes of the phone's announcement.

2 months ago*
aut0maticdan
aut0maticdan

Watch it again. It is touted as a feature that you do have to be looking at it. If you look away it doesn't unlock. He pointed that out when he circled back on unlocking to make up for his initial goof.

If someone gets my attention and then shows me my phone I'm going to ask for my phone back.

2 months ago
0lf
0lf

For what I understand it did not "fail".
Like with touch ID, when you restart your phone, it ask you to enter your code to enable touch ID, or in this case, face ID.

2 months ago
aut0maticdan
aut0maticdan

you are right. I didn't initially notice the "Your passcode is required to enable Face ID"

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

And you do have to actually glance at the screen for the face unlock to work which is why it doesn't work while you are asleep.

2 months ago*
Samuel C

No, dual, what's funny is you reaching for straws in a vein effort to feel smart and superior.

2 months ago
fmaxwell

@DualSystemGuy, Here's the summary:

Your claim that the new iPhone is "is basically a collection of 2-6 year old technology" was totally wrong, as evidenced by your failure to answer my challenge to "identify any 2-6 year old phones that have CPUs and GPUs that perform anywhere close to the ones in the latest iPhones."

You made up a laughably absurd, and flawed scenario that only served to reveal your lack of knowledge about Face ID or crime. If some stranger grabbed my iPhone and held the screen pointed towards me, I would beat the crap out of him and take my phone back, not look directly at the screen to unlock it for him.

2 months ago
0lf
0lf

Apple has made an official statement about the face ID "failure" : people preparing demo devices triggers face ID, and since it was set on Federighi face, lock the phone. Nothing much different than Touch ID, unless you need your phone to be biometricly unlockable by several people.

2 months ago
Sdaniella
Sdaniella

2-6 year old tech ...

indeed ... Sony sensors ...
and Samsung AMOLED displays ... (now in new iphones, albeit lower rez ones)

2 months ago
fmaxwell

@Sdaniella, the iPhone contains the most modern, powerful, and advanced CPU/GPU of any phone made. It has 3D IR-targeting for 3D facial mapping. What's next? Criticizing it because it uses aluminum and glass, which have been used in manufactured goods for more than a century?

2 months ago
tgchan
tgchan

" Like on the 8 models there is glass on front and back of the water and dust proof body which also does away with Apple's characteristic home button. " - what the f...

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

It is worded a little awkwardly.

Unlike the metal back 7 & 7 Plus, the 8, 8 Plus, and X have glass front and back and are water & dust proof. The X replaces the home button with gestures, Face ID, and one of the side buttons.

2 months ago*
MikeFairbanks

I'm interested in the photography aspects of the 8 and 10, along with wireless charging. I'd never use the face scanner but would opt to go back to the four-digit password scheme and then turn off password when I'm at home.

I don't know how I feel about these things going back to glass. How will that hold up with a few drops here and there. Sure, I'll have it in a case, but then will the case prevent wireless charging?

I'm definitely intrigued. I do take a lot of photos and videos with my phone (along with my 6D, but you know how that is when out with the family).

I like the new watches. Being able to make calls with the watch and not have my phone with me will be pretty cool, along with streaming any song from Apple Music (which my family uses).

I guess my biggest concern is the glass. Will it be strong enough. My 6s plus, although in a Lifeproof box, takes a lot of spills.

2 months ago
Dheorl

I have a glass backed Sony that isn't in a case and have never had trouble. Glass these days is pretty tough, but if you did want to put a case on it the only things that would stop the wireless charging is metal, or something unusually thick.

2 months ago
Sir Nick of High Point

Sweet! I've always wanted to have my face scanned by a network enabled neural network said no one ever ;)

2 months ago
Vik2012

The neural engine is device based, not run through a remote server.

2 months ago
stratplaya

The "X" is for xpensive.

2 months ago
Dimit
Dimit

The epitome of stupidity : Brainless consumers' support to Apple's doctrine ''Giving less,charging more than the competition''!

2 months ago
Alxy

My choice of iPhone is fully calculated decision. They give more of certain key qualities.

2 months ago
Samuel C

What's the other option? "Android: offering a comically fragmented OS, individual phone makers responsible for updating their tacked on resource-draining skins before you get to see the update released months ago, and forcing you in to giving your identity to Google for free...while still paying large sums for more pixels on a screen that no human has the ability to detect unless their eyeball is one inch from the screen"?
None of these phones are necessities. Get over yourself.

2 months ago
Vik2012

"The epitome of stupidity"? You mean if you buy one and don't want it. Or if you make generally disparaging comments about people making choices with their own money. Many forms of stupidity.

2 months ago
justmeMN

My big Apple Announcement is that my homemade apple crisp tastes great. It's affordable too.

2 months ago
Nikonandmore
Nikonandmore

:
Sensor size is the single key most important thing for improved image quality.

To the best of my knowledge, the iPhone 7 Plus' sensor sizes are ~1/3in for the main sensor, ~1/3.6in for the telephoto lens. T I N Y dudes!!!

How can we find out the size of the new sensors on the 8? I am extremely sceptical of Apple's claim of these newer "larger" sensors that absolutely seem to have the exact same specs as the 7.

2 months ago*
DarnGoodPhotos

Why are you skeptical? Apple wouldn't have said larger sensor if it were the same size. Seeing as there are no detailed sensor size specs out yet so I don't know how you came to the conclusion that its the same as the iPhone 7.

2 months ago
aut0maticdan
aut0maticdan

lenses are kind of important. sensor quality/pixel density is up there as well. you may even give some credit to the photographer's technique. ;)

We will find out the size of the sensor in the 8 around September 22nd or 23rd when ifixit does their teardown. The X in Nov.

2 months ago
noirdesir

We just need an image with full EXIF data, as the latter contains the actual focal length. Combine that with the equivalent focal length and you get the sensor size.

2 months ago
alcaher

If Apple just put their effort on producing DSLR's instead of boring iPhones that look like tablets

2 months ago
ChuckTa

If Apple makes a DSLR, they would claim exceptional image quality, superb color and then use a 1 inch sensor :-)

2 months ago*
Mariano Pacifico

Could iPhone 8 is just nothing but an unsold iPhone 7?

2 months ago*
(unknown member)

I don't know if it could, but certainly looks like.
I think all of the unsold iPhone7 will be pushed to eastern Europe Asia and the rest third world.
There ate a lot of victims wanting that little bitten apple.

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

No. Too many differences for that to be true.

2 months ago
Mariano Pacifico

If the footprint is the same, it would be easier to rip off the inside and put in "too many differences".

iPhone 7 did not sell well. It looks just like iPhone 6 without jack in the box in exchange of wireless.

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

The iPhone 7 broke sales records despite it looking similar to the iPhone 6 so you aren't correct there.

While not exactly that simple, it probably didnt take a complete redesign of the 6's interior to take the 7's guts, but the 8 is different enough to where that would be harder,

2 months ago*
aut0maticdan
aut0maticdan

it is just a spec bump with a new case.

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

Every phone upgrade from every manufacturer is that.

2 months ago*
Vik2012

@Mariano, you adorable little troll. You had to climb over several stories about the iPhone 7's record breaking sales to make your comment about it not selling well. Now now... try harder. Oh, you know we can tell when you like your own comments? LOL.

2 months ago
Gerard D C

Mariano is going to have a seizure if he doesn't relax. It's hilarious how upset some people can get with the release of a new Apple product.

2 months ago*
junk1

Glad to see all of this interest. I'd never buy one, but bought their stock after Steve died and it fell. Got a $100-$150 Moto G (3G) for $20 (new at best buy) on closeout 2 years ago and it's fine. $125 per year for service on tracfone. I recently got an iPhone 6s (AT&T service) through my (federal government) job and I don't feel it's much better and my Tracfone's service (pretty sure it's using Verizon) is more reliable.

In a way, $700 is a bargain though. No landline needed anymore, and no need to buy computers for most people. iPhone also replaces MP3 player, cameras, and many other things it can do via apps. I think many people won't buy another laptop (and before that desktops) since the phones are so capable and we're getting used to using the tiny screens.

2 months ago*
bazzap101
bazzap101

When your eyes are as old as mine, you will still need a pc :-)

2 months ago
junk1

yeah, I have progressive glasses for the past 2 years...yuk...phone is so handy though when watching TV to be able to check Facebook or something. I'm 47.

2 months ago
Duncan D

What is the battery size ? cause we all know that half of the people out there are already looking for those battery ...

Can they JUST for once make it a tiny bit thicker and give us a normal battery ?!!

2 months ago
NetMage

The iPhone X is rated at two hours more than the iPhone 7, the 8 about the same as the 7.

2 months ago
Biowizard
Biowizard

Totally agree - although I use a skin on my iPhone, which is just about thick enough to recess the lens. I really would prefer the back of the phone to be completely flat, however.

Brian

2 months ago
heavymeister

Why the heck couldn't they get rid of the camera bump? They just need to make it a bit thicker, which would also make more room for a bigger battery and you get a flat backside. I really would like to give the designers some slaps on the back of their heads to enable logical thinking.

2 months ago
zodiacfml

Judging from the front lens element, they truly went with a larger sensor. Aside from that, both cameras in the X have OIS. Google's Pixel smartphone doesn't a hump despite using a quite large camera sensor but doesn't have OIS.

2 months ago
dpfan32
dpfan32

Thinking NSA, now they have a scan of your face in addition to all the other data, like finger print, credit cards, buying profiles, location history.... Now they know, who you really are :P

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

That's cute. They already know.

2 months ago
NetMage

Like with TouchID, the face scan information is stored in Apple's secure enclave and the data cannot be pulled from the phone.

2 months ago
junk1

they probably store a mathematical model, not your actual face.

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

It is a 3D model in addition to an image, which is why it cant be fooled by a photo like S8's is.

2 months ago
dpfan32
dpfan32

No matter where they store it and in which form they store it, the NSA surely has a few backdoors ;)
I believe Snowden when he says that the smartphone is a horrible device when it comes to privacy.
It's a matter of who you believe, I don't believe Apple's marketing department.
And this mathematical model can be surely reversed to a photo. Look what for example Lightroom does with RAW data of your camera :)

2 months ago
Vik2012

@dpfan32, The new neural engine is device based, not sending the data to a server, and we know that Apple don't give the encryption away for their existing phones.

You are more likely to have your face scanned walking down the street or through airports, etc. There is no shortage of cameras capturing your happy face.

2 months ago
AE-1Burnham
AE-1Burnham

Eight letter review for iPhone X: N-O-T-C-H... W-T-F ?!?

P.S. We photogs cannot put up with this type of insult from Apple. Not only the notch on the X, but all the other software "pro"/"studio"-filtering, including algorithmic blur, makes me shudder knowing the future will be filled with this content.

2 months ago
DDWD10
DDWD10

Being an OLED panel, the display area left and right of the notch can be "blacked out" for certain uses. I mean... where do you propose locating the sensors/camera/speaker/mic that occupy the notch now?

2 months ago
AE-1Burnham
AE-1Burnham

Hi DDWD10. You should check Apple's guidance to developers regarding new phones 8 & X. For iPhone X they recommend strongly not creating black bars (which also means AppStore likely will reject app proposals using such a trick).

Regarding "where to locate hardware" you are asking the wrong question. How can you have the best media/content experience on the device -- this question will dictate certain design principles, which would prevent such a catastrophe as the notch. I guess we must wait and see how all gets implemented.

2 months ago
AE-1Burnham
AE-1Burnham

As referenced on my reply to @DDWD10 see the Apple webpage "Human Interface Guidelines" regarding design guidelines and the compromises the iPhone X presents.

2 months ago
DDWD10
DDWD10

Well, the user experience includes a very powerful depth mapping camera that requires an array of sensors and modules to work, thus occupying a decent amount of space on the front of the device. If they didn't have the notch, you'd just have a black bar running the full length of the top of the phone. At least the way it is now, the time, battery and signal levels can be tucked up there leaving the rectangular portion of the display for the primary content. It seems like a more efficient use of space than to not have it altogether, no?

Maybe one day it'll be possible to conceal these sensors behind the display itself, but we aren't there yet.

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

The iPhoneX page on Apple's site shows very dark grey top and bottom areads with the studio lighting animation, and black top and bottom with the optical "zoom" animation. So those are two examples of how the area outside of content is handled; since the screen is wider than 16:9 I expect there will be black bars unless you zoom in.

2 months ago*
aut0maticdan
aut0maticdan

what does the notch have to do with photography?

My only issue with it is that it allows them to embellish the display size.

2 months ago
Biowizard
Biowizard

The quoted screen resolution - does it take into account the notch at the top for the face sensors, and the rounded corners? In other words, what's the actual resolution (and aspect ratio, for that matter) of largest _rectangle_ the iPhone X can display? I don't want my photos - or movies - cropped and crimped!

Brian

2 months ago
Rambalac

Yes, that including that black part. Apple user will easily adapt watching videos with black area, they just stop noticing it. If you cannot adapt you just pay for special video player which will resize video to avoid that area and add black bars above and below video.

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

Why would you think they will be cropped by default? Photos and videos which aren't as wide as the current screens display with blank space on either side.

2 months ago
Biowizard
Biowizard

I disagree, Rambalac. I find partial obstructions VERY distracting. I cannot stand watching my TV if a piece of furniture or somesuch is blocking my sightline to part of the screen; I will not go to a theatre if my seat has "restricted view"; even one dead pixel in the middle of (an old-style, non-retina) computer screen has had me return the device for replacement under warranty. I will most certainly NOT stop noticing that intrusion, so I very much hope there is an option to scale the image to give true rectangular outline.

Brian

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

The iPhone X's screen is wider than 16:9 so you wont see the notch unless you zoom in, and then it's your own fault.

2 months ago*
WestO

I don't know if there will be settings to change it, but during the live stream pictures were obstructed by the notch on top. People ooh and ahh anyway because it's Apple. The first thing I thought was, that's a horrible design. It won't matter if there are settings or not. Apple used a non standard screen size for years after the world went to 16:9 and Apple owners happily watched cropped videos with few complaints. Even now Apple is using a 6 year old screen with 10 year old resolution in the 8 and Apple users say they love it. When other manufacturers increased the resolution and went to OLED, Apple users said, it's all overkill and silly. Now Apple makes the X with an edge to edge OLED display with bumped up resolution like other manufacturers, charge a $300 premium for it; suddenly an advanced screen makes perfect sense. Apple can either show obstructed images or not because Apple users will adjust accordingly until Apple says otherwise. This coming from an iPhone 6s owner.

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

16:9 is only better for video playback. 3:2 is better for things like web browsing because more content is displayed in landscape, and pages aren't as small in portrait. Since watching videos is a small part of what I use my phone for I am glad they never went 16:9.

While I can't say for sure about Photos. Purchased videos aren't cropped while most streaming videos are.

2 months ago
WestO

@DarnGoodPhotos I have know idea what iPhone you have, but every iPhone since the 5 has been 16:9 like every other phone. Before the 5 it was a ridiculous 3:4 not 3:2.

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

Whoops you're right, not sure what I was thinking.

2 months ago
aut0maticdan
aut0maticdan

In demos I saw of hands-on, it works a lot like the current zoom-to-fill function. Normal viewing is 16:9 for video and you can adjust photos to their default dimensions just the same. Both are expandable to fill the display just like they are on current phones only in this case it has a bite taken out of it.

2 months ago
noirdesir

The listed pixel numbers are for the full rectangle (ie, ignoring rounded corners and the notch), and they really have to be because you need an image with those dimensions to full fill the screen. But the listed screen diagonal, 5.8", is the actual diagonal after subtracting the corners (the diagonal ignoring the rounded corners would be 5.95").

2 months ago
newe
newe

I guess prices have not been totally set:

"The iPhone X will be available in 64 and 256GB versions and set you back at least $999"

So it seems that it could be a fair bit more....$1000 for Instagram and Facebook...lol

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

That means $999 for the 64GB version and more for the 256GB version.

2 months ago
NetMage

I guess you haven't noticed how iPhones have been priced for the last ten years?

2 months ago
noirdesir

On all iPhones starting with 64 GB, the move to 256 GB adds $150.

2 months ago
Azathothh
Azathothh

Meh i'll just stick with my 3 year old Android phone that cost 10 times less...

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

My 4 year old iPhone 6 is still doing fine sop I dont need to upgrade this year either.

2 months ago
Rensol

A month ago bought brand new LG G5 for $199!
Does everything i need.
This might be the sign of outdated person speaking though.

2 months ago
T. L. Rutter

Thanks for sharing. We appreciate you.

2 months ago
Gorpalm

Hey Rensol amazing tech for low mid-range pricing well done! What made you pick the G5 over say the LG V20?

2 months ago
Rensol

To Gorpalm
1. Size. I dumped my Nexus 6 for being too big to fit in my pocket.
2. Wide camera at the back of the phone.
3. Brand new is $199!!! New in box!!! I bought it on ebay from US seller. These are T-Mobile phones unlocked! THis is a guarantee they are not refurb somewhere in China and sold like new "but without original box to save on shipping expenses" as some sellers on ebay claim.
4. Once I purchased I did comparison between Nexus 6 and this one (camera wise). As phones they are both more than what I need. It looks like Google's HDR+ does more thicks (mabe plays with more frames) then LG's HDR. But you can install Google's Camera app on LG G5 (that is what I did).
In low light they all .... crap. Would not be replacing my A7II anytime soon. :))) But on another hand A7II is not in my pocked every day either.
5 MAJOR +! You can replace USB-C charging port part by simply pooling it out! They are replaceable.
6. You can replace battery!
7. You can add your memory cards!

2 months ago
Graham Austin

Red Hydrogen phone looking a little more value for money now..

2 months ago
Daryl-G

The Red Hydrogen's size is still a little off-putting for many, I would think.

2 months ago
Dostoy

• Although I won't be buying one this year, I'm glad the iPhone X screen doesn't actually go edge-to-edge, because "the edge" is the part where I hold the phone.
• As for the notch at the top, the areas to each side are used mainly for date / time / battery / signal strength, which makes sense.
• And as for the protruding camera lens: usually, once you add a phone cover, the lens is flush with the cover. So there's no real problem there.

2 months ago
eddie_cam

If you just want to appear to have an iPhone and want to pay way less:
https://m.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_629183.html

Unfortunately, you get what you pay for ...

2 months ago
bleeboo

Not an Apple fanboy, however, as the owner of a Samsung S8+, beautiful display as that phone has, the video is substandard compared to Apple's 6S+.

I will also miss Android's drag and drop ecosystem which is especially useful when wanting to actually store something on your phone, however...

4K 60P with dual lens optical image stabilization with tele and wide angle options native to the camera is, well, a gamechanger, not really for watching on what I assume will be a gorgeous pixel packed quasi-3K OLED screen, but for offloading and watching on a 4K OLED 55" TV.

Having that kind of pocket rocket is desirable, at least to me.

Sign me up.

2 months ago
anthony mazzeri

iOS 11 arriving next Wednesday will have drag and drop between apps.

2 months ago
bleeboo

I'm thinking more of drag and drop in the Windows environment, you know, being able to add video and photo files to the phone via drag and drop, which I don't think you're capable of doing in the Apple IOS ecosystem.

2 months ago
anthony mazzeri

There'll be a desktop-style file system app as well built into iOS 11.

But you can do that now anyway with third-party apps like Mylio for pics and vids, or FileBrowser for all file types. Both work over wifi - Mylio syncs your device with whatever you add to designated synced folders on your Mac, while with FB you connect to your Mac and browse its drives and folders to choose which files you want to copy to your device.

2 months ago
colourblind ch

How about AirDrop or iCloud?

2 months ago
bleeboo

Thanks, Anthony.

Does Mylio work with Windows...meaning, can you drag and drop a video file from a PC, to an iPhone via USB/Lightning connection?

2 months ago
anthony mazzeri

bleeboo, I use it exclusively wifi so have never tried via cable, but you can check out their website mylio.com.

But yes, it does work PC to iPhone, even Mac to Android if you want.

2 months ago
anthony mazzeri

PS. You don't actually drag and drop from the PC to the iPhone. On your desktop you simply drag it into any folders on your drive you designate to be catalogued/synced by Mylio, or add it directly into Mylio itself. The Mylio app on your idevice then automatically updates with the file when you next open it. If it's already open, the sync happens in real time.

2 months ago
ozturert

So now Apple will release an "update" which will slow down older models to force people buy newer ones.

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

That has been proven too be false FUD.

2 months ago
ozturert

Not for me.

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

The only phones which had issues for me were an 3GS and 4 with iOS7. Apple could have restricted iOS7 to the 4S and above but then a bunch of people would have complained that Apple was forcing them to upgrade from their old iPhones to get the latest OS.

I saw it when some older devices didn't get AirDrop, where people complained despite the fact that their devices didn't have the wifi hardware needed for it.

2 months ago*
Daryl-G

ozurert, I think that old conspiracy is well and truly debunked. I have a couple of old iPhones and they run as good today as they did when I bought them years ago. They are up to date on iOS updates too.

Some developers may create new apps that don't work with an old version of iOS or depend on new hardware features, but that doesn't mean Apple cripple them to make you upgrade.

2 months ago
Vanitas Photo

I wonder if the face recogntion can ve fooled with a photo...

2 months ago
2 months ago
RedFox88

It's infra red 3D scanning. So no.

2 months ago
hifimacianer

No, it won't be possible. They even tested it with masks of the emplyees faces (made by Hollywood Makeup artists). The only way to fool FaceID is if you've got a twin.

2 months ago
fotogrofur
fotogrofur

No. It's been tested and no it can't. It can adjust and adapt even if you grow a beard though. That's cool. And an identical twin can fool it.

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

Unlike Samsung's face unlock, Apple's wont be fooled by a photo.

2 months ago
Nikonandmore
Nikonandmore

It might not be easily fooled by a photo, but there's the floor that is much worse than that. With Touch ID, you actually have to hold your own phone to unlock it.. but with face ID, anyone can quickly grab the phone, put it in front of your face and it gets unlocked while they still have it on their hands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get my point? I haven't seen anyone yet commenting about this, but I have seen it in a couple videos during some demos yesterday, and that's exactly what people are doing and obviously it's what happens. This is shocking to say the least.

Bottom line is that while it's extremely difficult and inconvenient for someone to grab someone's hand and forcefully put their thumb on the Touch ID chip to try to unlock it, to just hold someone else's phone on their faces, it's a breeze! So, privacy? Zero!!! This is a gateway to hell!

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

It can't just be in front of your face, you have to actually look at it for the unlock to work. If an aggressor has that much control of your situation, they can just force your finger onto the touch-id sensor. Which videos are you referring to?

There was a similar level of shock and awe FUD being spread back when TouchID was released. A bunch of "cautionary tales" of how easy it would be to fool and enable theft. None of that was true.

2 months ago*
(unknown member)

Where is this world going ??
😀

2 months ago
cheetah43

Apple's competitors will have nothing to fear because with 8 and 8+ representing legacy, X being preposterously pretentious in price Apple's market will remain in the niche.

2 months ago
Daniel L

silly, do you know Apple dominated smart phone global profit by a staggering 80%? that was last year when crybabies complain about the same thing. so much for niche product.

2 months ago
cheetah43

8, 8+: so what hardware wise? Enormously wide bezels top and bottom, Home button!
X: so what hardware wise? Thick surround frame reminiscent of $200 gadgets! Is Apple trying to change the meaning of 'slick'?

2 months ago
BokehFanatic

Reading most comments make you scared to post anything positive.

Innovation is not always on hardware, it's also on materials, build quality, manufacturing process, efficiency, software, etc. Moreover, companies' goal is to make profit by adding some customer value. I think Apple succeeds in that As far as I know, the iPhone users are extremely happy with their devices. Also as far as I know, there is no other phone with the depth-sensing sensors and an almost-100%-display-front.

All iPhones have sold very well in the past, and I'm pretty sure iPhone X will be a success too. Moreover, Apple has been very smart in my opinion to still have iPhone 6-esque devices in their line-up. In 4 years, they have improved their manufacturing processes/stock/etc. to build the 6s/7/8 very efficiently (i.e. making good profits). And the high price bestseller iPhone X surely has a sufficient profit margin as well.

All in all, Apple is a success, users are happy, and non-users like to complain online.

2 months ago*
xectis
xectis

Your Apple God has done it again. Follow the fashion trend herd...

2 months ago
Mister J

Pleased the SE (my fave for its chip, camera, chassis design, and size) is still in the range, though I hope Apple upgrades the innards for 2018.

2 months ago
Mateus1

It's even cheaper then X-E3 witch Fuji aimed for smartphone users.

2 months ago*
Sal Baker

The cell reception on the X-E3 is horrible.

2 months ago
Franz Weber
Franz Weber

I can only advise you to NOT buy this iPhone!

So there will be one left for me on first day! :-)

2 months ago
PhotoKhan

Oh, there so many here who will be called to the new "space-ship-disguised-as-spaceship" headquarters in a couple of months to explain a couple of things.

Do you think you can get away with those kind of comments without the man-in-black-tshirts coming around?

Do you...(wait...there's someone at my door...brb...)

2 months ago
cosinaphile

the notch in the screen is indicative of souless and aesthetically clueless designers and engineers and the zombie suits that give them permissions and production approval

im frankly shocked by this abomination, steve j.... love him or hate him ... would have sacked theses cretins for their idiocy

2 months ago
trebledee

That notch struck me too. Yes, tons of great features and cleverness but video playback with a notch in the side? That would irritate me no-end. I'd hope there would be an option to actually play back video to the full 16:9 box, with no indentation in the side.

2 months ago
hifimacianer

Of course you can watch videos without the bar on the side. Just don't use the scaled Fullscreen mode. On the other Hand: if I hold my iPhone to watch Videos, my fingers are laying on the sides of the phone. So the bar is probably already covered by one of my fingers.

2 months ago
DarnGoodPhotos

Of course videos wont play with the notch cutting in to them

2 months ago*
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