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Verizon follows AT&T, drops Huawei smartphones

A couple of weeks ago, AT&T decided not to carry any handsets from Chinese smartphone maker after pressure from lawmakers over security concerns. Now, according to sources at Bloomberg, Verizon is following AT&T's lead by dropping Huawei from its catalog.

Just like AT&T, the government is reportedly urging the move to end any collaboration with Huawei on standards for a 5G network in the US. "The next wave of wireless communication has enormous economic and national security implications," said Michael Wessel of a US-China security review commission. "China's participation in setting the standards and selling the equipment raises many national security issues that demand strict and prompt attention."

It appears the government's security concerns over Chinese spying through telecommunications infrastructure will likely delay the implementation of 5G technology in the US. Both AT&T and Verizon plan to roll out 5G networks this year, but now won't be able to offer Huawei devices, which will likely be the first smartphones to support the new standard.

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cosinaphile

so thanks china for setting a fire under the greedy backwards butts of usa regulators
over 5g ... america has almost the worst or the worst first world internet infrastructure , south korea makes us look like a forgotten island nation

better late than never

spying ??? hahhahahahahhha....hahahhaahahah the nsa cia fbi and with donalds and lover Vlads help,... the fsb spying ..... right ... they need to define the new spec for that....lol

10 months ago*
so-what-17

so which phones are made in the USA ?...and which ones are made over sea's....go chinavasion.....and remember android rules and apples are for fools

10 months ago
shutterhappens

Of all the foreign companies, why are only a few (kaspersky, huawei) singled out as suspicious spies by the government?

10 months ago
LadislavCZ

Its called business reasons.

10 months ago
Glen Barrington
Glen Barrington

Lenovo owns Motorola and Lenovo has, or at least had, If I recall correctly, connections to the Chinese Army, NO one that I know of, is trying to deny Motorola access to American phone networks. The difference is Lenovo has addressed those issues of trust and has successfully worked in the the American computer Industry for a couple of decades now. Lenovo is a known entity and if there were problems with Lenovo's reliability, the Gov't would not have allowed them to buy Motorola Mobility.

I suspect this issue is much more nuanced than the average consumer is aware. That being said, So long as the nascent 5G American mobile phone networks remain multiple commercial entities. HTC should be allowed to compete in this market. Let the marketplace decide. I can't see how much more info can be gleaned.

When I can't get a 4G signal, so far, all my phones drop to 1G. The American system has redundancies built in. Maybe, the 4G network needs to remain in place as a 3rd redundant layer

10 months ago
LadislavCZ

The same redundancy system work in most of the countries around the globe.Not only in USA ;)

10 months ago*
Glen Barrington
Glen Barrington

LadislavCZ - I understood that, but we were talking about the American Federal Government and its security concerns. I was suggesting, that perhaps that the 4G network not be dismantled once 5G is fully implemented. If the 5G network is going to be the boon to the American (perhaps Global?) economy, we might want to maintain a redundancy level that is faster than the 1G system.

10 months ago
LadislavCZ

Doubt they will remove 4G as a lots phones would end up on 3G only due to this.

10 months ago
Lykato

It's time for the Chinese government to ban Apple selling their products in China. Once they do this Apple will get involved and the ban will go away.

10 months ago*
Ron Poelman
Ron Poelman

The only difference between foreign spies and domestic ones is the level of hypocrisy;
at least they make no bones about keeping their enemies closer.
This is Trumpism at it's purest, the new isolationism, a REALLY bad idea.

11 months ago
shoevarek

Well. You will realize the difference when your country will loose its privileged world position and associated benefits that also benefit you in some way. I am not saying spying on populace is good. I am just saying that being afraid of intentions of own government when showing complete disregard for intentions of the foreign one seems silly to me.

10 months ago
Snudur

Most apple products are also made in china. I personally have a Huawei Mate 9 Pro. Its a stellar device, just updated to the newest Android system. No problems with it, and I doubt that the chinese will have any use for my data. I actually think that american companies like google, apple, facebook and such collect much more sensitive data. Huawei has even gone out of their way to promise that no data will be collected without the knowledge of the customer. I think this is just the Trump administration being scared that they might "lose" to the chinese. Huawei is already bigger than apple and is closing in on samsung. P.s. many laptops and other devices use Huawei wifi chips in them.

11 months ago
Road Trip
Road Trip

'Huawei has even gone out of their way to promise that no data will be collected without the knowledge of the customer.'
Have you ever installed an APP of ANY kind?
Almost all of them want access to your files, contacts, images, wifi info, data, location, texts, incoming calls and outgoing calls.
THAT is what the gov't needs to look into and stop.

10 months ago
Snudur

Thats true. Seems like Huawei is just playing the same game as all other manufacturers and app developers in the market, and they are being punished because they are chinese and Trump does not like the Chinese. :)

10 months ago
shoevarek

The issue of collecting data is there and noone can deny it. Is it the main driving factor behind the decision to drop products of one firm from the market? I doubt it. I think it is another step of economic war between US and China. It gives US another bargaining chip it can use to influence China's government to make a deal more suitable for US.

You oppose the move? Well, some geopoliticians already say China's economy is larger then US. Being first gives perks that US can use to its advantage.

10 months ago
thenoilif

@Snudur
Trump is a businessman so he loves the Chinese.
You know who hate the Chinese? The average white pseudo blue-collar American. I say pseudo because there haven't been too many blue collar jobs in America for at least 20 years. Its more of an ideology now that fully bought into the 'Made in America' errrr 'Make America Great Again' slogan that has been the backbone of Republicans for as long as I can remember.

10 months ago
stevo23

Huawei's TV Ad: What would you like to pirate today?

11 months ago
Sangster

Trade war. Sparks will fly.

11 months ago
Fog Maker

Yes, and this is only the beginning.

And they are currently all over Europe

trying to stop since long agreed projects

where China or Russian companies are involved.

11 months ago
Tommi K1

"It appears the government's security concerns over Chinese spying through telecommunications infrastructure will likely delay the implementation of 5G technology in the US."

https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying

Lets not forget... Again how American government is having nice logic that it is bad if others are spying them, but it is just good to if US is spying everyone else....

How about moral rule "It is evil to spy others, so let's not do that!"?

Don't do others that you don't accept others to do to you....

11 months ago
Dante Birchen
Dante Birchen

Because of the NSA foreign governments are free to spy on America. Maybe they can take over so you you'll be free of the dreaded NSA. See how you like life under the lovely communist party or jolly fellow Putin. Your president sucks so hard any oppressive dictatorship is preferable to the American nightmare. Freedoms are overrated anyway. We like people to tell us what to do what to be and what to think. Free thinking is dangerous.

11 months ago*
Road Trip
Road Trip

Why is it millions try to sneak into the USA every year, but no Americans are trying to get OUT?

10 months ago
Dante Birchen
Dante Birchen

Except for Edward Snowden :p

10 months ago
mais51
mais51

Because Huawei is a state owned company suspected of secretively gathering sensitive information Australian government bans Huawei from participating in any national communication aspects, for instance:

- Huawei is barred from the fiber optic National Broadband Network (NBN) roll out for fear of spying.

- Australian government is taking over the Chinese sponsored sub-marine cable construction by Huawei connecting the Solomon Island to mainland Australia.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-26/australia-to-build-undersea-internet-cable-solomon-islands/9365000

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11 months ago*
Vahab

Saving Apple

11 months ago
telawrence

It's just an excuse for protectionism. Where are iPhones and google phones made? I just don't see this stopping Chinese spies. Does anyone seriously think they cannot take an iPhone and change the electronics inside.

11 months ago
Fog Maker

When the US can’t use guns,

they cheat, extorts

and offer others protection from
problems they were themselves

instrumental in creating - just
like the mafia

11 months ago
OneGuy
OneGuy

Happy with my PiXL.

11 months ago
Road Trip
Road Trip

Are you serious? Have you even looked at the 'protectionism' almost every country throws at us? They tariff the hell out of us, but we don't tariff them - at least anywhere near as bad as they tariff us. There is a reason US automakers don't sell in Asia - because they made it nearly impossible for us to do that.

10 months ago
mais51
mais51

It is a real problem because Huawei is a state owned company .

10 months ago*
Entropy512

iPhones and Google's phones may be manufactured in China, but they are not designed in China.

Also, Huawei is run by a former PLA officer and has at least some degree of state ownership, while Foxconn is headquartered in Taiwan and its CEO is Taiwanese, not mainland Chinese.

10 months ago
mais51
mais51

Not so much where it is made but how the circuits are designed - they worry that some undetectable imbeded spying feature in Huawei phones or communication system could send sensitive information back to their base in China. Of course there is no proof publicly available - but why risk it ?

10 months ago*
ctransj

@telawrence
Could the Chinese gov tell Apple to put a back door and send user's data back to China? But I think it can tell Huawei to do so.

10 months ago
mais51
mais51

Huawei is owned by the Chinese government, designed and made there of course and it is much easier to do so. Similarly people who in the know avoids using Lenovo Notebook due to their back to base feature - a hardware feature, not software so user can not disable it - sending user activity back to Lenovo HQ supposedly to help with trouble shooting - may be so but would you trust it especially sending to China ?

If a relatively neutral country like Australia do not trust Huawei why would you ?

Apple is an US company, all Apple products are designed in their HQ in CA, they only have their stuffs assembled in China due to cheap labor, it will be a big loss to China if Apple pulls out, can't see Huawei going anywhere else

10 months ago*
grasscatcher

I remember back in the good ol days when porn drove a large part of the consumer technology industry (vcr, camcorders, etc.). ;) We seem to be answering to the spy industry more nowadays. It is like the cold war is heating up again, except with some new players involved.

"Good times, Hawkins, good times!" - Sir Roger Daggenhurst, from "The Man Who Knew Too Little".

11 months ago
jnd

Only the domestic spying industry is the correct one! So get Google Nexus phone, for home take the Xbox with always on camera, and record all of yours steps with Google clips. They'll let you keep the interesting stuff ;)

11 months ago*
Kirk Bruner

In the old analog days, stuff didn't get hacked.

11 months ago
Road Trip
Road Trip

JND - don't forget the always-listening Alexa devices.

10 months ago
Neez

I don't see how not having Huawei as a participant in 5G discussions is going to delay the 5G rollout. I suppose they make their own Kirin SOC radio's, but Quallcomm, Ericcson and Broadcom are much bigger players globally.

Verizon has already stated it's rolling out 5G residential Broadband later this year. So the standard is already in place, it's just a matter of the design of the mobile chipset radios.

11 months ago*
Peiasdf

FCC director Ajit Pai was appointed by Obama in 2012 to bar Sprint's purchase of Huawei equipment. Obama chose him for his strong anti-China stance. He and Obama were also the driving force that banned Intel from exporting Xeon processor to China in 2015

11 months ago
lilBuddha

He was not appointed as director by Obama, but as a commissioner to appease conservatives. The recommendation was from Mitch McConnell.

11 months ago
jnd

Heh, don't miss a chance to blame Obama :)

11 months ago
mattd007
mattd007

Pai is just a meat puppet for US telcos, his appointment as chair was nothing to do with the past government.

11 months ago
Peiasdf

You mean the president isn't responsible for the person he appointed but a senator is. Wow, is there any responsibility of being a president?

10 months ago