New Fujifilm X-T30 firmware aims to reduce Q.Menu button sensitivity

Isn't the Q menu customizable? I know on my XT2 I can put things like timer, ISO (although not needed because I have a dial for that), and other more advanced features on the Q menu. Maybe Fuji changed this in newer version of their cameras but I seem to remember on mine, you can put quick links to almost all major settings on the camera (at least that pertain to shoot video/stills, and various image quality and picture control settings) via the Q menu.

I mainly use mine to control the self-timer (turn it on and off) and a few other minor controls that I use frequently, but most of the other controls on the XT2 at least are on the camera as dedicated buttons or dials.

Personally, i do hate this "Thumbwheel", which is a mess, from Canon.
But being used to it, since my EOS 10D, up to the 50D, also 5D Original.
I can work with it - but i do really prefer just an ordinary scroll wheel onto the backside of the body, like every other brand.

"sounds like a lame fix that comes very late."

The camera was released to the public 30 days ago. What would your expectation on the timeliness of a firmware fix to be? Can you give an example of another camera vendor who fixed a firmware issue in a time you would define as not "very late?"

Solving a problem is usually better than ignoring a problem.

We have plenty of the latter, very few of the former.
And, BTW, what should Fuji do, in your opinion? Switching from Kaizen to Karakiri?

Tical: I have no deep feelings on what Fuji should do, but I've always felt their reputation for constantly improving their products to be highly overrated. In many instances it's correcting faults that shouldn't have been there in the first place, like in this case.

I actually used the X-T1 before I went up to the Pro 2. A year later I sold off the Pro 2 and went back to the X-T1. So to put quite simply, I like the X-T1 a lot.

>And don't get me started on the X-Pro 2's ergonomics

I'm perfectly happy with mine, I wouldn't change a single bit of it: YMMV.

And, heavy? :-))
Don't get me started on the EOS 1DsIII...

I think X-Pro2 is a fine camera too.
I just do not like the way Fujifilm puts buttons on their cameras.
It is like you said in your first post. They are horribly placed and you are unable to work pleasantly with BBF.

It is one of the reasons why I left Fujifilm.
They just can't to seem to get it right.

Oh dear, how dare I discuss DPR.

Tool bag.

@Wade Marks. I think its the fact that Fujifilm fixed an issue that DPR thought important, only a day after DPR's X-T30 review.

@Wade - I think it's because the XT30 gets so much right from the get go. Keep in mind in the race of "companies that support customers with substantial firmware upgrades," Fuji is at the top of the pack  This is the problem with fanobyism- makes you blind to simply acknowledge some facts.

They are at the top of the pack with firmware upgrades.
" If fuji made DSLRs there is no way there would be many updates. " You don't know that and that deviates from what we are talking about.

"Even Sony are doing good things with firmware now and a number of recent or contemporary Fuji cameras are lacking updates and users are vocal about it. The OG in the firmware thing? Leica."

Sony just recently started to upgrade. Yes, they are doing something useful but look at how long Fuji has been doing this and how far back they have gone to support older cameras.

"Of course we know about their firmware updates as they hands a bunch of dslrs and they didn’t add new features or catch up like they do with the X series. "
No idea what you are trying to say here. We are talking about their x-trans mirrorless anyway. I Stand by what I said.

"and as many critics have mentioned, they’ve tended to add features that were missing in their cameras but which competitors had."
That happens with many brands and models. What people seem to miss though is that when the Fujis do go on sale, the cameras are complete and you can decide to buy on what's sold or not.

Same with other brands. The fact they have gone the extra mile supporting cameras that are even on the way out speaks volumes for them.

@ Raist3D - I’m not sure how long you’ve been using Fuji cameras, but I’ve had every generation of X series since the X100. Most of the famed updates took their cameras from unusable to barely operating. Later updates took them from ‘ok but well behind everyone else’ to ‘decent’. Most updates introduce more issues. New issues.

Fuji’s are ok, but we don’t need to wet ourselves over a pair of updates around one button and completely ignore other updates by other brands at the same time.

@Wade- I have used several Fuji cameras. The X-E3 as out, and so was the X-E2 and X-T10 were fine. Your experience doesn't reflect mine.

@shigzeo - Oh, I am keeping an honest perspective. For starters, I don't use Fuji right now. This whole "Fuji puts out incomplete camera" is quite frankly quite false, particularly since the X-E2 era. This whole "worked like prototypes" is quite false.

Apparently a lot of people are bothered that Fuji does free support firmware updates, and in this case for the XT30, they listened very fast and implemented accordingly. Something that can't be said of many other competitors. Sony- where's the APSC lossless compressed option already? - for example.

Olympus- where's your PenF upgrades? The list is long.

@ Raist3D - The X-E3 is an X-T2 with later firmware (which then trickled down to the X-T2). X-E2 was essentially an X-T1 and so was the X-T10, but again with later firmware.

Just because your experience doesn’t match with others, doesn’t mean it did t happen for them. Try an X-Pro1 or X100 on original firmware, or an X-E1.

But even the later cameras have had major, major flaws in their software. Stuff that brands like Canon and Nikon would never let get through to customers. Ever.

Yes they have thrown in some new features. But much of the time it has been about delivering on the promise of what they should have been to start with.

@wade. - you are grasping at straws here citing very old cameras. When the ct2 came out it was fully functional without the firmware upgrades.

You can say most cameras from all brands do come out with some issues with the difference that normally those manufacturers don’t upgrade anything.

I have an xe1 so I am more than familiar with that line of model Nuer fuji released a last significant firmware upgrade for the original x100 when they didn’t even have to.

@ Raist3D - Apologists will always do exactly what you’ve just done.

Fuji cameras are usually pretty betaware on launch. Even the X-T3 needed serious updates to fix major bugs. Let’s not get started on the clusterfudge that was the X-H1.

It’s so hilarious that Fuji forums and websites are always full of bugs issues and fixes that users are hoping for. But as soon as on an open forum, they magically ‘forget’ and only had perfect experiences with the ‘perfect’ Fuji.

This is why fans of this brand in particular are the most loathed by the rest of the photographic community.

@wade - making a statements without backing it up doesn’t do much. What I have noticed is that a lot of people seem to criticize because their brand doesn’t seem to follow up appropriately.
Like I said.- the xt2 came out pretty complete. So did the xt20. Xpro2 a these cameras are jow a few years old. If we go back in time to the beginning we see most brands were not quite right in some way.

Anyhow. All of this on the very complete xt30 simply because Fuji listened and very quickly addressed an issue. That’s a nice “bad thing” to do for customers ;-)

@wade - oh by the way- I made it quite clear I am
Not currently shooting with Fuji. If I was one of “the fans” surely I would be shooting with one right? As for loathed I think the m43 fans have acquired that titled many times. Or perhaps just the mindless fans of any brand ;-)

Fuji didn't ship with those bugs. They had some bugs when they added things and they took back promptly. You make it sound like other brands don't have these issues like Canon (losing data), Nikon (losing data) or even Olympus (locking PenF up). The firmware upgrade is not a bandaid when it ads new features, particularly things that people have been saying they want. That's listening to the customer.

Like I said- you can buy an Xpro 2 or XT2 when it came out as a fully functional camera. Nothing broken that needed an emergency change. The fact they improved focus later is to the customer benefit.

There are issues other brands have and they don't get upgraded. And like I said other brands have had their issues. So I still think this is overall a positive for Fuji and the whole "they ship broken cameras" is a crock.

You can claim nonsense yet that X-T2 got pretty good reviews. It was a complete camera- as I stated - from the get go. Freezing as I said is not in the realm of Fuji only- happens in other brands.

As for other "quirks' if you refer to other things that simply you don't prefer that's a different issue and point.

"I’ve owned and shot with every camera brand out there. Nobody does half naked like Fuji. Nobody else even comes close."

Oh noes, I have done similar. We have different experiences! The cognitive dissonance must be hard to accept :-)

"Nobody else even comes close." This sentence says it all as far as bias goes.

@wade- I never said Fuji’s are perfect. Don’t put words in my mouth. What I said is that Fuji ships complete cameras- more so in mid to other generation than earlier. I also said issues you pointed out I have seen in other brands.

Moreover- I don’t use Fuji at all right now so it’s not like I have a particular dog in this fight other than the truth.

You seem focused to want to explain Fuji’s decision to support their customers and listen to their market in a way that disparages them - maybe you wish your favorite brand was like that and they don’t and hence your post. Who knows.

@Wade - And I have shot with the Fuji also since early on (X-E1, which actually I still have around, stored). Many other brands don't do simple upgrades to improve usability or force you to update your camera by buying a new one (Olympus did this in the past).

Objectively speaking - the cameras are coming out complete and many updates are done often based on customer feedback by Fuji. Which is why today we are here discussing a simple thing Fuji is doing that people were complaining about, and they are addressing it rather quick.

It's this track record why Fuji is ahead of the pack here. I am glad others are following suit like Sony with the latest major update, etc.

@Wade - I don't think the amount of time between xt3 to XT30 suggests they "rushed it into the market." I am not "rushing to their defense" but establishing that they have been able to respond to customer feedback rather quickly. It's not the first time they do so.

"Yes other brands have had bugs, but no-one releases products so prematurely as Fuji have, with poor, unstested products. "

These are very spurious claims. You can see in several brands models with issues too.

"However some brands (like Canon and Nikon) ARE following that model now. Why?"

Because of competition.

" Because so many people like yourself think that way is actually better! How sad for you. "
Hardly sad for me at all. I wish Olympus upgraded the PenF firmware with a meaningful update that would make for a better UI. But that's not happening.

"But also how sad for the rest of us that have to put up with your allowance of such subpar products."

Oh please. There are other pressures...

IN the market that makes them release the products they did (Canon / Nikon) - competition between themselves for example. It's no one's fault but Canon to have released a quirky EOS R slide-selector.

"Fuji ‘kaizen’ updates are one of the biggest scams in photography, that simpletons swallow... hook, line and sinker."

Again more weird games on complete cameras they sell from the get go.

@wade. Just claiming they are complete doesn’t make it so- agree on that. What makes it so is at the time they are selling they are listed with a specific list of Features that work and people can buy them or not

Give the reviews of these cameras which go beyond whatever claims of objectivity you or I can claim- the cameras sure pretty functional and complete.

As for olympus - they work fine overall. Just mentioning quirks seen. Canon or was it Nikon has had to update their firmware to avoid data loss with some cards. Nikon j5 (or was it j4 - can’t remember st the moment) gets Sf card corruption with some brands that the other model works fine with.

You sure make it sound like it’s only Fuji and not just that but “by far” in the worse. Which is absurd.

Hell you want to know about incomplete cameras- how many times Nikon screwed up the hardware of the camera itself still releasing it in the d600 and a couple other DSLRs. But somehow Fuji doing firmware updates is a bad thing?

How ridiculous.

As for Olympus “rewrite to their Ui” in a firmware upgrade- not what I am asking just some simple
Changes that would make it much more usable. Like changing the color of the focus square so you can see it in the dark and vs dark subjects. The em1 mkii olympus added that simple feature. Where’s the firmware upgrade for the penf for that? Nowhere the penf was priced at a premium

but then Panasonic uses the same button layout but assigns the functions differently for the main actions through their different µ43 cameras. very annoying to use two of them side-by-side.
i am looking at you, <Play> <Delete> and <Display> buttons. :rolleyes: