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Sharp's new 8K camera is $77,000

With 4K recording available on many smartphones and 4K resolution pretty much a standard specification on TV sets, it looks like the industry is now pushing to move into 8K territory faster. Sharp's contribution comes in the shape of the new 8C-B60A 8K camcorder which is aimed at broadcasters and will undoubtedly be deployed at the 2020 Tokyo Olympics.

The camera comes with a Super 35mm sensor that's approximately the same size as the one on the Red Helium Weapon 8K and is capable of recording 10-bit 60 fps footage. Grass Valley's HQX codec helps keeping file sizes at a manageable level but the camera comes with a custom 2TB SSD pack that was developed in collaboration with Astrodesign and can hold approximately 40 minutes of 8K video.

A PL lens mount can take Zeiss and Leica lenses among others, which should give filmmakers plenty of options for creating a specific look and make the camera an option far beyond the fields of news and sports.

In addition, the 8C-B60A comes with a number of features aimed at broadcast users, such as an integrated top-handle and viewfinder, as well as simultaneous recording and output and a shoulder pad.

All those features don't come cheap, though. With a price tag of $77,000 the 8C-B60A will be out of reach for enthusiasts and prosumers but it will help big broadcasters and producers drive 8K and help manufacturers, such as Sharp, push the sales figures for 8K displays.

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JC Ramos Photography

I just started getting 4k stuff and there's 8k??!?!

1 week ago
Richmondthefish

Video cameras just like still cameras continue to push the boundaries of IQ despite people claiming that they are already mature enough. I remember when 16mp was enough in stills cameras. Then it was 24mp. Then 36mp. Now it's 50mp.

Video is on the same train. When we saw 1080p for the first time it felt like there would never be anything better. Like looking into a window. Now we see with UHD sources that this was false and improvements to video can take place. 8K is just another extension of this.

1 week ago
MikeFairbanks

It's a good camera. All three of my copies are consistent. ;)

1 week ago
Thorfinn
Thorfinn

As HiRES at the olympics 2020 are announced, I will invest in cooling & refridgerating suppliers - These monstrous amount of data has to be computed somewhere.

I am so much not looking forward to count the blades of the green. Maybee some pixelpeekers will love it.
There is only SD footage of Mark Spitz, Jessie Owens run is only b/w. So what!

1 week ago
zzzxtreme
zzzxtreme

If master tapes of old footage are kept, they are capable of 8K.
Old movies are 8k ready. Movies shot with most prosumer fullhd cameras aren't. How ironic

1 week ago
Barbu

You can scan old movies at 20mp, push it even to 33-40mp (depending on the width/height ratio) but all you would do, on film from before 1965, is enlarging the grain. Nothing stops you from using not just 8K/33MP, but 16k/130MP, or go crazy and run multiple scans and mix them for 200MP/frame. Still no aditional detail, DR or...
Some people have a fetish for film, I swear to (or at?) God; after all, maybe somebody will fund a religion based on film rolls spaghetti ;) monster, which would have exactly the same relevance as any christian, islamic or whatever else imaginary entity that people feel the need to pray at.
P.S.: just to be clear, you can derive pleasure from shooting film or doing exercises on your praying mat; anyone is free to do whatever they please, as long as they don't take away the same right from others. Still... Don't try to pass things as "8k ready" as facts, or at least not if you try to imply actual resolution. Otherwise, see above: old films are 32K ready too :P

1 week ago*
Ebrahim Saadawi
Ebrahim Saadawi

From seeing with my real eyes, S35 film reel (APS-C-ish size) have the detail of somewhere around 2.8-3.2K bayer digital sensors. Alexa's closest. C300II/Reds/Varicam/BM4K are higher, sharper.,

Definitely not 8K! You can go nuts and enlarge but 3K-ish is your maximum territory. Not even remotely close.

1 week ago
Dester Wallaboo
Dester Wallaboo

Old film isn't anywhere near 8K resolution. With really clear prints you'd be lucky to pull 4K.

Also, about half of blockbuster films being shot today are posted and released in 2K. True story.

1 week ago
Shamsheed

Shooting 8k may benefit some productions, like shooting an interview. Editing in HD will benefit from a medium , close mid and close shot, saving the need to use 3 cameras. But I also wonder how the final look will be like? As different focal lengths have different perspective and dof. Has any one tried this out?

1 week ago
Barbu

Nope. A crop from a larger shot will have exactly the same DOF as the original shot.

1 week ago
Shamsheed

Indeed. But that was not the question. May be I did not set the question rightfully. When we do a 3 cam shoot using 3 different focal lengths, we have a feel of immersion due to the change in perspective and dof. My question is about that feeling as the dof as well as the perspective remains the same. Specially for the tight shot where with any tele lens, we will get a shallow dof.

1 week ago
Leuf

You see this a lot on YouTube where they use this to cover edits from a single clip and you can clearly tell it's a zoom of the same shot. I don't know that this is necessarily bad, but different from what you expect. I think 8k would be more useful for events where they can zoom a wider shot down to a single competitor when something interesting but unpredictable has happened.

6 days ago
GabrielZ
GabrielZ

8K video is nice in theory, but I don’t see any added benefit to it for the consumer market. I’ll admit 4K looks a lot better on a big screen home TV than FullHD, but with 8K I don’t believe the eye will resolve anymore detail in a typical home viewing environment. Unless future screens literally cover an entire wall. And constantly moving ones head around to watch a movie on a screen that big won’t be very comfortable I’d imagine.

1 week ago
MatVicensPhoto
MatVicensPhoto

yeah, and those movie theaters were never good for anything either. . .

1 week ago
GabrielZ
GabrielZ

MatVicensPhoto I was referring to the home/consumer market. Of course 8K is suitable for the likes of the huge screens found in commercial theatres. But you won't see the advantage of that resolution in a typical home environment is all I'm saying.

6 days ago*
MatVicensPhoto
6 days ago
Dan Monroe

in a couple of years, the iPhone XXX(not 30) will probably cost $1500 and have built-in 8k video recording capability. :)

1 week ago
vscd
vscd

Or Apple will be gone like commodore. The brain behind apple is dead and it could be fading away...

1 week ago
rialcnis

I'll take two.

1 week ago
BBQue

This pixel race is just silly. Unless yo own your private cinema, and even then it probably won't make any difference. If at all, super high resolution distracts from the actual film.

1 week ago
Rambalac

But 8K does look incredible on big screen.

1 week ago
Ebrahim Saadawi
Ebrahim Saadawi

Are these 2TB SSDs interchangeable or built in? Can one offload one and hot swap the other?

That's the big question for 8K broadcasters in 2020.

1 week ago
PanoMax
PanoMax

https://www.quora.com/What-is-so-special-about-an-IMAX-camera-Also-why-are-there-only-4-of-them

Seems a bit cheesy compared to IMAX which cost more than $500,000. Mind you they can be rented for about $12,000 a week plus the cost of film stock $2-3 per lineal foot. Expect to consume about $200,000 for a typical production just for film. Oh yeah, then you'll need a crew. But the results will have been worth it.

1 week ago
Richmondthefish

Apples to oranges. This is using a super 35 CMOS sensor. IMAX uses a legit medium format sized sensor. You would need a digital camera equivalent to IMAX which isn't out there. Technically the hasselblad-h6d-100c does a full sensor readout in 4k of its sensor so that could be considered the genesis of a true digital IMAX camera. Really it should be recording 18k though.

1 week ago
Ebrahim Saadawi
Ebrahim Saadawi

Yet no one ever mentions that hasselblad for video, strangely. Seems very interesting.

1 week ago
Mssimo
Mssimo

Can anyone confirm selfie mode?

1 week ago
ovatab

it needs Sharper price

1 week ago
PanoMax
PanoMax

I'm going to dig out my Kodak Brownie Super 8 and load a roll of Kodachrome 25 film...then we can do the definitive comparison.

1 week ago
BBQue

Where will you have it developed?

1 week ago
mais51
mais51

On the DayLab - I am sure he has it somewhere in his basement

1 week ago
Nukunukoo
Nukunukoo

Too big. Not practical for my home and vacation videos.

1 week ago
Al3li Photo

Now with 8K its not just a camera price issue, it is also what follows it such as new computer system to handle the 8K rendring and a gigantic storage to hold your footage. I guess you have to empty those pockets to get to this resolution XD

1 week ago
KeepCalm

Sony should have a compact version soon for half the price with a 5 minute run time. I just can't wait.

1 week ago*
barrym1966

40 minutes of 8k video... Someone call Olympics and tell them to shorten the games ndont want sharp users to miss anything

1 week ago
LFPCPH
LFPCPH

Just buy 2 or 8 of them :-)

1 week ago
FLruckas
FLruckas

Hmm....
SSDs....
It's about time....
Blackmagic finally gave us back SSDs about a month ago...
This CFast stuff is a quirk that needs to end...
:=)

1 week ago
BJL

The newly arrived CFExpress format will eventually replace both CFast and XQD, and it is essentially a removable media form of SSD: it uses the same protocols as the bestsellers SSD's (multiple lanes of PCIe etc.) and will eventually offer multiple media sizes. The initial card size is the same as XQD, and in a way it is just a major upgrade of XQD; the Compact Flash Association has effectively acknowledged that CFast was a wrong bet, by using SATA instead of the newer, better PCEe.

One would hardly want hand-held video cameras to always be dependent on bulky SSD units.

1 week ago
FLruckas
FLruckas

Uh huh....
Arrived???
Where can I buy some?
What cameras are using it?
Yeah arrived....
More like paperware.....
And show me where it's more cost effective than SSDs.
Even DJI gets it!!!!
:=)

1 week ago*
mais51
mais51

the word you want to use is vaporware

1 week ago
BJL

The standard is "newly arrived"; the first cards and readers have been announced for Q4 delivery. External SSD's like Blackmagic's HyperDeck Shuttle are great where their bulk can be handled, but hand-held cameras can sometimes benefit from a smaller form factor; for example, even Blackmagic's biggest camera, the URSA Mini Pro, also has CFast for internal storage of full res. raw output; their smaller cameras do not fir with the bus of an SSD. (And anyway, CFExress is essentially a small format version of SSD!)

1 week ago*
FLruckas
FLruckas

Send me a postcard when I can cut a purchase order for a C series, Blackmagic, RED, EVA, DJI or any other significant video manufacturer's camera with this technology.
Until then....
Yawn....
:=)

6 days ago*
mbot

Wow, that much for a camera which ("which" not "that" - take note dpreview) cost ("cost" not "costs" - capiche everyone?) only $5000 to manufacture. Great stuff. Anyone got a lazy $77.000 lying around😟

1 week ago
jrutsch

"Costs" is fine because presumably it is still being manufactured and you are referring to a category (you used the singular "a"). "That" vs. "Which" is impossible to properly choose because you wrote an incomplete sentence, so we don't know how you intended to use the relevant clause.

1 week ago
mbot

No, you're wrong. People these days are not aware of every grammatical form, "which" evidently includes you...

"Cost" is still present-tense continuous! That's why I made the point, and which ("which" not "that) you are obviously not aware of.

The conjunctive "that" is a neuter bridging word, but I see on the on the internet "THAT" < proper usage here now as a conjunctive) most Americans are resorting to "that" way too often, where proper English requires "which".

I notice Americans use "that" as a filler for poor sentence construction (syntax). And there is no overarching rule regarding punctuation.

I also see that many Americans will sometimes use "which" only after a coma, but this is not its limited use. Your teachers and journalists in America need to be re-educated.

Another thing "that" < proper usage here now as a neuter conjunctive) many writers seem to be unaware of these days is 'compound' words, a hypen is often not necessary.

1 week ago
CallMeAlan

You say 'only after a coma'.

Shouldn't that be something like 'having been in a coma'? Why would having been in a state of unconsciousness suddenly alter the way one constructs a sentence?

1 week ago
Alastair Norcross

It appears that mbot's fanatical obsession with syntax has interfered with his or her facility with both spelling and semantics. I am particularly fascinated by the claim that " many Americans will sometimes use "which" only after a coma". Putting aside the comical misspelling, I'm wondering what is involved in "sometimes" doing something "only" on some occasions. For example, if I sometimes eat pizza only for breakfast, the "sometimes" and the "only" appear to be in tension. "Sometimes" conversationally implies that I also sometimes eat pizza for a meal other than breakfast. But then, it's false that I "only" eat pizza for breakfast. If I sometimes do something one way, and sometimes another way, then I don't only do it the one way.
But at least these posts are a refreshing relief from the inevitable complaint that Canon hasn't yet implemented 16K video recording in their entry-level cameras.

1 week ago
fatdeeman

I bet the party invites are coming thick and fast.

1 week ago
Eric Hensel
Eric Hensel

Trying to rein in popular usage, and the subsequent evolution of the language, is a fool's game.

1 week ago
FRANCISQUAN

1. Present tense is not hyphenated.

2. Proper spelling of hyphen.

1 week ago
BBQue

http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/which-versus-that-0
In the non-restrictive clause, both "which" and "that" are fine.

As for past tense being used as present-continuous: this is fine if you talk about one specific camera (the one you are holding in your hand for example), but not if you talk about a general set of cameras.

That is my understanding of English language, being a German :)

1 week ago
mbot

To any Europeans here, do not follow your American English teachers, they don't even know the applicable use of "which" & "that".

You're being taught by amateurs. The technicalities of written word can spiral into infinity, and that's where problems can arise.

I'm Australian, but I can tell you that we got our English from Britain, the original source of all English, and it is superior stylistically.

And that's before we get to American spelling changes...

e.g. the word "defence" (British spelling) is by etymology related to "fence", but America spells it "defense", which makes no sense at all, total arbitrary stupidity.

Favour, neighbour, endeavour, colour - all British spelling, and correctly related to pronunciation, and rightly so; but we see Americans degrade the spelling into color, favor, endeavor, neighbor.

Between spelling changes and lack of stylistic beauty, it is a pity that America chose to differentiate itself in this way.

1 week ago
BBQue

I live in US, but I leave the battle of the English up to you Brits, Aussies and Americans :)

In my opinion, the notion that language should be conserved and not undergo change and that one is "superior" to the others is plain silly. But this is only my opinion...

1 week ago
AlephNull

For me the most irritating use of "that" is in place of "who". People that do this dehumanize each other. People who do not, appreciate the difference between the animate and the inanimate.

1 week ago
proxy

@mbot "No, you're wrong. People these days are not aware of every grammatical form, "which" evidently includes you...
"Cost" is still present-tense continuous!"

No, it is not. "...is costing" is "continuous". A camera (it!) costs, not cost... Do your homework before coming here with your lecture.

The present continuous tense is formed with the subject plus the present participle form (-ing) of the main verb and the present continuous tense of the verb to be: am, is, are. ... "He" is the subject, "is" is the present tense of the verb to be and "swimming" is the present participle verb form.
http://examples.yourdictionary.com/present-continuous-tense-examples.html

1 week ago*
Franz Weber
Franz Weber

This discussion is very interesting, but the question remains: Is a camera that costss this much worth it’s money? Especially when you are a stills shooter...

1 week ago
BBQue

I guess not :) discussing the subtleties of English language and its various dialects (American, British, Australian) and their changes over time is so much more satisfying and fulfilling compared to what a new toy could possibly give you.

Personally, I am a big fan of Chaucer. I think English from then on went only downhill, hahaha...

1 week ago*
proxy

re. mbot's language remarks...
Some may say Australian sounds funny... just like American E. may be unbearable to your ears, which it seems to be. We don't speak the way we speak because your mother told you "son, this is present continuous and this is how we talk, that includes you..." but by following our environment, regardless what tense is used. We pass the language on and inherit it. This is how both, Australian and American, have developed. Language rules are made in an effort to standardise it, not God given. People make shortcuts and reinvent the language just like they reinvent our daily lives... take washing machines or cameras or... Iphones. It is a common knowledge that Americans are inventive, probably the most inventive nation on earth, take the number of patents... Same applies to culture and language. In many cases THEY set the standards. (...)

1 week ago*
proxy

(...) continuing:
They evolve the fastest because they feel less burdened with tradition, they are one of the the youngest among great (in numbers, and more...) nations... and I applaud them.
Progress by rebellion... this is how it's made, not by following what your father told you. Their language is just a reflection of that process.

1 week ago*
mbot

These replies, please spare me, your limited understanding is why written modern English (all over the internet) is a mess.

Do you think I don't know? Well then, let's have a look..

Those cameras 'which'' "cost"(present tense continuous)

The camera 'that' "costs" (present tense transitive)

Anything else you need to learn, just let me know😉

1 week ago
mbot

And to the pseudo intellectual and his pretentious philosophies...

I'll say one thing... THE WHEEL CAN'T BE REINVENTED!"

it is not progress we are seeing in language these days, it is degradation, a very present symptom in today's world.

1 week ago
proxy

mbot You still, really, have no idea what "present continuous" represents. Can't help you beyond that. Your thoughts are scattered all over. Maybe you'll get it some day...
Btw. cameras do cost, and a camera does cost (costs). You seem lost. You heard something, and still can't figure out what it was...
PS. you mixed up a wheel and a circle, a circle can't be, but wheels are reinvented daily. Language degradation shows in what, and how you write.
Re. "modern 'internet' English"... it is a mess, agreed, not even a language, LOL, but your rant was about American... confused.

1 week ago*
mbot

My God, another amateur stating the obvious, when is this gonna stop😩

1 week ago
CallMeAlan

@mbot: "another amateur"? Are you a professional of some sort then?

"gonna" - in which dialect of the English language is that in any way correct?

I saw in another of your immortal works your use of the word "replys". In which dialect of the English language can that be correct?

1 week ago
Eric Hensel
Eric Hensel

The language has changed and evolved for 1200 years -not a damned thing you can do about it but wring your hands, and bore people at parties.

1 week ago*
mbot

There are certain things where I like to break the so-called "rules"

I like to fix anomalies (anomalys) in the English language, so for instance - "reply" (singular) can be plural simply by adding S? As is the case with a myriad of other words.

And the past-tense of "read" should be "red". Look at it... I read the book last year. I tell you, No; but, I "red" the book last year.

All these things that you read, oops I mean "red", will enlighten you. He lead me when I was lost. I tell you, No; but, he "led" me when I was lost.

Capiche?

CallMeMbot

1 week ago
jrutsch

I will continue the world's most boring thread.

Present continuous is with a gerund (the -ing) form of the verb (he is eating). This is not a UK v. US thing. I think mbot means to talk about present perfect tense (has eaten), but again that isn't what he said. Regardless, using the present tense singular clearly isn't wrong.

Secondly, "Wow, that much for a camera which ("which" not "that" - take note dpreview) cost ("cost" not "costs" - capiche everyone?) only $5000 to manufacture. " is not a sentence: it is a sentence fragment. There's no subject or predicate, just a clause. Of course it was casual English, and we all understood what he meant, but you can't really be picky on the grammar of a sentence fragment.

However, "which" should have a comma in front to indicate extra information on a noun, while "that" does not have a comma and indicates necessary information about which noun is being discussed. "Photography, which is fun" or "the hobby that I have."

1 week ago*
mbot

Your reiteration of certain grammatical rules is misguided, including your understanding of them, which is why English is messed-up nowadays.

Your failure to see faulty rules of gramma is the issue, and half the problem is Google search results.

1 week ago
BBQue

You may want to check your own "gramma" :)

1 week ago
tangbunna

then viewers still use HD 720p TV.

1 week ago
Jonas Palm

Well, I recently watched footage from the 1936 Olympics.
Not all footage is for same-day consumption only.

1 week ago
tangbunna

oh yeah that time it was using film. better than current 1080p resolution

1 week ago
fatdeeman

Just because 1936 film has technically high resolving power doesn't automatically mean it looks good at 1080p resolution or even that is has been focused well enough to take advantage of the resolving power but that said it does prove that there's benefits to higher resolutions even if it's of no benefit to the consumer in the present.

Also the more you have to downscale something the better it looks. 8K downscaled to 4k or 2k will look better than stuff shot at those resolutions natively

1 week ago*
BBQue

"Well, I recently watched footage from the 1936 Olympics.
Not all footage is for same-day consumption only."

I bet you had no problem with the resolution Leni Riefenstahl used. Superb film maker, but unfortunately born in Germany at the wrong time and working for Adolf. Interestingly, she holds the US athletes in very high esteem in this film!

1 week ago*
LFPCPH
LFPCPH

But will it have global shutter ?

1 week ago
tangbunna

may be a ccd sensor

1 week ago
ProfHankD
ProfHankD

Good to see Sharp still in the game, but I think I'd go for the RED over this if I had the need and budget for either. I also don't see how PL mount "can take Zeiss and Leica lenses among others" -- PL has a 52mm flange distance, so it shouldn't be able to get anywhere near infinity focus with the much more common shorter mounts, just PL mount lenses. RED gets around that by offering other mount flanges. Then again, you should probably expect to be buying $150K of lenses if your body is $77K.... ;-)

1 week ago
Khun_K
Khun_K

Zeiss and Leica (Summilux-C and Summicorn-C) both have PL mount cine lenses

1 week ago
proxy

I highly doubt if RED could handle hours of continuous TV broadcasts without going on fire. Not designed for that, and this Sharp is. Big difference.

1 week ago
Sdaniella
Sdaniella

if, ideally, one needs:

4k (2160p) to get 2x oversampled "better/best" 2k (1080p)
and
8k (4320p) to get 2x oversampled "better/best" 4k (2160p)

then, ideally, one needs:
16k (8640p) to get 2x oversampled "better/best" 8k (4320p)

etc

it never ends?
right?

1 week ago
aris14
aris14

Rumors say that JVC's implementation will offer 12k with Ai auto-crop to 8k, Dolby 11.1 sound recording and a sealed on-board espresso machine with dehumidifier included. All those are rather of secondary priority due to the fact that JVC's baby will show all athletes naked thanks to Crypton planet's technology discovered in an abandoned telephone booth in Area 51.

1 week ago
LFPCPH
LFPCPH

:-)

1 week ago
Weerterbos
Weerterbos

No unicorn detection? Fail.

1 week ago
MrBrightSide

That seems about average for a broadcast camera. The headline is a little misleading because the implication is that this is an outrageous price.

1 week ago
Häakon

The headline says "Sharp's new 8K camera is $77,000." How is that misleading or implying anything?

1 week ago
techjedi
techjedi

@Häakon When the price is the conclusion of the headline it implies that the point of the article is the price, not the camera itself. The title should have been "First look at Sharp's new 8K camera."

1 week ago*
Hinder

What, no 4K? Forget it.

1 week ago
EthanP99

Canon just came out with 1080 60p!!

1 week ago
photomedium

JACS,
yeah, what is that? 120 mega schpixels

1 week ago
ozturert

Canon had a 4K camera for about $10000 (if I remember correctly) called 1Dc. That had and still has excellent 4K footage (and 1080p @60fps :) ).
Canon unfortunately thinks 4K is still for professionals. They are mostly right though due to storage, transfer and CUP bottlenecks.

1 week ago
fatdeeman

Ah yes the 1Dx with a firmware update and a heatsink who's existence is highly debated and never proven.

I still don't know how to reconcile Canon claiming the camera is different on a hardware level but also claiming they will "bring the might of their legal team" against anyone who attempts convert a 1dx to a 1dc using firmware. How could they sue anyone if it's not possible to do?

1 week ago
Ebrahim Saadawi
Ebrahim Saadawi

"bring the might of their legal team" against anyone who attempts convert a 1dx to a 1dc using firmware. How could they sue anyone if it's not possible to do?"

That was just never stated by Canon at all. Just rumor sites. The 1DC does have tweaked hardware.

(Though the 1DX does have more video potential with ML, at least 2K Raw 14bit 444 FF video is proven to be very easy no to mention freaking peaking. ML port to a 1DC would actually be awesome!)

1 week ago
fatdeeman

"That was just never stated by Canon at all. Just rumor sites. The 1DC does have tweaked hardware."

Just a coincidence that Magic Lantern wouldn't touch the camera with a stick which is still a unique occurrence.

"We won't do it.

I'd go as far as excluding from ML community any developer who would try to do something like this."

Same with the magical disappearing articles that directly quoted Canon Europe confirming the hardware was identical.

https://www.eoshd.com/content/9044/exclusive-canon-confirm-1d-c-4k-dslr-is-same-hardware-as-the-1d-x

1 week ago
Ebrahim Saadawi
Ebrahim Saadawi

EOSHD canon conspiracies. I love em.

Again: It was never proven or even made clear at any point, from any Canon source.

ML do not play with the 1DX just because they're very expensive cameras for that hacking community, at their days. Even Alex stated that 1DXs are very few to make a whole thing for AND "fire the even incredibly MINOR likelihood that some rumors are true".

Canon can easily shut ML if they wanted. So they don't want to confront them even 1%، We've lived these days by night compiling ports on ML years back.

(BTW the Canon Rep information was removed due to inaccuracy. The 1DC has different hardware compared to the 1DX, period. Even if its the tethering socket vs the headphone jack, saying otherwise isn't an accurate Canon Rep response thus removed. For his sake. It also has a thicker fan-shaped heatsink behind the sensor module)

1 week ago
EthanP99

Canon just came out woth 1080 60p!!

1 week ago
RedFox88

Many people, included, have skipped 4K. I'll wait for 8k. My HD plasmas ar great

1 week ago
WilliamJ
WilliamJ

Exactly the same here. My Panasonic plasma TV set still does it nicely, no need to hurry.

1 week ago
EwanMC

Yep, still rocking my 54'' Panasonic plasma. 1080P BluRays still look awesome.

Just a pity they stopped making the world's largest plasma (in 4K), the Panasonic TH-152UX1W:

https://images.cdn.whathifi.com/sites/whathifi.com/files/styles/big-image/public/brands/panasonic_152-inch-plasma.jpg?itok=dOYkkqZN

1 week ago
WilliamJ
WilliamJ

In other words, two thumbs up to you, Panasonic. And a question: why the heck did you gave up producing plasma Tv ?

1 week ago
zzzxtreme
zzzxtreme

Maybe plasma profit margin is less than lcd

1 week ago
Yxa
Yxa

Rocking HD plasma and Canon cameras that figures

1 week ago
Ebrahim Saadawi
Ebrahim Saadawi

Yup rocking my Plasma HD here at 51". Just can't a reason to update size or IQ, it's topped out for. Incredibly large and sharp.

1 week ago
Richmondthefish

I have a Panasonic plasma too and no doubt it's still very good but guys the newest crop of 4K OLEDs(and LCDs) are going to kick the butt of your plasma's butt when they are hooked up to a UHD bluray especially sourced from a 4k DI. Across the board I've seen guys who had top of the line plasmas like the 9th gen Kuros admit that the tech has surpassed plasma.

1 week ago
Ebrahim Saadawi
Ebrahim Saadawi

I don't know much about TV but fairly experienced with video grading monitors (Eizos, newest Dells, that nice 27" retina) and For some reason my Plasma TV just looks better and more natural than new LED/OLED televisions. After a few in-app calibrations I can get it dead close to the Eizo here.

There's something about Plasma TVs image quality, even for viewing just still photographs, that I can't exactly put my hand on

It's like a Canon image vs a Sony. Yes technically inferior but, you know, richer.

No new UHD plasmas I suppose.

The first worthy step I saw beyond my 51 HD plasma was an 84 LG UHD. Anything in between I am not really interested at all in a television.

1 week ago
WilliamJ
WilliamJ

"more natural" : you said the magic word, Ebrahim ! Crispiness and contrasts are not enough as we can see in photography. Why do people love so much the Fujifilm beasts ? Because of the crispiness and the amount of details fixed in a single image ? No, they love the Fuji-touch, its ability to render atmospheres, almost the analogic feeling. Plasma offers something like this, that's all that has to be known.

1 week ago
David610

The real cost will be the lenses. 8K on a Super 35mm sensor requires over 150 lpm. I agree with earlier comments that 8K will primarily be about over sampling of the image. The resulting 4K distributed material will be much sharper.

1 week ago
Mike Griffin

I want to see a shootout with an iPhone X :))

1 week ago
WilliamJ
WilliamJ

A shout out you shall see plenty !

1 week ago
NDT0001

Oh boy here we go again with the myopic comments. Its not made to compete with production cameras like Red and Alexa, although it has the capacity, its primarily a broadcast camera made specifically for the upcoming 2020 Japan Olympics which has been committed to broadcasting in 8k.

1 week ago
User3397642960

And the extra ‘meat’ will enable zooming in for closeups via editing—a perfect sports cam!

1 week ago
rsf3127

High-quality portable cameras are amazing or a curse depending on who is using them. I am pretty sure that this kind of camera will make its way to Hollywood.
Since the Bourne Supremacy trilogy we have seen more and more directors using the handheld cameras to film their action scenes.
I just hope that good judgment prevails and we don't have more of the crazy cut action scenes done with a shaky camera like Black Panther and Transformers.
The Last Action Movie starred by Charlize Theron and the last movie starred by Keanu Reeves shows how skillfully a handheld camera can be used to film action .

1 week ago
cdembrey

Arri makes a handheld digital cinema camera (Alexa and Alexa Mini) that Hollywood has been using for several years. The first Arri digital camera (D21) was handhold-able just like 35mm Arri film cameras going back to the 1930s. The French New Wave films were made with handheld Eclair CM3.

Here a shot from 1942 of a German using a 35mm Arri http://photogrvphy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/world-war-ii-in-color-08.jpg

Stanly Kubrick handholding a 35mm Arri, A Clockwork Orange https://theredlist.com/media/database/films/cinema/1970_1/a-clockwork-orange-/019-a-clockwork-orange-theredlist.jpg

French Director Jean-Luc Godard and DoP Raoul Coutard with Eclair CM3 http://www.filmsoundsweden.se/voxbilder/filmhist/cameflex/cameflex-godard.jpg

French Director Claude LeLouch handholding an Arri 35BL http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/368852d5ce784871b5425aeb58a9c041/la-bonne-annee-year-1973-france-italy-director-claude-lelouch-claude-j3df7m.jpg

1 week ago
zodiacfml

I'd rather see 4K@120fps with HDR than this.

1 week ago
photoaddict

But where are 8K TVs?

1 week ago
mosc

They exist at similar money to this. They do exist and will become exponentially more common.

Though I tend to feel content should exceed the resolution of the screen and for a TV taking up <20 degrees of your field of view more than 4K is easy to show as irrelevant.

Video is reaching audio levels of specification. You record with more fidelity than you intend to output and your output still has more fidelity than the human ear can discern. Mattering on the application, the equivalent video numbers can be calculated but lets not pretend there aren't advantages to collecting more resolution than the output format you intend to supply just as you capture audio at sampling rates higher than a human can hear.

1 week ago*
MichailK

don’t forget the multiple intermediate process stages that rob resolution and having extra to begin with can provide much flexibility - or the equipment has become strong enough to handle raw-type video streams?

1 week ago
mosc

People have long complained about the color of the brayer sensor dropping behind the spacial resolution. Downsampling leads to better colors as well as reducing noise and many other positives. If your end result is 4K content, recording in 8K is always going to be a huge advantage.

1 week ago
Dr Blackjack

This is being developed for the olympics. You know, the one where footage remains relevant for decades.

1 week ago
Ebrahim Saadawi
Ebrahim Saadawi

Wow this is coming out of no where! Sharp? Who's next, LG?

These are some impressive specs and impressive ergonomics/design plus all the bells and whistles industrial filmmakers want, they even offer a streamlined workflow with that 2TB SSD (40mins is lovely really).

Just need to see how the image quality stacks up against the Weapon and even the 4K C700 and Alexa, and Varicam.

Filmmakers are more interested in the "Look" of the sensor rather than most photographers so this should be a viable rival to the 3.2K Alexa.

1 week ago
RayVagh

I have a Sharp VL-NZ100U and had several Sony, Panasonic Digital camcorders. This Sharp camcorder was my favorite camcorder, I love the ergonomic and its big LCD screen. Sharp & JVC video department are still alive while Nikon closed its video department in the '90.

1 week ago
FLruckas
FLruckas

Who's next?
Nikon....
Not!!!!
:=)

1 week ago*
Ebrahim Saadawi
Ebrahim Saadawi

Nikon closed a video department in the 90's? I always though they never had any video departments or ventures. I thought they just tried an 8mm film camera or something in the ancient past.

I honestly think they have the technology and ability to compete with the Canon Cinema Line, just not the guts to risk doing something new in fear of stock owners.

If they fan-cool a D850/D5 sensor for a full sensor read-out and design a video friendly body with a rotating grip and a top LCD, couple of XLRs, Nikon FLAT, a S35 mode, an established F mount, they can even make money re-housing some of the Nikkor primes for cinema. That's a big hit to a C100/200 right there. Why not? Why so afraid?

1 week ago
Zoom Zoom Zoom

There will be 700 bucks mobile phones next year shooting 8K and just about all cameras the year after. Sharp better hurry selling lots of these quickly while they have the leverage..

1 week ago
Revenant

You're talking about consumer devices with a completely different target market.

1 week ago
Dheorl

Sure, they'll put it in an 8k package to impress consumers, but I doubt they'll have the resolution of this.

1 week ago
FrancoD

I'm looking forward to a 16k SmartWatch.

1 week ago
MichailK

apple will be selling eyes upgrades along that

1 week ago
Boissez

$77.000 and it's not even full frame? How are the studios supposed to achieve anything with that turd? /s

1 week ago
Mark Turney
Mark Turney

I ordered two 😉.

1 week ago
JEROME NOLAS

But you will have to wait 2 years, I ordered all cameras for my porno studios!!!

1 week ago
VictorTrasvina
VictorTrasvina

@Jerome Nola’s That’s not necessarily far from reality, Hollywood releases roughly 600 movies and makes $10 billion in profit a year, Porn industry? 13,000 films and close to $15 billion in profit, granted the artistic value it’s nowhere near the same but their need for equipment still there

1 week ago
Franz Weber
Franz Weber

But porns are not recorded in 8K. There are hardly any in 4K and only few in 1080p. Morst of them are still available in low DVD or VHS quality.
But I am not an expert because I have not seen a single one.😀

1 week ago*
Mark Turney
Mark Turney

Not sure I’d want to see porn in 8k. Gotta leave something to the imagination 🤔.

1 week ago
VictorTrasvina
VictorTrasvina

You guys realize that the exact same thing was just said like yesterday about pretty much everything right? 24 megapixels? Why?? 16mp its all everybody needs! 1080p what?? We just bought a 720p TV yesterday! While I agree that 4K its a pain in the ass to post process, takes too much storage, hard to compress, etc, etc, its all the younger generation knows nowadays so 2 or 3 years from now 8K would be the new “standard"

1 week ago*
Archiver

@FranzWeber - higher quality cameras are making their way into adult entertainment more and more, with the falling prices of consumer 4K and creators becoming more interested in technology and lighting. Recent content at Tiny 4K is shot with the Sony AX100. Pierre Woodman now shoots in 4K, and has been experimenting with cameras like the Sony A7S II. The director at Tushy and Blacked shoots with RED Epics, and some years ago, bigger budget adult films like Pirates were shot on RED by Digital Playground. Lower end multi-cam content is shot on a mixture of Canon DSLR and camcorder in 1080p, and a lot of content has been shot on the Canon 5D Mark II and III over the years.

1 week ago*
MichailK

I guess bigger is better in that business

1 week ago
Ebrahim Saadawi
Ebrahim Saadawi

That specific industry relies on Full Auto Camcorder-style video cameras, with small sensors, auto focus and auto exposure and a tilt screen, built in microphone.

In HD Canon took a big chunk with their Vixia and low-end XF camcorders, but Sony even more so with their flood of reliable tiny auto HD camcorders.

Most of 4K porn producers are specifically going for the Sony AX100 now, they love it. Don't ask me how I know that.

1 week ago
MichailK

knowledge from the ... inside :-)

1 week ago
Tommi K1

"All those features don't come cheap, though. With a price tag of $77,000 the 8C-B60A will be out of reach for enthusiasts and pro-sumers but it will help big broadcasters and proucers drive 8K and help manufacturers, such as Sharp, push the sales figures for 8K displays."

This is the problem of the DPR. Everything in price is counted like from the standpoint of the hobbyist who between few years puts about 800€ to new camera gear.

Like look at the PhaseOne monochrome thread about its price, people just whining "Oh, no one is going to buy it!" and yet professionals go and buy.

Same thing is there, that 77 000€ is dirty cheap for that camera and who gets the broadcast rights will buy a few dozens of those cameras because every single camera will pay itself back folded multiple times.

You don't do business by being cheap, you invest big money and you will make it many times over. That is how the business is done, not by whining "Oh, that body is 2000€ for so tiny sensor!"

1 week ago
marcio_napoli

Bingo. That's someone who actually gets it.

1 week ago
Shlomo Goldwasser

Im curious when the push for 4k is going to happen first? 8k is maybe for 2035. And 2050 for Canon.

1 week ago
celestialemissary
celestialemissary

Not in Japan...

1 week ago
FLruckas
FLruckas

Put a red dot on it....
Lots of DPRers will be interested.....
Price is irrelevant.....
:=)

1 week ago
Astrotripper

10-bit 8K at 60fps, holy cow! No wonder it needs custom made 2TB SSD :-)

1 week ago
Tons o Glass 0 Class
Tons o Glass 0 Class

2TB for 40 minutes of video... That's like 6900 mbps. Holy cow!

Is the rest of the industry even ready to handle the sheer amount of data that this thing is capable of spewing out?

1 week ago
nachos

Transcode to lower res for editing. Still a lot less complicated than it used to be before non-linear editing became the norm.

1 week ago
peterwr

Not bad. That's about what the Sony standard-def Digital Betacam camera cost when it came out back in the late '80s. Lord knows what that would be in today's money. ;-)

1 week ago
jayliu

$153,514.24

1 week ago
IamJF

Looord?
:-)

1 week ago
justmeMN

"...undoubtedly be deployed at the 2020 Tokyo Olympics." -DPR

2020 should be a great year for high-end cameras of all types. Camera companies are going to want to show off their "best stuff".

1 week ago
osv

"camcorder"? lol, no.

1 week ago
makofoto

Just so you know, the Arri Alexa Family of Cameras is basically in the $70K Range. That is the most popular pro digital movie camera for production work, movies, TV and commercials. It’s been used for virtually every Oscar Best Picture and Best Cinematography nominated movie since we started using digital. It’s only 3.2K ! ... but has great color depth and skin tones. Prime lenses typically are in the $3k to $10k Range, each. The best zooms, Fujinon Premiers, Are in the $60 to $80+K range ...

1 week ago
FelixC2013

So the Red Camera seems like a bargain now. Astro had been a big mover for test equipment for the 4K market, interesting they are branching out.

For the non technical peeps, to go from 4K30 to 4K60 required a doubling of the data rate. 8K60 has a data rate four times bigger than 4K60, which is a huge technical achievement. Current state of the art components struggle to do 4K60 now.

1 week ago
dwalby

yeah, its going to be interesting to see how 8k plays out. Given the huge bandwidth required to stream it, the practicality of it is questionable. Considering that most TVs on the store shelves today are 4k, yet DirecTV has only a few channels broadcast in 4k, the chances of live broadcast 8k would seem pretty slim. You can advance the camera/display technology much faster than you can figure out how to distribute the content to the masses. Better compression can help, but its going to be an uphill battle for sure.

1 week ago
LEGACYMOMENTSPHOTOGRAPHY
LEGACYMOMENTSPHOTOGRAPHY

People talk about 4k on smart phones etc... But is a compact cheap stills 20mp the same as a full frame 20mp. 4k on my phone is crapper vs my Eos M HD!

1 week ago
Michael Stubbs

I thought 8k was when there was no difference to discern from 4k due to the fact nobody would have a TV big enough and sit near enough to notice...

1 week ago
LEGACYMOMENTSPHOTOGRAPHY
LEGACYMOMENTSPHOTOGRAPHY

Just like the mega pixel race.....

1 week ago
The Davinator
The Davinator

When I saw an 8K broadcast sample in a shop in Tokyo, you could see the difference between it and 4K without a problem

1 week ago
Thematic
Thematic

In a sports environment like the Olympics, 8K will give users tremendous post production recomposing abilities. Highlight reals and promo videos will be incredible.

Remember that often times these cameras are planted in one location with one lens.....8K can create multiple "looks" from the same vantage point.

1 week ago
FLruckas
FLruckas

What else did you see in Tokyo?
:=)

1 week ago
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