CP+ 2020 cancelled amid Coronavirus concerns

I think the bigger problem is that the Cornoavirus, last I checked, is that people can carry the virus but not know it for several days until symptoms start to show up. And I think the more concerning part about this virus is the lack of vaccine or if there is one, the supply compared to the demand is very low, so they can't keep up, not to mention some viruses, if not addressed quickly, can mutate and start to resist vaccines.

I think the biggest thing for the Coronavirus though is the rapid decline in health and higher risk of death which is what sets it apart from the regular flu. Not to mention vaccines are readily available for the regular flu.

@sirhawkeye64 ...which is not unlike flue and most virus infections. Get informed.

joke is that global media of propaganda want people in 4 corners of globe to be constantly scared of eveything they present as threat, so than, people are being introduced to saviors - local authorities, governments, global organisations, that are pushing for new solutions, new legislations, new vaccinations etc...
and people in general are always buying it, because people in overwheling part are just darn stupid.
And that is how a global form of electronic prison, govern by future general AI and help of army of robots and paid human traitors will rule this godless planet.
Go ahead and be scared.
Besides, who cares about an event that is in it's design, a poor show of rich toys for rich or aspiring to it, 'people'.
All they do with these toys is just chasing some sick dreams of being celebrated one way or the other.
it's mostly, very sinfull but not recegnised as such, so even more dangerous.
; )

ok, you are right, in the mean time I am grabbing my toy and getting out to capture some shots full of sin....

Thats fine, but, Memento Mori...

hey, isn’t that “valar morghulis” or so these days?

On the otherhand, compare it with the infection and mortality rates of Spanish Flu and it's a minor inconvenience. Over three years that infected approx. 27% of the global population and had a mortality rate of around 10%, but possibly as high as 20%.

Of course, the reason that might be the case is because of what is essentially a city-wide lockdown on Wuhan and many other areas brought in before it really got a chance to spread. Without accurate and verifiable figures from Wuhan of the infection and mortality rates it's kind of hard to tell just how seriously we ought to be taking it.

That said, I'm all for the containment efforts. While MWC, CP+, and probably many other events - possibly even the 2020 Olympics(!) - being cancelled is annoying for those concerned, it's absolutely preferrable to this becoming a true pandemic, regardless of how virulent it is.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control estimates that 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide die from the flu each year. That's significantly more than zero, and at least two orders of magnitude greater than the number who have died worldwide from COVID-19. And now that the standards for who has been infected with COVID-19 have been broadened, the COVID-19 mortality rate will plummet. This is not to diminish the seriousness of COVID-19, but to establish some facts for this discussion.

Yes, to say that the mortality rate of the flu is practically 0 is simply wrong. The flu is a potentially serious infection for the elderly, small children, or immunosuppressed people, and shouldn't be taken lightly.

Also most people who say 'just like the flu' either never have gotten the flu or have forgotten what it is like. They put cold and flu together all the time in the media but suffering a proper flu is night and day worse than suffering from an average cold. That's why we get vaccinated for it every year ffs.

@flowfriday

The 1918 influenza pandemic was the most severe pandemic in recent history. It was caused by an H1N1 virus with genes of avian origin. Although there is not universal consensus regarding where the virus originated, it spread worldwide during 1918-1919. In the United States, it was first identified in military personnel in spring 1918. It is estimated that about 500 million people or one-third of the world’s population became infected with this virus. The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States.

Medicine is much better now but the world is much more congested and travel much faster and more common .

Just sayin.

I've been to Photokina several times and it's definitely 10 times more fun than anything you've just mentioned

@GinoSVK: Agree. What is the point of 1000s of people travelling to a location where you know your rivals will all be, just to "announce" your product... even if it won't be in production for ages. It's so stupidly old fashioned and wasteful in this millennium. The corporations I have worked for all *hated* trade shows - very expensive, time-consuming, and they achieve virtually nothing. Far better to spend all that money on well-targeted advertising.

Just saying:

Dear underexposed59 (with deepest respect) and especially Iloveaicraftnoise and all the other ‚brain out, hysteria on-guys‘,

you are going to panic people instead of keeping calm and rational.
You should treat this theme seriously, because it is, but you don‘t do it.
Instead, you are ‚thinking‘ with emotions and by that bring yourself - and others (!) - in a restless condition. And people are not able to THINK, if they are in a restless condition (because they have to STOP, have to rest for being able to think...to reflect).
AND THIS IS DANGEROUS!
Why?
Because the longer people stay in this condition, the less they are human beings and the more they become/degrade themselves to animals.

What are the consequences?
I can tell you, what happens in Germany since several days and is growing:

Asian people are going to be socially stigmatized. More and more cases are reported (and documented). People in the subways, restaurants, lecture halls change their seat, if someone asian is taking a seat next to them...people don‘t want to be served/treated by Asians in stores...they change the side of the road.
Not because these Asians are sick or look sick, not because they are coughing, not because anything they have, but because what they are...Asians.
It doesn’t matter from which country they are, be Asian and you are done.
It doesn’t matter if you born in Germany or haven‘t been in Asia for years (or ever), you are done.
It doesn‘t matter if you are Asian at all, look like one and you are done.

You think, Corona is dangerous? This racist venom you inject in the society with irrational hysteria...THIS - and nothing else - is the REAL danger!

What comes next, if we don‘t think...forcing these people to leave the country?
Or put them in camps? In Germany we still have some of them...
Fear kills...first socially and then...it’s time to STOP AND THINK!

@Flow Friday
If you keep calm and rational, you may be able to learn more facts like the recent studies about what R0 seems to be. And then *you* may panic ;)

@GinoSVK. People like getting out and meeting others in their profession. People like showing their products to and meeting with the public. Meeting and greeting. It feels good. You can't get that feeling doing everything online.

If you didn't forget to mention the aliens and the Templar Knights, your comment would have been perfect.

What about Elvis? Isn't this all the proof we need that he's still alive?

😂😂 Yeah Soby is very important..

You silly little brand weeny. Go and play with your sony-wony

Burned everywhere on your body Pour water over it

This is the only way for fools like you

@Spectro - moving it "back to summer of 2011" might pose some difficulty, but I agree that it would be a way of avoiding the virus.

Hey, we can't cure the virus but we discovered time travel.

to continue Mauriuss's point, i think even the Olympics (a much more important and fun event nonetheless, and time travel possible or not) is one of the least important worries.
I'm quite sure the people in most affected regions in China right now don't even care or cross their minds to think about shows and sport events...

As with other flu-like diseases, hopefully this epidemic will subside as we enter springtime. If not, yeah, forget the Olympics. (Incidentally, as a Tokyo resident, I have always been against having the Olympics here at all. But this is a terrible pretext for cancelling it.)

It seems to be going the influenza route (American swine flu). So... eventually it will become a norm and we will normalize and live with it. 8.5k people died last year in the US from influenza.

I mean influenza is still around. It affects way more people that corona has, and killed loads more in a single year. So... this is just the latest scary thing, which is actually on par with what we already have.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

And remember, swine flu came from the US. It took the US 6 months before declaring it an emergency. No one closed boarders or treated the US like a pariah. The estimate puts deaths due to influenza to around half a billion since 2010 (12k-61k deaths annually).

Not trying to down play any of this of course. Just putting things into perspective. Of course if we can eradicate it we should. But it isn't like you can't contract another flu like virus that can kill you. Its just not in the spot light now.

@lawny13 - the difference is that for the others there is a vaccine, and known treatment. This being new, the vaccine is still months away, so at this very moment there is nothing much except quarantine and normal flu treatment. And because we don't really have a cure yet, it can get out of control quickly.

The deaths you quote (that happen in any country in the flu seasons due to flu) are mostly people that did not vaccinate and people that are having other medical conditions and the complications from the flu (high fever, pneumonia,etc) cause fatal complications, or people that do not seek medical help in time.

Yup. I'm a Type I diabetic - any serious illness is extra dangerous for me.

I don't worry about the flu because there's a vaccine and there is Tamiflu.

Side note - before someone says "well the vaccine isn't 100% effective" - The metrics for flu vaccine are pretty meh (and honestly, it's REALLY hard to come up with reliable metrics for stuff like this). If you get the flu, it counts as 0. If you don't get the flu when exposed, it counts towards 100%. The thing is - even if the vaccine reduced the severity or slowed the onset, it still counts as 0.

I credit an "only 60% effective that season" vaccine with slowing down the virus enough that Tamiflu was highly effective despite starting past the normal "48 hours after first symptoms" guideline. Which is damn near impossible to hit given that it takes that long to differentiate between flu and something lesser AND get a doctor appointment.

@badi

Like I said. I as talking about when swine flu hit. There was no vaccine for it then either. The response was less aggressive than what we are seeing with the coronavirus. I commend then for trying. But it is essentially another flu virus.

We can't out right get rid of the flu because it mutates too quickly.

Again. I am not trying to trivialize it. I am just point out that the hype and hysteria is a little out of proportion compared to our responses regarding similar events that happened before.

I have to say that it does seem to be more severe for sure. The mortality rate of influenza is about 0.1 % vs the 2% seen so far with the coronavirus. But considering that the amount of infected is very likely far larger than the estimated/confirmed numbers, i wouldn't be surprised if it was lower. Time will tell.

@evogt500 - what do you mean by saying China is responsible for "causing and spreading the virus"?

@Barty L. Coronavirus was first known in December from Wuhan, China from lack of sanitation and Hygiene at a local animal market. I have read that the people who live there eat raw chicken, bat and other animals which are considered not safe to eat raw in most other parts of the world. The Chinese government failed to listen to one of their own countrymen's doctors about the virus. That doctor later died from the same virus. Some think he may have been murdered (speculation only). Unsurprisingly, the Chinese government tried to censor the outbreak. RIP Dr. Li Wenliang. If they had listened, they could have quarantined affected patients much sooner. China is also being "generous" about the number of deaths. There are far more deaths than cited, partly because some have died outside the hospital/quarantine area.

@evogt500 - OK, that accords with the known facts as far as I understand them. I was concerned that you might be promulgating some sort of wild conspiracy 'theory' but your response makes it clear that you are not. Thanks for clarifying.

Really, there is no way it could have come from the military bio weapons lab near the market.

Regardless of how much truth there is to whether cultural/sanitary practices made things worse at the market - the Li Wenliang story is really all you need to know to make it clear that this outbreak is FAR worse than it would have been if the government hadn't tried to cover it up.

Not "eat raw chicken" but much more likely that Chinese buy regular raw meats and fish but also animals that Westerners are not accustomed to eating.

@evogt500 You read!? from social media !?

The outbreak was originated from a known wild animal meat trade market from animal to human tho contact, not eating raw meat. It's a well known fact that the like of SARS, MERS and now COVID-19 viruses transmitted from animal to human though contact.

BTW, It's not the Chinese custom to eat raw meats. You probably think of the Japanese.

@Entropy512: are you sure you do not read too much into the story of Wenliang? He was right — but we do not know yet whether he had enough evidence to convince ANYBODY!

With 100 physicians having 100 opinions, how would you choose between these opinions?! It MAY BE that the state did not react quick enough — but I do not think this should the conjecture no.1 to consider.

It makes a lot of sense to try to prevent panic until it is KNOWN that the reason is “really REAL”. See the disaster with (totally unneeded) evacuation after Fukushima…

@Daniel L. Who said anything about social media? And what do you think the people do with those animals at the meat market? Again, lack of sanitation and hygiene. Japanese are not the only people who eat raw meats.

From what I gather of the information i doubt that sanitary conditions would have prevented anything.

When it comes to a virus such as the flu transmission often occurs even in the most sanitary conditions (people coughing around you is enough to get you infected after all).

The source of the contagion seems to have originated from the pangolin. So unless they were actively breeding them, sanitary conditions would not influence transmission.

Animal to human transmittable deceases predominantly come about in situations where you have a higher chance of developing such a bug. Thing cows, pigs, chickens in large numbers in the situations they are bred (hygiene and sanitation) which increase their change of getting sick and us. And that is not what is done in china regarding the pangolin as far as I know.

Basically they messed up by importing and selling/eating this animal illegally.

Not that sanitation/hygiene isn't questionable at best in china.

Even for those who might believe money is everything there is a very strong motive to act to prevent the spread of the virus: dead business people don't do business, dead consumers don't spend, sick workers don't produce.

@Sergey Borachev. The Japanese government has tested the passengers of the cruise ship. That's why they are quarantined on the ship.

Corona is not more deadly than the regular flu. The world is is big Panic

@mortal lion - Flu does have a vaccine and antiviral treatments. There isn't for coronavirus.

I have never been vaccinated against flue yet a very rarely get it.

> Mortal Lion
> I have never been vaccinated against flue yet a very rarely get it.

That may be true, one of the main reasons you very rarely get flu is because *other people* have been vaccinated.

It’s called herd immunity

That is bs as in my country only the elderly are vaccinated. The flu is not measles.

My understanding is the unique nature of the Coronavirus is it provides a beeline to a particular strain of Pneumonia for which there is near no cure or significant treatment to slow it down. Hence the fatal nature of this particular flu. There is also NO cure for ANY flu. The viruses we have here in the U.S. are more so dependent upon the persons individual immune system strength. That dang Coronavirus goes right around the immune system right to pneumonia which is a fast track to death. Much like that Spanish Flu Pandemic that killed millions back in the 20th century

That is definitely part of it - flu has a higher total number of fatalities because it is SO much more widespread.

The case fatality rate of COVID-19 is still not quite determined, but appears to be well above 1%.

Compare to https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html - even ignoring the estimate of people who caught flu but didn't see a healthcare provider, the CFR of flu if you only count people who visited a provider (34,200 deaths out of 16.5 million healthcare provider visits) is approximately 0.2%.

Or another way of saying it is - if you catch COVID-19, you're at least 5 times more likely to die than flu.

While you can certainly do announcements and do Q&A via the internet, it doesn't allow you to touch and feel the product.

@thaddak - yes, that was the point. With these events most people don't get to do that either, so we just watch influencers and reviews doing it and read their impressions. From most people point of view, an event being physical or just online and sending a few samples to reviewers is exactly the same thing.

@shigzeo, well, why don't we just shut down all international trade. If your country don't make it, you won't be able to import it. Of course, you won't be able to export anything either. It'll be great. No need to have ships, planes, trucks, trains, moving to one country to another. I would love it. Of course, food, entertainment, tech, everything will have to be isolate within each country. Every country will be isolated from one another because ideas, literature, even news would be consider a "product'. Well, I'm for it. Let's close down dpreview from all foreign acces and dpr will report only on things built in the USA. Let's have every country surround itself with a wall and isolate them inside. Good bye the rest of the world. There is a world for this it is called "isolationism".

I get what you're saying and in general that can apply to our culture of consumerism. That being said, when you note that " it'll impact the workers and families hard in producing countries but hopefully they'll be able to weather the economic storm"...that's a very mild way of putting it.

If the "pause button" were hit, you would see a lot of working people and their families adversely impacted in huge ways. You don't mess around with the economy. I don't think any of us would be prepared for the economic fallout of such a "pause."

Eventually it will happen and is working people aren’t in control of things their culture directly needs then the fallout will be much worse. We are in a nasty bubble that must always must be inflated to keep it afloat. If it pops it will create the greatest misery the world has ever seen and all because it endeavours only to keep itself afloat.

^ cringe

Not only camera equipment. I work for a measurement systems integration company in Australia. We are already facing delays from our domestic suppliers who rely on Chinese suppliers for components and sub-assemblies. In the short-term this could cause a major disruption in electronics industries worldwide.

Mister AndersOn, obviously your aluminum hats lose effect due to the Corona virus...or did you have too much of Corona beer last night?

I'm having a batch of PCB's manufactured in China. The company have told me they can't re-open their factory until the Government gives them the okay. They have sub-contracted some work work to another plant, not affected by the virus but they can't ship, because travel in China is in lock down.

I work in industrial automation - we've had 3 vendors announce major shipping delays. Two have provided an official story so far - "We don't buy directly from China, but our suppliers do.". No one took my bet when I put $5 on the third vendor eventually telling us that the coronavirus outbreak is the cause.

A fourth vendor has warned us that delays are likely because while they can increase production somewhat in a factory outside China, it won't be enough to compensate for the loss of their factory inside China.

@Lees Channel, I like the way you think.

It's funny because the amount of people infected outside of China is really small and altogether it affected much fewer people than good old flu which kills morepeople every day, it's really overblown.

Yes, flu is a serious problem, which is why my local municipality in Tokyo gives free flu shots every year. Where’s my coronavirus vaccine?

I have some holy water for sale.

I have some unholy water for sale, much more effective according to the latest research.