Canon has released firmware 1.1 for the EOS R5. Alongside a flurry of minor bug fixes, the new firmware also promises to improve video shooting times. We've had the new firmware for a few days, and prepared a test.
Check out Jordan's take on the new firmware in the video, above, and see below for Canon's official description of the changes in FW 1.1.0
Firmware Version 1.1.0 incorporates the following fixes and enhancements:
Useful messaging is now displayed when [HDMI display:Camera+External monitor] and [Overheat control: on] settings are enabled.
When using certain RF lenses for movie shooting, the in-lens image stabilization mechanism has been improved.
Fixes a phenomenon in which the “Slow Synchro” setting screen is not accurately displayed, when the language is set to English.
Fixes a typo displayed on the communication setting screen, when the language is set to Korean.
Connectivity during FTP transmission has been improved.
Fixes a phenomenon, in which the card access time may take longer, when using certain CF express cards.
Temperature detection and shooting time control in video shooting have been improved. In addition, the total shooting time when the short-time recording and power-on/off are performed repeatedly at room temperature is improved.
The phenomenon in which the movie recording time available is not correctly displayed when the Date/Time/Zone is not set has been corrected.
*The firmware scheduled for release in early September will incorporate the following improvements for the RF100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM. -Supports 6-stop image stabilization. (CIPA-compliant) -Improves IS capabilities when performing continuous shooting under specific conditions.
Firmware Version 1.1.0 is for cameras with firmware up to Version 1.0.0. If the camera's firmware is already Version 1.1.0, it is not necessary to update the firmware.
One day, there really will be weddings and other events again where a fully reliable hybrid (stills & video) camera will be required. I wonder if events photographers believe the R5, even with the improved heat limitations described by Jordan, will be up to the task of replacing their 5D/M4's. If not, it's hard to imagine long-term success for this particular model.
LOL - the SONY paid fanboys are so amusing....they continue to whinge about a 'crippled' camera...this is the most ABLED camera out there....it shoots 8K video which your camera does not...and you label the R5 as crippled?
And the New URSA shoots 12K, so that makes it even more capable. Except, its quite big, doesn't have IBIS or can mount easily to a gimbal. Not very portable for travel video either... Maybe shoot some video for a living and we can discuss what is a capable camera for video. Hint, its not just about how many Ks it can do. Thats just childish geek talk.
The truth is the more I read the more it becomes clear the overheating is easily mitigated.
And the truth is if you are going to shoot long extended video times you'd get an external recorder and never have to worry about it.
30 minutes of 8k video followed by 30 more after a brief wait is better than no 8k ever. Being able to shoot 4 hours of 8k footage in a 5 hour time period makes the camera worth twice it's price.
Truth is if I am going to shoot long extended video, I'd buy a proper video camera and not a Photo one. And it's just as well 4 hours of 8K footage makes the camera worth twice it's price. As the truth is you'll need all that extra money to pay for the media costs that amount of 8K footage will need. 😂😂
The truth is Stevev4d earlier said, he "will buy the new Blackmagic URSA and film reliable and better 8K, downsampled from 12K and with 110fps" Extra costs for media must not be an issue. And he knows downsampling from 8k to 4k or 12k to 8k will result in better video.
You're a new user, yet I feel one I've spoken to before. A 2nd anonymous profile.. how sad... 🤣🤣 I've no problem filming 12k, 8K or 6K BRAW.. it handles considerably better in my software than anything Canon gives. Lots of compression options too. The bonus of having an editing system and codec designed by the same company. Plus I can record that RAW to SSD drives via USB, which are considerably cheaper than the media costs need to record 8K RAW on the R5. The truth is the cards needed for it just ain't that cheap. 😏😏
And I can already shoot 6K RAW unlimited at 50fps to either a SSD drive or internally to cfast card at a pinch. At different compression ratios too. I wouldn't use an external recorder with crappy micro HDMI. I've had one break on me before. They're too fragile for serous work.
Congratulations for one of the silliest remark I've read. I said I had one break on me. It wasn't incompetence. It was poor design of the port that is insufficient for consistent professional needs. Its not designed for frequent use and this wear and tear ultimately leads to damage. I know you don't have any professional video experience, so I'll excuse your naivety. Are you at all interested in making any video; if not, is commenting on video features you'll hardly use just something to fill a sad and lonely life. 🤣🤣🤣
The truth is I hit a nerve. You already know it was your incompetence. If are smart and buy good cables and use them correctly they don't brake. I've had a micro HDMI cable I've used for years without issue. Competent people don't have issues. Incompetent people do though.
I know the truth about what happened. Professional work can always lead to damages. This is why professional productions favour large and well built cameras, with strong connections for cables. Even then, they have had expensive cameras break on them on both movie and TV productions. It happens more than you think. So they need something that is durable. You would know this if you'd done any professional video work. I bet that mirco HDMI never left your home. 🤔🤔 And the truth is you're trying to provoke me on this, as you have no genuine experience or facts to argue sensibly with. So it won't work. 🤣🤣 Good luck with the R5. I see no need to continue any conversation with you. I shall also have to try and spot you again should you create any further anonymous accounts and avoid engaging with it as well. Deeply sad behaviour.
Its a petty they don’t solve the overheating and cooling down time. Not so good in 2020 to have your top pro mirrorless bodies severely overheating when used as hybrids, and rolling shutter level that reduce the mirrorless silent shutter benefit. Perhaps it was not only the Sony mirrorless benefits that made AP deselect Canon for all their photographers onwards. If you cant trust the camera to perform when needed ...
How would you solve the overheating filming 8K in that size of body with no fans? There is a reason cinema cameras are bigger, have fans and heat sinks that way as much as the R5. The cooling down time has been shortened significantly when they tuned the external and internal temperature monitors.
Wait what? You think AP deselected Canon? The truth is the AP went with the highest bidder. Of the 2000-3000 or so photographers the AP uses world wide the contract only affected a couple hundred. The contract would not have been worth much to Canon, but for Sony who had been shut out it was likely worth the cost.
@ Zeee - As you see in this DPR review you get 10 minutes of 4K HQ shooting after 1 hour of slow photography (2 pictures per minute). In normal temperature. Then you need to completely turn the camera off for a long time to get some recording time again. Its just not good for hybrid shooting. You ask me what they should do? There are many ways for the engineers to avoid overheating. Design image sensors and processors that consumer less power. Eg why does the R5 use twice the power than other 40+ Mpxl cameras even when its idle? Develop SW that is efficient. Thermal design of the camera, etc. Its up to the engineers to solve. The one thing they shouldn’t do is ship unreliable equipment at pro price level.
Maybe you should take up engineering and show them how it's done. It's not a pro cinema camera and never will be. The 5D4 was $3,500 at release. So they rushed it and made some programming errors. I can provide all types of examples of products with programming, etc. Hubble Telescope is one. During the last two weeks while conspiracy theories were out of control Canon was already working on the new FW.
Truth is, it was always a reliable camera for video. I saw several tests where almost no one could tell the difference between the unlimited 4k and 4k from other cameras. No matter what the unlimited 4k is available.
I saw one video where after the update the camera shot 2-5 minute scenes of 8k for several hours no problem. No other camera has 8k at all.
Someone also showed with a little fan he could recover after the warnings in as little as 5 or 10 minutes, back to 25 minutes continuous 8k.
How crazy is it that the camera some reviews have called the best overall for stills also is the only ILC capable of 8k raw, and with a good setup 8k raw all day.
What's with jon/Handsome90 melting down and attacking everyone who says the R5 is great camera?
I like how you resurrected this account account of yours that was not used for 3 years to pretend to be interested in Canon, even you are the most rabid Sony fan on the planet bashing Canon and posters every chance you get.
Previously with your other account (Willow W) you wrote to a fellow poster “ Were you too stupid to realize that when you said "We are talking about shooting still sports images.””
Also with your other account you wrote to me “Why do trolls like Handsome90 have so many posts in the Canon forum is the real question.”
Handsome90 is a a resurrected account used by the biggest Sony troll to bash Canon. He hadn't used it for 3 years and it suddenly reappears posting a dozen comments and posts a day to bash the R5 because he can't post in the Canon forums with his other accounts, Now he is lying and saying the canon users are other people too trying to deflect from his use of multiple accounts. Handsome90, everyone knows you have no interest in the R5. But you'll continue to bash the Canon and anyone who says something positive about it. Just come clean. You have several accounts. You didn't just reappear after 3 years and start bashing Canon. You spend your life bash any system that's not Sony with different accounts. An then when caught make up cr@p about other people being the same.
@Noah, I never had/have any other DPR account. If you believe so then please tell DPR to check my IP. I’ll cooperate with their investigation.
But others including me have noticed that Willow W and Noah have been claiming that 8K when downscale to 4K leads to an increase in 1 DR. Similarly both of the accounts have also stated that downscaling leads to 4:4:4 from 4:2:2.
For the record I have stated many times R5/6 are good overall cameras. But prepare to be fact checked when making statements like claiming it’s autofocus tracking beats 1DXiii/A9ii or R5 has no rolling shutter etc. Also all of my claims are backed up by evidence like stating the page number from the manuals or showing photos or videos documenting my assertions.
Of course you will deny you use multiple accounts.
Its obvious though. You created this account and it sat dormant for 3 years. The suddenly you start using it to bash the R5, Canon, and anyone who says anything positive about the R5. And you expect people to believe you went from never posting to bashing Canon 10 times a day, or every chance you get.
Come clean. you are are Sony troll and you are using this account to pretend you are interested in the Canon which you constantly bash it.
btw, I found 3 people who mentioned 4:4:4 to 4:2:2. I learned about it recently in the Canon forum too. I also learn GH5 users were doing it to get the best 1080p video (it was the GH5 that killed off that awful 8 bit A7Sii).
Don't get so angry knowing the R5 can create 4:4:4 4K video and the A7siii can't even shoot full resolution 4K.
@Noah, you keep repeating the same stuff as Willow. Previously I had a conversation with Willow W about about clog3 as shown here https://ibb.co/PQdZb4g
The Handsome90 account didn't post for 3 years and now responds to posts in seconds. If you say anything negative about Sony in the Canon forum he will attack you with in minutes. He scans and saves posts he doesn't like and that bashes people who post the obvious. How much of your life do you waste patrolling comments and saving the ones you don't like? what a loser.
Yeah, I repeated other people who showed Handsome90 lies frequently when bashing Canon. It was Handsome90 who posted word for word the same lie about clog3 as jonpais. So by his own admission he and jon are the same person.
Come clean. You use multiple accounts. Your Handsome90 account wasn't used for 3 years, so you started using it to bash Canon in the Canon forums.
No one believes you didn't post for 3 years and then started posting 10 times a day bashing the R5.
The fact that this phenomenon that a account that has been dormant for some months suddenly become active and starts to defend canon and attack sony suggests that it has been very probably a paid effort by 2 to 3 people.
Another thing I have noticed is that when such account become active the "other accounts" take back seat and their number of posts become a few in those threads. This drop in posts by other accounts suggest that it is by same people who hold multiple accounts.
PS: They can improve this aspect of giveaway by making uniform number of posts. But it will be extra work for them.
PS2: We have not see this phenomenon from any other brand. Not from nikon , nor from m43 etc, only canon so far.
So you think because the Handsome account was created years ago but not used until recently means there is a paid entity behind it. The truth is, it does look suspicious. No comments then over 600 mostly pushing one brand in a few short weeks. I don't think he'll tell us the truth though.
Highly unreliable camera. Some people claim 1h extra recording while others show only 5min more compared to firmware 1.0. No one has any idea what can be expected from the camera in different environments. No one knows how long they have to wait to get back the full recording time. If is inside does one thing, if it's outside does another. It's just all over the place.
Well if it overheats you can still take 4k30p LQ video and take pictures. Other cameras when overheated will shutdown and won't turn on until some time has passed. So it's not that unreliable
@PAntunes, “If is inside does one thing, if it's outside does another.”
Isn’t it just physics? To be fair Sony also had the same behaviour with longer recording times in cooler environment. I remember Sony (at least in some of the cameras) the expected behaviour in different temperatures was mentioned in the manual.
Official word from Canon on expected recording times at different temperatures or how to extend them would driver consumer confidence in their cameras.
So is a car unreliable, if one person has a different experience than another? If so, then ALL cars are unreliable, because everyone has a different experience with their car compared to others who have the same car. In fact, all products are like that. There are differences in the way people use products, the environments they use those products, and even the products themselves (i.e. one or more circuits in an electronic product will be slightly different). I had a Sigma SD-14 camera, which overheated, but I read reports from other people who never had any overheating issues with their Sigma SD-14 camera. Was mine defective, or was it just because I live in Florida, where the weather is warmer?
We don't know what the ambient temperature is where these people are using their Canon cameras. It's summer time now (August 2020). We're likely to see differences between one camera and another based on ambient temperature as well as usage. Watch what happens in fall and winter.
If I was gonna buy an electric car and someone told me it sometimes could do 300km with one charge but other times could only do 30km, sometimes would charge in 30min but other times would take 8h on the same charger, I would consider that car unreliable when other cars are way more consistent.
The problem are not the changing limits, it’s the inconsistency and different times between them. You simply have no idea what to expect.
The R5 can ALWAYS shoot 4K vdeo. And after the FW update significantly improved many aspects of recording video. A better example would be buying an electric care that gets not only a boost to range, but a boost in speed with a FW update.
And everyone does know what to expect. It can always shoot stills, it can always shoot 4K video, And it can shoot 8K video unlike any other camera. And it can shoot raw video internally unlike any other camera around.
It should be fun to see how much faster the A7Siii overheats shooting 4K 60p in the sun after this FW update, We know from multiple videos by different people it overheated faster even before the R5 FW update.
Noah M With the R5 you start a project without knowing what to expect. As you said, the only reliable option is 4K non HQ. That’s what you have to be happy with to start a project. Everything else, you just don’t know if you’re gonna get and for how long.
So all those blind tests where people could not see a difference with the non-HQ 4K vs other cameras' 4K were faked? lol!
And you have to pretty stupid to think anyone would start a project without understanding their camera for still or for video. We've already seen many people test their R5 cameras to make sure it can shoot 8K video "all day" or shoot 4K HQ video for hours. We've seen professionals even before the FW shoot wedding in 4K 60p. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxBPe14Sndw
You are lying if you say that guy doesn't know what to expect after the FW update,
I see you are a HUGE Sony fan and not really interested in R5 at all. So I can understand why you are trying to spread FUD.
And that video you just posted is exactly what I'm talking about. The guy is constantly having to turn off the camera and letting it sit. And because he filmed a clip for 5min, he had to go to 1080.
Dan Watson did a test with the new firmware and he got to the same conclusion. It's all over the place. Now you can't even trust the timer in the new firmware. So you'd be waiting because you need to film 5min and the camera is saying 1min, but actually you could already be filming because you already have 5min back... But you can't start filming until you're sure... And then on some other tests it's exactly like the old firmware, to the second..??
Instead of having a reliable tool, you have to be constantly stressed, looking at the timer to try to manage the recording times. That's no way of working...
The truth is, the R5 is a reliable camera. The Sony cameras with their overheating problems were less so because overheating meant no stills or video at all. And none for a good 20 minutes.
That's something overlooked. In those videos where the A7SIII overheated, it became a brick. Not so with R5. It was still usable for stills and video.
I would not hesitate to use an R5. And if I needed a camera for stills and video it would be at the top of my list.
Canon has pretty much killed of most of the overheating complaints. Users are reporting they are getting over 3 hours of video use without overheating when shooting 3-5 minute clips and 30 minutes continuous . Recovery times are greatly diminished too. It can shoot unlimited HQ 4K and 4K 60p with an external recorder too.
And to address other things users have asked for Canon confirmed these will be added next: Canon Log 3 option Lower bit rate option for 8K RAW video recording Lower bit rate option for all IPB video recording modes Addition of the 119.88 fps option for Full HD (1080p) recording Canon Cinema RAW Light.
I read a lot about how amazing Cinema RAW light is. It is simply the RAW data in a smaller format. Because it doesn't have anything baked in it is incredibly flexible with the most DR possible.
"Canon Log is designed to deliver an 800% increase in dynamic range, minimising the loss of detail in the darkest and brightest parts of the image. It delivers a versatile base for grading, but Cinema RAW Light unlocks more options in post-production. Like Cinema RAW Light, Log footage starts out as raw sensor data but then the gamma curve and processing parameters are baked into it at the point of capture. This doesn’t happen with a Cinema RAW Light file (.CRM). In fact, it isn’t a movie file at all, it’s simply a container for all that raw sensor data, and it has to be unpacked, debayered and modified in software before being exported in a choice of formats appropriate for ingestion into popular post-production packages. a different colour space and gamma to those set on the camera at the time of shooting can be assigned to the exported file, for example, applying Log 2 (with compatible software) to enable the maximum 15-stops of dynamic range to be achieved."
@Gm750, How are the 61 megapixel photos coming out of R5?
Or does resolution only matter when Canon has a slight edge? Did you have the same opinion of 8K having outstanding detail when Canon didn’t have 8K cameras (like when they released R and RP).
I don"t think Sony has inherently better cooling systems in their ILC's than Canon. What they don't have is 8k or 4k downsampled from 8k so they are not dealing with the same issues (Canons standard 4k 30p has no overheating issues). Panasonic has used a fan in their camera, Canon opted not to do that for their own design reasons. All of the people on these comments who think they can design a better system, why don't they? They could patent it and sell to the camera companies. Talk is cheap. Design is always a compromise, size, weight, cost, etc thats why we see madcap prototypes of all sorts of products (cars are a good example) that never see the light of day as production models or rare very expensive no holds barred limited editions affordable only to the 1%.
@KZ7: I agree. It's all about compromises and in the end the photographer should evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of various cameras and then choose what comes closest to his/her specific needs. Through 55 years with photography I have never owned a camera where I didn't have to find workarounds here and there.
As for "madcap prototypes", I remember a forum discussion 2 or 3 years ago where somebody had developed a gizmo for cooling Sony cameras - in his case to avoid increased noise when the sensor got hot. I and others saw that gizmo as an ergonomic nightmare and a solution looking for a problem while the inventor saw it as the 8' wonder of the world. As I predicted back then, the idea seems to have sunk without a trace. Now, the video heating problems - which may or may not be there - with the R5 (and other cameras as well?) indicate that the device might actually have been able to solve a problem (video heating) but the ergonomy of it would IMHO still be prohibitive.
Maybe they've come up with the best possible cooling strategy. It's not like Canon is known for making cameras that overheat, like some other companies are known for. As processing chips bet better, and operate cooler, 8K video capabilities will become more doable, using less power and heating up the cameras less. It's to be expected that the first camera with 8K video capabilities will overheat pretty quickly. I bet every 8K capable camera that comes out this year will overheat quite often. Then, in 2021, there will be some cameras that are capable of shooting 1 hour of 8K video continuously. By 2022 8K will be so common that lots of cameras will come on the market with no overheating problems, even when shooting 8K video.
This camera shoots full 8K video (8196 pixels wide) and their camera can't even shoot full 4K (4096 pixels wide). And if you use its best IBIS (which is actually bad) you can't even get close to 4K because it crops.
Looking forward to Dan Watson's next test showing how the A7Siii overheats faster too. After this FW it won't be close.
It already happened. And he was not the only one. Dan even did it again with all the settings Sony users said would work better - same results. There are several videos showing the A7Siii overheating BEFORE the R5 FW update.
Of course the A7Siii can't shoot 8K so we can't compare that. And the A7siii can't shoot full 4K (4096 pixels wide) so we can't compare that.
@Willow why do you have over a hundred of comments under the A7siii and A9ii articles? We haven’t forgotten your disinformation.
Seems like you were you were very angry at that time 😅. Also it appears you don’t like getting fact-checked.
FYI In television and consumer media, 3840 × 2160 (4K UHD) is the dominant 4K standard, whereas the movie projection industry uses 4096 × 2160 (DCI 4K). Making Hollywood movies are not the intended target of A7siii users but it would have been nice to have.
Handsome you are so angry you are replying to the wrong person in the wrong comments section, lol!! This is the R5 FW comments section not a Sony comments section.
btw, the S1H RAW video is considered 5.9K because it is 5888 pixels wide. The Canon 8K RAW video is 8192 pixels wide. Both the Canon and Panasonic shoot Full 4K video at 4096 pixels wide. This is the standard the film industry uses, It is also called Cinema 4K and DCI 4K. Also while 1920 pixel wide video was called HD, 2048 pixel wide video was also the standard for 2K. The truth is Sony video is 3.8K by many standards and it is not very useful when shooting in wider aspect ratios. Apple TV+ has a standard of at least 17:9 for their videos, and almost all of their shows are shot in at least 2:1. Even comedies like "Ted Lasso" are 2:1.
Not sure why you're cheering on one camera to do worse than the other. Dan's A7SIII is most likely faulty and Sony is sending him a new one. His finding is clearly outlier since there are many videos showing the A7SIII shooting 4K60 for more than 2hrs in hot sun.
So Noah you are hell bent on using the cinema industry standards for 4K but won’t the cinema industry standard for dynamic range score? Got it! I wonder why!
Also for people who don’t want to use an external audio recorder you can’t add 4 XLR mics to your camera like you can do to Sony with the digital hot shoe adapter.
IBIS wise a walking test showed A7SIII (with digital stabilisation turned off) is better than R5. But didn’t you say A7siii has the worst IBIS? But for a steady shot R5 was better. https://youtu.be/5OwwqjOEkps
You can tell when someone is trolling. They attack posters and use phrases like "hell bent".
Handsome90, numerous people including GU had shown the the R5 has at least 12 stops of DR using the industry standard for measuring it. And now Canon is adding Cinema RAW light which should increase DR by 2 more stops to 14-15 (like it does with there their other cameras).
And I just watched 3 videos including one from CC that showed just how terrible the IBIS is the A7siii. But if you want to trust Tony N, then that's fine. He found the R5 IBIS was better in some situations and the AF was better than any Sony camera. And we all know Chelsea is dumping Sony (as are many others). Thanks for that! LOL!!!!
//Handsome90, numerous people including GU had shown the the R5 has at least 12 stops of DR using the industry standard for measuring it//
You do know the difference between usable dynamic range and dynamic range with the noisy floor?
Selective hearing and watching I see. Gerald Undone also mentioned A7siii has more dynamic range at ISO 102400 (if I remember correctly) than R5 has in its base ISO. Source here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG79FkN7EPk&t=1026s
I mention a video about 6 flaws of the A7Siii (where he shows how bad the A7Siii active IBIS is, that is somehow misinformation?) Funny thing because you said that guy didn't even have an A7siii, lol!!!!! btw, "active" IBIS crops the video which is bad because the A7Siii barely has 4K pixels to start.
It must stink to be you these days. The Canon has the best AF, it has the most DR for stills, it will have the most DR for video, may found it now can shoot 8K "all day", and reviews say it is the best mirrorless camera "on the planet". Ron from whistling wings photography, one of the most respected bird photographers in the US (who switched from the A9ii to the R5) says the R5 is by far the best camera he's ever used and the electronic shutter works superbly for shooting BIF. Your job gets more futile every day. :D
//Funny thing because you said that guy didn't even have an A7siii, lol!!!!!//
Funny you never share link to sources because you would be caught spreading disinformation. I wrote “ Yes now. Not at the time that video was made”. We were referring to the video titled “2 Reasons To Buy Canon R5 Instead of Sony A7S III” https://youtu.be/hdN7O7sHT60. Source https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64313351
Anyways that thread is messed up now as a few posts got deleted.
//I mention a video about 6 flaws of the A7Siii (where he shows how bad the A7Siii active IBIS is, that is somehow misinformation?)//
Someone replied to you about this, “ But that does not change the fact that he thinks its a fantastic camera, contradictory to what you make it sound like.” Another person wrote to you, “ Good grief Noah, he said that when he made a mistake in the settings!!!! He didn't use Active and when he did he was complimentary of the IBIS. You either didn't watch or you watched 'selectively', hearing only what you wanted to hear.”
Yeah, imagine if they never even talked about its capability to shoot 8K video, and just concentrated on the fact that it's the first Canon camera with IBIS, can shoot at 20 fps in full resolution with the digital shutter, and offers more dynamic range than any other Canon camera? The video people would discover it can shoot 8K and freak out! lol
There have been a number of users getting almost an hour of 8K video and with only a small fan able to get back to more long record times with only a 10-15 minute wait.
As users learn more these times are only going to go up.
Also if you haven't seen its been confirmed the R5 is getting Cinema RAW light, a RAW format that's easy to use and with no baked in settings giving the R5 even more dynamic range. Clog3 and lower bit rates are coming too.
The camera already has the best AF and works virtually naively with the best and most extensive line of ILC cinema lenses. And if you know even a little about video, you know the huge benefits of 8k and how it makes the best 4K video too.
“I am not video guy, but according to some of my friends, they rather have a lower resolution camera instead of something got overheated and locked up in the middle of the shooting. and according to them, for video, 12 is not useless as many said.“
Previously you have claimed not to have shot more than 10 mins of video in your entire life and now you are here to teach us about videography?!
Enjoy your R5 with 10+ stops of DR in RAW (IMATEST score).
By the way the autofocus test of R5’s cousin R6 didn’t live up to its hype. Let me quote a fellow poster “ I just checked the AF review of the R6 and I too was surprised at the camera's performance. I did expect a lot more photos to be in focus than there was.”
Handsome90 is well known now as being one of the worst Sony trolls. He love to post information he knows that wrong.
We've seen several tests where the R5 already has 12-13 stop of DR and with Cinema RAW Light that may increase a little more. (remember when he kept lying and saying you could not use clog3 with the R5?) And he keeps forgetting to mention that after normalizing 8K to 4K you gain over 1 stop in DR (just like you do when normalizing a 36MP image to 8MP).
I can see why he is on his campaign though, The A7Siii can't even shoot oversampled 4K, and when its best IS is enabled it losses even more resolution. That's bad because the A7Siii doesn't even shoot full 4K (4096 pixels wide). At its best it falls a few hundred pixels short.
There is a good video on the 6 deadly flaws of the A7siii on YouTube. The best thing the A7Siii does according to most is shoot 2:1 over sampled 1080p video. Which is funny because the R5 shoots 2:1 over sampled 4K video that blows it away.
zxaar, you didnt understand what we talk about and no one talked to you. i‘m sure handsome is big enough to talk for himself. (honestly i‘m not sure but nevermind).
handsome, tell me where i called the overall performance of the a7siii mediocre.
@Noah, I use the industry standard definition of DR and there I used IMATEST DR. It’s a way to standardise measurements. Those score that you have touted aren’t the equivalent IMATEST scores (calculates the signal to noise (SNR) threshold of 2). Do you want to use Xyla equivalent?
For those who don’t know about IMATEST here are some information “ Imatest has been adopted by a wide range of industries that employ embedded digital imaging systems, including mobile imaging (camera phones), medical imaging, aerospace and machine vision, as well as publications/reviews, and academic, cultural, and research institutions.”
It has been already showed to you by jonpais that 13 or 14 stops of DR footage won’t be acceptable to a lot of people. It can be acceptable to you but not everyone. You seem to care a lot about image quality with your parroting of resolution advantages but fail to accept that those video with such heavy recovery fall apart.
Yeah, except everyone who shot RAW and edited the video for best DR got 2 stops more with that test. It shows just how dishonest you can be, Just like when you said you can't use clog3.
And now the R5 will have Cinema RAW light for more DR and clog3 internal.
I can see why you are being dishonest. The A7siii can't even shoot oversampled 4K, let alone 6K or 8K.
Several test showed that if you use "active" IBIS on the A7Siii and reframe or crop just a little, you end up with less than 3K video. Its pretty bad. The camera can't even shoot full 4K (4096) pixels wide video internally under any conditions.
The A7siii would have been good 2 years ago. But 2 years from now it will be a antiquated joke.
"zxaar, you didnt understand what we talk about and no one talked to you. i‘m sure handsome is big enough to talk for himself. (honestly i‘m not sure but nevermind)."
Talk in personal messages then if you do not want people to comment on what you write here.
No one is interested in you. I comment on what i read.
zxaar, „no one is interested in you“. well, you obviously are interested. also, it would be a fair statement to say „YOU are not interested in me“. the fact that you believe you can talk for everybody is interesting... and tell your handsome friend that he still owes me an apology.
@Noah, From Cine5d “ Because 8K RAW is so noisy, IMATEST (figure 4) calculates the signal to noise (SNR) threshold of 2 already at 10.3 stops.” Standardisation enables comparisons and that’s why in the industry they use IMATEST. Otherwise someone will be quoting usable dynamic range and others the dynamic range with the noisy floor. Remember Canon used CIPA for their IBIS and battery life. It enables apples to apples comparison
FYI I said R5 doesn’t have clog3. It’s literally in the manual on page 331. It says “Canon log 2 and Canon log 3 are not supported.” You can twist it and use words such as “apply” or whatever. Also you made exactly the same comment from your Willow account about me
@mammagamma, my point one the person who called a7siii as overall mediocre was flame baiting. It was not you but Willow/Noah.
Handsome90 keeps getting caught lying, He thought he was in the Sony comments section and he thinks he is responding to someone who I don't see any posts from.
Handsome90 knows the R5 is capable of over 12 stops of DR. Even Gerald Undone admitted this. And that was before Cinema RAW Light.
He also knows the A7Siii cannot shoot RAW internally. It can't shoot 8K. It can't shoot 5.9K. It can't shoot 4.5K, nor can it shoot full 4K (or DCI 4K/Cinema 4K). And if you use active IBIS its resolution gets even worse,
I will skip what Gerald Undone said, Tony & Chelsea, Jared Polin, Potato Jet, heck, I will even skip what this site that many fanboys lurk all day trolling here and there.
Here is a video done by Parker Walbeck, who is a loyal creative Canon user comparing the R5, 1DXIII and A7sIII.
Key points, - In a blind test for video quality, two thirds of people who voted gussed wrong as there is no difference between all three cameras (R5 is downsampled from 8K and 1DXIII downsampled from 5K)
- Sony's dynamic range is waaaaay better than both Canons (even at ISO 100k+ the A7sIII have more DR than the R5 have in the base ISO.
- Low light performance is far ahead with Sony.
-The codecs and footage from Sony is easier to edit.
But let me mention that you should focus on how many times they mentioned R5 and overheating. Even, Parker Walbeck said that he is not considering the R5 as an OPTION for his work for clients because it is UNRELIABLE.
zxaar, i have the impression you are discussing with yourself in a loophole. i never claimed you said that name calling is not ok. you owe me an apology for your unsubstantiated claim and offense.
it is also quite entertaining that you call me a troll and at the same time call the R5 unreliable garbage.
8k is the way of the future....SONY will try to develop a camera that shoots 8k......it is what all the camera companies are trying to develop and Canon delivered first...only a SONY paid troll could consider that a gimmick
Hmm if i look around here, Philmar, i can see a 40D with 5 Canon lenses. Very happy with that. Then there is a Canon s100. The other - laughable - camera i own is on the back of this cheap ass tablet from the Aldi on wich i am typing this. Oh yea and then there is the camera on my nokia 6303i cellphone wich is hilariously bad but useable to give impressions. Actually i am surrounded by gimmicks! My last Sony gimmick was a dsc-v1 wich was very nice still got enjoyable photos from it, but alas in 2009 the sensor died. I bought sony stuff after that but hated the colors already owning Canon 30D. So that made Sony cameras gimmicks to me. Actually everything in the world is just a gimmick if it doesnt have an OVF!
This firmware update is too little an increase in record and recovery times to make the purchase an attractive one for me for video shooting. Good enough to make personal and short projects viable at the HQ video recordings, and a benefit to those who have already purchased the camera as such. The elephant in the room is that the camera can according to several tests accommodate more leeway on record and more importantly recovery times. The rumoured announcement of a C70 points to the reason why such limitations are needed on what is basically a Photo camera with some video functionality. Whilst I need a little bit of photo in my work, I am more drawn to dedicated video cameras, as the right tool for the job. Canons idea of a hybrid is too conservative on good video usablity for my taste. Maybe the C70 will address the balance. I'd rather pay more for reliable video shooting.
Quite pointless upgrade. We have had weeks of people telling us that no-one shoots more than 5 minutes of video clips so what the point of increasing the time.
Zxaar, i think you are my troll champion by far. I see you in every Canon news here, and your opinions are so pointless. Ho my... some Sony users can have interesting points about other products. But fanboys like you. And it seems you are never tired. But believe me, you tire readers.
"Zxaar, i think you are my troll champion by far. "
Are you one of those hypocrites who were complaining about sony overheating for 4 years and then when canon has issues suddenly telling everyone that no-one shoots more than 5 minutes of video?
I am asking because you sound hurt by my comments.
My rule since many years is that the more cry babies (that never used the camera) I see parroting and wining in forums, the better it probably is. This was true for most Blackmagics, Ricoh GR, Nikon Z7, Nikon D500 the list goes on and on.
I haven't been interested in the R5 at all but all this crying has definitely started to change my mind.
Keep in mind that the new firmware is encrypted and may prevent future hacked firmware that removes all artificial limitations from being installed. Personally I would wait to see what comes out in the future if I had an R5 with the original firmware.
Not true. I was seriously interested in the R5, waiting to see if it offered unlimited recording. Obviously it doesn't. If there were a mod out there that would remove the limitations I would again be seriously considering it.
A few years ago, everyone complained that Canon did not support 4K in many of their bodies and Canon replied that there were heat concerns that caused them to exclude 4K. Canon now releases a flagship body with high quality 4K and 8K and everyone complains about the heat issues. You're damned if you do and..........
But MikeRan we aren’t allowed to mention those cameras!
“A few years ago, everyone complained that Canon did not support 4K in many of their bodies and Canon replied that there were heat concerns that caused them to exclude 4K.”
Check out the features unlocked by Magic Lantern in the 5D series of cameras. https://youtu.be/xOiRKCi60TM Also see after all the bad buzz Canon “unlocked” the recovery times. Some are saying it has been shortened from 2 hrs to 20 mins. Also they are bringing C-Log 3 (which is not a new feature) to R5. I wonder why! Nothing to do with the one of the worst PR disasters for a camera company.
@MikeRan... When you say "others solved the heat problem" it's not strictly true. I am not saying that you're deliberately misleading, not at all. Others chose to put a fan or used low mp sensors. First compromises the dust and moisture resistance, second naturally generates lower heat due to lower mp count but compromises on the photographic resolution. It's a question of which compromise one chooses to live with. Very high resolution video generates heat period. In R5 and R6 cases it's a marketing/communication strategy fail on Canon's part. But to announce these cameras useless or fail is simply misleading to say the least. Despite the limitations R5 and R6 generates gorgeous 4K video files and with the current FW update they are much closer to being hybrid shooters. But a perfect camera for everyone doesn't exist.
some people feel better when they beliebe what they like even when various tests proove otherwise. physics are the same for all. there is no other camera out there that even is able to record the same video quality, left alone without overheating.
//Others chose to put a fan or used low mp sensors.//
A9/ii has neither and has similar megapixels as R6.
//First compromises the dust and moisture resistance//
That's your opinion and not based on facts. Here is a quote from the director of photography at AP "We tested cameras from several manufacturers in really harsh zones from the Arctic to the rainforest, to hostile environments, to hurricanes. The overwhelming response from the photographers was that they really liked the Sony equipment"
//Very high resolution video generates heat period//
Yes but it doesn't explain why R5 overheats in line skipping 4K60p (line skipping is the worst of the bunch). A7siii doesn't overheat badly in 4K60p. A9ii also offers oversampled 4K.
@mammagamma, //there is no other camera out there that even is able to record the same video quality, left alone without overheating//
Keep drinking the Canon kool-aid. R5/6 isn't the only camera in the world that can record oversampled 4K or 4K60p
@handsome90 did you read the full spec sheet or did your selective perception not allow for that? why does your argument have to include things like "keep drinking"? because ist is factually weak? probably. also, if you claim adding holes and fans to a body does not compromise the dust and moisture resistance we can stop the discussion here because YOU are far away from any fact base.
Could you explain the overheating is line skipping mode instead of ignoring that fact?
How many Panasonics with fans did you see failing due to dust, moisture or any related issue with weather sealing? Could you please bring a reference to each case and fge percentage of overall cameras used? Or even cases where they are affected by anything?
Ghuraify, so you cannot make your mind if a whole keeps dust and water away, interesting (or scary). if you want physical evidence you can make a test with a plastic cup or similar. drill a whole into its bottom and fill it with water. let me know the result once you're done.
@Mammagamma, You are stuck with the 8K resolution. You are failing to appreciate that other cameras have comparable 4K modes without overheating problems as widespread as R5/6. There were a few examples in my post. It has been explained to you that A7siii offers better 4K60p and 4K120p (no line skipping in both) and still doesn’t overheat as badly as R5/6. According to Sony it’s weather sealing is comparable to A7RIV. No fan involved and weather sealing isn’t compromised because of beefed up cooling. See the slides of Sony if you are interested in their engineering solution.
About vents and fans there are engineering workarounds. I am not an engineer so I can’t explain those to you. Apple watches have speaker holes (vents) and is literally used underwater without compromising sealing.
Like I said Canon isn’t the only camera manufacturer in the world making weather sealed cameras with 4K.
You guys are right in that Physics is physics. But the difference is the Canons are burning much more power and are simply generating more heat doing the same things compared to their competition. I posted somewhere a detailed analysis of the battery consumption and calculated power dissipation figures based on available info somewhere. I forget the exact numbers but the cannon’s simply are less efficient doing the same work
It’s like comparing an LED light bulb to an incandescent bulb. They both output 800 lumens, but one requires 100W to do it and the other requires 12W. Of course it’s not that bad, but if I remember correctly I figured the canon was burning 50% more power doing the same job. And this was a comparison vs a 24MP camera Doing a full readout 6k downsampled to 4K.
Anyway. As I said. Some have figured it out. And they have done so NOT only by figuring out how to get the heat out. But by creating less of it. And that’s the key.
Exactly, just like IBIS, competition had it for 14+ years before Canon. Then Canon came with an excellent IBIS and oh boy, fanboys are coming from every corner as if they invented a rocket.
@Mamma No I can't decide now, I need a valid proove that vents and fans are a negative feature that will damage the camera or the sensor. So could you provide me how many cases are there with this particular issue? We are talking about cameras here, not bottles.
So kindly again, could you give evidence? If you don't you can just admit it instead of trying to avoid answering.
Of so, your point is not valid as cameras are not affected negatively by vents and fans. In which case will show your lack of knowledge
Seloo Ahh he’s the infamous pit the cameras in the hot sun until they are too hot to touch from the sunlight. And then turn them on and see how long they last. See when you bring up these terrible examples of tests, and you totally ignore the commentary of the video then you lose all credibility.
There are multiple valid explanations here why the Sony shuts down quicker than the canon. And they all point to a poor thermal design on the Canon.
i am certainly not failing to appreciate that my R5 so far did eveything i wanted it to do and it did it better than I expected when i purchased it. If you guys are happy with your whatsoeverbrand camera then i'm happy for you. I am perfectly happy with my R5. what i hear from you is dissonance-reducing behaviour from sony shooters. not sure why you need that though, your stuff in not that bad.
I am glad that you are happy with the R5, it is indeed a very very excellent photo camera. The only concern is at the video side as it has a lot of drawbacks for a lot of people.
Just to let you know, even tho I own a Sony, I am still using 5DIII, Nikon D850 and XT-3. They are not mine, but I am using them more often as I need otger cameras than what I own for certain situations.
I don't have a problem with any brand. I have a problem with trolls only.
"Here is a real world test regarding the "others solved the overheating issues"
I wonder where is Dan. Surely now he must have gotten replacement from sony no? Is he able to overheat the A7s3 too? I am not sure why there is now silence on overheating front for sony. No new person also coming out and overheating it.
Ghuraify, let me help you get out of the corner you are stuck in. It is self-evident that a whole in whatsoever reduces its sealing against water or dust - yet probably also against heat. accepting that does not let you loose your face. what you are trying to debate is the practical relevance of this and/or what mitigating solutions there are and what the best real-world solution is. in my mind this again depends on the primary use of the device. i'm primarily a stills shooter, and as such i am absolutely delighted with my R5 and i prefer the sealed body. if someone is primarily a video shooter then a fan might be the better solution overall. if someone is a serious video shooter, the C-series cameras are certainly the better choice.
@seloo, sure A7siii overheating is more widespread than R5. Which camera does reach the overheating temperature by just leaving it on for a significant time period? Never heard of any other camera do that before!
Philip Bloom, Gordon, Jordan, Manny Ortiz, Matti Haapoja, Benn TK, Gerald Undone, Tony Northrup, Jared Polin, Potato Jet and Peter Lindgren didn’t have any overheating issues or not as significant as R5. Kai overheated it in 2 hrs and 18 mins I think. Philip Bloom (who is no fool) conducted several overheating test for A7siii and made it only overheat at 40 C https://youtu.be/W6G7Lk3tr0Y Another reviewer were stress testing it and managed to overheat it sunny weather outside (31 C) in 57 mins (settings: 4K100p XAVS-HS). Link here https://youtu.be/RnqmIAI8oOA One person continuously recorded over 24 hrs and no heat
In contrast for R5 it takes 15 mins to reach the overheating temperature for 4K120p. All the review channels that I saw showed Canon overheated even in mild temp.
@Mammagamma, even an amateur like me without an engineering background can design something to cool an object inside the box from outside without compromising sealing. Connect a radiator or thermal pad to your object, and drill a hole for the heat pipe and put it through the hole. Connect the heat pipe to the radiator. Seal the box and the drilled hole. Use an external fan to cool the outside end of the heat-pipe. By thermal conduction the external end of the heat-pipe will cool the object inside th sealed box.
It doesn't take the wildest of imagination to think of ways to cool something from outside without compromising sealing. Are you done now?
Handsome90, if you are trying to make a fool out of yourself you were succesful. But you would not have needed that last post for that. what do you mean with "are you done now?". is this some sort of silver back rumbling?
I am not the one who is in the corner. You still didn't give any evidence of your claim!
So after me asking for it 4 times without you giving an evidence, should we consider that a cooling fan is not affecting the camera in a negative way? As there are no weather seal issues.
My phone have both a headphone jack and a charging port. Both are "holes" in a phone that you can use under water, weather sealed (dust and water). So your point ia not valid.
You still didn't give any evidence. If you are debating, then you need evidence to support your claims (in which case you didn't provide any). Instead, you started to avoid giving any validation for your claims.
Its not a shame not to know everything, the shame when we don't admit it.
I will still ask you to provide the evidence I asked for for the sake of debate and the benefit of others.
I can actually design a cooling solution with fan that won't expose electronics of the camera to outside. Heat transfer is one of the things i do along with fluid dynamics.
I'm reading... Before FW upgrade: Line skip 4K is great and good enough, who records 4KHQ, 4K120, 8K.
After FW upgrade: Canon did restrictions to protect the camera otherwise you'll fry your camera. that is a great thing.
For me... the R5 issues are mix of two things 1) Hardware design decision. Canon used the same parts as 1DX III but 1DX III was designed from the ground-up to accomodate effective heat dissipation. the R5 body can't do the same thing. so they restrict it by software rather than designing a proper HW design. this can be read as pros and cons -pros, rather than developing new main components, Canon can focus on improving on one platform rather than multi. i guess this would simplify their automated manufacturing process i.e. they choose to make stuff in Japan. -cons, there are draw backs on using similar common platform... we have all this limits in compact bodies.
2) Their business strategist are still the same. limited or pay more for pro stuff.
@Vignes: you wrote, about the R5 "Canon used the same parts as 1DX III..." I don't understand why you would write that...
Canon uses the same Digic X processor in the R5 that they use in the 1DXIII. But aside from that, none of the main parts of the 1DXIII are used in the R5. The R5 uses a different image sensor, VF, battery, adds IBIS. In short the R5 is entirely different in components than the 1DXIII except for the processor. So Canon did develop new main components for the R5; indeed they had to because the 1DXIII is a DSLR and the R5 is a mirrorless body.
The R5 is supposed to fill the same role in the Canon lineup as their 5D series has served: a mid to upper tier price point, pro to semi-pro to advanced enthusiast market. It is not meant to be a substitute for the 1D series. That mirrorless model will come later.
I do agree that the R5 is so advanced that in many areas it compares well to the 1DXIII.
I’ll be curious to see the side by side outdoor overheating tests against the A7siii now that the R5 can record even longer. In those several previous tests the Sony body was 5 degrees warmer when it overheated first, so I don’t think they have the flexibility to increase times.
Canon fans are quoting him like gospel but aren’t subscribing to no life. Interesting.
But weren’t Canon fans saying they don’t care about video and wants it removed. There was even a poll! One guy even wrote “ Movie mode is there if I ever need it, but I have little to zero interest in it.” https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4508307
But after Canon fixed overheating all they are talking about is the gorgeous video.
@handsome You can pull random quotes from any poster to make a point about anything, nothing clever about that. I doubt that many posters on these forums would be immune from having made contradictory posts or simply changing their minds at some point. Besides you can still profess not to need or want high end video features and also be happy that improvements have been made to them, the two things are not incompatible.
@Handsome90 I'm one of those folks who don't care about video, but as a public service I posted so people who do care would know the truth. I also posted to annoy the counter-marketers.
Have you used the camera? Real owners of the camera, which you can read below among other places, are very pleased with the update. Other updates will follow.
But whose word should I take? The guy who posted below who is using the camera for shooting motorsports, has some great experience in photography and video, and again, is actually using the camera, or some random dude who decides to post a snarky comment? Or as the pro photographer with the camera called it, an "armchair troll."
Ghuraify - you comment was clearly sarcastic snark. Man up and own your comment instead of weakly and disingenuously pretending you were trying to be positive.
Sorry if my sarcasm hurt your feelings. Is there anything wrong with being sarcastic and at the same time wishing my fellow creative hybrid shooters an improvement for the camera they want? Or wishing it to be more reliable for them to share their creative content?
Unfortunately when you talk seriously they ignore facts you listed. Its like once you try to have a civilized conversation with some, they just act like they did not see.
TRU as a big example, he keeps bragging about someone wrote in a certain forum that he used the camera for whatever reason and find it without issues (without prove).
However, when you bring a lot of people and reviewers stating that the camera is unreliable, he just ignore and can't habdle that fact.
A Canon user (Parker Walbeck) said that the R5 is not even an option for him as he can't trust the camera for reliability, and thia is coming from a Canon user.
Jordan, Gerald and many others stated the same issues. He can't handle the truth and will say that someone in x forums said tge opposite.
This sounds exactly like an artificial limitation. If you keep calling out Canon enough, once their 'I can't keep lying anymore' will break and soon the R5 users will be gifted with unlimited 8k video through the firmware in another six months to a year.
Um, of course it is. If you don't want your electronics to fry you add sensors and a limitation. The question is how much heat and for how long can the electronics last before damage and how much of a risk are you willing to take. Since this is primarily a stills camera, they should be conservative with video. Look at the S1R. It has a fixed 15 minute limit for video.
I understand the heat warning part, it's the recovery time and recording limitations after the recovery time is very fishy. I am sure there will be more info available very soon. Their recovery time and the time available after recovery is extremely different from every other manufactures.
I think a responsible company like Canon would start out more conservative, want to err on the side of caution, and then gradually ease up as they feel comfortable doing so.
I don't think this is some grand conspiracy to sell more Cinema cameras, because as Roger Cicala pointed out, the price points and markets for those cameras are so different.
Why didn't they get it right the first time? We can only speculate, but these are complex instruments and even a company with Canon's resources needs to ship and prioritize. Keep in mind too that much of this execution over the last 6 months has been done in the time of COVID, which may have introduced inefficiencies into their work flow.
Obviously it would have been better to have gotten it more right when shipping, but at least we know they are working on it, have already improved it and will continue to do so. They've already announced another update in the pipeline.
TRU we didn’t forget how you talked about Sony doing the same thing in an effort to call into question the whole reliability of the camera. Do you remember making those comments?
@TRU, you wrote “ Keep in mind too that much of this execution over the last 6 months has been done in the time of COVID, which may have introduced inefficiencies into their work flow.”
Well Canon didn’t have to unveil the camera now if it wasn’t ready. They could have waited a few more months. Their rush to meet the deadline lead to a huge PR disaster. Sometimes slow and steady wins the race.
Btw Canon fans I keep hearing C-Log 3 will have more DR than 8K RAW. What’s up with that!
Jon Jon that’s ok. We don’t expect you to remember since you’ve only been here for 2 weeks. But yes, we are intelligent people and we have good memories.
Handsome90 said above, "C-Log 3 will have more DR than 8K RAW. What’s up with that!" You need to apply a profile to the RAW data.
Think of importing a RAW file into Photoshop. It applies a profile and then you edit it from there. If you don't lift shadows, adjust contrast and such, the resulting image or jpeg will show less DR. Probably what you mean is clog3 will will have more DR than RAW with another profile and no further editing.
Noah, i prefer Pana S1 fix 15min... it's predictable and easy to plan. Canon has released a product which has some features with unpredictable usage time... makes job planning hard.
@Noah, you wrote, “ Probably what you mean is clog3 will will have more DR than RAW with another profile and no further editing.”
That’s not what I meant. There were certain Canon fans who said DR issues will be fixed with C-Log 3. I asked them if they think C-Log 3 has more DR than RAW and they were parroting some crazy stuff.
I don’t drink the Canon kool-aid and have some common sense.
Regarding DR IMATEST DR in RAW is 10+ stops. God help us all if you think C-Log 3 will magically make it 13 stops (IMATEST equivalent).
Actual R5 owner experience on v1.1 and not a armchair troll:
As far as I'm concerned, this has fixed the camera for me. I don't consider myself a true "hybrid shooter" but I will often switch over to video for clips. On the previous firmware, I was locked out of 4K120 pretty quickly after shooting photos and that time was never recovered unless I left the camera entirely off and inside. I shot over 1,900 images yesterday covering a race. Ambient temperatures were at least 88* and I was shooting 5-12 RAW image bursts constantly over a span of 1-2 hour sessions all day long as cars came down the track. I was NEVER locked out of 4K120. As a matter of fact, the camera read over 7 minutes available, dropped down to 5, and never dropped below 4 minutes available record time for 4K120. Late in the day, with 4 minutes available, I shot 8 clips with a 5-15 second shooting duration and it maintained 4 minutes.
So I'm perfectly fine with how the camera performs now. I'll see if I can't get more information tomorrow (it's raining today so limited racing), but this is absolutely unreal. Went from being locked out, to fully usable overnight.
THAT SAID: Why did the camera ship to the public with such a poorly optimized firmware? I was pretty upset about the video being so "broken" but the photo capabilities of this camera are unmatched and were more than enough to justify the $3,800 price tag for me and what I do with it for a living. While the change may not seem like much on paper, get off your mom's couch and USE the camera before you comment. You all look like clowns.
Some users are able to recover to full record times in as little as 10-15 minutes now too. So you can shoot for 30-40 minutes, take a 10-15 minute break and record another 30 minutes. Rinse, repeat.
There are some other cameras on the market today that can't do that, but you don't hear a peep about them.
@Kevin I really like the first photo on your car racing portfolio. Striking. Have you had the chance to try the R5 in similar conditions? How are you finding the autofocus on the R5 for car racing? Any issues with the fps dropping as the battery level goes down as has been mentioned by some posters? Its good to get feedback from someone using the camera in real world scenarios.
@KZ7 thank you! I'll see if I can help you with some information.
I'm currently covering a race all weekend with the camera. I haven't felt the need to use my 1DXII at all - this camera will certainly replace it for me. The autofocus has been exceptional at tracking vehicles and I'm having trouble with the amount of "keepers" now...especially at 20fps in E-shutter - it's NUTTY! Tracking has seldom missed and I'm only tossing photos from my own error which is all I could ever ask for. I haven't gotten the batteries down TOO low in the grip. The ones in the grip haven't been charged since my last shoot and I got them down to about 53-57% toward the end of the day. I don't know if it was a placebo or not, but I did feel like it was slowing down a little at that point and changed batteries out. Starting today off with 100% and will let you know. I didn't notice any change in E-shutter. Which has proven to be 100% usable for what I'm doing this weekend - not for all applications.
@Kevin Diossi.. It's not placebo. John Laing in his tests also reports that fps decreases below certain percentage of the battery power. I don't exactly remember but it was either below 70 or 60 percent.
Let's be honest here; we all know this is a software limitation. This has nothing to do with temperature. The R5 was taken apart and examined while running with a thermal camera, and no part of it even exceeded 65 degrees, yet the overheat warning was still triggered. The overheat limitation can be defeated by removing the timer battery or flushing the memory and using a new card. Even Canon's own dev tools report that there is no overheating. This is a farce, and those defending it are showing themselves for what they really are.
The new firmware did not improve continuous shooting much. BUT...
In a mixed shooting test (30 seconds clip with 30 seconds recover time): - Old firmware got 22 clips before overheating. - New firmware got 96 clips before overheating.
That is a SIGNIFICANT improvement and more in line with real-world use.
@Noah, you wrote “ Those 30 second clips were 4K 120p. They cannot be played at 120p though and so each 30 second clip is really 2 minutes. That's over 3 hours of video.”
96 clips. 30 seconds each. = 48 minutes. But 4K 120p clips on the R5 can only be played at 1/4th speed, so over 180 minutes total. Or over 3 hours total. You guy's ain't too smart. :D
what a joke many dpr commenters are. They cry and whinge because Canon prevents them from frying their camera. They are angry they can't shoot 8k for extended periods even though 99% of them have no need to do so..... or even the computer power to even handle it.
I don’t see how shooting 8k for 25 minutes is “crippled “ when no other camera can shoot 8k for 1 second. All those other cameras are crippled even more.
Because most of the commenters are Sony fans only pretending to be interested in the camera. A lot of them try saying they had pre-orders for the R5, but if you go into their post history, every Sony-related comment is pro-Sony, every Canon-related comment is negative, and their equipment list is full of Sony gear. So they were going to pick up the R5 and then buy a bunch of RF glass when they already are well stocked with the latest Sony gear and happy with it based on all their comments? Yeah right. Although I'm sure there are some frustrated Canon shooters, most of the noise is faux outrage from Sony fans who have no interest in switching to Canon. They should just stick to shooting 8K on their Sonys and maybe they'd be a happier bunch. Oh wait, they can't.
All the Sony troll boi noise over here explains why it's been so quiet over in crop sensor country :-D They've taken a break from trying to convert us Micro Four Loser Thirds shooters to the Way and the Light which is Full Frame (Sony).
Canon shooters takin' one for the team, thanks guys!
Canon is making a 3900$ joke with its loyal user base. I would not trust any company which obviously cripples a product, no matter how good the product is. It could be the most capable camera ever made... but now it is another overpriced mediocre FF until someone hacks the firmware and makes it usable.
I have no complaints at all with my R5. Canon keeps adding new features and improving existing ones with revised firmware releases. How can this be a bad thing?
I forgot that in the Canon World every innovation(5 years apart) is a little miracle. Sorry to hurt your world, but there are cameras out there which shoot 4k 60p without artificial limitations and overheating after PHOTO!!! use. A7SIII and every other caamera out there makes circles around the R5 for video, because the R5 user sits there and waits for the ARTIFICIAL TIMER to stop. The camera does not overheat, but someone at Canon decided to cripple it hard. This person should be fired immediately. For photo use it is amazing camera, but sadly too late. Many more cheaper 42+ options out there. Love R6 though- great features for reasonable price.
you choose to call it cripple. every company makes their decisions for whatever reason. you imply bad intentions, you can do that for yourself. my r5 does not feel crippled but it performs like a beast.
Not sure how to read this, is there a Hardware limit or they just played with the software. it looks like soft limit. I personally don't think Canon would unlock the full potential of this hardware even it's fully capable. This is not a flagship camera. it's not in Canon nature to cannibalise the higher end camera which includes cine. they claim it i.e. their marketing folks. But why would Canon care... sales is good. For Canon, you complained... we have responded and that's it. Looking at Gordan's video... there is just too much 'mucking' around with 'time' with this camera. that's my impression. he spent a lot time finding ways to shorten the cool down period and trying to increase the record time. this piece is about 6.5K from where i come and you have to spend time planning to use the camera for best quality video to gain more useful time. it's okay for casual video work but if its an important job... use a reliable camera. Or follow the youtube professors using tapes, screws etc.
//Looking at Gordan's video... there is just too much 'mucking' around with 'time' with this camera.//
Discussions of video with the R5 and R6 are afflicted with the 'Texas Sharp Shooter Fallacy'.
For example: a person takes safari holidays and looks at the video and stills they shoot and sees that they only shot a maximum of 1 minute clips of the animals. They note the 30 minute recording time of the Canon and judge it's more than sufficient for their needs.
But they're assuming a possible total of 30 minutes EVERY TIME they shoot a 1 minute clip, which isn't the case. The 30 minutes decreases from the first clip, and with stills usage so when they get to the giraffes they're locked out of the video, despite only having a handful of 1 minute clips on the card.
It's both. Physics says there is a hardware limit (a point at which key components simply become too hot, or stay hot for too long) to function safely / reliably. But rather than rely solely on internal temperature measurements to establish this limit, Canon has written firmware to restrict operation based on shooting time. This is smart, since temperature sensors (like any hardware component) can fail. It's also responsible: Uncontrolled overheating could potentially be very dangerous - especially a device designed to be used right in front of your eye which contains a Li-Ion battery.
The new update is essentially a firmware tweak to make these programmed limits 'softer' and potentially also take ambient temperature into account, which may speed up recovery time.
Think of a bucket with a small hole in the bottom and several sources of water pouring into it. The CPU, the memory cards, even maybe the external conditions are generating heat, or in the example pouring water into the bucket. From the work Horshack and others have done it appears the card port is generating a lot of the heat. Removing the cards and recording externally slows the filling of the bucket enough that it is a long time before it overflows. Another example is they found by swapping out "cold" cards also increases record times. So the card port might be adding a good portion of water to the bucket.
The goal is to get close to adding only enough heat (or water) to the camera (or bucket) that it can cool (drain water) at a similar rate and greatly extend record times. Finding a way to cool the camera during recording would be like adding another hole.
So now the logic in the Canon FW says something like:
- I will start a timer and not pay a whole lot of attn. to the actual temperature sensor (in the camera) if it says camera is not overheating, just in case the camera temp. sensor is malfunctioning.
- If there is a card in the camera, i will assume it is overheating because these cards tend to overheat (based on the state of the art card technology in 2020) and shut down the camera after a fixed period of operation.
This would imply Canon would have to issue new firmware as cards became more efficient and generated less heat with use. In fact the firmware would have to have a database of all cards that exist over time and adjust the timer to match the card in use.
Wouldn't it make more sense to have several redundant temperature sensors and not use a timer just in case the one temp. sensor malfunctioned?
@wcan there are 3 temperature sensors in the camera. The CFe card/slot is a major generator of heat. Even connecting (without using) the CFe card to a reader to a PC generates heat. Recording externally without the cards reduces one source of heat generation
Okay, so there are three temperature sensors in the camera. So why doesn't the firmware just use the sensors? What are the odds of three sensors failing? I don't get the logic of using a timer and ignoring the actual temperature sensors. Can someone explain?
Barney, From an asset protection I agree, Canon may have done the right thing. I know these things because I work with tech involving critical asset protection used in hazardous process. But, if you over protect the asset to a point where it can’t produce products due to increase nuisance shutdowns, it’ll would be deemed unreliable and stakeholders won’t invest on tech like this. Canon probably didn’t balance the reliability vs availability scale weigh er. I think we’re giving too much credit for Canon’s engineering capability. rather than building an inherently reliable product, it looks like they are relying on active safety measures to manage it's reliability.
I should add (since my post above is now being taken out of context and used to attack my integrity on certain other forums) that what I described above is (safe to assume) standard on cameras of this type. I.e., keeping internal temperatures within safe limits via a combination of sensors and algorithms.
What Canon seems to have got wrong is that their firmware was too conservative when enforcing shutdown / cooldown limits. The new firmware improves matters somewhat, and evidence from Gordon at CameraLabs and others suggests that the cooldown is being better managed, too (effectively allowing active cooling to have an impact).
I think Roger Cicala explained this well too. Its better to error on the safe side and limit video and upset a few people, than to release a $3800 camera that damages itself and gets sent in for repairs.
And if you look at those criticizing the camera the most (and probably those attacking you), they would never buy this brand of camera under any conditions.
Noah and Barney... the way i see it, Canon R5 has good protection capability and due to this it has unpredictable usage outcome i.e. increase nuisance shutdown? Also, is Canon going to revise the numerical figures in their manual since this FW has now have different results... you can see the issue. it's messy.
Before the FW one person was able to shoot 8K for 145 minutes total with that trick. I don't know how happy Canon will be, but I imagine very soon there will be some very viable options for professionals who want to shoot 8K reliably.
Noah M, shooting 8k reliably without having a real overheating warning? You can be in the middle of a shoot and brick the camera completely. That's not reliable.
Sound like you are more familiar with Sony. When a Sony overheated in the past it would brick. No photos, no video, no anything. I hope they fixed this, but it was with a good number of cameras.
With the Canon the worst case is you can shoot stills and 4K non-HQ video. So saying it is bricked is incorrect. Maybe with Sony it is still true.
Noah M, if you try to work around canon's overheating, the worst thing that can happen is not just shooting stills and 4k non HQ. It's frying the camera... No stills, no 4k, no 1080, no power. Overheating warnings aren't put in place to limit the camera (unless you're canon). They're there to protect the hardware.
That depends, The internal temp is listed in the EXIF data. AS long as its in a reasonable range there should be no issue. There is some good discussion already about this. If the camera stops at 45C you should be OK.
And with the R5 you can always shoot stills and non-HQ video according to Canon.
I don't there is a way to bypass overheating warning. It still comes up and will stop the camera. The goal has been to confirm the temp stays at a low enough level via the EXIF data. That is what everyone is working on so that there is no danger.
The time limit is software based and not temperature related. Many have shown that even without increasing the exif temperature, the limit is still there. So that won’t give you any extra time.
We've seen 69 minutes of 8K RAW video recording by cooling the camera first and exchanging the cards and no battery removal. It is not 100% a time limit. Maybe there is a limit for a continuous video, but before the FW and before any battery trick, they were able to get over 60 minutes by stopping for a few seconds and swapping cards. And you can always shoot 4K and stills according to Canon with no overheating or shutdowns.
Btw, Jordan Drake said of his R5 after cooling it first, "It just recorded 45 minutes of 8K without an overheat warning." No warning at all!
People complaining that the Sony's weren't reliable because they overheated. I've never seen anyone trying to put a Sony in the fridge to prove it doesn't overheat....
Good update. Very promising. It is not a timer as some thought. I proposed a cooling fan on the card areas since that is the part that gets hot, and we know with no cards it can record for hours.
I dont think canon are mad enough to deliberately cripple their cameras in this way. It’s a flag ship model and it’s not like there’s a better camera in their lineup that does the same things without problems.
I think this is just developers using a hack to get around a problem. They probably know that if you consistently push this camera one of the chips is going to die. They probably just don’t know exactly when and what component will die. And they were told to design it with small form factor for a particular price with no fan by some high up exec. Finally they were told to have it ready by the Tokyo Olympics.
So they did what every good dev does with a gun to your head and a deadline, they guessed! They probably can’t get an accurate temp reading that they can rely on so they just guessed roughly what would protect the camera in ALL conditions, I.e. 35C and 5C etc.. and just bought themselves some time.
Either that or have tons of dead cameras sent back for repair.
For the price of two bodies, you can buy a nice video camera that will run all day. I don't get the teeth gnashing about this camera not being a stellar video camera. It's a stills camera that can do some video. That seems to be a simple concept people skip over. Canon themselves have pointed out the limitations when everyone surprised them with the questions. If you need long running video cameras, that is a well understood tool that is available to everyone. It is not a Canon R5 though. That's the simple truth.
Canon marketed this heavily for video which is the issue. Canon literally lead their product launch with a Youtuber(Peter McKinnon). https://youtu.be/0TdAeXzHiAs?t=135
@Richmondthefish - "the only viable way to use this as a video camera is you need two bodies at least"
that's certainly better, but $8k for two unreliable bodies is not a bargain, when you can get one camera that doesn't melt down for less money.
this video proves once again that the r5 does get hot when shooting stills, to the point where it significantly cuts down video recording time... it's a hybrid photo/video camera that isn't suitable for hybrid use.
What lens was used for this video? AF looked great and the shallow DoF gave some scenes a great 3D look. I am sure you had to rush this video, but you guys did a good job.
But the question about why Canon didn't mention "Temperature detection and shooting time control in video shooting have been improved. In addition, the total shooting time when the short-time recording and power-on/off are performed repeatedly at room temperature is improved." Probably should be removed from the video. :D
I said above they did a good job in a short period of time. A lot of hard work in a short time. They should remove that part though since the press release did address it, and it is inaccurate info.
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This update reinforces that there is definitely an underlying design issue that can only be properly addressed in the next hardware revision of this camera. They can only fudge the thermal shutdown threshold so much before the camera actually damages itself. I can’t imagine they’ll be able to get much more recording time via firmware.
It appears that some type of active cooling will be able to extend record times even more, though 40 minutes of HQ4K is very good. It might shorted recovery times even more. It looks like the sleuths at DPR are already looking into all this.
From Gordon Laing's testing at Camera Labs (good guy - buy him a coffee) it also seems that the camera may be taking ambient temperature into account during cool-down, which is encouraging (and something we'll be looking into). In the meantime, we're seeing an improvement of 24-35% (ish) in the more demanding video modes after the FW update which is definitely a step in the right direction.
Hmmm, Jordan says Canon doesn’t mention the heat related performance improvements, but the text accompanying the article, presumably straight from Canon, does. Why keep feeding conspiracy theories?
So - when Canon first told Jordan about the new FW, a few days ago, company representatives did not mention shooting time improvements. But when the FW was publicly released last night, this information was included in the release notes.
Videos take time to create, edit, export and upload, and time is linear. No 'conspiracy theories' here.
And yet Jordan knew it would make sense to test for shooting time improvements before the release notes were published. So why take shots at Canon for being secretive? That bit at the end just seemed gratuitous.
Not at all. Jordan obviously knew to test for improvements. He insinuated that Canon's failure to characterize the nature of the expected improvements was somehow mysterious and secretive. That's his speculation. Here is mine: after getting trashed for being enthusiastic about the initial release Canon decided not to characterize the improvements, but just to let people draw their own conclusions. Jared Polin has published his conclusions now: https://youtu.be/eJM0_pqxGD0 The counter marketers will have to retreat to a new line: the R5 still only gets 13 minutes more 8K than the competition (0 minutes) in direct sunlight on a hot day.
Cameras are great for recording short movie clips, but aren't designed to replace the non-stop video recording capability of camcorders. If you're using your camera to record long movie clips or shooting many continuous bursts of still pictures, the temperature inside the camera increases. If the temperature becomes too high, a warning icon may appear and the camera shuts down to protect the circuitry. This isn't a failure and your camera simply needs to be turned off for several minutes so it can cool down.
This is not the case with all cameras, and certainly not to the same extent as it is with the R5 and R6. They are particularly bad about overheating, to a point where it makes it hard to actually use their standout video features in any significant way. There are other cameras on the market with comparable features (although 8k is of course unique in this market segment for now) which are not nearly so limited by heat issues.
That is a direct quotation taken from the Sony USA website support page. I agree that different cameras suffer overheating to different degrees and the R5 at its highest settings certainly suffers from overheating to a degree that using those settings is problematic, however it is hardly unique in this and this firmware upgrade does imorove things. I've always maintained that if you want to shoot proffesional video, use a proffesional video camera thats been designed specifically for that purpose.
Did Canon actually put any form of temperature sensors in the cameras, or is it all just pre-determined software timers that dictate the overheat limits?
Temperature sensors are basically free to integrate onto semiconductor devices. Almost certainly they have a temperature sensor on the processor and on the image sensor. I saw someone said they have three sensors. I wouldn’t doubt that claim.
A Sony fan who tried to tell the world the FW only adds 5 extra minutes says he is not insecure. By the way, Welcome to Canon. You'll be a lot happier,
Yup, DPR is overrun with Sony fans (you can tell by how many people "Like" inaccurate and false anti-Sony-competitor comments). In the R6 article discussion, Sony fans were saying mind-blowing things like Sony FE glass is 1/3 the price of RF glass (completely wrong -- they are very similar), that RF glass is "huge" (I guess they haven't seen the RF 70-200 2.8) and that the A7 III has a better shutter life than the R6 (false again, the R6 is rated 100,000 higher). Of course, those pro-Sony/anti-Canon comments got a ton of likes, and when their points were disputed, the posters vanished.
My favorite is when they get all over an M43 thread, like for a new lens or something, and shill on and on about how Micro Four Loser Thirds is dead and how much happier we'd all be if we shot (Sony) full frame instead.
I was just reading through the A7Riv manual. It says, "• If the same part of your skin touches the camera for a long period of time while using the camera, even if the camera does not feel hot to you, it may cause symptoms of a low-temperature burn such as redness or blistering. "
It also say if shooting in 30C to 40C degree weather (hot to very hot conditions), the pixel binned 4K is limited to 30 minutes and 10 minutes. That is with 24p and 60Mbps. I wonder how much shorter those times would be with 30p and the more frequently used 100Mbps?
Maybe someone can do a side by side test like we saw with the R5 and A7Siii at 4K 60p outdoors. I'd be curious to see which camera overheats faster in those conditions at 4K 30p 100Mbps.
Updates are coming for R6 too. Canon promises a series of future firmware updates for R5 and 1DXIII. And if you look at the bottom of the press release it also mentions R6 will get a firmware update including fixes just released for R5:
Handsome90/Willow, My comment was very relevant. After years of Sony cameras overheating in faster times, suddenly Sony fans are saying the Canon is crippled.
All I want is a side by side test to see of that is true.
@Noah, looking at your account opening date (March 2020) you are too young to understand the meaning of cripple hammer. Cripple hammer has nothing to do with overheating or engineering challenges.
Also why did you start posting all of a sudden in 25th of August? Is it because your other account got banned?
I've seen Sony fans use the words when discussing record times with Canon cameras. DId you see Sony released a FW update for the A7Riv? It can now record HQ4K for 0 minutes and 8K for 0 minutes. :D
I might be wrong, but my impression is that regular end-users have not yet even received the pre-ordered R6's? An online firmware update for a product that is not available yet for the masses would be a bit premature.
Copied from R subforum after someone updated to the latest firmware
“Indoors, with a 5" USB fan and some form of env temp control, then I think the recovery time has decreased a lot. For me, 2hrs down to 20 mins.“ Source https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64302539
And some still argue it wasn’t the cripple hammer at play before
In about 6 weeks the Canon trolls have completely blown past the Sony trolls they have been complaining about for years. They have become so much worse than what they had been complaining about.
OK so bottom line these are cameras for hobbyists, not serious production. Which is perfectly fine as long as one understands the operating envelope. If I were looking to buy a new Canon, as a non-pro I'd definitely be happy with the R5.
"serious production" can be done with any tool that produces adequate quality for that production while being within the budget.
There are very few options for FF 8K video, and for sure the R5 is one that can check all the ticks on a lot of serious and professional projects.
Also 8K productions happening *now* usually means either high budget (so the RED Monstro or more R5 bodies are not a problem or, as you suggested, hobbyist/enthusiast projects, where a bit of planning the recording time might not be that critical.
Also the fact that in overheats in 8K while other cameras don't have it doesn't make it "less professional". It's extremely deja-vu with the moment Sony got 4K but was overheating and canon fan-boys were saying it is a hobbyist camera compared to their professional full HD reliable cameras :))
I'm shocked that a new Canon flagship stills camera isn't an equal competitor to an Arri Alexa...Yes, I kid you. My R5 does exactly what I expected, and so far I like it a lot. I haven't even shot any video with it, because I didn't buy it to be a video camera, but I'm confident shoot some great video too. I'm also confident the market and Canon will improve the capabilities given time. There are better options if you're a video shooter, I don't really understand all the whining about this not being the greatest video camera ever. Do you usually buy all the marketing hype from ANY company? I know some will say,"They promised us X!!" I think if you go back and look at those "promises" you'll see enough wiggle room/weasel words mixed in to cover any marketing person's conscience. Welcome to the real world. Canon wants you to be happy, but they know everyone will never be happy. They just need most people happy. The video crowd is certainly effective at being noisy, I'll give you that.
What an incredibly poor argument. "It works fine for my needs so everyone else should just shut up!!! Leave Canon alone!!!!!!1!" Canon's entire marketing pitch was based on the 8K capability of this camera. All the initial teasers talked about only the 8K capability. We literally knew nothing about it until very close to the launch other than the fact that this camera shot 8K. From day 1 this camera was being hyped up as a video focused machine.
And now that the very thing they based their ENTIRE marketing campaign on has failed to live up to the hype that Canon itself created, suddenly everyone else is supposedly overreacting for trying to hold Canon accountable for what they promised and what they delivered.
If you just have to take photos, there is a litany of cameras on the market that can do that job for you. The R5 is nothing special as a photo camera. It was marketed as a special video camera and it failed to live up to that expectation. This is entirely Canon's fault.
Prasad Naik - I'm pretty sure no one will force you to buy one, right? Like I said there are many other options out there for video shooters. You don't have to accept my argument, vote with your wallet. I think the R5 is a great stills camera, I skipped the 5D Mk IV and the original R because they didn't look like worthwhile investments to me personally. The R5 met my wishes. So, I bought one. If I was primarily a video shooter, I wouldn't give it a second glance. Horses for courses. That's my view. I understand you have a different view. That's cool with me. don't buy an R5, buy something that fits your needs better. It's a big world out there, I'm sure there's something for you in it.
ignore trolls who disparage a camera simply because the camera's marketing people were inept. Judge the camera on it's features not the performance of marketing people.
No one is arguing that the R5 is not a good stills camera. The issue is with how the camera was presented to the consumers. People who bought the camera for its video functionality have every right to be pissed as that's how it was marketed to them by Canon.
If the Sony AS7 III had the same overheating issues, people would have (rightfully) tore the camera limb from limb for not meeting the brief that was set out for it. Except, the A7S III works just fine as a video camera, which is exactly what was expected from it. People still give the A7S III shit for only having a 12MP sensor, even though the camera was never marketed for still shooters.
On the other hand, we clearly have a camera failing to meet the brief that was set for it by its maker. Instead of holding Canon accountable, people are making excuses for it. And those who are trying to hold the company accountable so things like these don't happen again in the future are being labelled as trolls.
Why don't you guys show us a table summarizing all the test results, rather than a 5 minute video? For sure some contents are better presented in video, but these series of numbers are clearly not.
I know I'm in the minority here, but I remember when cameras just shot still photos. Which is what I still do all these years later.
I hope if the R5 gets a Silver for all of this overheating madness, if there could be a second rating for the camera's capabilities as simply a still camera. I think *on that basis alone* there is no better option in the marketplace today. I'd love to hear what DPR thinks.
Not sure why but this sounds to me an attempt from Canon to give us just a bit of better performances to see if we could be happy with a still crippled camera!!
That the camera would solely rely on the Temperature sensors and not in a timer, if the camera gets back to normal operation temperature I want to be able to shoot and not wait for an hour, just this!
Yes reliability, when the camera reaches a certain temperature shuts down, and when it gets colder it lets you shoot again till it’s warm again! And not when it reaches tot minutes!!!
It’s the way Sony cameras work!! And I don’t see anyone saying anything about reliability issues!!!
@Sardinian ... not sure you understand, but the limitation is based on temperature not minutes. DPR tested to see "the minutes", and if they redo the tests in different ambient temperature the results would be different. And the fact that you get less recording time depending on how much you use the camera (still, preview, etc) further before proves this.
The timer extension provided by this software update, is the result on some optimizations ... the CPU processing is optimized, so it manages to work at a lower clock and thus dissipates less heat, so you win a few minutes till the overheating is reached.
On the previous firmware the camera only used a timer to give you a heat warning, on the new firmware Canon said that it’s a combination of a timer and the temperature sensors, so a timer is still involved, and to me the gaining on recording time we got with the new FW seems too constant.
I haven’t seen anywhere Canon saying they did anything with the clock speed of the processor!
Recovery times is still too long in my opinion.
I’m sure we will see some interesting results from people doing various tests.
didn't hear about canon saying it is a timer thing, sorry.
But the important part here is that it seems you are not only right, but canon seems to be far worse than you insinuated .... holly c***p!!! Here is an article saying how you can actually reset the internal timer and apparently there is no real overheat issue (at least in normal temperature conditions): https://petapixel.com/2020/08/24/simple-hack-proves-canon-eos-r5-overheating-limit-is-artificial/
Now i am really curious for someone to try to record several times 12hours continuous recording tests to see if there is really a chance for hardware failure...
@philmar - yes, i agree with that, and would have no problem from canon telling "you have 10min" recording limit and 20min waiting time between. But the implementation of the limitation is horrible, i honestly couldn't think that someone could do it on purpose. Effectively not knowing how time you can record (use the camera a bit and get 5min instead of the 20 you were waiting for and have to wait one hour ... sorry, it is not in the "what you pay for" area at all ...
Where is your link of the Reduced clock speed of the processor??
Not mentioning that has been proved multiple times that the limits were imposed by a timer!! And that’s why people was removing the battery from the camera, to prove that the camera would keep you giving the same amount of recording time even if the camera was getting warm, that clearly demonstrated that the camera was not using any of the temperature sensor, the purpose wasn’t to have infinite 8k recording and I’m definitely not expecting it from the camera! I just want the camera to work based on temperature and not on a timer or combination of the 2! Especially for the recovery times!!
Wow from 5 minutes of recording time to 10-ish minutes. Canon has to start making space rockets and spaceships with this amazing technological/engineering mastery.
@TN Arges, your statement is true but with asterisks. Let’s not forget R5 overheats in 4K60p even in line skipping mode (it does much worse in 4K120p but it’s usage will be limited anyway) and it’s not the only camera in the world with the ability to record 4K60p.
R5 shoots 20 FPS but with several asterisks. It shoots 8K but with asterisks. So many asterisks with this camera!
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This 'Mark III' lens offers a few improvements over its predecessors to get even better image quality out of its ultra-fast design. The lens is available for Canon EOS R, Fujifilm X, Leica L, Micro Four Thirds, Nikon Z and Sony E-mount APS-C camera systems.
Chris and Jordan are out of the office this week, so we're taking a trip in the wayback machine to feature a classic episode of DPRTV: a review of the EOS R, Canon's first full-frame mirrorless camera.
Last week, we featured Markus Hofstätter's scanner rebuild, which saw him spend three months bringing back to life a massive scanner to better digitize his collection of large format photographs. This week, we're taking a look at the results, kicked off by a beautifully detailed 30cm x 40cm collodion wet plate portrait.
The lenses lack autofocus and image stabilization, but offer a fast maximum aperture in an all-metal body that provides a roughly 50mm full-frame equivalent focal length on Fujifilm and Sony APS-C cameras.
Apple has responded to an open letter published last month, wherein more than 100 individuals in the entertainment industry asked Apple to improve the development and promotion of Final Cut Pro.
Venus Optics has launched its Indiegogo campaign for its new Nanomorph lenses, revealing additional details about the world’s smallest anamorphic lenses.
Most smartphones these days offer great-looking video and make vlogging very easy, but there are always accessories that can help to make your footage, and you, look even better
The WG-80 remains largely unchanged from the WG-70, but it now has a front LED ring light that's twice as bright as its predecessor. Aside from that, the 16MP CMOS sensor and 28-140mm full-frame equivalent lens stays the same.
Astronaut Samantha Cristoforetti is aboard the International Space Station for a six-month mission. She and the other astronauts aboard the ISS witnessed the recent full lunar eclipse, and Cristoforetti captured amazing photos of the spectacular event.
Vivo has announced the global launch of its flagship X80 Pro device, which features an impressive quadruple-camera array on the rear, headlined by a main 50MP custom Samsung GNV sensor.
ON1 has announced the newest update to its ON1 Photo RAW 2022 all-in-one photo editor. Version 2022.5 integrates Resize AI into the editor, plus it includes improved noise reduction and Sky Swap AI. The update also includes new camera support.
Many cameras have a distinct sound. MIOPS partnered with German sound artist Kuntay Seferoglu to harness the diversity of camera shutter sounds and create the MIOPS Camera Symphony.
Panasonic's new 9mm F1.7 lens promises to deliver top performance in a pint-sized package. Does it raise the bar for ultra-wide angle lenses in the Micro Four Thirds system? Check out our sample gallery to find out.
Despite most units still not shipping for a few weeks, DJI has released a firmware update for its DJI Fly app that allows for activation of its new Mini 3 Pro drone, which will unlock the full feature set for the first ‘Pro’ sub-250g drone from the company.
It says Olympus on the front, but the OM System OM-1 is about the future, not the past. It may still produce 20MP files, but a quad-pixel AF Stacked CMOS sensor, 50 fps shooting with full AF and genuine, IP rated, weather sealing show OM Digital Solutions' ambition. See what we thought.
The app is developed by cinematographer and colorist Zak Ray, who's brought together over 1,000 lenses and 150 cameras into a comprehensive and interactive database app for planning out your shoots.
The leaked renderings and information suggests this new FPV drone will come in at around 500g (1.1lbs) and feature a CineWhoop-style design with protected propellers for safely flying in tight spaces.
The lens, which was previously avaialble for Sony E-mount, is fully manual, but chipped to provide support for focus confirmation and in-body image stabilization with compatible Nikon Z-mount camera systems. Cosina says the lens is set to go on sale next month, June 2022.
The total lunar eclipse will start tonight in most hemispheres and extend through midnight into early Monday morning. Here are some tips on where to view it and capture this rare event.
Is the GH6 the best hybrid camera there is? Jordan has been shooting DPReview TV with the Panasonic GH6 for months, so he has plenty of experience to back up his strong opinions.
The Sony a7 IV includes a new screen reader assistive feature that makes the camera more accessible for the many people who struggle with vision impairment and loss. It's a great first step in making photography and digital cameras more accessible.
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