Tokina reveals updated 2020 lens roadmap with new lenses for DSLR, mirrorless cameras

Leica heard you and has a bunch of 75mm lenses :)

Mar 9, 2020permalink

QuietOC

Samyang heard you: https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/smayang-will-announce-the-new-75mm-f-1-8-fe-prime-lens-on-april-20/

Apr 18, 2020permalink

jjz2

That lens is perfect for what I want but I shoot fuji, not sure they will bring it out.

Apr 18, 2020permalink

Nicolas Alexander Otto

Good news for Prime Lens folks! Nothing for me personally, but more competition is always good for consumers.

Mar 8, 2020permalink

Johans81

A question, i domt know anyole that buys Tokina lenses and looking on the forums people dont even talk About then like they do About sigma and tamron lenses. My guess is that they dont sell that many lenses, are their biggest momeymaker (when it comes to lenses) making lenses for other brands?

Mar 8, 2020permalink

hikerdoc

You are likely correct. Think of the Tokina Opera line of lenses. You heard a little initial hype regarding the 50mm Pentax labelled version, but literal silence regarding other mounts with the Tokina label. The talk of the 85mm version has likewise gone cold. It seems their own label lenses arrive well after others have saturated the third party market at any particular focal range. Tough, tough market, but Sony seems a safer bet, and many clamor for reasonably priced Fuji mount lenses.

Mar 8, 2020*permalink

Johans81

Yeah I think Tokina should change their plans. Both sigma snd tamron id not cheap anymore (welll cheap sgsinst narige lense)z maybe try to go under their prices with cheap but good 1.8 lenses. Maybe djup weather Sealing and cheaper materials. Like a good 85mm 1.8 lens for 400 dollars

Mar 8, 2020permalink

WastingTime

Yep. They came late and copied the Sigma look a little too faithfully. At least Tamron was a little faster.

Mar 10, 2020permalink

wootpile

Happy days for the Fuji crowd!

Mar 8, 2020permalink

zakaria

I have their renew macro lens for Nikon. It is still screw drive lens. so be careful it will not work on Z system via adapter " only Manual focus ".
Though it is very capable lens on F mount.
excellent build quality and razor sharp with a lot of details and contrast.

Mar 8, 2020permalink

Peter von Reichenberg

Great news - for Fuji users. Nothing for a Sony user - similar lenses for APSC are already here from Sigma and same FF lenses are here from Sony...and more.
Tokina, do you hear me? Listen - isn't it better to bring a glass which we MISS IN THE MARKET? What about 105/1,8? Or 135/2? And now - listen carefuly: did you notice the insanity of old manual lenses in last decade? People use vintage lenses with many optical faults - for their character, for their bokeh. Imagine somebody would bring such lenses with AF - can you imagine the success? We don't need another steril lenses. We have all of them already. We need something special - lenses with character. Last modern AF lenses with such performance have Sony Zeiss badge. Don't you think there is some room in the market? Please.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

Photodog2

Don't forget Zeiss Batis. And they came out with a 40/2 w/c is not common but a very useful FL. I agree with you that Tokina sd try for this market for modern AF with character rendering but a lower price point. My old Tokina 28mm manual is one of my favorite character lenses and of course the legendary bokina.

Mar 8, 2020*permalink

aarif

56 1.4 hope it's FF

Mar 7, 2020permalink

Old Cameras

Clearly indicated as aps-c

Mar 9, 2020permalink

aarif

oh no

Mar 9, 2020permalink

Mateus1

It seems they will be quite big... I would rather welcome smaller f/2 primes: 16/2, 23/2, 32/2, 55/2 + 90/2.8. Hope Tamron will bring them in the future. I do not like Fujis 23/2 which actually is wider - closer to 32mm in FF equivalent.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

Bobby Supardi

As Fuji user, this is great news. Viltrox promised to release theirs on dec 2019, but there are no news/rumours about viltrox keeping their promised.

i hope these standard focal sell well, so they (viltrox/tokina) can create 14mm f1.4/1.8. Fuji 14mm is expensive and slow.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

HatWearingFool

They said they were delayed until March 31. But that was before the virus, so it’s anyone’s guess at this point (probably why they haven’t updated yet).

Mar 9, 2020permalink

Ziginox

I can't wait to see how the Tokina 33mm and 56mm 1.4 stack up to the Sigma 30mm and 56mm 1.4! I've always had a soft spot for Tokina, and I hope they can deliver something competitive!

Mar 7, 2020permalink

Photodog2

Tokina is my favorite 3rd party as I have lenses from 1970s to today from them that have been impressive optically and well-built. Their macros in particular. If you compare old legacy lenses, you'll find more Tokinas still going today than Sigmas or Tamrons from the same era. Sigma had a reputation of being a bit flimsy. Zeiss is what I like best but is less affordable and sometimes too serious.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

Ziginox

I can confirm. I have an OM-mount Vivitar-branded 70-210 f/3.5 that I loved, ended up using it on my NEX-6 for a good long while. Super solid lens, and it produced great images.

Mar 8, 2020permalink

NotAPhotog

I'm happy to see that Fujifilm is finally getting third-party AUTOFOCUS lenses along with the likes of Viltrox. Sony had the Sigma f1.4 primes for E-mount which were significantly cheaper than the XF f/1.4 primes.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

ms18

I bought Fuji for their APS-C dedicated fast primes. Now we have this goodness for Sony APS-C as well. Now Fuji users will have affordable option as well.

Why EOS-M and Nikon Z (APS-C) forsaken?

Mar 7, 2020*permalink

Small number of users. Plus reverse engineering.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

John C Tharp

Sigma has brought their lenses to EOS-M; Nikon Z DX will surely follow. Both of these mounts can use the same protocols as their DSLR counterparts.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

wootpile

Because EOS-M has a battery problem. If Canon would get their heads out of the sand and deliver a model with good battery life, EOS-M would gobble up a decent amount of market share from day 1. Let's see what the M60 or 70 offers

Mar 8, 2020*permalink

jrmcvey

Micro 4/3 is also left out.

Mar 9, 2020permalink

CaMeRa QuEsT

I am very interested in seeing what kind of optical formula Viltrox (yeah, let's call it by its real name) will come up with for the 35mm f1.8 lens. To date, they only have used aspherics on their 20mm f1.8, and then only one element in it. Here's hoping the 35mm f1.8 will not have any aspherics for onion ring-less bokeh circles and below $350 ebay prices!

Mar 7, 2020permalink

The viltrox lenses are only the apsc ones. I think the 35mm format lenses will be designed and made by tokina only. If so then expect some hefty prices. I would wager at least $600 for the 35mm and maybe $450 for the 50mm. Will be happier with cheaper though.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

4sofnature

Sony E mount is still third party's favorite lens mount.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

Easy to figure out why. No need to reverse engineer and they have both apsc and 35mm formats as well on the same mount.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

When third party manufacturers make lenses for any of brand, that brand became more popular.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

Sounds like simple logic, but Canon/Nikon/Fuji don't get it.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

its not logic, its a fact, based on sales of Tamron, Tokina and other third party lenses for Canon or Nikon DSLR, including many great and cheap lenses. Without third party lenses we have just one choice - buy just expensive lenses, but its not easy for many customers, or even impossible. Except it there are many really great lenses by third party manufacturers, better or far better then original lenses, its also fact and not simple logic. Zeiss, Voigtlander, Some top lenses by Samyang, many cinema lenses, etc.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

While I don't really want to argue about the difference between fact & logic, what do you suppose the reasons are behind Canon / Nikon not openly supporting 3rd party lenses.

If it really is a fact that their products would become more popular, then surely the conclusion is that they hate selling products.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

Popular or not popular how we can decide? If companies still now working and developing their products, if they sales many of them, its mean they are popular, right? If we see that products around us often, or even use it in our work, its also means they are popular, right? If you see their products in online or real shops, its mean someone buy them and they are popular, right? Otherwise today there will be no Tamron, Tokina, Voigtlander, Carl Zeiss, Samyang, Laowa, Viltrox, Irix and some others. I use Nikon lenses and Canon lenses too, but also use one great lens by Tokina and will be happy to use some Zeiss and Voigtlander lenses... Also, sometimes third party lenses are not just better then originals, but also much expensive, for example, Carl Zeiss lenses, another example, Samyang 50mm F1.4 UMC manual lens without any electronic contacts cost same or more then Canon 50mm F1.4 USM, very interesting, right?

Mar 7, 2020*permalink

Yes, if there s third party support for a system more people do decide to enter that systems and more cameras are sold. But manufacturer do not only make money with cameras but also lenses. Those customers who did not join a system because of limited third party support are unlikely to spend their money on the OEM lenses and in addition the other buyers who would have been willing to buy only OEM lenses may purchase some third party lenses too.

The logic is simple. By opening up its mount, a manufacturer may sell more cameras but will definitely loose sales on lenses. There market research likely tells them that they lose more an lenses than benefit from higher camera sales.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

Some statistic shows one interesting thing: if someone can't buy some 1000 USD lens, and there will be no other same lens for cheaper price, that someone will anyway doesn't buy that 1000 lens, and reason is simple - its our of budget of that someone. Its means, the sales of third party lenses in fact very few impact the sales of original lenses, its also means without third party lenses even camera sales will be less. Out of budget - this is not something small, this is all for buyers. I want to buy many lenses, but have not money even for some third party lenses, then nothing, stay without them. And probably many other potential buyers will be same as me, this is very easy to understand I think.

Mar 8, 2020permalink

Irakly Shanidze

No L-mount again... I wish Tokina were a member of L-Alliance instead of Sigma.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

hikerdoc

Tokina probably has a far larger market potential in targeting Sony and Fuji, as well as some residual support for Canon and Nikon, than in the SL market producing lenses for just Sigma, Panasonic, and Leica cameras with a combined market share of a few percent. Even Sigma has directed their most recent announcements at Sony users as well as the SL.

Mar 8, 2020permalink

Irakly Shanidze

Of course, it does. However, making L-mount lenses won't preclude Tokina from working with other manufacturers. That's the beauty of being a third-party lens manufacturer.

Mar 8, 2020permalink

hikerdoc

With Sigma being, for all practical purposes, a third party lensmaker rather than a camera producer like Panasonic and Leica do you think they would welcome another party with the same emphasis into their alliance?

Mar 8, 2020permalink

Irakly Shanidze

hardly

Mar 8, 2020permalink

Sergey Borachev

The most important news here is - Fuji X mount lenses from independent lens makers.

Mar 6, 2020*permalink

Kenneth Almquist

Is there any indication of whether these lenses are auto focus or manual focus?

Mar 6, 2020permalink

mxx

Surely autofocus, I would think.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Autofocus :)

Mar 7, 2020permalink

☹ I was really hoping for an announcement of more Opera lenses. Preferably with stabilization.

For APS-C Nikon F-mount, may as well go with the Tamron 10-24mm f3.5-4.5 VC instead of the Tokina 11-20mm.

Mar 6, 2020*permalink

Considering how incredibly sharp the Tokina is, and how mediocre that Tamron is, I'd say no; it's definitely worth it to get the Tokina 11-20 2.8 if you can afford it. An incredible optic. (And yes, I compared them myself, extensively, and the Tamron was one of the least sharp (at the edges/corners) of all APS-C ultra-wides... Tokinas were consistently the most sharp of all, too, including (if you're on a budget) the 12-28mm f/4...

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Hey Matthew, long time no talk! Thanks for your input again!

12mm is too long for this kind of lens. Even 10mm to 11mm is quite a difference.

I actually have 2 copies of the Tami 10-24mm f3.5-4.5 VC, as well as a Nikkor 10-24mm f3.5-4.5G. I was disappointed with my 1st Tami copy's bottom left corner smearing but was too lazy to return it. Then a mint version popped up on craigslist from a seller I've bought stuff from before for only $150(!!!), and I have to tell you, it is night-and-day better. So I can personally attest to substantial copy differences. I'm just going to hand off my 1st Tami copy to my gf, and I'm going to sell my Nikkor. The Nikkor has better IQ by a small bit, but the benefit of VC for me easily outweighs the slight Nikkor IQ advantage. Plus, the zoom and focus ring action is vastly superior on the Tamis. I have not tried any of the Tokina 11-16mm or 11-20mm lenses though. But they don't have VR, right? So kinda the IQ vs. VR trade-off again.

I like my Tamis! :)

Mar 7, 2020*permalink

Oh yeah, and while it's a total pain to have to do all the AFFT with every Tamron lens via the TAP-in console, after that tuning is done, AF gets nailed better than my Nikkors. So though it takes a bunch of time and is a pain to tune Tami zooms, after the tuning, they're really sweet. Nikon needs to come out with their version of a TAP-in console...

Mar 7, 2020permalink

Hi Aegon,

Indeed, if you want 10mm, then 11mm or 12mm is no substitute, especially since every mm counts 50% more on APS-C than it does on FF. If I did my math right... ;-)

I'm glad to know that a good copy of the Tamron can look good. I reviewed literally all of them, and then wound up waiting and getting the cheap, tiny, and not-perfect 10-20 AF-P VR DX. It's actually very impressive at 10mm when stopped down, a very good ultralight travel lens, though pretty terrible for manual focusing on stars since it's an f/4.5 lens at 10mm.

None of the Tokinas have stabilization, but that was never a problem for me since I was either always on a tripod, or f/2.8 was the added bump to shutter speed that I needed to hand-hold. But, if you don't need f/2.8 for astro-landscape work and sharp corners wide-open, then yeah, picking the lens that has the better other features/functions is the best decision.

Mar 8, 2020permalink

And, yes, I do like how Tamron (and Sigma) lenses these days have their own AF calibration system. The Nikon DX body that was my favorite travel landscape camera, the D5300, (built-in GPS!) didn't have AF micro-adjustment at all...

Mar 8, 2020permalink

Ah, yes, the D5300. I have a candy red one! Until the D6, the only DX or FX Nikon ILC to have built-in GPS. As ludicrous as that is...

I'll try to get some wide-open test shots (with no distortion or vignette correction done) from my good Tami 10-24mm posted to my gallery within the next week or so. I'm really impressed with the center sharpness close-up. Good color and contrast too.

It's pretty funny how just a few months ago i ridiculed Tamron mercilessly. And now my 45mm f1.8 VC pretty much lives on my D7500, with occasional appearances by my Tami 85mm f1.8 VC (despite both being FX lenses), and sometimes my 10-24mm VC. Seems the only Nikkor i shoot nowadays is my 70-200mm f2.8G VR2 on my D500 for events. But i haven't shot the Tami 70-200mm f2.8 G2 yet so i just might wind up with it too... 😉 What to do with all my 50mm and 85mm Nikkors, lol...

Mar 8, 2020*permalink

Oh, and i was going to get my gf the Nikkor 10-20mm VR but if I'm not mistaken, the mount is plastic. I was surprised how easily i broke one of my 18-55mm kit lenses at the plastic mount so i can't go that route ever again. Serendipitously having this superior copy super-inexpensive 2nd Tami 10-24mm fall into my lap is going to stoke my gf (since she gets to have the 1st one), but i too was pretty impressed with what that inexpensive little plastic 10-20mm can produce. It's a gift from Nikon that's going to open a whole new world of photography to the masses, and be a valuable tool as, like you say, a tiny and light ultrawide.

Mar 8, 2020*permalink

nnowak

Tokina really needs to repackage that 11-20mm f/2.8 in E and X mount.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

That's a lazy way to do things. I have never even considered any of the Sigma options that had a built in adapter. Would rather buy the Canon version and use a Metabones or Sigma adapter instead. Better option is to make use of the mirrorless tech to make native small UWA lenses.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

io_bg

By "repackage" I do hope you mean "redesign for short-flange mounts".

Mar 7, 2020permalink

camcom12

Great to see Tokina's focus on prime lenses for APS-C, picking up where the native manufacturers do not, other than Fujifilm.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

All the Apsc prime lenses are rebadged viltrox lenses

Mar 7, 2020permalink

fPrime

That 23mm f/1.4 would dominate if were released for Nikon F mount.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Since it's designed for short-flanged (= mirrorless) mounts, it won't.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

fPrime

I know. It's just sad that Fuji and Tokina will have an f/1.4 and Nikon have nothing of the sort for F mount.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

I'll settle for having more APS-C third-party options on Z and RF mounts, eventually.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Lan

That takes a certain amount of skill. They've announced nine new lenses (ignoring mount swaps), and none of them seem to do anything new? Could they at least try and produce something that we haven't seen ten times before?!

Sony already make equivalents of all three of the new Full Frame primes, and the Sony lenses aren't that unreasonably priced for the most part either. The Sony 50mm f1.8 is cheaper than this Tokina too...

Mar 6, 2020permalink

NetMage

The price for the 100mm Macro is certainly new.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

Lan

Tokina already make an AF 100mm Macro just under this price point. For an insignificant fraction more you could get a 2:1 Laowa or the Sigma OS; either of which would get you features that are more interesting or practical.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

AbrasiveReducer

An interesting dichotomy at work here. With these "roadmaps" the manufacturer is compelled to show their hand, months in advance, as a pre-emptive strategy to get consumers to hold off buying something else.

Meanwhile, the heads of these companies give "remarkably candid" interviews to DPR that say almost nothing that isn't obvious, or already known.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

PremiumBitter

Wow, what boring full frame E-mount glass lineup! Focal lengths that have existed on the mount for years and now have multiple models. Gives us something we don't already have, like an ultra-wide prime with AF. I vote 14/2.0

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Becksvart

35/1,8 hasn't existed for "years". The belated Sony FE 35/1.8 is dear, late and has uck bokeh wide open. If this is priced better, can focus reasonably well in dim lighting and has bokeh and mfd like the Canon EF 35/2 IS USM it might be a winner in my eyes.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

geekyrocketguy

Sigma makes a 14mm f/1.8.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

PremiumBitter

@geekrocketguy, but it's not a native mirrorless design and is absolutely enormous!

Mar 6, 2020permalink

AZheaven

I wish they would revamp their 100mm Macro. The DSLR version is highly rated. The Sony FE version doesn't seem to be getting much love. And why can't 3rd party manufactuers make an internal zoom with their macros?

Mar 6, 2020permalink

What you call "boring", the rest of the photography market calls "bread and butter". Sorry, but a 35, 50, and 85 prime are usually used to print money, so yeah, more options are always good. Especially if they're at all as sharp as Tokina is historically known for, they'll do very well against name-brand options as well as other third-party options...

Mar 6, 2020permalink

sportyaccordy

Now all that is needed is a decent 16-xx 2.8 crop zoom for these MILCs in the vein of the old Sigma/Tamron 17-50 2.8 SLR lenses. Just like with those, between E/X/EF-M and maybe even M43, I think the economy of scale and demand is there at the right price (under $500).

Mar 6, 2020permalink

yslee1

Yea, I wouldn't mind seeing the APS lenses on m4/3; the Viltrox were announced with a list price of US$250, so even at equivalent focal lengths of 46mm, 66mm and 112mm they'd still be very decent prices at useful focal lengths, provided they're good optically to begin with.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

camerosity

Nikon F mount but no Z mount. Sad!

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Z-mount doesn't have enough usership to justify offering Tokina Z mount lenses.

Mar 6, 2020*permalink

Unlike Canon RF, Nikon Z is a from-scratch mount protocol. It'll likely be a good long while before we see a ton of third-party AF options for Z.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Robert1950

Looks like the Nikon F DX offerings will not meet my needs, again

Mar 6, 2020permalink

tkbslc

Are any of these lenses needed for any of these mounts? Seems like Tokina could be a bit more creative.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

sportyaccordy

Sure. The 23 & 33 1.4 crop lenses are unique for Sony, and Fuji shooters have no budget prime options. I'm guessing the FF 35 1.8 will significantly undercut the Sony version on price, and *hopefully* the 50 1.8 will be similarly priced to the Sony version, but improve on AF and overall image quality.

With IBIS bodies all of those lenses are pretty compelling. All that's really needed to complete the Sony E/FE system are some decent and affordable 24-xx equivalent zooms.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

The 23 & 33 1.4 crop lenses aren't unique since those are rebranded Viltrox lenses.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

If the 50mm is better than the Sony but a similar price, well I better sell mine quick before the price drops lol.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

sportyaccordy

The Viltrox lenses don't exist yet. And for all we know they may change some things between the two. The Tokina lenses may get coatings the Viltrox lenses don't for example.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

Is there still a proper Tokina R&D? Lately they make do with revamping, rehousing and rebranding.

- atx-i 11-20mm f/2.8 CF = revamped AT-X 11-20mm f/2.8 Pro DX
- atx-m 23mm f/1.4 E/X = rebranded Viltrox AF 23mm f/1.4 E/XF
- atx-m 33mm f/1.4 E/X = rebranded Viltrox AF 33mm f/1.4 E/XF
- atx-m 56mm f/1.4 E/X = rebranded Viltrox AF 56mm f/1.4 E/XF

Previously:

- atx-m 85mm f/1.8 FE = rebranded Viltrox PFU RBMH 85mm f/1.8 STM
- atx-i 100mm f/2.8 FF Macro = revamped AT-X Pro 100mm f/2.8 Macro (optical formula patented by Pentax in 1987)
- atx-i 11-16mm f/2.8 CF = revamped AT-X Pro 11-16mm f/2.8 DX / DX II
- FíRIN 100mm f/2.8 FE AF Macro = rehoused AT-X Pro 100mm f/2.8 Macro (optical formula patented by Pentax in 1987)
- opera 16-28mm f/2.8 FF = revamped AT-X 16-28mm f/2.8 Pro FX
- opera 50mm f/1.4 FF = rebranded HD Pentax-D FA★ 50mm f/1.4 SDM AW
- FíRIN 20mm f/2 FE AF = autofocus version of the FíRIN 20mm f/2 FE MF, the latest original Tokina lens, which was announced at Photokina 2016.

Mar 6, 2020*permalink

Mar 6, 2020*permalink

entoman

Viltrox is a Chinese brand, isn't it?

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Yes: Viltrox is a trademark used by Shenzhen Jueying Technology Co., Ltd, a Chinese company based in Shenzhen.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

entoman

So do Tokina actually manufacture anything themselves?
Or are they just a rebranding operator these days?

I'm not criticising any of the companies involved, just wondering...

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Tokina do manufacture lenses. Are they developing new ones by themselves? That's hard to say.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Considering that Tokina has been around for decades, and that Viltrox looks suspiciously like just another rip-off brand, I'm surprised that we're not asking the opposite question: Is Viltrox developing lenses by themselves, or getting them from somewhere else?

(I'm not saying that Tokina didn't just source these lenses from another random Shenzhen factory, as innumerable other brands have done for all kinds of products, I'm just honestly asking if anybody knows more info...)

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Hopefully the Tokina FE 35mm f1.8 will be better than the new Sony equivalent, which was an overpriced disappointment.

Den

Mar 6, 2020permalink

EthanP99

proof?

Mar 6, 2020permalink

LOL, the Sony 35 1.8 was ranked as one of the sharpest 35mm's ever made, at least in the center, and overall is a very solid optic.

Sorry if you associate the number "1.8" with mediocrity by default; that's your loss! I actually used it a bunch, and found it to be impressive.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

pollup

599 euro, I'd say great value for the money.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Mathew,
By whom?
Den

Mar 7, 2020permalink

Pollup,
Most threads I've read on DPR suggest it's overpriced.
Den

Mar 7, 2020permalink

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2019/08/some-new-wide-angle-lens-mtf-tests-sony-24mm-f1-4-gm-sony-35mm-f1-8-tamron-35mm-f1-4-sp/

Ethan,
I've tested it myself, if you want proof, look at the edges and corners for smearing at wider apertures. It's an average performing lens at best, with terrible LoCa and Coma, and high vignetting (2 stops even @ f8).
Den

Mar 7, 2020*permalink

EthanP99

Mar 7, 2020permalink

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4420276?page=2

Ethan,
Central sharpness isn't everything.
I posted example images to substantiate my opinion in this thread a couple of months ago:

Den

Mar 7, 2020*permalink

Condiments

The Sony 35 1.8 was a disappointment to me. Sure it was sharp in the center, but the CA's were horrible and it just didn't meet my expectations for a $750 lens. I sold it and purchased the Sigma Art 1.4 for $100 less. Sharpness isn't everything....

Mar 7, 2020permalink

Yeah, I'm waiting for this Tokina, let's see what it's made of.

Mar 8, 2020permalink

Jonathan Mac

Finally - third party fast prime support for Fujifilm X!

I think I might have to put all lens funds on hold until these come out.

Mar 6, 2020*permalink

DarnGoodPhotos

Don't forget the already announced fast Viltrox AF lenses for Fuji.

Mar 6, 2020*permalink

RecklessCoding

I really hope that these Vitrox/Tokina AF lenses not only help to "open the gates" to further third-party support for the X mount, but also force Fuji to finally update their older f/1.4 lenses. They are optically great, but they could use the AF motors and WR found in Fuji's f/2 line.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

My guess is the Fuji will update those lenses soon (well, the 56 1.2 is more or less about to be updated if one considers the 50 1.0 to be an update).

Fuji announced at the last X-Summit that soon three new lenses will be added to the X-mount roadmap.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Gear_junkie

They won’t update them. It makes more sense to offer a new option that’s WR sealed and keep the other design. Now there are two NEW in box options to choose from rather than an older one that depreciates in price. Case in point 50mm f1,0. You’ll more than likely see a1,2 for the 35 range before you see a 35mm f1,4 mm, but who knows.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Gear_junkie

Sorry about all the typos. Phone life.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

yslee1

I don't think it's just an AF motor issue, but the way the optics are designed; they use older AF designs that involve moving a block of elements instead of a single small element.

Mar 7, 2020permalink

Wow, i am pleasently surprised to see lenses for Fuji X-mount on the roadmap. Now there are two third party lens makers which offer native AF lenses for X-mount. Ok, their offerings overlap, but it is to expected that all suppliers might target the "standard" lenses first.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

"It's unconfirmed at this time, but it's worth noting these lenses do bear a striking resemblance in looks and specs to a number of Viltrox lenses that have already been announced (and delayed)."

Ok, that might be the reason for the overlapping offers from Viltrox and Tokina. :-)

Note to myself: Next time, first read the full article and then comment. ;-)

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Foskito

Interested in see how the 23mm f1.4 compares with the Fuji 23mm 1.4. I already have the FujiCron but wouldn’t mind having that extra stop.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Sony San

I've always liked Tokina.

These will make for great lenses for Sony, Fuji, and the DSLRs

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Jeff Greenberg

=
Roadmaps.
Someone start a roadmap blog.
All roadmaps in one blog.
No rumors, no dashed hopes.
Just company-generated roadmaps.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

panther fan

Boring as hell

Mar 6, 2020permalink

entoman

Roadmaps exist only to dissuade people from switching to other brands, by offering a pseudo-hope of some desirable optic. Often the roadmaps are amended and the desired lens is removed. More often the lenses take longer to appear than the roadmaps imply.

And now coronavirus is interrupting supply of components. And some suppliers will undoubtedly go under, as the economy slows to a crawl, with the likelihood of a worldwide recession.

So, forget roadmaps. They are now pretty meaningless.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

fpessolano

The 11-20 would be interesting if it works with the z50

Mar 6, 2020permalink

camerosity

Did you try the Nikon 10-20mm DX?

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Giklab

Or the existing Tokina 11-20 which is the exact same lens and AFAIK works fine.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

fpessolano

I have been considering the 10-20, nice little lens.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

panther fan

The Tokina 85mm F1.8 is a rebranded Viltrox 85mm F1.8

So it is fair to assume the 23/33/56mm APS-C lenses are also just the rebranded Viltrox version.

The new Tokina/ Viltrox lenses on this roadmap are the 35/50mm for FF. Sadly they take a step back again and remove the aperture ring they introduced on their APS-C lenses

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Gannon Burgett

@panther fan: You beat me to the comment before I brought the update live, but I have made a little update to hint that these are very likely just VIltrox rebrands, not unlike the 85mm F1.8.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

panther fan

Another interesting information ist that the Viltrox lenses should have long be released, but the Covid-19 outbreak currently prevents that.
The factory (or more likely the workers) are under quarantine

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Foskito

I thought Viltrox was one-tier below Tokina in terms of build quality with the same glass. Not like Samyang-Rokinon that are exactly the same thing.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

fpessolano

This is surprising, I have one Viltrox and I truly like it. But I would have never expected tokina to rebrand viltrox lenses.

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Any chance both companies were involved in the design, or are these just Viltrox only?

Mar 6, 2020permalink

Photodog2

I think it is more likely that Tokina designed them because they have the experience and Viltrox builds them because they have the lower cost manufacturing. It is likely that Viltrox contracted the design to Tokina and Tokina said OK but you allocate some production to us. Since the Tokina retail pricing is higher, it could be the agreement lets them get the lenses from the same factory that pass a higher quality control standard. The Tokina lenses were introduced later because they wanted the factory to get up to speed in QC before releasing. These arrangements are not uncommon.

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