OPPO to announce 10x lossless smartphone zoom camera

I think you're right, it's similar in that way to the prototype except IIRC the prototype was 28mm equiv. prime and then a 2-5x zoom counting from there.

Quote from Engadget:

"Oppo teased a new and improved design that offers 10x hybrid zoom, ranging from an equivalent of 15.9mm all the way to 159mm. This is all thanks to a new triple-camera setup, starting from an ultra-wide camera, then a main camera in the middle, and then a periscope to top it off with some sweet optical zoom action -- likely the same 3x optical zoom in the previous design, based on the render.

Together, these three cameras supposedly enable a seamless transition from 1x all the way to 10x zoom, with the main shooter and the periscope further enhanced with optical image stabilization."

I think I misunderstood a gsmarena article. It is a "hybrid" zoom (which means that the actual equivalent focal length of the module is not 160mm), but there is no information what the actual equivalent focal length is. So the actual equivalent focal length could be 80mm, but it could be also 100mm, etc..

You just answered you question of "But somehow the trend didn't catch on.".

They call it "lossless" on purpose because it's not a true optical zoom.

If it's not a true optical zoom, yet it is lossless, what the hell is it? In real science terms. Not marketing terms?

Yup, I've been looking to sell my RX100V since I got my s9. Better dynamic range, better slow mo, 4k60fps.....what else can it do better for half the price....

I got a S9 too but my Rx100 IV is still muuuuuch better for raw image quality in photo, daylight or lowlight.

Colors and jpeg dynamic range are better on the S9, as well as video stabilisation but if you want to work on your pictures smartphones are way behind 1 inch sensors.

When I go out with an RX10IV I take ±2EV brackets, you can't even do that with your phone yet (found it on Camera FV5 but it's frustratingly slow and literally unusable unless on a tripod).

@S Yu: I've been using CameraPixels to take blisteringly fast +/-3EV RAW exposure brackets with my iPhone for more than a year.

Why don't you invest a little time learning how to use your smartphone?

>Tiny, noisy is next on the chopping block!

Don't talk about yourself like that, it'll be ok...

well yeah, but I've got an NEX-6 or 6D for when I want to take real photos. For random street shots and to always have in my pocket, the stuff phones can do is incredible. Plus a good quality wide angle add-on lens, some simulated portrait mode.....it definitely passes muster 90% of the time.

Mine was the Minolta Dimage X20. It came out in 2003. Two whole megapixels, AND very pocketable.

My Sony TX-30 uses a periscope design like many earlier water resistant P&Ss, this tech is not new, just smaller.

Quite possible since Apple had a patent around 2015 and 2016. While OPPO announced it in 2017.

Xcelent/ For smartphone? No. Apple's patent showed on Feb, 2015.

Completely digital zooming is the same as cropping, which wouldn't require dual lenses.

Reading comprehension.

"If it had zoom capability that wasn't just digital."

I said it wasn't just digital. But you can't read. Look at the words!

That's where reading in context occurs.

Too much time spent away from basic English and too much time spent in front of a smartphone has rendered you incapable of managing more than a single sentence; and if it's ambiguous by itself, you can't tie everything together because it has more than social media's 127 characters and you can't comprehend more than a twitter count of words strung together.

It's a wonder you can eat more than one food type. Good thing restaurants usually push sides or you'd end up with rickets or scurvy, or just die from malnutrition. Because you can't THINK of more than ONE thing at a time!

It's not my fault you don't know how to write clearly.
I can't read your mind.

Sorry, but it is ambiguous as it stands. The most reasonable interpretation of your sentence, in this context, is that you would use the phone, if only its zoom wasn't just digital. You made a statement in the form of a counterfactual, conditional sentence.

Part of language is interpretation.

You FAILED!! My guess is that if I looked at your portfolio, it would also be a failure. I'm not going to do that though, because I already know I'm better than you.

Also I'm tired of your continued inability to understand basic ideas.
HAVE FUN whatever it is that you do for that. But I'm done trying to teach someone with such a enormous mental handicap that they can't even reason out something after it being explained OVER AND OVER to him. It's just boring. You bore me. I have no more patience for your stupidity.

Enjoy the rest of your life... however you decide to do that. Probably by stumbling through it rather blindly. But hey, you can decide what to interpret or understand as you see fit. Not my problem.

Borisk1:

That's not what the illustration seems to say, but right the text implies that. I could be wrong, but I don't see how anyone can get a real 10X (or 5X) with just two sensors.

There could certainly be a compulational solution that fakes it. But we've never seen 10X claimed.

Then since the camera sensors are facing sideways, I have to think my point about the slow lens remains valid, unless the camera body is on the order of 15mm+ thick.

"The WA camera is fixed focal length, providing reasonable low light performance."

It's not going to provide good low light performance if it's f/3.5.

I guess you didn't either, Huawei P20 has a Night mode before Pixel. Now its becoming common function in many phones.

Chuck, your 'rebuttal' in no way negates my fundamental point.

But if it soothes your battered ego, sure, Huawei is better, or first, or whatever.

I just had a quick look at your history, Chuck, and your motivation is abundantly clear. Yeah, Huawei is the best, there is no better brand of mobile phone, and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot.

They would be the broad strokes, right?

No, I am just setting the facts straight as you give credit to Google for the "evolution of technology". And yes, I have a Huawei P20 Pro, along with many other cameras. In fact, I just brought a Panasonic and I think its a very good camera for traveling and it takes better image than a Huawei.
And how is Google "Night sight" relevant to the Oppo 10x optical zoom exactly?

Maybe I'm being unfair, Chuck, I mean just look at all those world class images in your gallery.

Hmm, wait. Now that I think about it, I don't know why I assumed that the second lens is a zoom. It's positioned the same way they place a zoom lens in tough cams, but the pic only shows five elements, which seems like too few for a modern zoom lens.
If both lenses are FFL, and they use fancy interpolation to "zoom", it's not nearly as exciting as I first thought.

Just add another prism before the sensor.
Calling a digital crop of the sensor lossless is a lie. If, like the Parrot Anafi or Mavic 2 drone camera they claim that cropping to a 1:1 pixel area is lossless, they are discounting all the magnification of optical distortions, abberations and diffraction that goes with cropping lens field of view.

System resolution of only the lens and sensor is 1/((1/lenslpm)+(1/senslpm)). Ie, assuming 100 lpm for both, you get 50 lpm out. Cropping effectively cuts lens res in half but leaving the sensor at 100 leaves 33.3 lpm out. A lossy system could leave 25 lpm so better but not lossless.

At least the optical zoom range is more lossless, but would start with a smaller aperture (diffraction), compromise abberations and reduced transmission.

Second prism is another clever idea. But that is not what we see on the design illustration above.

I think you missed the point.

No you missed the point!

oppodigital is not oppo. They are a blu-ray player and audio company based in the USA. They never carried any smartphones