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US bans most electronic devices, including cameras, on flights from eight countries

 Image: Etihad

If you are planning to fly to the US from some Middle-Eastern and African countries and carry camera equipment or other electronics, you should probably have a closer look at the new rules put in place by the Trump Administration on Tuesday. 

Passengers departing from 10 airports in Jordan, Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Morocco, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates won't be allowed to carry on electronic devices larger than a cellphone. This includes laptops, tablets and cameras. 

The new rules took effect at 3 a.m. E.D.T. on Tuesday, and must be followed within 96 hours by foreign airlines flying to the United States from the affected airports – but not US-carriers. It is currently unknown how long the ban will remain in place.

According to Royal Jordanian airlines, medical items are exempt from the ban and banned electronic items can still be transported in checked baggage. Officials estimate that overall 50 daily flights to the US will be affected. Homeland Security says the ban is not based on a threat of an imminent attack.

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shadabkhan

My recent experience traveling from Doha to Boston on Qatar Airways:

I was able to convince the staff screening carry-on baggage at the gate that my lenses (150-600mm Sigma Contemporary) and Sony 16-35 f4 E mount were 'not cameras'. After the baggage went through x-ray the screener immediately alerted a security guy about the presence of a 'video-camera' in my bag. After that, he said put this in the check in luggage. At that point, I opened my bag, took out the big sigma lens, opened both the lens cap and the rear cap and showed it to him that the lens was 'only glass and metal', and that it was 'not a camera'. I insisted that it was not a camera, did not have a battery and emphasized the 'glass and metal only' construction. Without much argument or problem, they agreed and let me carry my lenses with me in the carry-on.

I had put my camera body in the check in. Luggage arrived fine, and cameras were undamaged.

Apr 12, 2017
Lars V

Turns out the reason these limits do not apply to US airlines is they have no direct flights to the US from the airports in question.

Mar 24, 2017
eranical

Unless they have stopped it there used to be a united airlines flight between Dubai and Dulles DC..

Mar 27, 2017
Frank_BR

Just to refresh the memory of those who have forgotten the near-disaster of a year ago:
http://gizmodo.com/terrorist-on-flight-from-somalia-allegedly-hid-bomb-in-1757833127

Mar 24, 2017
mermaidkiller

This will cause a real safety issue.

http://www.flyertalk.com/articles/ban-on-large-electronics-in-cabin-could-have-unintended-catastrophic-consequences.html#comment-12741

Laptops, tablets and cameras with Li batteries in the hold ? When one catches fire, it is much harder to extinguish than when the same battery catches fire in the cabin.
Imagine, that the Note 7 fires which took place on a plane cabin, were in the cargo hold ?

Mar 24, 2017
lanefAU
lanefAU

Exactly, so many volatile lithium-ion batteries in the hold is like many little timed bombs, if one ignites, everything around catches fire, and who will notice that to be able to go down there in time to extinguish the fire before it becomes too big and out of control? Have we not been told so many times, lithium-ion batteries are not allowed in checked in luggage? Go figure.

Mar 26, 2017*
tmy

well, time to travel with a film camera again!

The camera kit will either be damaged due to the "rough" handling by the baggage handlers or else they'll just disappear.

Pack the Pelican and max out on insurance....

air travel is getting funner by the week! admittedly only on these certain flights,

Hopefully they wont be so unreasonable about carrying the lenses in-cabin?

trusting a set of premium f/1.4 primes to baggage handlers would cause a bit of major anxiety...

I wonder how long till all International flights start this?

Mar 24, 2017*
zakk9

And remember: There's a camera in your microwave!

Mar 23, 2017
Team Yeti

Well, one thing is for sure... baggage theft is about to exponentially increase.

Mar 23, 2017
MartinDixon

Without a doubt considering many operators will max out your insurance at about $500. My Manfrotto bag empty was $259 and is usually stuffed with two Canon EOS Mark IVs, numerous L lenses, Metz flash unites and a Macbook Pro. Total replacement: value over $12,000. This is robbery waiting to happen. Someone should do a search on how many people are now applying for baggage handler jobs.

Mar 28, 2017
Mais78

what about lenses? Are they banned as well?

Mar 23, 2017
Franz Weber
Franz Weber

Only very sharp lenses like Leica, Zeiss or some Sigma Art or L lenses.

Mar 26, 2017
Biowizard
Biowizard

So ironic that on the same day as the UK Parliament was debating a similar ban, it was a man in a CAR, in possession of a KNIFE, that caused carnage in London and resulted in a 5-hour lockdown of the city centre.

Brian

Mar 23, 2017
Jaythomasni

This is because terrorists achieved technique to insert bombs with the same density and physical footprint of the battery...it wont be captured in the screening and will look like li Battery

Mar 23, 2017
tinternaut

And will explode whether the device is in the cabin or in the hold...

Mar 23, 2017
Frank_BR

Hand luggage is stored near the fuselage of the airplane. In addition, it can be manipulated by the passenger, who may be a potential terrorist. A small explosive charge in the cabin can easily open a hole in the fuselage and crash the plane, or kill nearby passengers. The same explosion in the cargo compartment is much less likely to knock the plane down. Is this so difficult to understand?

Mar 24, 2017*
Catalyst Shift

@Frank_BR It's not stored near the fuselage, it's stored in the fuselage... just as is all cargo and passengers. Fuselage means main body of the aircraft, as opposed to just the wings. As for a small explosive crashing the plane, this guy Frank_BR (some relation?) posted a link here showing how a plane can still land safely even when there is a hole in the fuselage. If the explosion was big enough to down the plane, yes, it could do that from the cargo hold as well.

However, since this ban affects regular travelers more than terrorists, what about the new safety risks it creates? Putting large electronics in cargo means that there is now a high chance of having many large lithium batteries in the hold. The fire suppression in cargo holds is not effective against lithium fires and the area is not accessible. This ban routinely endangers all travelers, for the supposed benefit of being a minor change for terrorists.

So, what exactly was it you think isn't "so difficult to understand"?

Mar 24, 2017
Frank_BR

Catalyst Shift,
I thought that when I was talking about fuselage, it was clear that I was referring to the fuselage walls. Thanks for the clarification.

About the failed terrorist attack on the flight from Somalia, you can be sure that a disaster didn't happen by pure luck. If the explosion had hit a fuselage beam, the result would be catastrophic, and no one would be questioning the need to take extreme care of flights coming from socially failed countries that are nests of terrorists.

Mar 24, 2017
balios

The media is currently referencing FAA testing that concluded that existing fire suppressing systems are insufficient at stopping lithium battery fires. They are neglecting that this research was done on bulk battery shipments and the conclusion was only in reference to bulk shipments.

Prior to 2016 (when bulk shipments on passenger planes were banned), you might have been flying on a plane with thousands of batteries, packed tightly together on a single pallet, with batteries within millimeters of each other.

The FAA test ignited 5000 batteries in a single cargo pod. The heat from one battery failure set off adjacent batteries, which propagated until the cargo pod exploded.

However, single batteries catching fire should be controlled by the halon system, which sprays the cargo compartment with halon for up to 3 hours, preventing the fire from spreading. Halon will not prevent the heat/flame from the battery, but it will prevents other materials (ie. clothing) from combusting.

Mar 24, 2017
Clara May

If X-ray scanners cannot detect explosives in batteries, call in the sniffer dog or ask the traveller to switch on the laptop. Since camera batteries are removable, why not require only the batteries to be checked in?

Mar 28, 2017*
Jaythomasni

Hawaii and Washinton will get restraining order siting tourism. will say this is a 'muslim tablet ban'... violation of establishment clause

Mar 23, 2017*
Bowerbird

If this ban gets extended to all airlines everywhere (as no one can guarantee which carrier a transit passenger will end up on), will this end up up as a buyers strike for new camera and computer equipment.

Why buy new expensive lenses and camera's if you can't guarantee they will still be in your Check-in baggage on arrival. Dpreview and the whole camera industry must be concerned.

Mar 23, 2017
lanefAU
lanefAU

This is bad news for Duty free shops at the airport, how can you buy electronic equipment at Duty free shops when your check-in luggage is no more with you?

Mar 26, 2017
acidic

Trump is upset with the subsidies these foreign airlines receive from their governments. It makes it difficult for US carriers to compete. This is just a backwards way for Trump and his clown posse to retaliate, with the added benefit of sticking it to Muslim majority countries.

Mar 23, 2017
Pighood

How many muslim countries are there?

Mar 23, 2017
zakk9

There are dozens of Muslim countries, but the ban is only implemented on airports where American airlines don't fly. In other words: to bring your camera as carry-on luggage from these airports, you need to fly via a third country where there are no such restrictions, making it less attractive to fly the very competitive (and subsidised) airlines from the oil rich Middle East countries.

Mar 23, 2017
urix Lukin
urix Lukin

Got it.

It's not about terrorism, it's about lobbyism.

Trump as a businessman thinks only about money.

Mar 23, 2017
zakk9

I visit some of the countries on that list on a regular basis, I'm always treated well and I always feel safe and not least welcome. I don't visit countries that discriminate people based on race, religion or ethnic background, and certainly not to countries that send their soldiers uninvited to other countries to wage wars against them. I guess I'll just continue to travel to the Middle East then. I won't go the the United States anytime soon though. Problem solved.

Mar 23, 2017
Jaythomasni

This nothing to do with those countries...but travelers may be unsafe..
its like few jihadists brought islam into watch list...
how can you blame these western countries where they blasted their cities just because of hate....for that this small steps are nothing to complain about..

do you remember how pleasant air travel was before 9/11 2001...it changed for ever since that...where you have to strip yourself and remove your belt and shoes even you fly to Katmandu.....the pain of security check sounds familiar?....who will you blame...the cat once fell in hot water will fear going near normal water....

Mar 23, 2017*
zakk9

Hijackings of airplanes existed long before 9/11 and security controls as well. The 9/11 flights were supposedly hijacked with box openers, remember?

Last year, it was dangerous to carry those computers with batteries in the checked-in luggage. This year, it's dangerous to have them in the cabin. This has nothing with security to do. The Lockerbie bombing was done with a bomb in the checked in luggage. All you need is a timer.

Mar 23, 2017
iae aa eia
iae aa eia

Good job, Trump! Don't trust Muslims. The ones that are not carrying jihadist attacks, say nothing, do no protest against jihadists, but only against islamophobia. They are dissimulating and dissimulation is sanctioned in Islam (Taqiya). Muslims, Islam, are not welcome in America. Make it clear and loud!

Mar 22, 2017
Juicy6

Same ideas as in 1930 Europe, but then it was about Jews. History repeating itself. Question is if it will repeat as comedy or tragedy. Do you happen to know anything about cameras too?

Mar 23, 2017
Lan

What needs to happen is a complete overhaul of the checked luggage system. It's clear (from the number of items that go missing) that it's not secure at the moment. The idea of luggage just being stuffed on a carousel at the end of the flight and basically relying on the honesty of the public is also poorly thought through IMO. If the system were properly secured, insurance companies would be prepared to cover camera equipment in checked luggage against theft, even if not accidental damage.

As it stands, what they've done is created a no-fly list of countries by stealth, without actually creating a no-fly list - quite cunning really!

Mar 22, 2017
JF69

Trade wars (read: "protectionism") disguised as "security measures"

Mar 22, 2017
new boyz

I hope those countries retaliate by banning Apple products, haha.

Mar 23, 2017
JF69

True :-)
I'd include other "explosive" mobile devices too.

Mar 23, 2017
kiwishamoo

Except the majority of bombings to date have been via checked luggage

Mar 22, 2017
bryPT
bryPT

A lot of expensive gear is never going to make the plane now. A few years ago, I had a friend that decided to check in his camera bag in that was holding over $20k in equipment when flying back to the states from Africa. He arrived in the states but the gear didn't.

Mar 22, 2017
bryPT
bryPT

I had a TSA agent look through my camera bag once and said "I need to check to see if this is an actual camera. Put that big lens on it and let me see it." HUH? Okay. I put my 100-400 on it and he pointed it around and fired off about 20 shots. "Wow, fast. Yep, it is a camera. You are good." I put it back in the bag and went on my way. In my hotel room that night, I was cleaning lenses and checking the bodies and pulled up the photos I had on the card. Scrolling through shots of Arizona... Mountains... Rock formations... Biltmore Hotel ... women's rear end walking through the terminal... WHAT??? The TSA Agent must have known what he was doing because there was about 20 perfectly framed photos of a woman's rear end!!! DAMN HIM!!! It was a good laugh but my wife wouldn't have laughed. :)

Mar 22, 2017
new boyz

He enjoys his work, apparently.

Mar 23, 2017
Jaythomasni

he was testing camera body's rear end...

Mar 23, 2017
Sirandar
Sirandar

Trump may be an idiot, but not everybody who serves him is.

There are very sound reasons for this ban.

Mar 22, 2017
Sirandar
Sirandar

If there was somebody actually steering this ship, laptop manufacturers would have been already legislated worldwide to change their design so that all laptops work without their battery installed and ALL require the same type of plug and DC voltage wattage requirements. They should have all be using the same one or 2 bricks years ago.

An yes you would need to ship batteries to your destination via a cargo plane, and yes the stupendous revenues airports are getting in "tarriffs" should be used to make this cheap.

Don't blame Trump for an entire industry's short sighted-ness.

Mar 22, 2017*
mxx
mxx

Does the ban have to do with exploding batteries, or the possibility of terrorism?

Mar 22, 2017
zakk9

The battery is the part of the computer that can be replaced with explosives.

Mar 23, 2017
mxx
mxx

Thanks, zakk9.

Mar 23, 2017
wilsonlaidlaw

Big payday for baggage handler thieves in the offing. Yes I really want to put two or more Leica bodies and maybe £20,000 worth of lenses into my checked luggage. For a start they are only insured as hand luggage and additionally as hand luggage, I can ensure that the sensors are placed vertically to reduce the risk of getting a dead pixel en route from high energy particles. For Leica, the camera has to go back to the makers to have the sensor remapped if that happens. I have in the past used Emirates or Qatar for all my long distance flights. I do wonder if this is all protectionism driven, from the US and European flag carrier airlines, targeting the middle east carriers, rather than being security based.

Mar 22, 2017
mxx
mxx

Unfortunately it seems theft by baggage handlers is rife all over the world, and this is playing right into their hands.

Mar 22, 2017
Michel Aristegui
Michel Aristegui

There are so many people killed while driving their cars that all this agitation about terrorism is pointless. Not to mention mass shootings.

Mar 22, 2017
acidic

Implementing driving restrictions/ban is politically not viable.
Banning electronics in the cabin of 8 foreign carriers is not.

(not that I disagree with you)

Mar 23, 2017
Suntan

By that logic nobody should bother brushing their teeth...

Mar 23, 2017
Michel Aristegui
Michel Aristegui

White teeth are the best weapon against terrorism. At least according to some logic, though probably not Aristotle's logic.

Mar 23, 2017
mezastel

Oh so NOW people are upset. When companies banned the transportation of large batteries, everyone with an e-bike got screwed overnight. Funny how there wasn't any global outrage back then.

Mar 22, 2017
Tan68
Tan68

It may be fewer people fly with a bicycle battery.

Mar 23, 2017
Teila Day
Teila Day

I'm going to go waaaaay out on a limb and presuppose that more people own and are likely to travel with, a camera as opposed to an e-bike (of all things). But I admit that I'm totally guessing..........

Mar 23, 2017*
Greg OH

Never mind ebikes, or even cameras: almost all business travelers take laptops.

Mar 24, 2017
Teila Day
Teila Day

@Greg OH... You are correct; which is the point. It makes banning electronics larger than a cell phone a strategic thing to ban if the president and or others wanted to impede certain people from certain countries from coming to the U.S.

Mar 25, 2017
StevenN

Many years ago I was going through security at a U.S. airport, and a young woman TSA agent opened my camera bag after it had gone through the scanner. She took out my SLR and tried to twist off the lens. As she struggled with it, she sheepishly smiled at my girlfriend and said, "I don't know anything about these." Needless to say, I was fuming! I finally said to her, "If you break that, you're buying me a new one!!!"

Finally, she let me take off the lens, and then took the body back from me and stared into the mirrorbox chamber, looking for I don't know what. She then handed the camera back to me and said we could go on our way. What a total idiot.

Mar 22, 2017*
(unknown member)

There are thousands of them worldwide working on shifts 24/7

Mar 22, 2017
wilsonlaidlaw

She must have had a relative in Mumbai airport, who insisted on my 1967 Leica M4 being "switched on". It has no internal electrics at all. Luckily the dim security man accepted my pushing the battery check button on the semi coupled Leicameter MR4, which moves the meter needle to the centre position. Duh!

Mar 22, 2017
Favorable Exponynt
Favorable Exponynt

Another random act by the child who is President

Mar 22, 2017
photogeek

The U.K. introduced nearly the same restriction a few days later. So my bet is on: governments know something we don't (yet) but don't want to disclose for fear of ruining airline ticket sales.

Mar 22, 2017
Favorable Exponynt
Favorable Exponynt

The UK is kissing up to Trump for more leverage in the Brexit deal.

Mar 22, 2017*
photogeek

Sure, because "kissing up to Trump" buys you so many brownie points among the European liberal elites. Those are some interesting mental contortions you're going through.

Mar 22, 2017
Najinsky

Most obvious guess is:

A) that some intelligence has surfaced about plans/attempts to use electronic devices as some form of threat.

B) that US airlines are complying with additional background check requests regarding passenger manifests, while some airlines are not, yet.

Anyone know what happens for indirect flights, for example from Thailand but with a stop in Qatar? If the device is allowed to be taken on board in Thailand, but not when re-boarding in Qatar, it could lead to confiscation, which would not be good.

Mar 22, 2017
mermaidkiller

The security check at Doha (or Dubai) is not aware of your final destination as you have to show your boarding pass before standing in the line for the security and not at the time they actually check the carry-on. So one can easily put these forbidden devices on board.

Mar 22, 2017
mxx
mxx

Najinsky:
or C: That Trump became president.

Mar 22, 2017
cosinaphile

if that reddened ape is a child he surely has progeria in addition to narcissistic personality disorder and a fear of all things educational like pbs

Apr 1, 2017
megafolie

Imagine that. Even the pilots won't be able to bring on their tablets, which are now used by 90%+ of them.

Mar 22, 2017
paulbysea

They mention cameras. What about unmounted lenses? I think a body wrapped well will probably be OK in checked luggage, a lens I think is more delicate and the bouncing around bags get is more of an issue for them. So I would like DPR to investigate whether the US and UK ban includes lenses or not.

Mar 22, 2017
Erciro

I second that.

Mar 22, 2017
FlatBattery

I had an airport security man demand to take my lense (in a lense bag) out of the camera bag so he could examine it closely in case it was an explosive device, so I should think the ban incudes lenses, I'm glad I shan't be flying from any of the countries on the list.

Mar 22, 2017
Lan

If you think your camera body will arrive at the destination, you're an optimist of the highest order. No insurance that I'm aware of covers putting your camera in the checked luggage either.

Mar 22, 2017
RolliPoli

This discussion brings to mind an editorial I read in Shutterbug magazine quite a number of years ago. The writer told a long, sad and expensive tale of having photographic gear stolen while it travelled as checked luggage with a major air carrier. The bottom line was that the customer rep. for this 'big time' operation told the author that he shouldn't put anything in their checked luggage that he really expected to see again.

Mar 23, 2017
paulbysea

@Lan After 911 when we were limited to small bags I kept my lenses in my hand luggage and camera body in hold luggage on numerous flights and it was always there at the destination. I think theft from baggage is exaggerated and with increase security baggage will likely be under cctv supervision much of the time to prevent people putting things in bags. I am much more concerned about damage than theft.

Mar 23, 2017
Lan

@paulbysea: I have two different friends who've had consumer electronics stolen from their locked checked bags here in the UK. In places with higher crime rates and lower CCTV saturation it rapidly becomes a lottery I wouldn't want to take part in ;)

Mar 23, 2017
paulbysea

@Lan, Well that is an indictment of the UK baggage handlers. I have flown across Far East, Australia and Africa with items not touched. Also how many friends have flown with valuables in checked bags and not had them stolen. People usually only remark on bad experiences so you won't know about all the people who have done it without loss. Plus if you are flying and want to take your camera gear etc with you it is a risk you have to take. It is not always possible to hire gear you want or need at your destination. I travel a fair amount and always have a camera and lenses with me, part of the experience is photographing places and things I don't get to shoot at home so not having a camera is not an option.

Mar 24, 2017
Lan

@paulbysea: Agreed on all points. I'm certainly not planning to leave my camera and lenses at home either! I may change my transport choices though, if this continued security theatre carries on the way it's going. It is only theatre IMO, and that's the really annoying thing.

Mar 24, 2017
Photog74

"The new rules took effect at 3 a.m. E.D.T. on Tuesday, and must be followed within 96 hours by foreign airlines flying to the United States from the affected airports – but not US-carriers."

Just a thinly veiled act of protectionism, then. Has nothing to to do with security.

Mar 22, 2017
Badbatz

Photog74:
NO US CARRIER FLIES DIRECTLY TO THE USA FROM THE LISTED AIRPORTS.
That's why there are no US carriers on the list.

Yeah, because of the ban some people might pick other airlines and other routes (perhaps even on the US carriers) but the vast majority will not, so I fail to see how this is "protectionism."

Mar 22, 2017
Raintitan
Raintitan

Exactly. Now someone nefarious just needs to get a connecting flight from another country.

Mar 22, 2017
peter2013

"Now someone nefarious just needs to get a connecting flight from another country."

Nah, the bad guys would never think of that.

Mar 22, 2017
BeaverTerror
BeaverTerror

@Badbatz

Make local airlines undesirable to their customers, especially high dollar paying business class customers flying out of regional mega hubs such as Dubai, and thereby create an opening for previously non competitive US airlines to introduce new profitable routes.

"I fail to see..."

Yes, we are sure you fail to see a lot of things. Tell us something we don't know.

Mar 23, 2017*
Daniel L

Relax, photographers. Microwave is not on the list.

Mar 22, 2017
Jeff Peterman
Jeff Peterman

Are spare Lithium batteries included in the ban? If so, this will be a big problem because they are not allowed in checked bags. If not, then the item most likely to be dangerous will still be allowed in the cabin (the "Samsung" problem can easily be induced on purpose!).

Mar 22, 2017
rrccad

this is my question, what do we do with lithium batteries for our laptops, cameras,etc .. does this mean we can't bring them at all?

Mar 22, 2017
parakalien

That's a load of poo. I'll be flying back to the US from Istanbul Turkey in April coming back from shooting a documentary. I don't want to check $10,000+ work of camera gear so it can get lost of broken!

Mar 22, 2017
Jeff Peterman
Jeff Peterman

Just make sure that you change planes in a country not on the list and there won't be a problem - this only covers direct flights.

Mar 22, 2017
MayaTlab0
MayaTlab0

Contries not currently on the list may implement similar procedures on a short notice unfortunately.

Mar 22, 2017
Teila Day
Teila Day

Then pay the money to ship the gear fully insured (should be insured anyway). If you're working for a company, let corporate worry about it.

Mar 23, 2017
megafolie

So electronic devices will no longer be able to enter the cabin even though there are security barriers for all passengers. What I understand is that electronic devices will always be able to go into baggage compartments, where there are less security measures? Hmm.........

Mar 22, 2017
Erciro

Security screening is not less. It is more at checked in luggage. The x-ray machine is a lot more powerful. Hence the warning for undeveloped film would be damaged.

Mar 22, 2017
rialcnis

Self absorbed sheep, blaming Trump, really have no clue.

What the EU has done is self-destruction/suicide and sheep live in la la land, what an inconvenience!

Soon you won't be allowed cameras because they steal your soul or offend.

Mar 22, 2017*
bakhtyar kurdi

Hope someone will listen to this:
Muslims are 1/4 of the world, from each 4 on this planet, one is Muslim.
Now radicals like ISIS try to kill largest number of people, kill who? basically anyone lives outside their state, regardless of their religion, or anyone inside their state that doesn't follow %100 their legislation, now we have to stop this craziness, but how?
Of course the best way is to stop spreading their ideology among other Muslims, and to do that we have to find out who is spreading it, it is simple, Saudi Arabia has spent around 40 trillion dollars in last half century to spread Wahhabizm, that is the mother of all terrorist groups around the world, now every city or town on this planet has one or more mosques belong to them that spread this cancer, not only that, but fight, or even assassinate anyone thinks differently about Islam, so millions of people have been hired by them to turn normal Muslims to possible terrorists.

Mar 22, 2017
bakhtyar kurdi

Sorry I have to continue, so there is an army of millions of imams that supported and paid by Saudi Arabia,plus millions of books that you find in every single town and city on this planet belongs to them, on the other hand there is only a few people with very limited resources that spread the real Islam (less than 10 people all around the world) those 10 people face that huge army, if you want to stop terrorism, support them, whatever your nationality or religion is, Ahmad Subhi Manour lives in USA :http://www.ahl-alquran.com/arabic/profile.php?main_id=1
ِِِAdnan Ibrahim, lives in Austria
Muhammad Shahrur : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Shahrur
Also: Adnan Alrifai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Al-Rifaey
That is the proper way, thanks for reading and following the truth.

Mar 22, 2017
ozturert

"Smart" way to keep businessmen away from USA.

Mar 22, 2017
Corkcampbell
Corkcampbell

So, it doesn't apply to women?

Mar 22, 2017
Michel Aristegui
Michel Aristegui

Hopefully 'man' and 'he' will always remain generic. This is grammar.

Mar 22, 2017*
ozturert

Corkcampbell, do you really have so much free time?

Mar 22, 2017
Michel Aristegui
Michel Aristegui

@ ozturert
This is what I meant. Thank you.

Mar 22, 2017*
JohnS9

The restriction on carry on luggage into the UK does not include most cameras at present.

https://www.gov.uk/hand-luggage-restrictions/electronic-devices-and-electrical-items

Mar 22, 2017
iainlea
iainlea

Was looking at a US/Canada/Mexico/Hawaii shooting trip this year but due to the constant changes and new requirements with flying we will now plan a number of extended roadtrips here in europe and take a look at island hopping in asia.

The US has great locations and beautiful landscape but so do other countries. At the end of the day we will spend our income in a more welcoming environment.

I am pretty sure other countries tourist departments will try and capitalize on this situation and that can only be good for people looking for good deals.

Mar 22, 2017
katastrofa

Indeed, I always look with envy at wildlife & nature photos US people do, but then think about all the hoopla I would need to get through in order to visit USA, all the unpleasantness of the admission process to "Fortress America"... and prefer to go elsewhere.

Mar 22, 2017
gustabod

Please come to Tasmania instead, friendly place, no bans, bring all the cameras you want and go wherever you like with spectacular landscapes and adventure experiences. We need the tourists!

Mar 22, 2017
Daniel L

if you want landscape, Iceland would be a better place to be.

Mar 22, 2017
katastrofa

@gustabod

I added it to my "places to visit" list :)

Mar 22, 2017
stefpix

I live in the US. another issue is that there is a little public land, you can not trespass much of private property, access to beaches / coastlines is often severely restricted to non residents (at least in NY state, VT and California are different). Often you are restricted to boardwalks. I remember when I went to Iceland I could walk up to the geysers at my own risk, and no fences in Ireland at the cliffs of Mohair.
There are exceptions like in the Adirondacks, but generally nature is more accessible without having to pay fees in Europe.
In the US private property often trumps public access. Out on the west coast it may be less true than on the East coast.

Mar 22, 2017
Steven Lungley

Can't go wrong with Canada. Great cities, plus an unbelievable amount of natural space.

Mar 22, 2017
peter2013

Some of the best places for wildlife are also the most dangerous (not from the wildlife but from homo Sapiens). I'm planning a trip to Africa now and crime, terrorism, and corruption are bigger threats than being eaten by a lion. But the photographic opportunities there are unmatched anywhere in the world.

Mar 22, 2017
mxx
mxx

And Africa also has a few places worthy of visiting.

Mar 22, 2017*
katastrofa

@mxx

I would love to visit Africa, but I'm scared of malaria (and side effects of anti-malaria drugs).

Mar 23, 2017
Fakultativ

My first trip to the USA in 2008: had to scan both thumbs and have a digital picture taken upon immigration.

Visit in 2010: had to scan all fingers on both hands and have a digital picture taken.

Visit in 2012: no change.

Now this.

Soon we'll only be allowed to fly there naked or wrapped in transparent plastic.

Welcome to prison.

Mar 22, 2017
mermaidkiller

Indeed.
Avoid the US as long as that lunatic is in the White House if you can.

Luckily I can. Lots of other nice places in the world to see (and photograph).

Mar 22, 2017
Michael Engelen
Michael Engelen

America first: either you enter the US by car (from Canada NOT from Mexico of course) or you need to rent/buy your photographic equipment on location if you want to take pictures of the US National Parks or US cities. ==> US sites for US photographers.
Yes, I know, it's a bit over the point what I write here, but in a way it's just what POTUS declared when he became president.

Mar 22, 2017
Peiasdf

@Fakultativ
Trump wasn't president in 2008, 2010 nor 2012. Security policy is built on previous policies, they don't exist in vacuum.

Mar 22, 2017
mxx
mxx

I still have not forgiven that guy at the Miami airport who confiscated my three apples in 1998.

Mar 22, 2017
User9180204109
User9180204109

To Sarah Terra. I live in Australia. I am not a muslim. I have a British name. I have never even been accused of a crime, let alone convicted. I have never belonged to any political party. I work as a professional, I hope helping save peoples lives. I have travelled to the US many times. Increasingly, however, I find travel there, through your security etc system unpleasant at best, frightening at worst. In 2009, on arriving at LAX, simply because the finger print computer was a bit slow that morning (official explanation after the incident) I was pulled aside, put in a room and told (along with others) we were "all bad people" by the official in charge. So NO, MY PEOPLE ARE NOT THE PROBLEM, you and US people like you are the problem, at least in part.

Mar 22, 2017
iainlea
iainlea

@SarahTerra we got us a redneck in da house ? take your small minded views somewhere else... think about this one: in a few years the US could well be "America 1st" in the queue... but other countries/friends/partners could have moved onto another queue.

Mar 25, 2017*
iainlea
iainlea

@SarahTerra if you think the name "I A I N" is muslim and everyone that does not agree with your shortsighted, arrogant and racist views are a danger to your country then i understand why you never finished secondary education and have surrounded yourself by like minded individuals.

And yes we decided to give the US a miss in 2017... maybe in 2018 everything has calmed down.

Anyway we booked a 3 week vacation in the Maldives (google it girl... 1200 little islands surrounded by a lot of water called the indian ocean)... so while you are living it up at the trailer park we will be chilling... byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyybyyyy.

Mar 26, 2017
iainlea
iainlea

@SarahTerra whats my dollar worth? I would say the same as yours love... a $ is a $ is a $... everytime you comment here I actually downgrade how many years you attended school by 1 year... my friends 9 year old has more world awareness than you do and I am being very generous to you.

Apr 10, 2017
iainlea
iainlea

@SarahTerra why do you keep thinking i am Muslim? you are simply a rabid racist lol... we just got back from 3 weeks visiting the Maldives (google it) and as I stated above we will not be visiting the US this year... so your redneck trailerpark lifestyle is safe ;-)

Apr 14, 2017
iainlea
iainlea

@SarahTerra are you now saying that europe, the uk and germany included are the 3rd world (if you are having problems finding europe then google it) ?

this discussion started out concerning new and constantly changing rules being applied by the US to incoming flights... and what effect that could have on pro photographers bringing in expensive equipment ie. not many people would be happy checking dslr to baggage etc.

you have taken the discussion in a totally different direction and have offended numerous people with your whitetrash redneck trailerpark mentality... but hey i and other people dont care if your brother, ya daddy, ya uncle and ya cousin are all called rufus... trash will be trash will be trash girl.

have a great weekend and i will be checking if you hit the top 10 list at "people of wallmart" (google it and see what a great place you have lol)

Apr 15, 2017
iainlea
iainlea

@SarahTerra you are totally resistant to the basic facts... and you really are dumber than bubba at the trailerpark.

btw. you can keep sprouting your verbal racist and uninformed garbage... i view it as helping you come to terms with your mental health issues...

Apr 20, 2017
iainlea
iainlea

@SarahTerra you seem to think everyone who does not live in the US is 1. a muslim 2. a terrorist. Your pinhole view of the world and its people is truly shocking! you should have paid a lot more attention at school and travelled more. Now it appears to be too late and you have become a full bore racist and bigot. You a sad specimen of a "human" being...

May 2, 2017
iainlea
iainlea

LOL... you are so immune to understanding the simplest of explanations!

I guess even rednecks walk away from converstions with you thinking that your family roots stayed firmly planted in 1st cousin or less when it came to the genepool.

To recap... I am English and have nothing todo with Islam or any other religion.

Even your commander in "chef" lol is no longer in the US... he had to get away from temperature room IQ voters like yourself... and is visiting Europe as i write this... how he got in I have no idea LOL

Have a good night with uncle rufus and don't forget to clean the rifle in ya pickup gal!

May 25, 2017
iainlea
iainlea

LOL... you are so immune to understanding the simplest of explanations!

I guess even rednecks walk away from converstions with you thinking that your family roots stayed firmly planted in 1st cousin or less when it came to the genepool.

To recap... I am English and have nothing todo with Islam or any other religion.

Keep sprouting your verbal racist and uninformed garbage... i view it as helping you come to terms with your mental health issues...

Jun 10, 2017
iainlea
iainlea

Lady you are one _sick_ person.

You have been informed in numerous messages in this thread that:

1. i am english
2. i am not religeous but was christened church of england
3. i live in europe and not the middle east

Even though these points have been mentioned numerous times you still manage to change the facts to fit your fictional view of the world which has numerous countries and is not just the US.

You need to seek personal help ASAP for your mental state... seek help before you do something wrong and regret it.

I send my best wishes to your family and friends at the trailer park who have to live with your fantasies day in day out.

ps. please seek help for your mental state Sarah... best for all of us. Bye.

Jun 11, 2017*
iainlea
iainlea

You have been informed in numerous messages in this thread that:

1. i am english
2. i am not religeous but was christened church of england
3. i live in europe and not the middle east

Even though these points have been mentioned numerous times you still manage to change the facts to fit your fictional view of the world which has numerous countries and is not just the US.

You need to seek personal help ASAP for your mental state... seek help before you do something wrong and regret it.

I send my best wishes to your family and friends at the trailer park who have to live with your fantasies day in day out.

ps. please seek help for your mental state Sarah... best for all of us. Bye.

Jun 12, 2017
iainlea
iainlea

@Sarah Terra - what I am truly hoping is that you eventually see how far your mental and moral compass has drifted from a normal and sane society.

Please check yourself into a mental asylum before you do people who do not agree with your fact resistant sick views of the world are harmed.

ps. and clean the floor up after your foaming mouth drooled all over it ;-)

Jun 13, 2017
iainlea
iainlea

@Sarah Terra - what I am truly hoping is that you eventually see how far your mental and moral compass has drifted from a normal and sane society.

Please check yourself into a mental asylum before you do people who do not agree with your fact resistant sick views of the world are harmed.

Jun 15, 2017
iainlea
iainlea

@Sarah Terra - what I am truly hoping is that you eventually see how far your mental capacity and state has drifted from an expected norm for a sane society.

Please check yourself into a mental asylum before you do people who do not agree with your fact resistant sick views of the world are harmed.

Jun 28, 2017
iainlea
iainlea

@Sarah Terra I am certainly not a bot. I am just a normal person who does not let bigoted and racist people have there own way...

You need to understand that the world is a lot bigger and complexer than the old TV in your trailer at uncle rufus's trailer park wants you to believe.

Take your medication girl

Jun 28, 2017
iainlea
iainlea

As I have stated _numerous_ times please seek help and let them prescribe the correct medication for you to protect us all from you and your sick views!

Jul 24, 2017
Peiasdf

I am going to guess NYTimes have updated its article because DPReview's article is a baseless clickbait.

The first two paragraphs from NYTimes:
WASHINGTON — Intelligence showing that the Islamic State is developing a bomb hidden in portable electronics spurred the United States and Britain on Tuesday to bar passengers from airports in a total of 10 Muslim-majority countries from carrying laptop computers, iPads and other devices larger than a cellphone aboard direct inbound flights, two senior American counterterrorism officials said.

Two additional American officials said the explosives were designed to be hidden in laptop batteries. All four spoke on condition of anonymity as they were not authorized to publicly discuss the sensitive information.

Mar 22, 2017
EskeRahn
EskeRahn

It has apparently been updated yes.
The originally version emphasized that it was non us-carriers only ("Foreign Airlines"), in header and first lines of text...

see e.g. https://web.archive.org/web/20170321161443/https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/21/us/politics/tsa-ban-electronics-laptops-cabin.html

Mar 22, 2017*
ozturert

You can build an army with incredible weapons in US, just from a supermarket. Why would these guys bother to store tiny bombs in tiny laptop batteries?

Mar 22, 2017
Entropy512

And if your target is the flight itself - putting the device in checked baggage avoids that whole pesky martyr thing.

Terrorists have been doing timers since Lockerbie (or beforehand).

http://www.pcmag.com/commentary/352511/ - this is about trade, not safety.

Mar 22, 2017
Daniel L

When i read about the Al-what-fccuk has invented laptop sized c5 and US is banning those items from carry in but they don't mind you checking in..... What? Well then, that sounds like a safe bet not to get your plane detonated in the mid air.

Mar 22, 2017
peter2013

" the explosives were designed to be hidden in laptop batteries"

So how is putting them in the hold going to make them any safer? Bombs in the luggage hold have taken down airliners before, e.g., Lockerbie, Air India 182, etc.

Mar 22, 2017
photogeek

Don't be injecting rational comments in an otherwise irrational virtue signaling thread. The proper narrative is to blame Trump for everything.

Mar 22, 2017
mxx
mxx

With our luck the explosives will also fit in cellphones.

Mar 22, 2017
User9180204109
User9180204109

Slight correction to a previous post: It appears for at least some airlines it may be allowed, subject to airline approval (i.e. not automatic if >100 Wh capacity) to carry a device such as a camera in checked baggage with a battery in the camera (up to 160 Wh) providing the battery does not exceed a certain capacity (160 Wh), but spare batteries are definitely still banned.

Mar 22, 2017
User9180204109
User9180204109

It might also affect the market for cameras, forcing everyone to use only mobile phones (until they, too, are banned).

Mar 22, 2017
sh10453
sh10453

It's not all about security. There is an alternative explanation, as the Washington Post put it.
When our airlines can't compete, they go whining and crying at Trump's lap for protection:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/03/21/trump-wont-allow-you-to-use-ipads-or-laptops-on-certain-airlines-heres-the-underlying-story/?utm_term=.3b64cab2cc38

Mar 22, 2017
User9180204109
User9180204109

Certainly this will help US airlines and disadvantage Middle East airlines, in the short term, but retaliation is likely, so all will eventually be caught in this net.

There is "evidence", apparently, that there is a new risk from carry-on electronics, but better screening and airport control might be a wiser response. The index case in "evidence" appears to be from Somalia and the laptop with bomb was handed to the bomber (by whom & how), allegedly, AFTER they had passed through security screening, so if they then hid this in a small bag, how would the new ban prevent such an event? (Answer; it wouldn't)

Mar 22, 2017
Michel Aristegui
Michel Aristegui

Let's hope those rules, protecting American companies, will be limited to the US. And why would I go to the US? There's so much to see in Europe!

Mar 22, 2017
Barbu

Because no terrorist would ever use american airlines airplanes... Oh wait.

Mar 22, 2017
Calvin Chann
Calvin Chann

What I don't get is that surely all passengers go through the same security at the source airport so which airline they fly is irrelevant, or am I wrong? I generally don't fly on US airlines unless I have no choice.

Mar 22, 2017
User9180204109
User9180204109

The latest information via my travel agent indicates that transit passengers will be affected, so if flying from Australia (or anywhere else), via Dubai, DOHA etc, to the USA or UK, you will have to check in all your devices (including cameras, laptops, iPads etc) before your board in Australia. Of course, you cannot put batteries in checked baggage, so you will need to leave all camera batteries back home and buy new ones on arrival.

I think for most keen photographers, this means the end of global travel, at least to the US & UK, but possibly everywhere if these regulations are adopted by other countries and, by extension, for other airports.

It probably won't help the share price of airlines, starting with the big Middle East carriers (Emirates, Ethiad, Qatar), but may increase the value of private business jet companies.

I am sure we all want to feel safe when flying, but surely there is a better solution than this new ban?

Mar 22, 2017
King Penguin
King Penguin

It will also affect the bucket airlines passing through these airports as now people will have to pay for hold baggage, etc.

Mar 22, 2017
Michel Aristegui
Michel Aristegui

Many of my film cameras may work without batteries. The problem is we can't use film because of X-rays ...

Mar 22, 2017
Martin Zimelka
Martin Zimelka

Looks like Qatar is not part of the UK ban, so flying via Qatar is fine. UAE is also not on the list.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/21/exclusive-britain-poised-follow-us-ban-laptops-ipads-flights/

I'm flying to the UK next month from Namibia, and somehow I'm still distrusting.

Mar 22, 2017*
mxx
mxx

"Of course, you cannot put batteries in checked baggage, so you will need to leave all camera batteries back home and buy new ones on arrival."

I knew my AA battery driven Pentax K-m would come in handy one day!

Mar 22, 2017
Vahab

I think the reason is that these devices have liquid crystal in their displays, and liquids are not allowed on board. Only US customs have realized that.

Mar 22, 2017*
AnDiHo

Seriously?

Mar 22, 2017
King Penguin
King Penguin

The human male body is on average is 60% liquid, females 55% liquid......therefore perhaps we should all be banned from flying as we don't meet the regulations:)

Mar 22, 2017
Drive
Drive

Rebranding to DeliberatePoliticalReview.com anytime soon?

Mar 22, 2017
Jeff Peterman
Jeff Peterman

The issue is only for direct flights from those countries, so it doesn't affect any US airlines - unless they stop in the UK.

I stopped flying with Virgin Atlantic a decade ago because their carry on weight limit (imposed after 9/11) was too low to allow me to carry on my camera gear and computer. I wouldn't trust packing either in my checked bags - because of the damage and theft risks. I travel all over the world for work, but fortunately not to any of the specified countries: I have considered flying Emirate Airlines to Asia (they have a great reputation), but now the will not be on my list.

Mar 22, 2017
Corkcampbell
Corkcampbell

Love Emirates and their A380s. I have some trips planned and the airline's route system doesn't fit into these plans. But, if it did, I would just deal with these new restrictions; after all, it's obvious that it will probably spread to other airlines and governments and may just become the norm.

Mar 22, 2017*
peter2013

"I would just deal with these new restrictions"
Since this is DPReview let's assume you're a serious photographer, so how would you "deal with them"? I travel with a pair of DSLR's (two D800's). Should I put them in my checked luggage? What if they grow legs there?

Mar 22, 2017
PentUp

As an Aussie I'm worried... personally I wouldn't trust the pig knuckle dumb customs officers in the US or the UK to know the difference between Qatar and Qantas...

Mar 22, 2017
The Aussie Viking
The Aussie Viking

My last trip to the US was in 2003, and the TSA morons were searching through the luggage in Washington DC Airport with pieces of dowel and jabbing. I just couldn't believe it. And they obviously found their target, when I got to Seattle, I found they had managed to bump my Olympus C2000 on, extending it's barrel, and broken it so it was at about a 20 degree angle, and I had to buy a new camera to continue.

Mar 22, 2017
dsut4392

Not looking forward to this spreading AT ALL due to the restrictions on laptops & iPads, but from a photographic perspective, this won't cause me much pain. I haven't pulled out my SLR on a plane for years, and you only need to check the _body_ on flights _inbound_ to US/UK. Unless you're shooting a niche system most camera bodies are quickly and easily replaceable in any of the destinations you'll be arriving into from one of the affected hubs, in the very, very unlikely event your bags go missing or contents are stolen. [I acknowledge that back in my student days with no credit card, replacing a camera body would have been non-trivial].

Mar 22, 2017
Kharan
Kharan

Lucky you.

Mar 22, 2017
trungtran

I agree Cameras are just tools. When I lose my hammer, I just go buy another one.

People need to learn to live within their means. If you can't afford to lose it then find another hobby.

You would think some people are checking in their first born based on these comments.

I have zero issues checking in my laptop and camera. Pack it well, use good luggage and get insurance.

Keep the memory cards and backup drive with you.

Mar 22, 2017
dbateman

I just think lensrentals and similar are now going to see a lot more business. There are photographers whom dont own any camera system. Just rent what they need when arrive.

Mar 22, 2017
paulrfarrington

Backup drives are electronic devices larger than the size restriction. It'll be interesting to see whether one can take them in carry-on luggage!

Mar 22, 2017
Michel Aristegui
Michel Aristegui

@ trungtran
> People need to learn to live within their means.
> If you can't afford to lose it then find another hobby.

I've just realized I shouldn't have bought a house. I can't afford to lose it.

Mar 22, 2017
peter2013

"People need to learn to live within their means. If you can't afford to lose it then find another hobby. "

I do wildlife photography. I shoot with pro gear. The places I travel to don't HAVE B&H photo stores on the edge of the rain forest or savannah. If my gear is stolen it's not the financial cost that's the problem.

Mar 22, 2017
trungtran

@Michel Aristegui

wow you must be a rich boy buying all these houses as a hobby, hope you have insurance, you never know when a dodgy baggage handler might steal your house from right under your nose.

@Peter2013

If you are a pro, then make other flight arrangements. Stop over in Asia or Europe on the way back. Its a small inconvenience for added security.

Mar 22, 2017
mxx
mxx

"most camera bodies are quickly and easily replaceable"

Nice to flaunt your wealth like this, but for many of us others, a camera body is a large investment, and we can't afford to replace it willy nilly.

But I guess that's just our mistake for not living in an affluent country where lavish lifestyles abound and everyone can buy just what he wants when he wants it, no matter the cost.

Mar 22, 2017
Michel Aristegui
Michel Aristegui

@ trungtran
You compared losing cameras and lenses with losing a hammer.
I compared losing cameras and lenses with losing a house.
This is the same nonsense. But there's a difference between us. I know it's nonsense.

Mar 23, 2017
dsut4392

@mxx, by the mere fact one is travelling on an intercontinental flight, or buying a DSLR, one is already 'wealthy' beyond the wildest dreams of most people on this planet.
But what I really meant was that you don't actually need to be able to afford a new camera body, only to afford to carry the debt on a credit card until you are reimbursed by travel insurance. If you're travelling to the US in particular, you can't afford _not to have_ travel insurance.

May 17, 2017
dsut4392

@peter2013, as I said "you only need to check the _body_ on flights _inbound_ to US/UK". The new rules won't stop you carrying your gear in the cabin on your outbound flights (at least until the plague spreads further).

May 17, 2017
GodSpeaks
GodSpeaks

This is the thin edge of the wedge. How long before this ban is made worldwide?

Mar 22, 2017
PTSC

Does anyone have link to the actual uk government issued ban text. I would like to confirm exactly what is and what is not included.
For example my song a7r2 is smaller that the stipulated dimensions of 16cm x 9cm but thicker than the listed 1.5cm. Does this means it's allowed?
Where's the official government law ruling?

Mar 22, 2017
mandm

If only there was a way to say 'uk electronics ban Government Statement' and the site below appears!
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/additional-airline-security-measures-on-some-routes-travelling-to-the-uk

Mar 22, 2017
PTSC

Many thanks!
Happy to see that the Brits at least decided not to extend the ban to cameras and other electronics items...

Mar 22, 2017
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