Canon releases FW 1.1 for EOS R5, with bug fixes and improvements to video shooting time

The truth is Stevev4d earlier said, he "will buy the new Blackmagic URSA and film reliable and better 8K, downsampled from 12K and with 110fps"
Extra costs for media must not be an issue. And he knows downsampling from 8k to 4k or 12k to 8k will result in better video.

You're a new user, yet I feel one I've spoken to before. A 2nd anonymous profile.. how sad... 🤣🤣
I've no problem filming 12k, 8K or 6K BRAW.. it handles considerably better in my software than anything Canon gives. Lots of compression options too. The bonus of having an editing system and codec designed by the same company.
Plus I can record that RAW to SSD drives via USB, which are considerably cheaper than the media costs need to record 8K RAW on the R5. The truth is the cards needed for it just ain't that cheap. 😏😏

I just watched another YouTuber show the R5 shoots unlimited 4k HQ using over-sampled 8k with the ninja V.

It's safe to say the camera is reliable for 4K HQ and unlimited shooting.

Canon Cinema RAW light uses very little space comparatively. It is coming to the R5. Another wonderful option.

And I can already shoot 6K RAW unlimited at 50fps to either a SSD drive or internally to cfast card at a pinch. At different compression ratios too. I wouldn't use an external recorder with crappy micro HDMI. I've had one break on me before. They're too fragile for serous work.

Well at least you admit you are incompetent and can't use a cable without it breaking.

Congratulations for one of the silliest remark I've read. I said I had one break on me. It wasn't incompetence. It was poor design of the port that is insufficient for consistent professional needs. Its not designed for frequent use and this wear and tear ultimately leads to damage.
I know you don't have any professional video experience, so I'll excuse your naivety. Are you at all interested in making any video; if not, is commenting on video features you'll hardly use just something to fill a sad and lonely life. 🤣🤣🤣

Wait what? You think AP deselected Canon?
The truth is the AP went with the highest bidder. Of the 2000-3000 or so photographers the AP uses world wide the contract only affected a couple hundred. The contract would not have been worth much to Canon, but for Sony who had been shut out it was likely worth the cost.

@ Zeee - As you see in this DPR review you get 10 minutes of 4K HQ shooting after 1 hour of slow photography (2 pictures per minute). In normal temperature. Then you need to completely turn the camera off for a long time to get some recording time again. Its just not good for hybrid shooting.
You ask me what they should do? There are many ways for the engineers to avoid overheating. Design image sensors and processors that consumer less power. Eg why does the R5 use twice the power than other 40+ Mpxl cameras even when its idle? Develop SW that is efficient. Thermal design of the camera, etc. Its up to the engineers to solve. The one thing they shouldn’t do is ship unreliable equipment at pro price level.

Maybe you should take up engineering and show them how it's done. It's not a pro cinema camera and never will be. The 5D4 was $3,500 at release. So they rushed it and made some programming errors. I can provide all types of examples of products with programming, etc. Hubble Telescope is one. During the last two weeks while conspiracy theories were out of control Canon was already working on the new FW.

What's with jon/Handsome90 melting down and attacking everyone who says the R5 is great camera?

I like how you resurrected this account account of yours that was not used for 3 years to pretend to be interested in Canon, even you are the most rabid Sony fan on the planet bashing Canon and posters every chance you get.

@Noah, I made an observation. According to you that’s attacking.

You start name calling instead of arguing the premise. Previously you wrote to me “ It must stink to be you these days.” Source https://m.dpreview.com/news/5700123248/canon-releases-fw-1-1-for-eos-r5-with-bug-fixes-and-improvements-to-video-shooting-time/comments?comment=8993592166

Previously with your other account (Willow W) you wrote to a fellow poster “ Were you too stupid to realize that when you said "We are talking about shooting still sports images.””

Also with your other account you wrote to me “Why do trolls like Handsome90 have so many posts in the Canon forum is the real question.”

Handsome90 is a a resurrected account used by the biggest Sony troll to bash Canon. He hadn't used it for 3 years and it suddenly reappears posting a dozen comments and posts a day to bash the R5 because he can't post in the Canon forums with his other accounts,
Now he is lying and saying the canon users are other people too trying to deflect from his use of multiple accounts.
Handsome90, everyone knows you have no interest in the R5. But you'll continue to bash the Canon and anyone who says something positive about it.
Just come clean. You have several accounts. You didn't just reappear after 3 years and start bashing Canon. You spend your life bash any system that's not Sony with different accounts. An then when caught make up cr@p about other people being the same.

@Noah, I never had/have any other DPR account. If you believe so then please tell DPR to check my IP. I’ll cooperate with their investigation.

But others including me have noticed that Willow W and Noah have been claiming that 8K when downscale to 4K leads to an increase in 1 DR. Similarly both of the accounts have also stated that downscaling leads to 4:4:4 from 4:2:2.

For the record I have stated many times R5/6 are good overall cameras. But prepare to be fact checked when making statements like claiming it’s autofocus tracking beats 1DXiii/A9ii or R5 has no rolling shutter etc. Also all of my claims are backed up by evidence like stating the page number from the manuals or showing photos or videos documenting my assertions.

Handsome90,

Of course you will deny you use multiple accounts.

Its obvious though. You created this account and it sat dormant for 3 years. The suddenly you start using it to bash the R5, Canon, and anyone who says anything positive about the R5.
And you expect people to believe you went from never posting to bashing Canon 10 times a day, or every chance you get.

Come clean. you are are Sony troll and you are using this account to pretend you are interested in the Canon which you constantly bash it.

btw, I found 3 people who mentioned 4:4:4 to 4:2:2. I learned about it recently in the Canon forum too. I also learn GH5 users were doing it to get the best 1080p video (it was the GH5 that killed off that awful 8 bit A7Sii).

Don't get so angry knowing the R5 can create 4:4:4 4K video and the A7siii can't even shoot full resolution 4K.

@Noah, you keep repeating the same stuff as Willow. Previously I had a conversation with Willow W about about clog3 as shown here https://ibb.co/PQdZb4g

I never had this conversation with you and the Noah account wasn’t active at that time. Several days later you (Noah) claim the same thing by saying “It shows just how dishonest you can be, Just like when you said you can't use clog3.” Source https://m.dpreview.com/news/5700123248/canon-releases-fw-1-1-for-eos-r5-with-bug-fixes-and-improvements-to-video-shooting-time/comments?comment=0733618584

Both accounts repeating the same points. It’s no coincidence!

Also your other account “Willow W” was called out by a DPR staff for spreading disinformation.

@Handsome90

The fact that this phenomenon that a account that has been dormant for some months suddenly become active and starts to defend canon and attack sony suggests that it has been very probably a paid effort by 2 to 3 people.

Another thing I have noticed is that when such account become active the "other accounts" take back seat and their number of posts become a few in those threads. This drop in posts by other accounts suggest that it is by same people who hold multiple accounts.

PS: They can improve this aspect of giveaway by making uniform number of posts. But it will be extra work for them.

PS2: We have not see this phenomenon from any other brand. Not from nikon , nor from m43 etc, only canon so far.

@PAntunes, “If is inside does one thing, if it's outside does another.”

Isn’t it just physics? To be fair Sony also had the same behaviour with longer recording times in cooler environment. I remember Sony (at least in some of the cameras) the expected behaviour in different temperatures was mentioned in the manual.

Official word from Canon on expected recording times at different temperatures or how to extend them would driver consumer confidence in their cameras.

So is a car unreliable, if one person has a different experience than another? If so, then ALL cars are unreliable, because everyone has a different experience with their car compared to others who have the same car. In fact, all products are like that. There are differences in the way people use products, the environments they use those products, and even the products themselves (i.e. one or more circuits in an electronic product will be slightly different). I had a Sigma SD-14 camera, which overheated, but I read reports from other people who never had any overheating issues with their Sigma SD-14 camera. Was mine defective, or was it just because I live in Florida, where the weather is warmer?

We don't know what the ambient temperature is where these people are using their Canon cameras. It's summer time now (August 2020). We're likely to see differences between one camera and another based on ambient temperature as well as usage. Watch what happens in fall and winter.

If I was gonna buy an electric car and someone told me it sometimes could do 300km with one charge but other times could only do 30km, sometimes would charge in 30min but other times would take 8h on the same charger, I would consider that car unreliable when other cars are way more consistent.

The problem are not the changing limits, it’s the inconsistency and different times between them. You simply have no idea what to expect.

PAntunes.
That is very misleading.

The R5 can ALWAYS shoot 4K vdeo. And after the FW update significantly improved many aspects of recording video.
A better example would be buying an electric care that gets not only a boost to range, but a boost in speed with a FW update.

And everyone does know what to expect. It can always shoot stills, it can always shoot 4K video, And it can shoot 8K video unlike any other camera. And it can shoot raw video internally unlike any other camera around.

It should be fun to see how much faster the A7Siii overheats shooting 4K 60p in the sun after this FW update, We know from multiple videos by different people it overheated faster even before the R5 FW update.

Noah M With the R5 you start a project without knowing what to expect. As you said, the only reliable option is 4K non HQ. That’s what you have to be happy with to start a project. Everything else, you just don’t know if you’re gonna get and for how long.

And the non HQ 4K isn’t very good. :/

So all those blind tests where people could not see a difference with the non-HQ 4K vs other cameras' 4K were faked? lol!

And you have to pretty stupid to think anyone would start a project without understanding their camera for still or for video.
We've already seen many people test their R5 cameras to make sure it can shoot 8K video "all day" or shoot 4K HQ video for hours. We've seen professionals even before the FW shoot wedding in 4K 60p.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxBPe14Sndw

You are lying if you say that guy doesn't know what to expect after the FW update,

I see you are a HUGE Sony fan and not really interested in R5 at all. So I can understand why you are trying to spread FUD.

Noah M, what 4k tests are you talking about?

And that video you just posted is exactly what I'm talking about. The guy is constantly having to turn off the camera and letting it sit. And because he filmed a clip for 5min, he had to go to 1080.

Dan Watson did a test with the new firmware and he got to the same conclusion. It's all over the place. Now you can't even trust the timer in the new firmware. So you'd be waiting because you need to film 5min and the camera is saying 1min, but actually you could already be filming because you already have 5min back... But you can't start filming until you're sure... And then on some other tests it's exactly like the old firmware, to the second..??

Instead of having a reliable tool, you have to be constantly stressed, looking at the timer to try to manage the recording times. That's no way of working...

Is Sony’s cooling method superior when shooting in 8K?

@Gm750, How are the 61 megapixel photos coming out of R5?

Or does resolution only matter when Canon has a slight edge? Did you have the same opinion of 8K having outstanding detail when Canon didn’t have 8K cameras (like when they released R and RP).

I don"t think Sony has inherently better cooling systems in their ILC's than Canon. What they don't have is 8k or 4k downsampled from 8k so they are not dealing with the same issues (Canons standard 4k 30p has no overheating issues).
Panasonic has used a fan in their camera, Canon opted not to do that for their own design reasons. All of the people on these comments who think they can design a better system, why don't they? They could patent it and sell to the camera companies. Talk is cheap. Design is always a compromise, size, weight, cost, etc thats why we see madcap prototypes of all sorts of products (cars are a good example) that never see the light of day as production models or rare very expensive no holds barred limited editions affordable only to the 1%.

@KZ7: I agree. It's all about compromises and in the end the photographer should evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of various cameras and then choose what comes closest to his/her specific needs. Through 55 years with photography I have never owned a camera where I didn't have to find workarounds here and there.

As for "madcap prototypes", I remember a forum discussion 2 or 3 years ago where somebody had developed a gizmo for cooling Sony cameras - in his case to avoid increased noise when the sensor got hot. I and others saw that gizmo as an ergonomic nightmare and a solution looking for a problem while the inventor saw it as the 8' wonder of the world. As I predicted back then, the idea seems to have sunk without a trace. Now, the video heating problems - which may or may not be there - with the R5 (and other cameras as well?) indicate that the device might actually have been able to solve a problem (video heating) but the ergonomy of it would IMHO still be prohibitive.

It already happened. And he was not the only one. Dan even did it again with all the settings Sony users said would work better - same results. There are several videos showing the A7Siii overheating BEFORE the R5 FW update.

Of course the A7Siii can't shoot 8K so we can't compare that.
And the A7siii can't shoot full 4K (4096 pixels wide) so we can't compare that.

The A7Siii can only shoot lower resolutions.

@Willow why do you have over a hundred of comments under the A7siii and A9ii articles? We haven’t forgotten your disinformation.

Seems like you were you were very angry at that time 😅. Also it appears you don’t like getting fact-checked.

FYI In television and consumer media, 3840 × 2160 (4K UHD) is the dominant 4K standard, whereas the movie projection industry uses 4096 × 2160 (DCI 4K). Making Hollywood movies are not the intended target of A7siii users but it would have been nice to have.

Handsome you are so angry you are replying to the wrong person in the wrong comments section, lol!! This is the R5 FW comments section not a Sony comments section.

btw, the S1H RAW video is considered 5.9K because it is 5888 pixels wide. The Canon 8K RAW video is 8192 pixels wide.
Both the Canon and Panasonic shoot Full 4K video at 4096 pixels wide. This is the standard the film industry uses, It is also called Cinema 4K and DCI 4K.
Also while 1920 pixel wide video was called HD, 2048 pixel wide video was also the standard for 2K.
The truth is Sony video is 3.8K by many standards and it is not very useful when shooting in wider aspect ratios.
Apple TV+ has a standard of at least 17:9 for their videos, and almost all of their shows are shot in at least 2:1. Even comedies like "Ted Lasso" are 2:1.

"Handsome you are so angry"

Yes according to you anyone who has different opinion is angry. We got it. Anything else??

Any comments about the people complaining about sony cameras overheating for 4 years??

Not sure why you're cheering on one camera to do worse than the other. Dan's A7SIII is most likely faulty and Sony is sending him a new one. His finding is clearly outlier since there are many videos showing the A7SIII shooting 4K60 for more than 2hrs in hot sun.

So Noah you are hell bent on using the cinema industry standards for 4K but won’t the cinema industry standard for dynamic range score? Got it! I wonder why!

Also for people who don’t want to use an external audio recorder you can’t add 4 XLR mics to your camera like you can do to Sony with the digital hot shoe adapter.

IBIS wise a walking test showed A7SIII (with digital stabilisation turned off) is better than R5. But didn’t you say A7siii has the worst IBIS? But for a steady shot R5 was better. https://youtu.be/5OwwqjOEkps

@Noah, you just got caught spreading disinformation here https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64313340
and https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64313351

//Handsome90, numerous people including GU had shown the the R5 has at least 12 stops of DR using the industry standard for measuring it//

You do know the difference between usable dynamic range and dynamic range with the noisy floor?

Selective hearing and watching I see. Gerald Undone also mentioned A7siii has more dynamic range at ISO 102400 (if I remember correctly) than R5 has in its base ISO. Source here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG79FkN7EPk&t=1026s

I mention a video about 6 flaws of the A7Siii (where he shows how bad the A7Siii active IBIS is, that is somehow misinformation?)
Funny thing because you said that guy didn't even have an A7siii, lol!!!!!
btw, "active" IBIS crops the video which is bad because the A7Siii barely has 4K pixels to start.

It must stink to be you these days. The Canon has the best AF, it has the most DR for stills, it will have the most DR for video, may found it now can shoot 8K "all day", and reviews say it is the best mirrorless camera "on the planet". Ron from whistling wings photography, one of the most respected bird photographers in the US (who switched from the A9ii to the R5) says the R5 is by far the best camera he's ever used and the electronic shutter works superbly for shooting BIF. Your job gets more futile every day. :D

//Funny thing because you said that guy didn't even have an A7siii, lol!!!!!//

Funny you never share link to sources because you would be caught spreading disinformation. I wrote “ Yes now. Not at the time that video was made”. We were referring to the video titled “2 Reasons To Buy Canon R5 Instead of Sony A7S III” https://youtu.be/hdN7O7sHT60. Source https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64313351

Anyways that thread is messed up now as a few posts got deleted.

handsome, it is pretty obvious that you are nothing but a troll. kind of sad...

@mammagamma, I am not the one who said that the overall performance of A7siii is mediocre.

I give credit to Canon when credit is due. My posts are backed up by evidence. Is yours?

Ah the name calling starts when you can’t substantiate your arguments with evidence.

"handsome, which post are you talking about?"

"handsome, it is pretty obvious that you are nothing but a troll. kind of sad..."

Can you read the word troll that you used, that is definition of name calling.

@mammagamma dude just scroll below. Hint it has over 20 replies

Handsome90 is well known now as being one of the worst Sony trolls. He love to post information he knows that wrong.

We've seen several tests where the R5 already has 12-13 stop of DR and with Cinema RAW Light that may increase a little more.
(remember when he kept lying and saying you could not use clog3 with the R5?)
And he keeps forgetting to mention that after normalizing 8K to 4K you gain over 1 stop in DR (just like you do when normalizing a 36MP image to 8MP).

I can see why he is on his campaign though, The A7Siii can't even shoot oversampled 4K, and when its best IS is enabled it losses even more resolution. That's bad because the A7Siii doesn't even shoot full 4K (4096 pixels wide). At its best it falls a few hundred pixels short.

There is a good video on the 6 deadly flaws of the A7siii on YouTube.
The best thing the A7Siii does according to most is shoot 2:1 over sampled 1080p video. Which is funny because the R5 shoots 2:1 over sampled 4K video that blows it away.

@Noah, I use the industry standard definition of DR and there I used IMATEST DR. It’s a way to standardise measurements. Those score that you have touted aren’t the equivalent IMATEST scores (calculates the signal to noise (SNR) threshold of 2). Do you want to use Xyla equivalent?

For those who don’t know about IMATEST here are some information
“ Imatest has been adopted by a wide range of industries that employ embedded digital imaging systems, including mobile imaging (camera phones), medical imaging, aerospace and machine vision, as well as publications/reviews, and academic, cultural, and research institutions.”

It has been already showed to you by jonpais that 13 or 14 stops of DR footage won’t be acceptable to a lot of people. It can be acceptable to you but not everyone. You seem to care a lot about image quality with your parroting of resolution advantages but fail to accept that those video with such heavy recovery fall apart.

Yeah, except everyone who shot RAW and edited the video for best DR got 2 stops more with that test.
It shows just how dishonest you can be,
Just like when you said you can't use clog3.

And now the R5 will have Cinema RAW light for more DR and clog3 internal.

I can see why you are being dishonest.
The A7siii can't even shoot oversampled 4K, let alone 6K or 8K.

Several test showed that if you use "active" IBIS on the A7Siii and reframe or crop just a little, you end up with less than 3K video. Its pretty bad.
The camera can't even shoot full 4K (4096) pixels wide video internally under any conditions.

The A7siii would have been good 2 years ago. But 2 years from now it will be a antiquated joke.

"zxaar, you didnt understand what we talk about and no one talked to you. i‘m sure handsome is big enough to talk for himself. (honestly i‘m not sure but nevermind)."

Talk in personal messages then if you do not want people to comment on what you write here.

No one is interested in you. I comment on what i read.

@Noah, From Cine5d “ Because 8K RAW is so noisy, IMATEST (figure 4) calculates the signal to noise (SNR) threshold of 2 already at 10.3 stops.” Standardisation enables comparisons and that’s why in the industry they use IMATEST. Otherwise someone will be quoting usable dynamic range and others the dynamic range with the noisy floor. Remember Canon used CIPA for their IBIS and battery life. It enables apples to apples comparison

FYI I said R5 doesn’t have clog3. It’s literally in the manual on page 331. It says “Canon log 2 and Canon log 3 are not supported.” You can twist it and use words such as “apply” or whatever. Also you made exactly the same comment from your Willow account about me

@mammagamma, my point one the person who called a7siii as overall mediocre was flame baiting. It was not you but Willow/Noah.

Handsome90 keeps getting caught lying, He thought he was in the Sony comments section and he thinks he is responding to someone who I don't see any posts from.

Handsome90 knows the R5 is capable of over 12 stops of DR. Even Gerald Undone admitted this. And that was before Cinema RAW Light.

He also knows the A7Siii cannot shoot RAW internally. It can't shoot 8K. It can't shoot 5.9K. It can't shoot 4.5K, nor can it shoot full 4K (or DCI 4K/Cinema 4K). And if you use active IBIS its resolution gets even worse,

"zxaar, „no one is interested in you“. well, you obviously are interested."

I am interested in comments posted here. Yours is nothing special. As i said i reply to what i read here.

I will skip what Gerald Undone said, Tony & Chelsea, Jared Polin, Potato Jet, heck, I will even skip what this site that many fanboys lurk all day trolling here and there.

https://youtu.be/_WBLMr6GqJg

Here is a video done by Parker Walbeck, who is a loyal creative Canon user comparing the R5, 1DXIII and A7sIII.

Key points,
- In a blind test for video quality, two thirds of people who voted gussed wrong as there is no difference between all three cameras (R5 is downsampled from 8K and 1DXIII downsampled from 5K)

- Sony's dynamic range is waaaaay better than both Canons (even at ISO 100k+ the A7sIII have more DR than the R5 have in the base ISO.

- Low light performance is far ahead with Sony.

-The codecs and footage from Sony is easier to edit.

But let me mention that you should focus on how many times they mentioned R5 and overheating. Even, Parker Walbeck said that he is not considering the R5 as an OPTION for his work for clients because it is UNRELIABLE.

@mammagamma
"lol, name calling now? that‘s it? do you own an R5?"

Can you provide a link where I said that you can't name call (at least when replying to me).

As far as I am concerned feel free to use whatever word you wish. Never cared about it.

Ohh you were demanding apologies if someone could not provide the link so I guess you won't be hypocrite and apologize too.

Ps: as far as r5 goes, I don't buy unreliable garbage.

Zxaar, i think you are my troll champion by far. I see you in every Canon news here, and your opinions are so pointless. Ho my...
some Sony users can have interesting points about other products. But fanboys like you. And it seems you are never tired. But believe me, you tire readers.

But MikeRan we aren’t allowed to mention those cameras!

“A few years ago, everyone complained that Canon did not support 4K in many of their bodies and Canon replied that there were heat concerns that caused them to exclude 4K.”

Check out the features unlocked by Magic Lantern in the 5D series of cameras. https://youtu.be/xOiRKCi60TM
Also see after all the bad buzz Canon “unlocked” the recovery times. Some are saying it has been shortened from 2 hrs to 20 mins. Also they are bringing C-Log 3 (which is not a new feature) to R5. I wonder why! Nothing to do with the one of the worst PR disasters for a camera company.

@MikeRan... When you say "others solved the heat problem" it's not strictly true. I am not saying that you're deliberately misleading, not at all. Others chose to put a fan or used low mp sensors. First compromises the dust and moisture resistance, second naturally generates lower heat due to lower mp count but compromises on the photographic resolution. It's a question of which compromise one chooses to live with. Very high resolution video generates heat period. In R5 and R6 cases it's a marketing/communication strategy fail on Canon's part. But to announce these cameras useless or fail is simply misleading to say the least. Despite the limitations R5 and R6 generates gorgeous 4K video files and with the current FW update they are much closer to being hybrid shooters. But a perfect camera for everyone doesn't exist.

some people feel better when they beliebe what they like even when various tests proove otherwise. physics are the same for all. there is no other camera out there that even is able to record the same video quality, left alone without overheating.

@seloo,

//Others chose to put a fan or used low mp sensors.//

A9/ii has neither and has similar megapixels as R6.

//First compromises the dust and moisture resistance//

That's your opinion and not based on facts. Here is a quote from the director of photography at AP "We tested cameras from several manufacturers in really harsh zones from the Arctic to the rainforest, to hostile environments, to hurricanes. The overwhelming response from the photographers was that they really liked the Sony equipment"

//Very high resolution video generates heat period//

Yes but it doesn't explain why R5 overheats in line skipping 4K60p (line skipping is the worst of the bunch). A7siii doesn't overheat badly in 4K60p. A9ii also offers oversampled 4K.

@mammagamma,
//there is no other camera out there that even is able to record the same video quality, left alone without overheating//

Keep drinking the Canon kool-aid. R5/6 isn't the only camera in the world that can record oversampled 4K or 4K60p

@handsome90 did you read the full spec sheet or did your selective perception not allow for that? why does your argument have to include things like "keep drinking"? because ist is factually weak? probably.
also, if you claim adding holes and fans to a body does not compromise the dust and moisture resistance we can stop the discussion here because YOU are far away from any fact base.

@Mammagamma

Could you explain the overheating is line skipping mode instead of ignoring that fact?

How many Panasonics with fans did you see failing due to dust, moisture or any related issue with weather sealing? Could you please bring a reference to each case and fge percentage of overall cameras used? Or even cases where they are affected by anything?

Ghuraify, are you debating whether adding vent holes and a fan compromise sealing? just asking...

@Mamma

I am debating if you have an actual cases that support your claim. So could you answer my questions?

Imagine if Canon puts fan in next camera. These same people will be hailing it as best invention after sliced bread.

@Mammagamma, You are stuck with the 8K resolution. You are failing to appreciate that other cameras have comparable 4K modes without overheating problems as widespread as R5/6. There were a few examples in my post. It has been explained to you that A7siii offers better 4K60p and 4K120p (no line skipping in both) and still doesn’t overheat as badly as R5/6. According to Sony it’s weather sealing is comparable to A7RIV. No fan involved and weather sealing isn’t compromised because of beefed up cooling. See the slides of Sony if you are interested in their engineering solution.

About vents and fans there are engineering workarounds. I am not an engineer so I can’t explain those to you. Apple watches have speaker holes (vents) and is literally used underwater without compromising sealing.

Like I said Canon isn’t the only camera manufacturer in the world making weather sealed cameras with 4K.

You guys are right in that Physics is physics. But the difference is the Canons are burning much more power and are simply generating more heat doing the same things compared to their competition. I posted somewhere a detailed analysis of the battery consumption and calculated power dissipation figures based on available info somewhere. I forget the exact numbers but the cannon’s simply are less efficient doing the same work

It’s like comparing an LED light bulb to an incandescent bulb. They both output 800 lumens, but one requires 100W to do it and the other requires 12W. Of course it’s not that bad, but if I remember correctly I figured the canon was burning 50% more power doing the same job. And this was a comparison vs a 24MP camera Doing a full readout 6k downsampled to 4K.

Anyway. As I said. Some have figured it out. And they have done so NOT only by figuring out how to get the heat out. But by creating less of it. And that’s the key.

@Zxxar

Exactly, just like IBIS, competition had it for 14+ years before Canon. Then Canon came with an excellent IBIS and oh boy, fanboys are coming from every corner as if they invented a rocket.

@Mamma
No I can't decide now, I need a valid proove that vents and fans are a negative feature that will damage the camera or the sensor. So could you provide me how many cases are there with this particular issue? We are talking about cameras here, not bottles.

So kindly again, could you give evidence? If you don't you can just admit it instead of trying to avoid answering.

Of so, your point is not valid as cameras are not affected negatively by vents and fans. In which case will show your lack of knowledge

Seloo Ahh he’s the infamous pit the cameras in the hot sun until they are too hot to touch from the sunlight. And then turn them on and see how long they last. See when you bring up these terrible examples of tests, and you totally ignore the commentary of the video then you lose all credibility.

There are multiple valid explanations here why the Sony shuts down quicker than the canon. And they all point to a poor thermal design on the Canon.

Please try again.

i am certainly not failing to appreciate that my R5 so far did eveything i wanted it to do and it did it better than I expected when i purchased it. If you guys are happy with your whatsoeverbrand camera then i'm happy for you. I am perfectly happy with my R5. what i hear from you is dissonance-reducing behaviour from sony shooters. not sure why you need that though, your stuff in not that bad.

@seloo

Here are just 3 videos proving that the R5 is unreliable and overheats faster than A7sIII. Two of which are from Canon users. Enjoy

https://youtu.be/oKEFwCqWHxo

https://youtu.be/qDXPiu3wpBs

https://youtu.be/_WBLMr6GqJg

You can check DPR review on the camera also if want to make an unbiased argument.

Thanks

@Mamma

I am glad that you are happy with the R5, it is indeed a very very excellent photo camera. The only concern is at the video side as it has a lot of drawbacks for a lot of people.

Just to let you know, even tho I own a Sony, I am still using 5DIII, Nikon D850 and XT-3. They are not mine, but I am using them more often as I need otger cameras than what I own for certain situations.

I don't have a problem with any brand. I have a problem with trolls only.

However, you didn't answer me regarding fans.

"Here is a real world test regarding the "others solved the overheating issues"

I wonder where is Dan. Surely now he must have gotten replacement from sony no? Is he able to overheat the A7s3 too? I am not sure why there is now silence on overheating front for sony. No new person also coming out and overheating it.

Ghuraify, let me help you get out of the corner you are stuck in. It is self-evident that a whole in whatsoever reduces its sealing against water or dust - yet probably also against heat. accepting that does not let you loose your face. what you are trying to debate is the practical relevance of this and/or what mitigating solutions there are and what the best real-world solution is.
in my mind this again depends on the primary use of the device. i'm primarily a stills shooter, and as such i am absolutely delighted with my R5 and i prefer the sealed body. if someone is primarily a video shooter then a fan might be the better solution overall. if someone is a serious video shooter, the C-series cameras are certainly the better choice.

@seloo, sure A7siii overheating is more widespread than R5. Which camera does reach the overheating temperature by just leaving it on for a significant time period? Never heard of any other camera do that before!

Philip Bloom, Gordon, Jordan, Manny Ortiz, Matti Haapoja, Benn TK, Gerald Undone, Tony Northrup, Jared Polin, Potato Jet and Peter Lindgren didn’t have any overheating issues or not as significant as R5. Kai overheated it in 2 hrs and 18 mins I think. Philip Bloom (who is no fool) conducted several overheating test for A7siii and made it only overheat at 40 C https://youtu.be/W6G7Lk3tr0Y
Another reviewer were stress testing it and managed to overheat it sunny weather outside (31 C) in 57 mins (settings: 4K100p XAVS-HS). Link here https://youtu.be/RnqmIAI8oOA
One person continuously recorded over 24 hrs and no heat

In contrast for R5 it takes 15 mins to reach the overheating temperature for 4K120p. All the review channels that I saw showed Canon overheated even in mild temp.

@Mammagamma, even an amateur like me without an engineering background can design something to cool an object inside the box from outside without compromising sealing. Connect a radiator or thermal pad to your object, and drill a hole for the heat pipe and put it through the hole. Connect the heat pipe to the radiator. Seal the box and the drilled hole. Use an external fan to cool the outside end of the heat-pipe. By thermal conduction the external end of the heat-pipe will cool the object inside th sealed box.

It doesn't take the wildest of imagination to think of ways to cool something from outside without compromising sealing. Are you done now?

@Mamma

I am not the one who is in the corner. You still didn't give any evidence of your claim!

So after me asking for it 4 times without you giving an evidence, should we consider that a cooling fan is not affecting the camera in a negative way? As there are no weather seal issues.

@Mamma

My phone have both a headphone jack and a charging port. Both are "holes" in a phone that you can use under water, weather sealed (dust and water). So your point ia not valid.

You still didn't give any evidence. If you are debating, then you need evidence to support your claims (in which case you didn't provide any). Instead, you started to avoid giving any validation for your claims.

Its not a shame not to know everything, the shame when we don't admit it.

I will still ask you to provide the evidence I asked for for the sake of debate and the benefit of others.

Canon fans are quoting him like gospel but aren’t subscribing to no life. Interesting.

But weren’t Canon fans saying they don’t care about video and wants it removed. There was even a poll! One guy even wrote “ Movie mode is there if I ever need it, but I have little to zero interest in it.” https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4508307

But after Canon fixed overheating all they are talking about is the gorgeous video.

So much flipping with Canon fans

every argument here including a reference to either sona or canon fans is obviously not fact oriented and purely polemic. not sure how they help...

@handsome
You can pull random quotes from any poster to make a point about anything, nothing clever about that. I doubt that many posters on these forums would be immune from having made contradictory posts or simply changing their minds at some point.
Besides you can still profess not to need or want high end video features and also be happy that improvements have been made to them, the two things are not incompatible.

@TRU

Did you ignore what I wrote?

It is a good improvement. So why did you write all this story? Feeling insecure? Did I mention any motorsports or anything?

Still, DPR reviewed it at it is clearly not a good hybrid camera as you can't switch between photos and videos without having serious limitations.

Overall, I hope it gets better by time, it is indeed a very good camera.

Ghuraify - you comment was clearly sarcastic snark. Man up and own your comment instead of weakly and disingenuously pretending you were trying to be positive.

@user

Sorry if my sarcasm hurt your feelings. Is there anything wrong with being sarcastic and at the same time wishing my fellow creative hybrid shooters an improvement for the camera they want? Or wishing it to be more reliable for them to share their creative content?

G- if you intend to be taken seriously, you should speak seriously.

@Mike

Unfortunately when you talk seriously they ignore facts you listed. Its like once you try to have a civilized conversation with some, they just act like they did not see.

TRU as a big example, he keeps bragging about someone wrote in a certain forum that he used the camera for whatever reason and find it without issues (without prove).

However, when you bring a lot of people and reviewers stating that the camera is unreliable, he just ignore and can't habdle that fact.

A Canon user (Parker Walbeck) said that the R5 is not even an option for him as he can't trust the camera for reliability, and thia is coming from a Canon user.

Jordan, Gerald and many others stated the same issues. He can't handle the truth and will say that someone in x forums said tge opposite.

How can you be serious with those trolls?

I understand the heat warning part, it's the recovery time and recording limitations after the recovery time is very fishy. I am sure there will be more info available very soon. Their recovery time and the time available after recovery is extremely different from every other manufactures.

Not anymore. They are now being less conservative.

I think a responsible company like Canon would start out more conservative, want to err on the side of caution, and then gradually ease up as they feel comfortable doing so.

I don't think this is some grand conspiracy to sell more Cinema cameras, because as Roger Cicala pointed out, the price points and markets for those cameras are so different.

Why didn't they get it right the first time? We can only speculate, but these are complex instruments and even a company with Canon's resources needs to ship and prioritize. Keep in mind too that much of this execution over the last 6 months has been done in the time of COVID, which may have introduced inefficiencies into their work flow.

Obviously it would have been better to have gotten it more right when shipping, but at least we know they are working on it, have already improved it and will continue to do so. They've already announced another update in the pipeline.

TRU we didn’t forget how you talked about Sony doing the same thing in an effort to call into question the whole reliability of the camera. Do you remember making those comments?

Do you believe those comments apply here as well?

Asking for a friend.

@TRU, you wrote “ Keep in mind too that much of this execution over the last 6 months has been done in the time of COVID, which may have introduced inefficiencies into their work flow.”

Well Canon didn’t have to unveil the camera now if it wasn’t ready. They could have waited a few more months. Their rush to meet the deadline lead to a huge PR disaster. Sometimes slow and steady wins the race.

Btw Canon fans I keep hearing C-Log 3 will have more DR than 8K RAW. What’s up with that!

“We didn’t forget”

That confirms what I’ve read about the Sony posters here.

@Jon, you wrote “We didn’t forget”

Correct, when it comes to the hypocrisy of Canon fans.

Jon Jon that’s ok. We don’t expect you to remember since you’ve only been here for 2 weeks. But yes, we are intelligent people and we have good memories.

Handsome90 said above, "C-Log 3 will have more DR than 8K RAW. What’s up with that!"
You need to apply a profile to the RAW data.

Think of importing a RAW file into Photoshop. It applies a profile and then you edit it from there. If you don't lift shadows, adjust contrast and such, the resulting image or jpeg will show less DR.
Probably what you mean is clog3 will will have more DR than RAW with another profile and no further editing.

Noah perhaps you replied to the wrong thread?

Noah, i prefer Pana S1 fix 15min... it's predictable and easy to plan.
Canon has released a product which has some features with unpredictable usage time... makes job planning hard.

Some users are able to recover to full record times in as little as 10-15 minutes now too. So you can shoot for 30-40 minutes, take a 10-15 minute break and record another 30 minutes. Rinse, repeat.

There are some other cameras on the market today that can't do that, but you don't hear a peep about them.

refreshing to read from someone actually owning and using the camera... tx!

@Kevin
I really like the first photo on your car racing portfolio. Striking.
Have you had the chance to try the R5 in similar conditions?
How are you finding the autofocus on the R5 for car racing? Any issues with the fps dropping as the battery level goes down as has been mentioned by some posters?
Its good to get feedback from someone using the camera in real world scenarios.

@KZ7 thank you! I'll see if I can help you with some information.

I'm currently covering a race all weekend with the camera. I haven't felt the need to use my 1DXII at all - this camera will certainly replace it for me. The autofocus has been exceptional at tracking vehicles and I'm having trouble with the amount of "keepers" now...especially at 20fps in E-shutter - it's NUTTY! Tracking has seldom missed and I'm only tossing photos from my own error which is all I could ever ask for. I haven't gotten the batteries down TOO low in the grip. The ones in the grip haven't been charged since my last shoot and I got them down to about 53-57% toward the end of the day. I don't know if it was a placebo or not, but I did feel like it was slowing down a little at that point and changed batteries out. Starting today off with 100% and will let you know. I didn't notice any change in E-shutter. Which has proven to be 100% usable for what I'm doing this weekend - not for all applications.

Thanks for the info.
Enjoy your weekend.

@Noah, you wrote “ Those 30 second clips were 4K 120p. They cannot be played at 120p though and so each 30 second clip is really 2 minutes. That's over 3 hours of video.”

❓❓❓

"That's over 3 hours of video." - lol

That 'Noah M' boy needs help. :)

96 clips. 30 seconds each. = 48 minutes.
But 4K 120p clips on the R5 can only be played at 1/4th speed, so over 180 minutes total. Or over 3 hours total.
You guy's ain't too smart. :D

@Noah, Of course we don’t understand Einstein level mathematics that you just showed there. Neuton will be proud of you bro!

You wrote “ But 4K 120p clips on the R5 can only be played at 1/4th speed”

Interesting. Why is that?

4K

Because most of the commenters are Sony fans only pretending to be interested in the camera. A lot of them try saying they had pre-orders for the R5, but if you go into their post history, every Sony-related comment is pro-Sony, every Canon-related comment is negative, and their equipment list is full of Sony gear. So they were going to pick up the R5 and then buy a bunch of RF glass when they already are well stocked with the latest Sony gear and happy with it based on all their comments? Yeah right. Although I'm sure there are some frustrated Canon shooters, most of the noise is faux outrage from Sony fans who have no interest in switching to Canon. They should just stick to shooting 8K on their Sonys and maybe they'd be a happier bunch. Oh wait, they can't.

I suspect there are a few paid trolls as well....good work if you can get it.

I cancelled my R5 order.

I have no complaints at all with my R5. Canon keeps adding new features and improving existing ones with revised firmware releases. How can this be a bad thing?

It can be a bad thing if you are a SONY fan-boy. But it is a good thing for the SONY paid trolls that come here to cry - keeps'em employed.

It is so mediocre that it is the number 1 selling camera in Japan, even outselling much cheaper cameras.

I forgot that in the Canon World every innovation(5 years apart) is a little miracle. Sorry to hurt your world, but there are cameras out there which shoot 4k 60p without artificial limitations and overheating after PHOTO!!! use. A7SIII and every other caamera out there makes circles around the R5 for video, because the R5 user sits there and waits for the ARTIFICIAL TIMER to stop. The camera does not overheat, but someone at Canon decided to cripple it hard. This person should be fired immediately. For photo use it is amazing camera, but sadly too late. Many more cheaper 42+ options out there. Love R6 though- great features for reasonable price.

@Philmar, you wrote, “ it is a good thing for the SONY paid trolls that come here to cry“

What’s with Canon fans and conspiracy theories?

alekt449, something seems to bug you, i wonder what it is...

Do you trust companies that cripple their products in a way that isn't obvious?

Reminds me of elementary school when arguments about Ford and Chevrolet would sometimes escalate into blows. Clearly no one in elementary school has any experience but can only repeat what was heard from others in reference to cars and driving. But this would still monopolize the focus of the day instead of the more important things...like who won the marble match.

Oh man... I’m old enough to remember playing marbles in the school yard! Maybe one of the last generations in my part of the world to have that be a broad shared experience.

The people who engage in favour of one brand, or against it because they are aligned with another brand, are being blind to a pretty common part of human psychology. Either you fell into something (your mum buying you a Nintendo for example) or you for one reason or another had to (or felt you had to) make a choice, and in either instances made a camera brand (Or car brand, or console, etc) part of your internal tribal identity.

It’s a pretty ridiculous phenomenon, especially when played out in the comments section of an article on a camera website by grown adults.

Oops, gave away my age there.
For me, reading the comments here is like watching the Animaniacs..completely mindless but entertaining nevertheless.

There are a lot of male photographers who are tech heads and as with cars and other preserves of nerdy men they become overly invested in certain brands which they feel a need to defend aggressively. Sad really.

It's both. Physics says there is a hardware limit (a point at which key components simply become too hot, or stay hot for too long) to function safely / reliably. But rather than rely solely on internal temperature measurements to establish this limit, Canon has written firmware to restrict operation based on shooting time. This is smart, since temperature sensors (like any hardware component) can fail. It's also responsible: Uncontrolled overheating could potentially be very dangerous - especially a device designed to be used right in front of your eye which contains a Li-Ion battery.

The new update is essentially a firmware tweak to make these programmed limits 'softer' and potentially also take ambient temperature into account, which may speed up recovery time.

But why are the limits defeated when recording to an external recorder? Don't the same issues still exist?

wcan, someone described it this was a while back.

Think of a bucket with a small hole in the bottom and several sources of water pouring into it. The CPU, the memory cards, even maybe the external conditions are generating heat, or in the example pouring water into the bucket.
From the work Horshack and others have done it appears the card port is generating a lot of the heat. Removing the cards and recording externally slows the filling of the bucket enough that it is a long time before it overflows.
Another example is they found by swapping out "cold" cards also increases record times. So the card port might be adding a good portion of water to the bucket.

The goal is to get close to adding only enough heat (or water) to the camera (or bucket) that it can cool (drain water) at a similar rate and greatly extend record times.
Finding a way to cool the camera during recording would be like adding another hole.

So now the logic in the Canon FW says something like:

- I will start a timer and not pay a whole lot of attn. to the actual temperature sensor (in the camera) if it says camera is not overheating, just in case the camera temp. sensor is malfunctioning.

- If there is a card in the camera, i will assume it is overheating because these cards tend to overheat (based on the state of the art card technology in 2020) and shut down the camera after a fixed period of operation.

This would imply Canon would have to issue new firmware as cards became more efficient and generated less heat with use. In fact the firmware would have to have a database of all cards that exist over time and adjust the timer to match the card in use.

Wouldn't it make more sense to have several redundant temperature sensors and not use a timer just in case the one temp. sensor malfunctioned?

Okay, so there are three temperature sensors in the camera. So why doesn't the firmware just use the sensors? What are the odds of three sensors failing? I don't get the logic of using a timer and ignoring the actual temperature sensors. Can someone explain?

Barney,
From an asset protection I agree, Canon may have done the right thing. I know these things because I work with tech involving critical asset protection used in hazardous process. But, if you over protect the asset to a point where it can’t produce products due to increase nuisance shutdowns, it’ll would be deemed unreliable and stakeholders won’t invest on tech like this.
Canon probably didn’t balance the reliability vs availability scale weigh er. I think we’re giving too much credit for Canon’s engineering capability. rather than building an inherently reliable product, it looks like they are relying on active safety measures to manage it's reliability.

I should add (since my post above is now being taken out of context and used to attack my integrity on certain other forums) that what I described above is (safe to assume) standard on cameras of this type. I.e., keeping internal temperatures within safe limits via a combination of sensors and algorithms.

What Canon seems to have got wrong is that their firmware was too conservative when enforcing shutdown / cooldown limits. The new firmware improves matters somewhat, and evidence from Gordon at CameraLabs and others suggests that the cooldown is being better managed, too (effectively allowing active cooling to have an impact).

What you said makes sense and is likely correct.

I think Roger Cicala explained this well too. Its better to error on the safe side and limit video and upset a few people, than to release a $3800 camera that damages itself and gets sent in for repairs.

And if you look at those criticizing the camera the most (and probably those attacking you), they would never buy this brand of camera under any conditions.

Noah M, shooting 8k reliably without having a real overheating warning? You can be in the middle of a shoot and brick the camera completely. That's not reliable.

PAntunes.

Sound like you are more familiar with Sony. When a Sony overheated in the past it would brick. No photos, no video, no anything. I hope they fixed this, but it was with a good number of cameras.

With the Canon the worst case is you can shoot stills and 4K non-HQ video. So saying it is bricked is incorrect. Maybe with Sony it is still true.

Noah M, if you try to work around canon's overheating, the worst thing that can happen is not just shooting stills and 4k non HQ. It's frying the camera... No stills, no 4k, no 1080, no power. Overheating warnings aren't put in place to limit the camera (unless you're canon). They're there to protect the hardware.

PAntunes.

That depends, The internal temp is listed in the EXIF data. AS long as its in a reasonable range there should be no issue. There is some good discussion already about this. If the camera stops at 45C you should be OK.

And with the R5 you can always shoot stills and non-HQ video according to Canon.

But if you're bypassing the overheating warnings, how will you know the camera is too hot?

The time limit is software based and not temperature related. Many have shown that even without increasing the exif temperature, the limit is still there. So that won’t give you any extra time.

We've seen 69 minutes of 8K RAW video recording by cooling the camera first and exchanging the cards and no battery removal.
It is not 100% a time limit. Maybe there is a limit for a continuous video, but before the FW and before any battery trick, they were able to get over 60 minutes by stopping for a few seconds and swapping cards.
And you can always shoot 4K and stills according to Canon with no overheating or shutdowns.

Btw, Jordan Drake said of his R5 after cooling it first, "It just recorded 45 minutes of 8K without an overheat warning."
No warning at all!

And you call that viable options for a professional shoot?

" I imagine very soon there will be some very viable options for professionals who want to shoot 8K reliably."

Yes we are getting closer, and I think soon there will be.

Jordan was able to shoot 45 minutes of 8K without a warning. not there yet, but we are getting closer.

You forgot the "in the fridge" part...

People complaining that the Sony's weren't reliable because they overheated. I've never seen anyone trying to put a Sony in the fridge to prove it doesn't overheat....

"Jordan Drake said of his R5 after cooling it first, "
Go ahead and split hairs. :D

No, he didn't cool it first. He's testing filming in the fridge...

"Update: 40 minutes of 8K recorded in the fridge with the new 1.1 firmware. Battery is about to die."

Canon marketed this heavily for video which is the issue. Canon literally lead their product launch with a Youtuber(Peter McKinnon). https://youtu.be/0TdAeXzHiAs?t=135

@Richmondthefish - "the only viable way to use this as a video camera is you need two bodies at least"

that's certainly better, but $8k for two unreliable bodies is not a bargain, when you can get one camera that doesn't melt down for less money.

this video proves once again that the r5 does get hot when shooting stills, to the point where it significantly cuts down video recording time... it's a hybrid photo/video camera that isn't suitable for hybrid use.

I just said Barney addressed this in case you hadn’t ready his comment... no need to get all defensive.

Trolls do not drive revenue. They tarnish the reputation of our brand. The idea that we gain anything from imbecilic comments / forum posts is a fiction. I wish we did.

Barney Britton:
"Trolls do not drive revenue. They tarnish the reputation of our brand. The idea that we gain anything from imbecilic comments / forum posts is a fiction. I wish we did."
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Barney,

If it is so then why do you hesitate to implement a relatively simple option for a user to hide the posts of another user in the discussion?

It would be an extremely useful option for many of us...

Regards,

Tibor

I'm glad that you recognize that trolls harm the site and damage your brand! The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem, after all! I look forward to seeing what you do about it. You are going to do something about it, right? Because your articles are excellent but your comment section is a sewer.

And yet Jordan knew it would make sense to test for shooting time improvements before the release notes were published. So why take shots at Canon for being secretive? That bit at the end just seemed gratuitous.

You’re criticizing Jordan for not mentioning something that Canon didn’t tell him?

This is not the case with all cameras, and certainly not to the same extent as it is with the R5 and R6. They are particularly bad about overheating, to a point where it makes it hard to actually use their standout video features in any significant way. There are other cameras on the market with comparable features (although 8k is of course unique in this market segment for now) which are not nearly so limited by heat issues.

The FW does a lot more than add 5 extra minutes. But I get that "5 minutes more" is the insecure Sony fan talking point.

We are not insecure. By the way, welcome to DPR.

A Sony fan who tried to tell the world the FW only adds 5 extra minutes says he is not insecure. By the way, Welcome to Canon. You'll be a lot happier,

Yup, DPR is overrun with Sony fans (you can tell by how many people "Like" inaccurate and false anti-Sony-competitor comments). In the R6 article discussion, Sony fans were saying mind-blowing things like Sony FE glass is 1/3 the price of RF glass (completely wrong -- they are very similar), that RF glass is "huge" (I guess they haven't seen the RF 70-200 2.8) and that the A7 III has a better shutter life than the R6 (false again, the R6 is rated 100,000 higher). Of course, those pro-Sony/anti-Canon comments got a ton of likes, and when their points were disputed, the posters vanished.

Hello Willow W, what you wrote doesn’t relate at all to what Kharan stated.

Interesting that Canon fanboys/girls keep bringing Canon into Sony articles and Sony into Canon articles.

Kharan is a Sony fan boy, and you may be too with your defense of his comment.

I was serious though. I'd like to see a side by side test.

Noah I can assure you, you will not get burned. This is a legal warning and nothing more.

@Noah (Willow), Sure I’m a Sony fan for going on the record saying Canon R5/6 are great cameras overall.

sure no problem with a side by side test. I would like to include A9ii into that comparison as well.

Next time please make a new comment if your content is not relevant to the post you are replying to.

Updates are coming for R6 too. Canon promises a series of future firmware updates for R5 and 1DXIII. And if you look at the bottom of the press release it also mentions R6 will get a firmware update including fixes just released for R5:

https://www.canon-europe.com/press-centre/press-releases/2020/08/canon-announces-eos-r5-firmware-version-1-1-0/

Handsome90/Willow,
My comment was very relevant.
After years of Sony cameras overheating in faster times, suddenly Sony fans are saying the Canon is crippled.

All I want is a side by side test to see of that is true.

@Noah, looking at your account opening date (March 2020) you are too young to understand the meaning of cripple hammer. Cripple hammer has nothing to do with overheating or engineering challenges.

Also why did you start posting all of a sudden in 25th of August? Is it because your other account got banned?

I've seen Sony fans use the words when discussing record times with Canon cameras.
DId you see Sony released a FW update for the A7Riv? It can now record HQ4K for 0 minutes and 8K for 0 minutes. :D

I might be wrong, but my impression is that regular end-users have not yet even received the pre-ordered R6's? An online firmware update for a product that is not available yet for the masses would be a bit premature.

"@Noah, looking at your account opening date"

He is our long time buddy who is in habit of getting banned all the time.

Copied from R subforum after someone updated to the latest firmware

“Indoors, with a 5" USB fan and some form of env temp control, then I think the recovery time has decreased a lot. For me, 2hrs down to 20 mins.“ Source https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64302539

And some still argue it wasn’t the cripple hammer at play before

@Noah, You claim you have an A7RIV, say it's a great camera yet you're bashing it here.... this is really odd behavior.
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4514469

Guess you didn't learn much after getting banned on Willow W. Making a new account just to troll is hilarious and incredibly sad.

Lumix FF is a competitor to the Arri, not equal but no cliff edges.

Prasad Naik - I'm pretty sure no one will force you to buy one, right? Like I said there are many other options out there for video shooters. You don't have to accept my argument, vote with your wallet. I think the R5 is a great stills camera, I skipped the 5D Mk IV and the original R because they didn't look like worthwhile investments to me personally. The R5 met my wishes. So, I bought one. If I was primarily a video shooter, I wouldn't give it a second glance. Horses for courses. That's my view. I understand you have a different view. That's cool with me. don't buy an R5, buy something that fits your needs better. It's a big world out there, I'm sure there's something for you in it.

@TN

That the camera would solely rely on the Temperature sensors and not in a timer, if the camera gets back to normal operation temperature I want to be able to shoot and not wait for an hour, just this!

Reliability.....

Yes reliability, when the camera reaches a certain temperature shuts down, and when it gets colder it lets you shoot again till it’s warm again!
And not when it reaches tot minutes!!!

It’s the way Sony cameras work!! And I don’t see anyone saying anything about reliability issues!!!

@badi

On the previous firmware the camera only used a timer to give you a heat warning, on the new firmware Canon said that it’s a combination of a timer and the temperature sensors, so a timer is still involved, and to me the gaining on recording time we got with the new FW seems too constant.

I haven’t seen anywhere Canon saying they did anything with the clock speed of the processor!

Recovery times is still too long in my opinion.

I’m sure we will see some interesting results from people doing various tests.

didn't hear about canon saying it is a timer thing, sorry.

But the important part here is that it seems you are not only right, but canon seems to be far worse than you insinuated .... holly c***p!!!
Here is an article saying how you can actually reset the internal timer and apparently there is no real overheat issue (at least in normal temperature conditions):
https://petapixel.com/2020/08/24/simple-hack-proves-canon-eos-r5-overheating-limit-is-artificial/

Now i am really curious for someone to try to record several times 12hours continuous recording tests to see if there is really a chance for hardware failure...