Fujifilm announces FW 3.0 for X-T3 coming in April: Improved AF and face/eye detection

There’s a lot of weird Sony spam bots in this thread....

Hopefully one day it will happen!

It will be quicker to get an X-Tx and use it right now... otherwise, just get another camera.

No issue using X-Trans...

I hope they do offer a Bayer version at some point.. I mean I don't mind the X-Trans and it has its advantages, but sometimes it can be a pain to work with in post unless you use Fuji's X-Raw studio which is designed to interpret their X-Trans RAW files obviously. They aren't very forthcoming it seems with other software companies in terms of their RAW files which is a big turn-off to me. Otherwise, I like the brand and like what they're doing (and love shooting the XT2).

Hi dpcane,

I am not a Fuji engineer, but I guess this question was not serious ;-)

Face Selection: If multiple faces are recognized, the recognized faces are highlighted with rectangles. If several faces are in the frame, the camera is clearly able to recognize multiple faces at once as it highlights multiple faces at one but chooses one to follow (I think the one nearest to the center). Giving the user the option to choose one of the already recognized faces seems like a sole software task without any additional requirements to the hardware (like more processor power for example). Therefore I am pretty sure that this is possible.

I remember a time when Sony had a 2% market share. So your point is?

So, in a comments thread about a Fujifilm firmware update, you feel the need to point out that you're not a fan boy, and then to say that Sony is dominating Fujifilm because of a much larger market share, and that we should "face the facts"? That's completely off-topic, and it's definitely trolling. What's your point, exactly?

stop arguing with sony users about your crap non existent company. just be modest, keep your head down and shut up. all you do is constantly compete with sony. youre not on the same level. so stop. its like if olympus would say their new flagship is as good as the d5 because it can also do x fps

sony has their own cr*ppy issues but for 2% market share, you sure are making a lot of noise. and for no reason.

Best comment. Ever. Fuji fnaboys are ruining it for normal Fuji users, not only for the other 98%.

By your logic, Skoda is superior to Ferrari and Lamborghini because Skoda has a much greater market share in the automotive segment.

I hope you can help enlighten all the world's rich folks by telling them they are driving the wrong cars.

dont compare other companies. dont compare anything. compare fuji with yourselves and what they are doing right or wrong. and why after so many years in the camera business cant jump any higher then 2%. look in your own plate. stop pointing to others.

yea, and your fuji is no where near on high quality level as a lambo...or a skoda.

look in your own plate.

Troll hates his life

Marketing share doesn't matter, profits do. Fuji can make a bigger profit than Sony, regardless of company size. That's what matters. Why do photogs no so little about business?

why do photogs care to fight about a brand when bottom line, theyre not making a buck from it.

I don't know about others but i don't get offended at all. I simply don't care. Photography is just a hobby for me and I don't have unlimited fund to upgrade my gears every year and that's why i still use Xt1 for travel. Enjoy your Sony.

@ supersteelman

thank you for your valuable and very friendly comment! Bravo.

Improving something over time does not mean the previous version was half baked. It means that it was improved, that's all.

My post was being sarcastic!

The firmware actually serves to stretch a product without releasing a newer one. It often is cheaper than to just do a rinse and wash like other bigger companies like Sony, Nikon, and Canon who have the resources to do that. Of course, there's the flips side, and that is often than not, what Fuji tends to add after the launch of a product, could and should have been done prior. Great to get the update, but you're kinda sort of getting something that is half-baked as opposed to getting it done in the first place. Granted no company "gets it right" on release, but putting the praise aside you have to call it for what it is. Now I only hope Fuji can put the same effort into its X-E3 camera and perhaps bless the X-Pro 2 with focus stacking.

Even the best software can be made better and improved over time. That does not mean the original was bad or not finished.

You people are so retarded, it´s inspeakable.

@bayindirh Sony said they will bring animal Eye-AF first, this was very old news, even before Nikon announced their future firmware. So I'm guessing that is another first for Sony :)

@cosinapile and yet still behind competition haha😆

and sonys still an appliance .... does it blink *12:00 * *12:00 * when switched on the first time ?......bet its got a bit of ol VCR DNA..........lol

People who do not want overheating issues, and weathersealing failures.

@cosinaphile Sony is no more an appliance than any other camera. They have a different feel to it I completely agree, but it's their way of doing things. Why bash the thing you don't like?

One Tony Northrup is enough; I don't need any help irritating people.

@cosinaphile Why lower yourself to the provokers' level then and got provoked? My friends shoot Fuji, and they are perfect cameras in their own right.

With the latest developments it's well seen that camera landscape is bigger than the old juggernauts (Canon & Nikon). Everybody is doing interesting things, and things are not clear cut as before nowadays, and it's a good thing IMHO.

I was planning to buy a D500 before deciding on an A7III, but if I decided to stay in APS-C land, the choice is much much harder, and it's a good thing.

Just don't heed the provokers and cherish all achievements if you ask me.

i own or have owned x100 x100s x10 x20 x30 xe1 xe2 and xpro2

i love fujis cameras

when someone asks "who buys fuji cameras?" , i simply cant resist answering them...lol

Some might consider that evidence of a rushed release of an unfinished product...

@ arbux ...and you still behind trolls, who at least make an effort

@Docno I have owned an X-T3 starting from Nov 2018. It does not seem the product is unfinished or incomplete.

However I do believe that every manufacturer is facing rushed release of an IMPERFECT product. Routine update and maintenance of every product (in particular to electronic products) are inevitable to make it better.

@CAPTAINNODDY What about the X-E3 which was released not long ago, it hasn't received the same attention, so does Fujis still get a well done from those who use one?

@Rob890 I have the X-E3 as well and it is still ver 1.20.
I agree with you but I believe X-E3 will still have major FW updates in the future :)

Remember that these updates likely won't get them close to the tracking ability of an a7mk3 (I own both).

Fuji is playing catchup - great camera - but it launched WAY behind. Plus the lower image quality vs FF....

https://i.postimg.cc/KzhTfVVD/Fuji-Lies-JPG.jpg

Plus the somewhat erroneous fps lies from Fuji when tracking....

The Fuji will be a more fun camera to use than the Sony...and that counts for a whole lot.

And let's not pretend the Sony's are so perfect...they are not...they're IBIS is not class leading, and even their vaunted eye AF is not always so perfect.

Not sure how you define fun. But the A9 is a blast to shoot. Fun is subjective. And we know the Sonys are not perfect. We are responding to "sony fans still crying over firmwares that fuji does? " which is a really foolish comment in light of the firmwares Sony is releasing in March. The fuji updates are trying to catch up to Sony... And the Sony updates are pushing further ahead....

Notice how they didn't demo the EyeAF update? Maybe they figured they needed to do something after the Sony Demo.. But it's not done yet.

Hope they are successful. It pushes all the guys to work harder.

fujis makes superb cameras ...sony wonderful "appliances "

thank you ...i have always preferred science to .umm ....religion

@Thought R Us, define "fun". I use an XT2 regularly and was intrigued with the controls at first but after a while the novelty wore off and when speed and usability matter I find the controls to be annoying and much prefer the utilitarian oriented approach of the Sonys.

Not to mention it's definitely not fun when I can't trust Eye AF and thus have to manually select the AP point, the camera misfocus, the battery dying by lunch time or the camera randomly locks up.....

Or that they keep improving the capabilities of their product and giving you the benefits even after you have paid for it.

sure

Don't be naive. Nearly every product in the electronic and software industry is "half-baked" for many reasons : short life cycle, software complexity, low margins on entry-level products, etc... Only pro, high-end products can be "cuits aux petits oignons" (French expression meaning "crafted with great care and love", literally "cooked with small onions").

I bought an X-T3 shortly after the release. It does what Fuji claimed so I can confirm it's not half baked. Sony seems to start substantial updates with functional improvements now as well. We should all be happy about that.

The attempts to paint Fuji's kaizen approach to updates in a negative light crack me up. You can pretty much assume those doing it have other brands that force you to buy a new body to get any updated features. Of course as these brands start following the kaizen approach, like Sony with its upcoming A73 and A9 update, you can bet those former critics will become fans of the process.

You can read Jim's blog. He deserves the credit. It appears to do it with any lens, but it's only a real problem with very thin DoF.

Many people would pay big bucks to get Sony's eyelash AF (as you call it) in their DSLRs as opposed to their current nose AF implementation.

You can’t pinpoint an AF point on an eyeball separate from an eyelash unless your subjects face is the size of the frame, or your camera is on a tripod and your subject is a mannequin.

And yes, others have EyeAF, but everyone pretty much agrees the Sony implementation is the best all around...

Yep. I shoot Sony A9 extensively. I know the camera very well...

As an A9 user, I am sure you are very familiar with a useable touchscreen....oh wait. :)

Don’t need the touchscreen.. lack of touchscreen doesn’t slow me or the camera down at all... (touchscreen interface is supposed to be substantially updated in Fw5.0 for Sony. But I probably still won’t use it.) seriously, you are just a troll...

Huh.
It is always the Sony fans that resort to name calling and personal attacks when they do not like the facts.
Why can't Sony fans stick with discussing facts.

Anyway. There is no Sony FF camera with a touchscreen that doesn't exhibit extreme lag, nor one that has a touch AF/Shutter (instant focus/shutter release).
A FW update cannot fix this, because the lag is due to the hardware.
The new A6400 appears to have a much improved touchscreen, one that functions like everyone else's finally.

You started on a Fuji(film) thread bashing Sony’s EyeAF which clearly everyone else is trying to match. And then throw a pointless dig about the crap touchscreen which doesn’t seem to stop anyone using an A9. And you’re upset because I called you a troll. If you can’t handle it, perhaps you shouldn’t engage in such discussions with the tone that you do.

The reason nikon let you adjust it's because it can't hit the focus area. Lol

@SydneyVision - um, actually you called Mike "clueless" first before he called you a troll. So I'd say that you brought down the level of conversation. Moreover, you totally missed his point. He was saying that if you're going to be worrying about a 1mm difference in focal plane (eyeball versus eyelash), you're probably way in close, have your camera on a tripod (to prevent a 1mm movement on your part), and have a very still subject (i.e., a mannequin).
Also note that irises are naturally much less well-defined than eyelashes... the border of the iris to eye-white is not super sharp in reality, which might pose additional challenges to any AF system

I don’t think he has the self-awareness to realize you were talking about him.

Too funny

Correct a Sony user and explain Sony doesn’t off a fully functional touchscreen on their FF cameras yet, and all you get back is name calling and insults.
It is always the Sony guys.

And, no, there is no Sony FF that has a touch shutter. And yes you can zoom in on subject with an EVF for more accurate focusing. (

Fuji

@space- because software development r&d and all that takes time. And time to market matters. Besides, the xt3 is a very complete camera when it was released. What do you want, that they force you to buy a Fuji xt3 mark II like many companies traditionally do for better?

That's what I'm talking about. X-T3 was released only 5 months ago. They either were in rush or were waiting for Sony to release it's next camera (or get a pre-production copy) to look what Sony will implement in it. And after that just copied their ideas in own implementation. Why couldn't they do it all with release? I don't believe that it took too much time and they couldn't make it. Isn't it a smart move to not implement anything new and complicated till someone else won't?

Again. The xt3 is a complete camera. The other stuff they are adding is making. A better body. Normally you have to buy a new body for these.

You can hold a camera for release 6 months. 1. Year. Two years. Add new features when you think “it’s ready” and lose the market.

Quite simply this is bonus no don’t understand the complaint. The xt3 was very complete on release. It’s not like they hid something from you- you pay for what they advertised or you don’t. The rest is bonus. What’s the problem?

Why don't you ask A73 and A9 owners if they would rather buy a new camera to get the latest AF improvements.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/5057389015/sony-promises-firmware-updates-for-a7-iii-a7r-iii-and-a9-improving-af

What a shame that Sony released those unfinished cameras.

I think you might be the only X-E2 owner in the world who saw a negative to receiving the 3.0 AF firmware update.

@Spaceman - releasing a firmware update 5 months after launch I believe is completely meaningless to the point you are trying to present. Software can change a lot in 5 months. R&D and techniques take time. 5 months can be critical in the market.

The XT3 was fine as sold and was already amazing. It's hardly a beta product.

And of course there's something about competition here- no kidding! I mean, where is the bad in a company trying to stay competitive by given its customer base more items over time that traditionally companies don't do? Though Sony is also doing it now in this rev.

It's interesting that if a manufacturer doesn't offer a certain feature, they're falling behind the competition, and when the feature gets added later, then they're just a copycat or playing catch-up.
I suppose, then, that every manufacturer must be the first to offer every feature, because otherwise they're doing something wrong?

Red fox. No damn way it’s Fuji and will be till I die. Just because newcomers have only know the trendy new name doesn’t mean I’ll ever change etc etc..

Red fox. I’ve just checked Fuji Photo Ltd was incorporated in Japan in 1934 😀😀😀

Fuji didn’t release an unfinished product. That’s complete nonsense. I guess you would prefer the company releases an xt3 II forcing you to buy a new body just for the upgrades? This is what camera conpanies traditionally have done.

Time to market matters. Software development and R&D takes time and new things are discovered. Either get a free firmware upgrade making a complete canera even better or spend more money for a new body rev up. I know which one I prefer.

Sorry Spaceman, but your attitude makes no sense.

Either you like Kaizen, or you'd prefer a more developed product at a later point in time with no Kaizen. That's fine, you pay your money and choose. But why would you change your mind based on whether you own the camera? That's just tribalism

@RedFox88

fujifilm fuji..whatever..with 2% worldwide market share, ill call it fujicr*p

Cont'd...
As an example, I never had shutter shock issues with my DSLRs (Canon) until I use some Pentax and Olympus cameras with IBIS. It takes several iterations for Pentax and Olympus to reduce the shutter shock sensitivity, by making a quieter shutter or avoiding it with an electronic shutter. I am curious to know if they also managed to strengthen the link between the sensor and the chassis to reduce the resonance effect.
I think that IBIS helps more to shoot stable videos than to take tack sharp stills. IBIS is limited to fully static subjects, IMHO, for best help. So this exclude landscapes with foliage dancing in a faint breeze, for example, or social shots in low light where you have to use a high shutter speed anyway because people move, unless you like blurry faces over a sharp background...

Red fox no it’s Fuji to anyone time served in this hobby

Fuji

Actually.. it is Fujifilm.. I mean, everyone knows who you're talking about, but to be accurate, Fujifilm.

Fuji, FujiFilm, who cares ? Many write Oly, or Pana and they are not blamed...

I agree on the lack of lossless compression though. Conversion to Adobe's DNG format (which has that of course) is not a workaround, if you work with Adobe software and want to keep your metadata edits away from your RAW files, in XMP sidecar files. Adobe doesn't support that with DNG, only with native RAWs.