The South Korean tech publication The Elec reports that Samsung will soon receive test sockets for periscope-style tele camera that is expected to make its debut in at least one of the Galaxy S11 models early next year.
The test sockets are used for final hardware-checks before shipping the components and are manufactured by fellow Korean company MecaTech Systems which also produces smartphone camera and time-of-flight (ToF) modules.
Test socket produced by MecaTech Systems, image: The Elec
MecaTech has been in the module-testing industry for the past 15 years and has been gaining recognition as smartphone manufacturers have increased reliability testing of their modules which is particularly key for multi-cam modules with multiple lenses and zoom capability.
According to rumors the upcoming Samsung flagship will feature a 5x optical tele lens, matching the current king of zoom Huawei P30 Pro. The main camera will allegedly come with a 108MP Quad-Bayer sensor, with the module manufactured by Samsung Electro-Mechanics.
This is great an all, but if Samsung doesn't put the notification LED back in their phones, the Note 9 will be my last Samsung until they do.
I dunno how so many people live without that multi-functional little wonder of a light! Yeah, this is life or death stuff, and Samsung is saying "DIE!" :D Damn you, Samsung!
The very first one is Minolta more than 15 years ago, and it is real zoom, At the very same time, Pentax released the same thing + waterproof.
Olympus Tough cams has the same thing until today, and Oly's Tough cams is the best small sensor zoom cam money can buy.
In terms of Phones, Taiwan Asus is the first one uses this kind of lens years ago, and it is also the ONLY one has real zoom developed by Japanese Hoya which is best known for making decent filters.
FWIW, now I only buy Hoya filter b/c it is the only way to avoid sea of Chinese fake.
Why?
As far as I know, only Hoya filters can be bought directly from Hoya USA:
One of my favorite cameras at the time (2003?) was the Minolta Dimage Xt. It had a 5.7 - 17.1 f:2.8 - 3.6 zoom lens that was folded inside like this new Samsung. I still have the camera and it would be nice to put a phone in it!
Who said that mirror is dead? Now, cram inside this smartphone a very large optical sensor, say m4/3; lay it down, slant slightly. Then slant above it a piece of thin mirror, move it towards the periscope far enough that it reflects the image sent by this periscope entirely onto the sensor, and that's it.
Noone minds a thick phone. In fact everyone has one after adding protective covers and screen protect. If this would come from factory they would have a lot more space for big sensors.
Also, you kind of get a "zoom" effect when progressing through the ultrawide, standard, and telephoto lenses. I know the use of the term "zoom" annoys some people on here, but it's probably the best word to communicate with the intended audience.
You don't think they'll have a stop-gap "2x zoom" module, like around 52mm? If they went with a quad camera arrangement, they could have ultra wide, standard wide, short telephoto and long telephoto. That's a camera phone I'd like to have.
Huawei does not. That's why I was asking if it is like the Huawei.
All the comparisons with HUawei show it being amazing for zoom, but they only show 5x and 10x examples vs digitally zoomed competition. People are more likely to be using 2x-3x zoom in daily life, and it falls apart there, because now it is digitally zoomed from the wide angle lens.
ok, but it will never be a death sentence to the best camera ever created, the Nx1, so, it will good for Smart Phone users, I guess, but not for people that want a little more from their NX1...
Really when I tested the NX1 it was king of the cameras and still a lot of new cams cannot catch up with it. I don't know why Samsung ditched this sector. I wish that they come back with FF body.
It will never match an RX100 but that's a pretty specialised compact.
In terms of consumer compacts, phones are killing them quickly. I used to carry a seperate compact for years but my Galaxy s3 was the first phone where I would think twice whether I really needed it. Then the Note4 made it all but redundant except for special occasions.
Now with my S9+ I struggle to justify taking a compact any more. The phone seems sufficient for anything between casual snaps up to the level where I'll just take a DSLR or mirrorless with me anyway. With stuff like handheld multi shot noise reduction and a half decent HDR mode, the only thing I really miss is some extra reach without having to resort to digital zoom. The video is way better than most small compacts too (stuff like RX100 excludes of course)
I'm now far more interested in smartphone camera advances than any other photographic equipment, price almost be damned. About that hotshoe and high-res EVF...
My Sony Xperia 1 has a Shutter Button on its side. And If I am not mistaken I have a Underwater / Sport Camera by Sony that has a 5x Optical Zoom like this in it I think it was a Ti model where the front slid up and down to expose the lens it also doubled as a on/off switch.
Great to see Sammy is catching up. I am very happy with my Huawei Mate20pro but given the current snafu, it's certainly good to have an alternative. And Samsung can do great cameras, that we know. If it comes with at least some computational savvy à la Pixel, that would be awesome.
Few used by Sony on their phones do not crop while recording 16:9. The sensor does not use all horizontal area in 4:3 nor all vertical in 16:9. So you can switch between both while keeping same FOV.
I wont get my Hope's up yet. The s10 was the third camera touted to have 120fps 4k but that's still not happened either. Not even sure if it's possible in terms if thermal management.
I'd like to be proven wrong with this though though. How luxurious it would be to have a proper zoom. I always feel too far away with my 9+ even with the "tele" lens.
"like all the others, is a fixed focal length lens. Not a zoom."
Not a bad thing. Suppose you're an engineer, you have a choice a zoom with complex mechanical interactions between multiple lens elements on a VERY small scale... or you can produce a faster, sharper prime lens (only a single focus movement) with a high res sensor and do manipulation (within reason) computationally in solid state electronics
So, did the likes of the dimage x have zoom or did they just have multiple lenses too?
So what effective focal length would we be looking at? I guess in the region of 130 if it's 5x the standard lens focal length.
A good step up from 52mm equivalent, especially if you can actually choose when you want to use it including when shooting video. My s9+ tele lens is barely usable except for auto mode in broad daylight. Very frustrating that it cannot be used for video, especially in filmic pro.
At least I wouldn't have to resort to using digital zoom or cropping as much.
While not perfect, the iPhone 11 (Pro) offers a (simulated) smooth zoom in video mode. Since most video output is resampled anyway (unless it is a 1:1 crop, which happens sometimes), it can offer as you 'zoom in' a resampled crop of the wider camera(s) until it switches over to the next camera with a longer equiv. focal length.
Manufacturers have since ever put different chipsets in the same phone meant for different areas. There are some with 2 and 4 core versions, or 6 and 8 core versions, so the fact that one chip does something the other can't isn't really an excuse when they do it anyway.
a true optical zoom does not need to be 3x even a 2x [75-150 mm equiv] if it could use at least a 1 1\7 sensor and not those really tiny affairs would expand cameraphones into uncharted and exciting territory
I remember the Sony Xperia Line of Phones had Compact Camera Sized Sensors in them they used to be in their sales information, but I do not know if they still do. I just purchased a Xperia 1 and even though it is a 12mp camera the shots are nice a clear and large enough for a 8x10 print with a 2x telephoto camera as well as a wide angle lens.
I noticed that too and had to compliment that. In previous articles it was pointed out saying "zoom" is confusing and deceptive, and I'm glad that criticism was heard.
It's common for a lot of tech and general sites to use the "zoom" terminology, but this is a photography focused site, so there should be higher standards.
@User1234567890, I disagree. With the implementation of Samsung being able to use a 108MP sensor, a 1/4" sensor which you allude to, or whatever size it will be, will surely be a lot more then 8MP. That equates to crisper telephoto shots.
With the main sensor to be 108MP, which will be pixel-binned to use light-gathering data from 4 pixels for each photosite, means you will be getting the equivalent of a 27MP with sharp colors and details. That's even more then my M4/3 camera, or any M4/3 camera which is usually capped at 16MP or 20MP.
We can all speculate about rumors and fantasy. When rumor becomes fact you will come to know the truth, and the truth will set us free.
Huawei P30 Pro uses 130 or 135mm, I do not know exactly the value. To keep all modules same size, they had to use smaller 8MP 1/4" , while those phones (Samsung, Sony and Apple) use 1/3.4" for 52mm.
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