From a pure design standpoint, Sony's a6500 may not appear all that flashy at first glance, but don't let that fool you. It may look like an a6300, but with 5-axis in-body image stabilization, a touchscreen for focus point placement (even with your eye to the finder), and an improved processor that brings an extensive buffer and instant image playback/review to the Alpha line, it's a compact force to be reckoned with. Get the low-down in our overview video.
Why Sony does not like Fuji? Launches 6500 but updates the firmware of 6300 to the same functions. It is an injustice to those who bought the 6300 there is so little time. Sony this point is equal to Canon and Nikon
I shoot with the a6000 and this model seems to be a worthy successor to that series and, at least for me, worth skipping the a6300 but I suspect the price will be commensurate with the high specification. A good buy in the Spring 2017.
Is the Sony a6xxx for prime shooters only ? As soon I see a good 17-55 F2.8 E-mount I will jump on the 6500. For now, walking on the street with a bag of primes on my neck is not very practical for me.
Oh my. For whatever reason the 6300 didn't cause me any camera envy, but this has me seriously considering upgrading from the A6000. In-body image stabilization will make those Sigma lenses even more of a steal.
DPR do you still have the A6500 or A99II in house? Can you confirm what Sony site seems to say. That it will Geotag the image files (RAW?) in camera using the GPS data from a phone / Tablet with play memories?
M Jesper: So new models means that there is something wrong with the previous? Guess what! I don't have the latest model, but my camera still serves me well. And I find it just great that there are even more capable models available when I evenually will upgrade. :-)
Touch-Screen Yes-Yes-Yes! IBIS Super. 4K Excellent. No GPS, No USB3, No Headphone jack, No Full-Frame. No Tilting EVF. A year ago, maybe, but now, still not good enough to me to upgrade from A5100, especially not for 1700EUR. I've just recently spent about 1000 on my medium format kit (body, lenses, backs, ...): Mamiya RZ67.
"It can't select an AF point AND take a picture at the same time" I don't think it is true. I have the A5100, and it has brilliant touch-to-shoot, touch-to-magnify (even during video recording), touch to (smooth or fast) pull focus features. I simply cannot believe that the A6500 wouldn't have the excellent touch functions of the A5100. Honestly, I don't care touch-menus. The A5100 touch-screen is brilliant, BUT, no GPS, no 4K, no USB3, ...
It and the A99II appear to have GPS support built in now. This feature is not listed on any other Sony. "The camera can use the location info from a phone with play memories installed to record location data and also set the camera's time and location (time zone) info. This requires a used phone, no cell plan just wifi to download the app and the GPS + Bluetooth will tag your images.
These "No full-frame" comments indeed let me sometimes despair with humanity. You hear them for other cameras like the Leica T as well. Essentially people want FF image quality at the size and cost of APS-C. Ideally probably also FF DOF out of their APS-C lenses.
I feel like buying a 2x4 at Home Depot and taking a trip to Sony Japan and whacking those engineers over the head. Wake up Sony! Somebody in the top three has to be the first to introduce a complete remake of the screen interface. It needs to be an icon driven touch very similar to smartphones. Dump those freaking menus!!! I want to organize the icons on multiple screens to suit me. YOU don't know what I need and never will. And I don't care what your engineers think about what belongs on a professional camera. Stop trying to sell customers what you think they need. Sell us what we want. Or have you forgotten who is paying the blinking bill !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Icons? Are you kiddin'? If You need icons, it doesn't mean that everybody needs it. If somedody wants to see built-in Angry Birds at their professional cameras, should Sony add it too?
I have seen this a lot lately, maybe the same person with different handles I don't know. But the NEX interface had big icons with a touch screen - It was AWFUL and everyone was happy when they moved away from it. Icons are not all that exists in a smartphone UI either, for setting within the OS or Apps there is almost always a menu, unless the App is very very simple and designed to essentially do one thing. Is that what you want form a camera? Funny how professional software applications still use pull down menus, kiddy toy 'apps' are the only ones that don't. It's a design paradigm that's only been around since the first GUI's, but hey, smartphonesss are way better!
The efficiency of icons is that I have just the 'right set of icons' for me on the 1st two pages of my phone. And so do you. I don't care what you think is the right set, and you don't care what I think is the right set. We get to have it, 'our own way.' And yes, it should also have the ability be menu driven if you want it that way. However, what is in the menus should be controlled completely by each user. Let each of us customize the interface to our liking.
@abort: At no space-time in this universe did I suggest doing 'AWFUL'. But since you missed it I'll be explicit: Sony: Make an icon-based interface for your cameras by copying every nuance that is applicable from the touch interface of iPhone and Samsung phones. Use that as the base. Following that base, build it out to be as good for cameras as iOS and Android are for phones. NEW Ground: Open the app store to all developers. Let the camera become app friendly. Let developers show us what these cameras can really do. Name this new OS, SonyCameraOperatingSystem, SCOS.
@abort: OK. I understand. I respect your opposition to my ideas. No problem. But I would also appreciate your laying out a comprehensive solution for the way forward from your point of view.
Many cameras with a touch interface already have a customisable panel for features you want to access regularly. It's basically a function screen. Sony have one (though it isn't rouch). But you aren't going to get the depth of features by having lots of icons for everything, icons are only good for one thing selecting them, which means they can be on or off. Menus are still required for anything more complex.
Yes. You can enter playback and instantly check focus at 100% on whatever the last shot that was written to your card when you hit 'magnify' (or 'playback') was.
This is a huge improvement over what you might experience with, say, the a7R II.
But the card write speeds still aren't as fast as what you'll get with, say, a Nikon D5 or Canon 1D X II, so you likely won't be checking focus on your last shot of a burst instantaneously :)
Did you have a chance to test if rolling shutter has been minimized? As far as I'm aware, the a6300 had just about the worst rolling shutter on the market.
That's too bad. I wonder if Sony is holding it back in this regard to give customers a reason to get the A7Sii instead, especially since the 4k output of the a6300 is actually sharper. Competition is catching up though. Fuji X-T2 has much less rolling shutter, for example, than the a6300.
Why do the poor complain about Sony and its pricing; they have a lot of other cameras to choose from like the M from Canon or the 1 from Nikon. They all take pictures.
Complaining about price has nothing to do with been poor. It's funny, you think you're rich because you can buy a $1400 camera. We're not talking about Lamborghini. Pretty much anyone with a little saving can buy this. People complain because they wish it had more options for the money. My case, full touch screen control that sony refuses to implement.
No. I'm used to normal advancement. I don't take pictures with my phone, but no touch screen was the reason I sold my Rx10 II and a6000, it is also the reason i bought as GX85 despite lower picture resolution. I'm not a professional but I just don't get why sony refuses to put something on a camera that it is so easy to turn off, just like I can on my gx85, but never do.
Because they are selling a $500 camera with $1500 innards. It's about time they changed it up for once. I don't understand why anyone would pay $1500 for the crap they had to deal with on an a6000.
This looks like a no-brainer upgrade to my A6000. IBIS, faster focus with large buffer and silent shutter being the main features for me. I'm a still shooter, so the video end is a nice-to-have but not a need-to-have addition. Nice they re-organized the menus but I thought the originals were fine. The price also seems fine to me. I love the image quality of my Sonys. The A6000 has been fantastic! I'll keep it for a backup.
I also think it is a great camera, one of the best in the aps-c market.... but lately sony has added wonderful features in their latest FF and mirrowless cameras, then i would like to see a a77 mark3 with the lastest features, 4k, keep the 12fps and an improved AF system, and more sony lenses for this model.
To promote A500 IBIS they stopped selling 35mm F1.8 OSS lens in my country (India)....All Sony retailers and stockist, stopped selling it. In any case, there is no other matching lens available with AF or OSS in it for the price range (around $350), I have A300, without this prime lens, mine is getting rusted for more than 3 months!
you can get the Sigma 30mm f2.8 and use it with the a6500's IBIS and it wlll be a good cheaper alternative, but I love my 35mm f1.8 lens! my most used now that I have it.
There is nothing wrong with admiring the high tech that Sony incorporates into these camerabodies. There is also nothing wrong in mentioning the main flaws of Sony: a line of APS-C lenses that is at best dissapointing (either too bulky, too expensive or too much lacking in IQ). Colour science that is difficult to handle. Menu structures that are a pita. A random stream of body releases that leave many early buyers out in the cold.
I don't see why we shouldn't mention these flaws in forums alongside the true admiration for their cunning engineering brlilliance in the field of sensors and LSI's. Maybe Sony will one day hire some real photographers and address these shortcomings. Until then, I am tempted by these bodies, but at the same deterred by the grave pitfuls mentioned above.
Have You already use Sony cameras with new menu(A99-2 or A6500)? About lens line-up: at least there are great and cheap 35/1.8 and 50/1.8, 20/2.8, very good 10-18/4, and so on. It's still better than crappy EOS-M lens selection
Hi Hippo84, no I don't know how much these menus have actually improved. I think the jury is still out. EOSHD was sceptical, but maybe it has improved to an acceptable level. Those two primes are not exactly cheap, nor are they compact. An even greater problem is getting zooms that are compact, fair-priced AND deliver an appropriate IQ for the sensors. What is the use of these excellent sensors when you mount such a mediocre zoom? I am not comparing with the EOS-M series, and I do not know a lot about them, but I am comparing Sony's offering with M43 and Fuji. In both systems you don't run into the same flaws. Their ecosystem is simply much, much better. I would hope Sony will understand the need to address these issues. A lot of Sony buyers, who started with initial enthousiasm, later on felt let down by these limitations.
@Lucas1964... when you said "What is the use of these excellent sensors when you mount such a mediocre zoom?", I completely agree with you. I originally bought into the NEX system (5T), now have the a6300 and I'm still waiting for upgrades to my two kit lenses. But, I am not willing to buy the extremely expensive, heavy, huge GM or FE FF lenses Sony is offering for increased IQ. Sony needs to offer new or improved native zoom lenses to it's customers who bought into their APS-C E-mount system. As much as I like my new camera, I am very disappointed in the support (new or improved lenses) it deserves :(
This camera is meant for Sony FF users looking for a lightweight backup. Sony doesn't give a rip about APSC as far as the entire system goes. All their investment is going into full frame.
"Those two primes are not exactly cheap, nor are they compact."
What are you talking about? Cheap compared to what? Peanuts? Yes, they are expensive compared to peanuts. They are pretty cheap compared to the rest of the mirrorless market, certainly at a 'normal' level.
There is definitely something wrong in enumerating flaws without any explanation. What problems does Sony have with color science? Do you honestly believe they are hesitant in this field while at the same time they make excellent sensors everybody else uses? And the rant about menus is very subjective. They are just some menus with options, they don't prevent you taking good pictures. You could say the same about Olympus or Canon, it's a matter of preference, and they work fine in all cases.
pacnwhobbyist, I am afraid that you may be right, and that's a shame. Many photographers do not need a FF for everyday shooting. I like to take a camera with me when I walk in nature, or when I visit a city etc. Under normal light conditions, FF is not necessary for me and the bulk and weight is a real obstacle for me. That's why APS-C (and M43) really matters to me (and many others). Strange that Sony doesn't take that market seriously. Using FF lenses on the A6500 seems ridiculous to me because of the huge crop, the terrible bulk, and the spilling of IQ that was heavily paid for...
@dccdp: You are right in saying that colour-science is hihgly subjective, but are you yourself content with Sony colours? Most owners I have spoken to say that they consider the JPG's unusable, and that they have to work hard on the RAWs to get natural colours. Those who are heavily into video seem to have an even harder job in getting natural results. Is your experience different?
@lucas1964 - My experience IS different. I find the later Sony colours (probably from A7S onwards) to not only be very natural, but to actually be far more natural than 'famous' colours on Canon and Fuji, especially Fuji. They are more muted, so I think people find other brands colours more 'pleasing' with their extra wow and 'pop' depending on what palette they happen to prefer. I find the Sony colours to be quite cinematic, which are normally more muted than the bright and shiny of stills and in the past have had to turn down the saturation on many brands of camera. I found my later Fujis (past the X100 which had lovely colour) to produce awful colours under artificial light especially. But maybe their users attribute 'colour science' to 'film simulations', I don't know. My Canon's can be quite lovely with skin tones but often makes everything look muddy IMO without a lot of tweaking. I think some people find them so natural to be 'boring'.
There is nothing wrong with admiring the high tech that Sony incorporates into these camerabodies. There is also nothing wrong in mentioning the main flaws of Sony: a line of APS-C lenses that is at best dissapointing (either too bulky, too expensive or too much lacking in IQ). Colour science that is difficult to handle. Menu structures that are a pita. A random stream of body releases that leave many early buyers out in the cold.
I don't see why we shouldn't mention these flaws in forums alongside the true admiration for their cunning engineering brlilliance in the field of sensors and LSI's. Maybe Sony will one day hire some real photographers and address these shortcomings. Until then, I am tempted by these bodies, but at the same deterred by the grave pitfuls mentioned above.
Looks promising, but Sony needs to start getting with the program and increase the number of E-Mount lenses available for their mirrorless line and keep those prices competitive.
Again Sony is taking it to the DSLR main two players and other APS-C manufacturers with the latest two announcements (a99 ii & a6500). I expected something like this when the a6300 was released, but with a higher 4K rate. Sony, please keep the pressure on, it’s working, just keep a led on the escalated prices!. We hope by the end of the year, we hear about the a7 R iii with new sensor with higher resolution, faster frame rates, higher 4K fps, USB 3, GPS and better battery life, improved IBIS…, In case this early Christmas wish comes through, it will be the all-rounder of photography industry.
I'm starting to believe that either a lot of people who use this website are idiots, or there are just a huge amount of paid marketers constantly trash talking everything about their competitors on the most popular websites. It just doesn't make any sense for their to be so much non-nonsensical trash talk about freeking digital cameras.
"non-nonsensical", now I'm perplexed. I was going to use the word "irregardless" but felt my sarcasm would be lost on those same trolls. If someone can't enjoy the camera they own and have to troll this site to get satisfaction that's their problem. There is no "DPR Most Strongly Opinionated Award". I'm excited by the prospect of getting a discounted A6000, either on Amazon( now -$50 in checkout) or ebay. The rest is background noise.
And I'm excited for IBIS on APS-C with the A6500. The A7Rii is phenomenal with it.
For full frame, the A7 Mark 3 is going to be a speed demon when announced imo. No FF mirrored camera will be able to compete with the LSI tech and not having to move that mirror in each shot.
Really perplexing Rishi? What is perplexing is hyping new camera models that haven't been tested yet in DPR pre-views by just repeating marketing information of the manufacturer, combined with unsubstantiated positive assumptions and hyperventilating superlatives. It not only makes it hard to take DPR seriously, but DPR is actually encouraging and triggering these flame wars by doing so. Where did objectivity and factual information go?
Perhaps you're mistaking my smiling on camera with 'hyping'? We don't repeat marketing information (well, except in press releases). We provide our perspective on what's new based on our previous testing and first impressions having briefly used the new products. Consider that because we spend every day testing pretty much every camera, we have a pretty good idea about how to quickly assess certain aspects of camera performance. That's why, for example, we were excited over Dual Pixel AF's promise on the 5D IV, yet not enthused about its iTR performance, stating that it underperformed relative to the camera's own DPAF and competitors.
The 'hyping' was well-controlled and reserved for features that actually performed, & we're as equally critical about things that don't impress; e.g. in the recent Sony coverage, we criticized: lack of 'My Menu', lack of proper subject tracking (Lock-on) in video, excessive rolling shutter at 4K/24p...
DME is not being unreasonable. The APS-C lens-lineup is still lacking on Sony's end. However, the same could of course be said of Canon and the EOS M5, with its incredibly lackluster lens lineup.
Canon's saving grace there might be its EOS EF-M adapter - which appears to work quite well with Dual-Pixel AF on the M5 - however, even then your APS-C lens lineup is incredibly limited, in general, with Canon.
It's almost an industry-wide thing: do you make a maybe somewhat smaller APS-C prime, or just have it cover full-frame? Especially when there are diminishing returns in reducing size/weight at the cost of image circle at certain focal lengths... so many manufacturers just end up making the FF lens.
Save for Fujifilm, of course, because they've got nothing to lose: they have no FF format. Hence, you have a wonderful APS-C lineup with Fujifilm.
It's perplexing, indeed? Sometimes you have to step back and look at why this and other websites are so successful. Recipe: 1:Review and test products 2:Add Scores 3:Compare to competition Result: success and lots of attention/clicks To make it worse/better depending on how you look at it, you add forums and comments. DPreview is like this by design, and it is currently at the top of the hill because of it.
I wonder what kind of photography people are doing when a camera like the Sony A6500 and available E-mount lenses is not good enough! Looking at some treads and albums makes me wonder ever more! :-)
Vscd: Sure! Many demand so much from their cameras, and so little from themselves! Being able to make great photograhs on demand takes quite some talent and a lot of training - and also knowing the gear more than just having a certain brand. ;-)
"And which photo can only be made with an A6500 which can't be made with a 10 year old Canon 5D"
My $500 two year old Sony A6000 outperformed my 10 year old $3,200 Canon 5D in every way! And it sounds like the A6500 is even better. Anything over ISO 1,200 on the 5D was very noisy, with poor shadow and highlight detail and long shutter lag.
But there are also pictures you could never take with the A6000 but with a 5D and 85L for example ;) Newer gear helps of course, but I think quite few people should not only jump from spec to spec but just use more books and go into the field. By the way, the noise from the 5D is on par with the A6000 up to ISO1600, and only because then the Canon ends there. Check DXO for that.
Why? Because it's true. I just picked an example where the fullframe would excel, regardless of the age. Sorry for interrupting you with facts. I'm not saying it's the overall better cam, but there are many aspect where the usecase is on the 5D or any other old Fullframe. And a good photographer could do more with a 5$ exposable filmcam than a bad one could do with a Sony A6500. That's nothing new. So, what's you point here? I think we both know that.
vscd: Web war, I have to top you: You should have seen the pictures I took with a medium format Hasselblad. No needs to mention those taken with large format Sinars and Linhofs. No way you could have taken Anthony like this with a Canon 5D! :-) :-) :-)
@vscd My old Nikon D700 (which I bought for something like £2000) had no IBIS, no video, weighed a brick, had all sort of focus mis-alignment issues when shooting with fast lenses. Also at 12mpx there was very little crop-ability if I needed it (not that most Nikon lenses have much more resolution anyway). Also the weight and size (along with large lenses) meant I couldn't take it all the places I needed to and ended up having to carry a 2nd compact. I think you're looking back with rose tinted glasses if you can't see the advances that have taken place over the years.
Rob, I agree. Ten years ago, my 5D @12MP was near the top. Yes, I made some really good images with it but today the crop sensor 24+MP cameras can run circles around it. Sensors have greatly improved and I'm wondering how much better they will be 10 years from now.
Actually they seem to be mostly Canon users. There isn't a single post by an A6300 user who wants his money back. Why would there be? The A6300 is a brilliant camera.
It made me unhappy. Not enough to complain on here, but enough I felt a pit in my stomach when I saw the announcement. I recently bought the a6300, and would love to be able to touch to focus. Seems like such an obvious feature when shooting moving targets (namely my kids). I would also love some more speed. I find the camera to be very slow in some regards and buggy in others. It has crashed on me quite a few times. It has also overheated whilst filming video. Looking at prevous comments it doesn't appear that they have fixed all of these things, but the more they have fixed, the worse I am going to feel about my recent thousand dollar purchase. I fear I am guilty of human nature.
BBQue, the a6300 was kind of "BBQ" due to overheating and other issues. Sony will keep making new camera like they make new television sets, they are a consumer electronic company NOT a camera company.
A6300 was delayed due to lack of competition. Like A6300 the currently announced A6500 is just a respond to Fuji and Oly newcomers, and Sony just had to decide if to response now or still wait. Sony currently has 3 APS-C bodies that range in price and functions - all we have is to chose from.
"they are a consumer electronic company" Canon is a printer, monitor, calculator company, so what? Don't You know, that there are several independent divisions at Sony?
Really? When I was a Canon shooter the forums were full of people complaining about their slow updates and product cycle times. Sony speed it up and people like you complain because they bring innovation to market quickly.
This many not apply to you c45, but many stupid people on these posts have not woken up to the fact that our camera market is in very rapid decline. We are being eaten alive by phones. the only solution is rapid innovation within the enthusiast segment. Pros don't want new cameras every few months.
Sorry, but so many ill informed or worst still ill motivated posts on here. Rob
@ZeevK - "A6300 was delayed due to lack of competition."
That has got to be one of the funniest things I've read in days! Thanks for the laugh.
You and @Rubberdials should become friends. His/her total denial that the A6300 overheats and your theory Sony is purposely holding back camera's until the competition is strong enough should create some interesting reading here.
I am looking for a new camera. I am willing to reinvest even into a whole set of new lenses. This camera: Sorry.. nice figures.. extreme pricing.. overheating issues not even addressed verbally. I'm out. For money like that one gets to pick and choose an enormous variety of excellent cameras. We dont need this.
Why address underlying issues and fixing them when you can just throw more at the spec list and razzle dazzle 'em instead? Lets add IBIS, so what if it overheats faster! Lets add more focus points and a bigger buffer, but who cares if NONE OF THOSE FOCUS POINTS is cross type, if a lot is good, more is better! Doesn't have sensitivity down to -2.0 or -3.0? Who cares if tracking goes into the crapper in lower light, they added more focus points!!!
You absolutely doesn't understand how AF systems of mirrorless cameras work. No cross-type? Please name one, just one mirrorless camera with cross-type focus points. How many of them does Canon EOS M5 have?
It's a camera with 1.5-times smaller sensor. I have Olympus EM5, Sony APS-C and FF and know what does this difference mean in practise. About 121 cross-type focus points - as I know, non cross-type on-sensor phase detection points are sensitive at both horizontal and vertical directions, aren't they? You can made them square, round, cross-form, and so on
@Hippo84 - "It's a camera with 1.5-times smaller sensor"
Can't argue with sensor size, sensor size is sensor size BUT it's also a camera with some amazing lenses to offset that. Fast AFFORDABLE 1.4 and 1.8 primes and 2.8 zooms are par for the course in m4/3's land. Here is Canada, the Oly 25 and 45/1.8's are $399.- regularly on sale and you can get the Pana 35-100/2.8 and the Oly 12-40 for around $1000.- or just a little over that if you look hard enough. I rarely see Sony's offerings on sale here.
Lets see, if I want e35mm in 1.8 I could get a Oly 17 for ~$550.- or the Sony at 24mm at $1400.- !!! If you want to play equivalency police we're talking 3.6 vs 2.7 - is that worth $900.- to you? At e35mm, is 2/3's a stop going to make or break your photo's on a consistent basis? If it is, maybe FF is the way to go for you.
I'd run out of space coming up with all the better m4/3's lenses but I will say this - a system is more than a sensor - without glass you're holding it back.
I have Oly EM5, 45/1.8 and a pair of zooms and often shoots with my friend's EM1 with 12-40 and 40-150/2.8, and I know m4/3 strenghts and weaknesses. I haven't said that m4/3 is worse in every aspect, I just meant that camera with larger sensor(1"vs 4/3, 4/3 vs APS-C, APS-C vs FF, and so on) may be more expensive. I haven't said any word about lenses
Honestly.. I dont care about that anymore. I used a Fuji X-Pro2 and i found it to be surprisingly ugly in real life.. Taste is one thing. Good pictures are another ;)
I think it is good timing that will take many sales away from the Canon EOS M5 since Canon 'Could have' taken some market shares from Sony's MILC cameras. The a6500 is smaller/lighter and comes with better AF, video, FPS, et... and most importantly IQ. All that R&D and cost it took to develop the EOS M5 has simply gone to waste, what a shame for Canon. The do make very good, heavy, large, expensive DSLR though ;)
Let's wait and see...right now...the A6300 has a reputation for overheating. This may be an overblown issue and it seems geography may come into play as it seems to be a more problematic issue in warmer climates. Hopefully, Sony has compensated for the additional heat that features like IBIS and increased FPS will surely bring. If they haven't, then we're going to see a whole lot more YouTube videos of Sony cameras overheating... and then you can talk about wasted R&D. So, let's wait and see...and hope I guess...If you live in a colder part of the world, well...then you are set.
It's funny how it overheats for unknown posters with no posting history on forums but when professional testers like Richard Butler or the Cinema5D guys test it it doesn't. I wonder why that is.
@Jun2 - Good point...but I will wait and see... @ RubberDials; Wait a sec. I thought both Richard and the Cinema 5D guys both recognized the potential for the A6300 to overheat. I believe Richard is in Seattle and the Cinema 5D review is based on interview recordings...neither setting was really challenging the camera in terms of ambient temperatures...Yet, both reviews mention the potential for overheating and need for further testing...something you may have missed...somehow...
It overheats or it has the potential to overheat - which is it? Richard shot and edited a movie for his local craft brewery (good choice :)) with it and didn't overheat. You can read about it here https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a6300/7
That's the standard - can you make a video with it using the video function, not screwing it to the Mercury rover and shooting back to back 29 minute clips. You know that you can make standalone video-cameras overheat, right?
@Mike, I had/have overheat problems with Nex 5N and A6000 at 20-25°C in shooting video. It would say NEX 5N overheated more. It also has to do with ISO condition when shooting videos. High ISO cause more problems than low ISO. NEX5N usually stops after 5-12 mins videoing at ISO 1600. I only had A6000 stopped on me once, but I haven't shoot too many videos with A6000.
I've had my old 1ds mk2 overheat shooting stills, mind it was 42.c in Sri lanka at the time.... we get the 5dmk3 heating up something fearce on long shoots.... yesterday I did a job using our a6300 shooting car to car with several 20 minute shots almost one after the other... at 120fps... and i never even felt it getting warm.
I don't buy into this overheating malarkey... just sayin.
I no longer live on the Pacific Northwest Coast but living and traveling in Asia, as I do now, is often compared to being in a sauna...maybe Richard should have tested it there...kidding... According to him, CONS "Risk of overheating limits use for extended recording periods"
Good distinction but it would seem that ambient temps. will play into whether it will overheat or not. Anyways, like I have tried to explain...my own suspicions are that overheating really depends more on your geographic/shooting location. More people complaining about overheating often are shooting in warmer environments. I am sure you can shoot for hours on Mercury provided it's at night.
These cameras remind me of placing a pint glass on a cigarette box.
For small mirrorless I'd actually prefer an Olympus E-PL8 + compact lens and with additional hot-shoe EVF - which raises the eye-level above the top of the camera - and the EVF tilts up - so you can look down into the camera. This tilt-up aspect of the EVF I often use with the EPL range - it's a revelation! - and why I'm now taken by the Fuji GFX 50.
For top-spec features in APSC I prefer a proper formed camera, rather than an odd-ball pint glass and cigarette box.
I've come to realise not to be seduced by a one camera does everything approach.
...to give a pic of the high-res tilting EVF I was referring to, available since 2010... / maybe possibly slightly off-topic, but I still think it's an underrated aspect of compact mirrorless cameras; 6 years later the Olympus tilting EVF is still going strong!
Thanks guys for the quick first look at this camera. I'm sure there'll be much more to come. The increased buffer size, in particular, is a welcome upgrade. I had suffered enough, and lost enough shots, in the past on a Sony camera, in burst mode, due to the limited buffer size.
Three A6XXX versions later and doubling the price to $1400 and finally, finally Sony has managed an iPhones level of responsiveness.
But should I believe you? Your entire 1000 page A6000 and A6300 reviews failed to highlight the fact that image preview could take 22 or 30 (A6000/A6300) seconds after a 4 second burst. (not in the A6300 review at all, on the backside of a sentence starting with a compliment buried deep in the A6000 review).
A $1000 camera that takes 30 seconds before you can view a picture? That's worth a headline of it's own yet you completely left it out of the review (or buried it, I never saw it).
With confidence destroying "coverage" of such faults right now you rank right up there with amazon reviews when it comes to trustworthiness.
They didn't say it because it's not true that's why. I just tried it. 4 second burst on high speed continuous A6000 raw+jpeg - 4 seconds to write to the card. 4 seconds not 22.
I hope you are aware that the term 1/32000 electronic shutter speed is a marketing term for actually saying.
1/32000th readout time per line.
The actual shutter speed of the electronic shutter is NOT 1/32000th of a second but 4000 x 0,00003125 => 0,125 second.
So 1/32000th is actually 0.125 shutterspeed. Hence the image artifacts that occur and rolling shutter effect that is clearly visibly when using the electronic shutter.
The electronic shutterspeeds mentioned (by all brands by all means) are a pure lie until we get a global shutter.
All one needs to do is take a photo of a moving object at what they think is 1/8,000th or 1/16,000th or whatever speed and see some pretty horrible 'rolling shutter' action going on.
Was just listening to a podcast with Valerie Jardin where she says someone she knows shot a wedding using only electronic shutter thinking they were ahead of the game because of it's silent operation and the wedding photo's were totally ruined.
Would it be ok with up to 500th with flash on manual output.. or say 800th/1000th or so? 500th would do me. Need full power with the flash so no hypersync flash .. thanks in advance
If you'd care to understand how the CIPA test is performed and how mirrorless cameras work, you had found out that your assertion is nonsense. In continuous shooting mirrorless is not essentially worse than a DSLR in battery life.
Yes, you can easily take thousands of images in burst mode even on p&s cameras with tiny batteries. A6300 can do thousands, so A6500 would at least do the same.
@joe_leads Yes, and if *you* understand how mirrorless cams work you can drain the batterie while looking through the viewfinder without taking *any* picture at all. Just wait 4 hours for the bird to arrive. Mirrorless *IS* essentially worse with batterylife by design. It not their strength (other features are...)
@ vscd: Two things come to mind: 1. Would you consider turning the camera off while waiting for the birds? 2. If you must have the camera on, use one of the many external batteries available dirt cheap.
@NoMirror99 (Fanboyname?) 1.) No I wouldn't turn of the cam, because I wouldn't see anything 2.) ...and then the weightadvantage was how big? Ah, I see.
I own mirrorless cams and like them but I also own DSLRs and know where to use which specific cam on which specific job. Please STOP the "mirrorless is better" nonsense. A sportscar is not better than a truck, it's just another approach for doing a different job.
I am curious as to whether there will be any overheating issues which have already gotten a lot of media play. Adding additional features will only add to the heat generated by the camera...has Sony compensated for this? Hopefully they have or quite possibly this may result in a camera that is unsuitable for certain parts of the globe. A friend in Canada has reported no issues with his A6300 but the same can't be said of couple of acquaintances that I know in Taiwan, a much hotter place, especially in summer.
Admit you have never touched a Sony camera. You are a shill for Canon and professional troll at best and your posts are pathetic showing envy with every word. You and your comrades destroy all integrity on this site.
Well in the U.K. the Sony a6500 is £1499 and the Fuji X-T2 is £1399 Sony just NOT worth the monies it should be about £999, after all what about all the photographers whom bought the a6300 left with a duff camera because it has a serious bug ie OVERHEATING in video mode, They don't address the issue, they bring out the a6500. and leave the loyal customers with a duff camera. There aftersales service is total c--p. Sony needs to improve there Lenses vastly there IQ is just NOT there unlike Fuji Lenses which are vastly superior, heck even there kit lens the 18-55 is streaks ahead of anything Sony makes Tom G
They put IBIS in and didn't change the body (except for the grip) and it's the same sensor so be ready for even more overheating. In some occasions it even overheated in photo mode. How nice is that? Even for me as an amateur it's unacceptable that if I'm on a holiday trip to Italy or Spain (or some other medium warm country) and shoot photo's I have to wait now and than a few minutes because the camera did overheat...
i don´t know why and it´s sure a personal opinion but the RAW files out of my canon cameras look more pleasing to me.
that´s one of my main concerns with sony at the moment.
the a6000 i use sure has a nice sensor. but when i do landscapes i like the look of my canon cameras better.
sure you can try to tweak the colors .. but why should i have too? with canon i barely have to do work on the individual colors. exposure, highlights, shadows yes. but i barely have to touch the individual colors.
it´s hard to explain. but for example when i photograph a forest the greens from the canon look more pleasing. nothing i would complain about when i only see the sony image...but when i compare images i notice it.
Very true. I check out SAR and when the weekly pictures roundup comes out I can't help but think the photographers sneezed when adjusting the saturation and clarity sliders and then didn't reset them. Very plasticky and fake (people used to say digital looking) photo's.
The second best IQ APS-C sensor engine, dust and waterproof & beefy build, tilting touch screen for focus selection, speedy AF, great viewfinder, huge FPS and huge buffer. This may be the camera I trade my nice but not-quite-there A7ii in for. Another dial and it would be a forgone conclusion.
It's not waterproof, not even splash proof. It just has dust and mositure resistance according to Sony.com: "This camera is designed for optimal dust and moisture resistance, but is not waterproof or splashproof. For FE lens only."
Have fun with your warranty claim and Sony's world famous customer support in case it dies taking photos in the rain...
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