Canon Asia pre-announces EOS R firmware update with better Eye-Detection AF, bug fixes

Apart from some vloggers, complaing about 4k video featues, since usually most vlogs and youtube uploads are 4k just as well as most video viewing devices (smartphones) are, I didn't notice 'bad' reviews and also not 'everywhere'.

Isn't it good news that Canon rather quickly picked up the missing servo-AF with eye-detection?

That's point. Canon is more oriented for people that enjoy the craft...
But please, do not convert Business, brands competition in.. people hate and harsh comment's, just because someone likes yellow better than blue.

Enjoy what you do, seize the moment. Have fun. Spread your love. And your gear is just that, your gear. So do not compare different gear, born from different business cultures, by the same standards.

Even because, in their conception, they were though considering a specific view, a purpose, a type of target and needs..

.. so one does not have 4k crop, but other may have 3x more nitrate..
One may me amazing recovering shadows...other may be incredible recovering highlights.
One is good for smaller hands, other for bigger. One targets good but expensive batteries, others re-use your current stock.
Etc etc. Etc.

In the end we are all dead and this hate battle is irrelevant.

Just chose what makes you happy from the one's you may afford.

^ what drugs are you on?

Canon is receiving more hate regarding the video side of things, but they already have 4k60p since 2016, so who is still 3 years behind?

Not saying it matters that much (even though it does to some people who have the infrastructure to support those monumental file sizes), I am just saying that Canon is not nearly as behind and some people may assume, they just have different priorities and marketing strategies which let's admit no one really appreciates, but that's what is expected of them.

The $3400 A7RIII was selling for $2300 six months after its release.
By your logic that must be the worst camera in history. :D

Did you see Sony Germany say Sony market share and mirrorless sales are falling and will be lower in 2019? Thank Canon, Nikon and Leica for that.

Ya no warranty included.

others say something else.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeUMz88GhFA

Thuravi Kumaaran, Matt, didn't set the AF setting right, should have set AF response to lock on, he had it set to responsive which will quickly jump to whatever in front.

Hell, even the Z7 in his footage also focus on whatever in front (you can see visible softening of the face and sharpening of the branches), it's just that the DOF is much deeper , field of view is much wider and focus transition is slower so it's not as visible.

Use your eyes, and brains.

if we say, we only have eyes and brains to see things....means... something wrong with us.
So, we may use our eyes and brain to get good pictures or videos out of the available camera.

People are comparing different cameras(and only just the specs list, with zero actual usage time), completely ignoring looking at them as a system with different advantages and weaknesses. I don't care much (it does not change me any way, shape or form and everyone else should have the same attitude but yet they seem to care so much about everything, like all this would matter so much with regards to taking - or rather creating - excellent photographs)
I just find it funny that even internal forums or FB groups are filled up people from other "camps" who do nothing but bashing like this.

It is still better than what Nikon is doing, we are lucky to get 2 updates over the life of a camera, and both updates will be minor bug fixes and further restrictions of 3rd party batteries.

"Loosing their minds" LOL

Just poking fun at a multinational corporation.

But I see that's akin to blasphemy here.

Fine with me. Will still poke fun at corporations when they do silly things.

Yes nowadays or you shoot with a Sony, or you just made the wrong choice 😂

I think people are developing, I don't want to call it an allergy, more like a 'sensitivity' after too much exposure to canon BS through the years. ;-)
I do feel like the reaction is sometimes disproportionate but it is still fun to read.

Well, the Pavlovian response for Canon users every time a new Sony development happens is "Canon colors".

DR discussion is BS.
Look at those SOOC JPEGS and also read the text:
https://blog.mingthein.com/2019/03/23/mts-scrapbook-angled/#more-17689
It is the photographer who makes great pictures.

@photomedium I didn't mention Canon and if you have read the blog you may have noticed that MT used a Olympus Pen F, which is not a Canon camera as far as I know. So why do you think of a Canon board of directors meeting? I think you have too much imagination - to say the least.

@emfor et all - if it's the photographer that makes all the difference then why are you so sensitive to gear / sensor / brand comments in forum boards? :-)

@JanMatthys Many comments say that with this or that camera you cannot take good pictures (or only inferior pictures) because this or that (tech spec) is not as good as XY. This is simply not true. One reason seems to be the common effort to take 'technically perfect' pictures (ultra sharp on pixel level for pixel peeping, never blown out hightlight and liftet shadows to show whats there and so on). This may be desirable for gear heads but from an artistic point of view it is less important and there are much more effective 'tools' (skills) to get great pictures. The blog I linked above shows excellent examples with great composition and great exposure despite - or probably because - very deep shadows (just black) and blown out highlights. So forum boards should focus on how to take great picutures with the camera that is subject of that forum or how a new feature can be used rather than endless repeating how bad this camera is compared to 'mine'.

"no, absolutely no one says that!" No? Then we probably read different forums?
Just scroll down a few lines for example ... obviously in some parts of the world good photos are only possible by regularly pushing 3-5 stops - which is of course horrible with X but fine with Y.
BTW, I do not need to justify any crusade. To put if briefly, IMO people should enhance their skills regarding composition and expressive exposure - or just take pictures - instead of discussing the 23rd decimal place of gear.

Over the past year of traveling, over 50% of the Sony FF cameras I've seen had Canon (or EF) lenses on them.
I bet most of those shooters will eventually buy a Canon mirrorless body as their primary or secondary camera body.

If Canon introduced a new lens cap or clear filter, you can be sure that someone would see that as their personal prompt to make a comment criticizing Canon's sensors. It's Pavlovian. They can't help it.

GrapeJam, yours is quite unique it seems. I live in Norway and I rarely need to play with shadows so harshly. 3 stops of shadow lifting is the utter maximum I'd need.

I live in southern Vietnam ;)

And 3 stops of shadow is the average that I usually lift. Sometimes I'd need to lift 5 stops if I'm shooting window/flower bushes,etc....pose ;)

So you combine exposures? If you have to lift by 3 shadows on average you definitely need to adjust your technique like using flash.
5 stops EV adjustment results in bad image no matter what sendor you have. I have used D800, D810, A7RII, A7RIII and A7III so I know them all.
Invest in some lighting training :)

Flash creates a different look that I and my clients don't like, plus flash severely slow down my work flow.

Plus I color grade so 5 stops adjustments is completely useable.

Whenever I hear the word "just use flash", it's obvious that the sayer is a bit disconnected from modern photography for youth trend.

I apologize in advance, but everything Grapjam posts screams, "I don't know what I am doing!". HE needs to pull 5 stops from large portions of his pictures and doesn't know how to control lighting. These are beginner problems.

@Grapejam, why do you and your clients prefer to shoot in the harshest lighting? Are there no houses casting shadows? No trees creating shade? Are there no scrims or reflectors? Can you never shoot early in the day or late in the day when the light is softer? It seems that without your Sony sensor (with 5 stop pushes), you would not be able to make pictures at all.

@swerky

"there are other factors to consider when reviewing a camera that are as important as the sensor and that Canon does better than others."

Such as?

In short : sh!t happens, I don't know what kind of lightning I'm gonna get due to:

1. Erratic weather ( for example: last shoot the lightning constantly switched between harsh and cloudy as the clouds passing and and blocking out the sun), sometimes at certain hour the sunlight is supposed to be soft but turned out to be harsh.

2. Clients arriving late for whatever reasons (waking up late, got into traffic jam which is a constant problem in Vietnam). Or the make up artist just finish their work later than expected. the times that the shotos start on time is actually in the minority, usually they're late by half an hour at the minimum.

3. Scrims and reflector are cumbersome, severely slow down workflow, often require an assistant (which as a soloist, I don't have), attract too much attention which can intimidate the clients (and sometimes get you kicked out) and sometimes just plain impossible to use as there's nowhere to place them.

So ... no houses casting shade, no trees, no walls, etc. No shade anywhere! Just harsh light everywhere. Gosh, that is tough. Thank goodness you have a Sony and can talk about it under every Canon announcement.

Of course I shoot in shades and cast whenever needed, the problem is: Human subjects are not a flat 2d objects, they are thick 3D objects and parts of them are going to get exposed to harsh sunlight and blown out, sometimes without you knowing:

https://1.img-dpreview.com/files/p/TS560x560~forums/62408038/2303306254bd40f986be5f91b6a8d0ff

I've shot in Vietnam, and other south east asian countries many times, and lived in India for years. I have never had to raise shadows by 5 stops, not even close. There seems to be a skill shortage here.

@Grapejam, Hmmm .... your areas of shade are really, really small ... too small for even a single person, so that "parts" of people will be in harsh sun and blown out. Just can't fit a whole body in any shade. Got it!

@wolfloid, As I understand it from some comments here, that part of the world has no shade, just harsh sun all day. The shaded areas are so small that body parts always stick out into the sun. That's why National Geographic never photographed in South East Asia prior to the advent of Sony digital sensors. Slide film always got blown out and was useless! ;)

@RubberDials You’re absolutely right. Canon doesn’t do anything as good or better than other manufacturers. Not even marketing. People, pros and enthusiasts, just happen to buy Canon cameras and the company is very successful at selling for some odd reason. Or is it successful? No that’s a figment of my imagination.

Swerky, just read Rubberdials' latest comments and you'll understand......

Thanks for the heads up ozturet. :D

@Ozturert

Care to explain this sentence of yours:

"Swerky, just read Rubberdials' latest comments and you'll understand......"

My last comment was a riposte to a man who claimed Canon cameras were greater than the sum of their parts and Sony cameras weren't. Before that I engaged in a very civil discussion with George1958 about the value of the RP to old and new users.

Seems that you are trying to re-cast very balanced words in an unfavourable light for some reason.

@wolfloid, you dont have to lift 5 stops because you know that your camera cant so you avoid situations force you to lift 5 stops, I know that my camera can so I shoot in situations that force me to, thats the freedom that high DR allows ;)

It's the same as having (better) AF that allows me to shoot in situations that I couldn't with worse or no AF thus allowing me greater creative freedom, it's about how one can smartly utilize new technologies ;)

Interesting denial from Sony haters talking about pushing 5 stops and great DR with their cameras when the Sony A9 pro oriented camera has slightly less DR than the EOS R at base ISO.

It's nice that Sony has options ;)

Also neither DXO nor Photontophoto measure highlight recovery, the A9 actually has 1 stop highlight recovery advantage over the A7R3 the A7III so DR is actually pretty only around half a stop worse than those 2, and still better than Canon best (the 5DIV's highlight recovery is still worse than any Sony) ;)

Dang, the Sony users are really insecure and paranoid.
Its an article about Canon, nothing to do with Sony, and they come out of the woodwork.
The best part is because of Canon, according to Sony, in 2019... "Sony expects to sell fewer cameras due to increased competition".
Lenses and so much more make bigger differences than sensors. And that is why about 90% of pros use Canon or Nikon...and Sony just said they are going to sell fewer cameras, Reading the Sony guys talk about their poor skills and inability to understand lighting has been fun.

@RubberDials “man who claimed Canon cameras were greater than the sum of their parts and Sony cameras weren't.”
I never mentioned Sony nor have I made a comparison with Sony or any other brand. Therefore I don’t care answering what factors in Canon cameras make them as good or better than others since you clearly seem biased.

@RubberDials I apologise I misread your comment. Thought you were referring to me. To answer your question and it is of course a relative matter here. I just enjoy using Canon cameras. Ergonomics are spot on for me. I’ve tried Sony and Fuji and Nikon cameras but Canon is the system that I enjoy most and find ease to use. Lens lineup also suits me best.

@Swerky

:) I've come to realise that probably 30% of what I've said on here over the years has been completely misunderstood... Ozturert's comment about me was out of order really, because he knows well that I am not the kind of person he characterised me to be. I think he would probably take the post back if he could.

Obviously I don't have a problem with you choosing Canon for the reasons you've stated - I use Sony for similar reasons.

The sensor debate is about more than DR. Mirrorless cameras use the sensor for AF, AE, EVF and first curtain shutter. There are no secondary systems like in a DSLR. A camera like the A9 doesn't even need a secondary system for the shutter. Urging Canon to do something about its sensors is a priority if you want the company to prosper in the mirrorless world. It's not about knocking them for highlight recovery, although more DR is always better.

I respectfully disagree. They wouldn’t be a leader in the camera world if that were the case

Interesting since Canon is the #1 seller of mirrorless cameras... they're just not the ones you want.

But hey... you keep that narrative going!

Yes, Canon is the worst company which incidentally leads the competition by a good margin (total interchangeable camera market). And incidentally they took the lead in total mirrorless market in Japan already. Next will be, again incidentally, being a leader in FF mirrorless market.
But hey, Canon is the worst.

@cpharm86 - The world leader in restaurant sales is McDonalds

What a load of rubbish, all camera manufacturers release firmware updates, does that mean that they are all broken?
Further it’s great that Sony has released a firmware for the A9, it’s a fabulous camera. However I seriously doubt that the canon board of directors ordered a firmware update because Sony got one.

If you can’t shoot a good image on any of the current FF mirrorless cameras the problem is not the camera.

I think Sony here gets a little too much credits.
They never cared about their customers and never cared over firmware updates they rather brought out a new model over the old model sometimes within month after each other.

Only now after Nikon and Canon have entered the mirrorless market they all of a sudden seem to find 'kaizen' as something they need to do. They saw the succes Fujifilm has with it and needed it to copy it.

@George - You clearly have no clue what Kaizen involves.
No these cameras were NOT broken but got loads of new features while Canon dug in deep into telling people their cameras are perfect and don't need updates. We all know with Canon it is about earning money to release newer models instead of prolonging their lifespan. Only a fool defends Canon for their way of doing business within this market.

They must be loosing marketshare and feel the pressure. That is why they now announce a single feature as something really big trying to create a hype over nothing.

"That is why they now announce a single feature as something really big trying to create a hype over nothing."

They announced an upcoming firmware update, that's all. I see no marketing effort to create a hype, and no claims that it's something really big. Where are you seeing that?
Also, a regional subsidiary published a notice on its website, there wasn't even a press release sent out by Canon corporate HQ.

Didn't Sony pre-announce their firmware update too? And Nikon? What's the difference?

What’s with the phenomena police? It’s awkward in English but is used properly.

It looks like some people discovered the word phenomenon recently. But I have seen this word in firmware update notices for years, and not only from Canon...

To Karroly:
Yeah,,,
The only problem with the word "phenomenon" is that the BUG is not a phenomenon!
And yes, Canon, as well as any other manufacturer, should call bugs the way they are and not try to disguise them under something like:
- God' will
- Mashup
- Surprise behavior! (this is what my car dealership was telling me when trying to explain why rear view camera does not work). Surprize Surprize!
-...

Rensol,
"The only problem with the word "phenomenon" is that the BUG is not a phenomenon! "
Then I rephrase my comment : you should have said this some years ago...