The Sony Cyber-shot RX100 VI, is a 1"-type compact camera with a 20.1-megapixel Exmor RS stacked CMOS sensor and a 24-200mm equivalent F2.8-4.5 zoom lens. We've been shooting with one since it was announced yesterday, and have prepared a brief overview video from the launch event in New York.
This RX100VI is my "wish come true" camera! I'm still using my RX100, regardless of all RX100xx that came after, because I was wishing for a longer reach. Now it finally came and got all the bells & whistles of the in-between models! Actually the RX100 is my companion for the A7II and A7RII systems I have. Now the price..., although I believe I may sell the A7II and some lenses ( I have too many ). I plan in buying the RX100VI by september, after it's been thoroughly reviewed and tested by many!
If you do slide shows like I do with my RX100M4, I only need 8mb (3840x2160 resolution of the UHDTV). That gives me an effective zoom of around 100mm using the lens at 70mm. Yet I maintain the aperture at f/2.8. If I'm displaying 3:2, I can an effective zoom of 120mm when the lens is at 70mm, also maintaining f/2.8. If you display on a 2K 1080 HDTV or on the web at those lower pixel resolutions, you can more than double or triple the zoom of the 70mm. One caveat. If you use the edges of the picture for the zoom, you may lose some sharpness. But if you zooming into the middle of the file, I doubt if anyone can see any sharpness drop off on the UHDTV or computer web page or smartphone. Of course, you lose out on this method if you print. But if you use the result like I do with UHDTV slide shows or the web, the old series should be sufficient as you can increase the zoom in post. And you don't give up the 2.8.
A second caveat is that if you are shooting movies at 4K, you cannot do this. However, if you can get by with 1080 video clips, then you can zoom up to double in post.
Really wish they would work on getting the size down rather than unnecessary extra zoom distance. I'd love it to be truly pants pocketable to be the camera I always have on me.
Strange, I have no problem fitting my RX100V into my standard jeans pockets. Do you wear tight pants? Make the camera any smaller and you won't be able to hold it. 😊
The Panasonic has something similar with a longer lens. The previous Sony RX100 Mark V is a better camera. Where something with a longer lens like the Sony or the Panasonic is travelling lightweight with family and kids and you happen to be at the zoo or at a venue with dolphins etc etc ... Maybe viewing Niagara Falls from a boat.
But again if you are wanting a more serious camera, this may not be it. And if cost wasn't a factor wouldn't we all prefer to shoot medium format digital. Esp mirrorless medium format.
When will DP'er stop stating " The best camera is the one you have with you"... we get it. No camera=no photo. In compact camera reviews big=bad-weight/pocket size. In DSLR reviews big cameras=lens choices/back problems=get over it. #toolsofthetrace Shoot in peace...
The thing with this compact is the lens quality and the pocketability- you also need a small pouch to stop dust getting in the lens system... The original RX100 is still available from amazon at £320 ish which is the price I got mine a couple of years ago. I gave up carting Nikons about a few years ago- the best camera is the one you have on you, not one stuck in a cupboard. Another thing is the end usage...where are your images going to end up- not printed to 12 x 10 I'll bet.
Yes, I am an Octopus, or so my wife opines, and this Sony is grabbing my attention for one reason; I have waited too long for Ricoh to update the GR. Ricoh's speculated announcement in September had better be good.. This puppy ticks my boxes for the street.
I am also looking forward, hopeful that the GRIII will come out with something like a 24-100 (full frame equivalent).. much the same size, possibly slightly larger grip (larger battery).
Yep, surprising that Ricoh hasn't updated the GR. While the GR produces superior detail (in fact I'd say the best ever seen on a Bayer sensor for a set amount of pixels or at 1:1) than the RX100 series of cameras, even after downsizing the Sony images, the noise is pretty bad on that older sensor on the GR. The smaller and newer Sony sensor does much better, as crazy as that sounds. I love my tiny little Sony RX100 V. I miss the amazing detail of my Sigma DP Merrill camera's but at my age I want something I can always have in any normal pocket. A camera I can always have with me. Can't do that with a Ricoh GR or my Sigma DP camera's.
Who cares? I'm a professional shooter and when I need video I use a real video camera. There are a bazillion solid P&S models like this one. I see absolutely nothing extraordinary in the samples shown. Nothing at all. The bokeh looks horrible and the optics are slow. This camera has "consumer grade" written all over it. Any small DSLR will deliver better IQ and versatility and those will fit in the same bag.
dr. Jim, I'd rather be arrogant than rude and petty. My comments are about the camera, not YOU. You're so small and insecure that my comments about a camera you don't own actually led to you making it personal. Can you imagine such behavior from anyone but a child?
Totally accurate. The sensor in a D5500 is superior and you can use FAR better glass. Let's not get silly. I can put Zeiss or ART glass on a low end DSLR and it'll blow the baby Sony away in every respect relevant to IQ. The baby Sony's main selling point is the SIZE. That's it. Beyond that you can buy a much better camera for the same money; but it'll be bigger. If you think the Sony can match a DSLR or larger mirrorless, you are seriously misinformed.
At base ISO, it easily hangs with some Canon FF, which shows how terrible Canon is. Not to make it too one sided against Canon, I also threw in the Nikon D5, plus the A7R III as the benchmark camera. ;)
I own a tiny Ricoh GRII, which has a sharper lens than the Sony. So I understand the value of the Sony RX100 so far as size goes. But my Ricoh, legendary as it is, doesn't get much use. I'm a professional shooter, but even on a casual outing I like to have the better camera with me. Even my little Ricoh travels in a small bag. The thing is this: The D5500 fits in the SAME bag. Certainly there are situations where the Sony or my tiny Ricoh are a good idea...but 95% of the time I'd rather skip the compromises.
Plus I can't get involved with someone going low and calling my shots mediocre while he has nothing to show. I get paid for my work. None of that matters though as it's a kids move to bash someones work. Bottom line is that Sony has a very expensive P&S camera, but it's also very limited. Small sensor, slow optics, poor handling. Good for some, but a poor value for many to say the least. Fanboys will defend it, but it's just another camera.
"I own a tiny Ricoh GRII, which has a sharper lens than the Sony."
Well, it's a completely different kind of P&S. Prime lens, so vastly superior IQ and a faster aperture are a piece of cake to implement, AND a much larger, lower resolution sensor, which definitely makes getting sharp images easier.
"I'm a professional shooter, but even on a casual outing I like to have the better camera with me."
Same here. My RX100 basically stays in the car as a backup in case something interesting/unplanned pops up, and I don't have my main cameras with me. I have the I (had the IV, but the lens was too short), and the VI seems ideal for how I shoot, as even 100mm feels short to me. Works wonders for macro with a Raynox 250, though!
100% competitive with the rest of the industry, as 1" has become the go-to size for the majority of premium P&S cameras. And Sony has the stacked version for their own cameras for the past 3 releases, putting them well on top as far as performance goes, along with OSPDAF on the last 2. m4/3 is out there, but with nearly half the resolution, and APS-C with Canon, but just a horrible performer all over.
Same as above. The P&S layout has been around forever, and has influenced the vast majority of mirrorless cameras, as well. Even Fuji, with their supposedly ergonomically superior cameras, uses it as a base.
The one inch sensor is a deal breaker for me. Or at least it's such a low grade element that I can't accept in such an expensive camera. The 1 inch sensor has been tweaked and tweaked, but it's a bokeh killer. Inferior subject isolation characteristics are the hallmark of small sensors. The typical look from these sensors tends to be 2 dimensional and processed looking, especially when compared to something like my Ricoh (which is also somewhat overpriced for what it is). The RX100 is a 600 dollar camera that they sell for twice the money, and one that can take a picture, but rarely a good one. If you've seen the output of the Fuji X100f or the Ricoh, then you already know what you're giving up with the smaller sensor. In the end we all have the choose what works for our style of shooting, right?
@MrHollywood "I'd rather be arrogant than rude and petty. My comments are about the camera, not YOU."
Actually your comments are mostly about YOU. The camera only gets a mention late on: 'I'm a professional shooter and when I need video I use a real video camera.' 'I own a tiny Ricoh GRII, which has a sharper lens than the Sony.' 'I can put Zeiss or ART glass on a low end DSLR and it'll blow the baby Sony away in every respect relevant to IQ.' 'I'm a professional shooter, but even on a casual outing I like to have the better camera with me.' 'I get paid for my work.' 'The one inch sensor is a deal breaker for me.'
In the space of just 7 comments you told us 3 times that you are a professional shooter who gets paid for his work so you obviously think this lends weight to you to what you say. What would actually lend weight would be evidence that you've even glanced at the spec sheet of the RX100vi, which I don't think you have since you think it can be replaced by a D5500 or an GRII.
@Rubberdials.. certainly you would not think that being a professional photographer, having a portfolio/gallery and professional equipment should have any bearing on @hollywood's opinion having any relevance.. since you are not a professional photographer (being able to write off equipment for your job does not make you a photographer, professional or otherwise.. a real estate agent, production assistant, stylist etc.. can also write off a camera), do not have a portfolio/gallery and certainly do not own any professional equipment...
I for one... do see advice, opinions given about photographic equipment by people that are actually paid to use it ...a professional photographer, as very valuable. As a rule of thumb, most professionals are "professionals" because they have much experience, education etc in their field.
Exactly. And I get a lot of my guidance from a friend who's in 70's and is among the top shooters around, handling everything from shooting miniatures for movies to wildlife for various magazines. Experience matters, but we have some serious Sony fanboys here. Somewhere in my closet is a Nikon P7800. It's a better handling "old" version of the RX100 VI. It's a fun little camera as it has a 28-200mm that is even faster. But it's crippled by a small sensor and there's just no getting around that limitation. Eventually I found that it wasn't worth carrying. Lousy Bokeh, lousy higher ISO...I just ended up regretting not having something better with me. The Sony is better, but the limitations remain. Now look, if you want a POCKET camera, there are a ton of choices. But buying one for this kind of money seems a bit goofy to me. There are better cameras that ARE larger, but they really won't slow you down in most situations and the weight difference is tiny.
@MrHollywood.. also quite telling/funny that Rubber puts little to no weight on actually being a professional photographer.. but in true fanboy (Sony) fashion.. puts it on the spec sheet instead.
We're in the era where people want their ignorant views to be the equal of the educated ones. It's like the people who run around saying there's no need for fast glass because we have higher ISO's now. I can see the benefits of the RX100 VI. I even thought about buying one for a couple of seconds. Then common sense stepped in and I remembered that the IQ of a 1" sensor camera is still poor for subject isolation and bokeh. This is even worse because the Sony's lens is not very fast. If this fits the bill, then buy it. It's among the best of its "class." The problem is that the class in question isn't all that good.
Which have prime lenses. Two different categories, even if you ignore the sensors. In the same category, you get the bland G1 X III, with the same zoom range as the RX100 V, where the slow aperture offsets the increased sensor size, and the image quality isn't markedly better:
"The 1 inch sensor has been tweaked and tweaked, but it's a bokeh killer"
So is APS-C. Anything but FF loses shallow DOF from what's considered normal. Then again, you can go to medium format, or 4x5, or 8x10, and FF is then the "bokeh killer". Meanwhile, each camera up that gains more depth of field also gains more size. Can't get epic bokeh from your pocket, but can't carry around an 8x10 camera all day, every day, either. Make compromises where/when compromises are necessary.
"The RX100 is a 600 dollar camera that they sell for twice the money"
So, if we increase the sensor size by roughly 3x, it'll be a steal, right? Then why is the $1300 G1 X III such a letdown? Answer: it takes more than a bigger sensor to make a good camera.
"one that can take a picture, but rarely a good one"
95% of the time, it's the photographer that can't take a good photo. Look here for good photographers that happen to own an RX100:
"If you've seen the output of the Fuji X100f or the Ricoh"
Yes, I have. I own the A6300 (same sensor as X100F) and owned the D7000 (same sensor as GRI/II), along with an RX100 I (current) and RX100 IV (previous). I know what they're all capable of. If I'm going on a planned shoot, of course I'm bringing the better camera. But for random encounters, or if, say, I want to climb Mount Everest, the less the camera gets in the way when not in use, the better.
Meanwhile, there are professionals who have made the covers of and the photos in articles of some of the biggest magazines in the US with just an iPhone. A true professional will work around the limitations they're given. Some even test their own limits in order to create something one of a kind. That's how it works. If everything is handed to someone, and all they're left to do is push the shutter button, how are they considered professional?
@BlueBomberTurbo.. not sure what your point really is.. except maybe some kind of deflection? At no point did I write that it is the camera that makes the photographer. Certainly a professional photographer can work around the limitations of the equipment they have with them, but given a choice.. would most likely choose what works "best" for any given situation. Reading the paragraph over again.. your comment to me really has nothing to do with what is being discussed...
Back on topic: I was merely correcting Rubber on "putting no weight" on the experience/background in photography a persons has (especially if they are actually a professional photographer by trade), that is commenting on matters pertaining to photography & photographic equipment.
Yes, some folks have shot magazine covers with iPhones. But not many. And sometimes the best camera is the one you have with you. And of course, we all must work around "limitations." But I don't want to pay 1300 bucks for such a limited product, nor do I deliberately seek out gear that is limiting. As for bokeh, yes APS-C is not as good as FF, but you can still have beautiful bokeh with a D5500 and fast glass. Not so with the 1 inch sensor combined with a 200mm F4 long end. It's just silly to think that the 1 inch sensor is even close to an APS-C. The MAIN point is the size. They packed a lot of "stuff" into the RX100. But I'm just not impressed. These cameras have been around for a while and the evolution has been from sucky to somewhat less sucky. For 1300 bucks?
Well, on the bright side, you have around 20 different color variations to choose from on most recent Sonys, some with vast amounts of adjustment. Not hard to find one you like, or adjust one to your taste.
I'm sure these RX100s have great IQ , but tried one in store and could not get passed the tiny size , like a small bar of soap that would slip out of my hands anytime . Canon g7x 2 is much better in that matter . I carry these compacts on a belt pouch so doesn't matter if there's an extra mm here and there
There's an accessory grip (which was the first thing I bought with my RX100m3). It makes the handling far better. Yes, the Canon G7Xm2 is easier to carry, but I very specifically wanted a pocketable camera to smuggle into concerts where a bigger camera would be disallowed.
Rx100 V looks like the best bet for creative ones who like that fast open aperture and RX100 VI appears to be the best for anyone who needs kick ass camera thats better than a phone and smaller than the phone in pocket(*length wise atleast :))
I think I'll stick with my Mark V. The first evening after buying it I took a picture of the full moon peeking through one clouds just to quickly test it. I believe it was still on auto and I was amazed at all the detail it capture and how well it looked wide open. Stunned really. You could see the deep gorgeous blue of the night sky, stars, and all the detail of the clouds and surround foliage. Amazing. I'm doubting I could have produced the same image with the slower Mark VI.
The lens is too slow for a premium priced camera. Hopefully Sony will revert back to the older f/1.8-2.8 lens in the next RX100 VII. How many will be using this camera for sports and fast action and can't live without the long reach? and there are many other travel zoom cameras with even longer reach for much less, if the FL range is important for casual long range shots.
I agree with you that the lens is still kind of slow even it is faster than ZS100 while zoom in, but ZS100 is about half of the price of this M6.
I have ZS100 while it was released, but I only used it once for traveling light, and I may not be use it again for traveling again b/c the lens is kind of slow for me.
I'm ok with 1" sensor f/1.8-2.8 RX100.M3 which is not too bad for the current price.
For travel zoom P&S, I have Pana ZS100, but this M6 is much better other than the price.
Anyway, I'm still waiting for NIKON to re-release DL18-50, Or SONY and/or Pana will release a UWA P&S liking NIKON DL18-50 after SONY and Pana run out of ideals.
What does the A6300 costs with a 24-200mm (FFequivalent) F2.8-4.5 zoom lens? And what is the size of that camera/lens combination? Oh wait it costs a lot more and is a lot larger. These are two cameras for different markets. We have to see how good the new lens is in combination with the 1" sensor and all the rest. Don't get me wrong, I will always buy the A6300 over the RX100 vi but others will buy this camera for its small size and large zoom....
Mortal, when you want a E-mount camera that goes from 24mm to 200mm FF equivalent, you need an extra lens as there is no 16-135mm lens. So you have the inconvenience of the changing lenses and the larger system. I know many will love the larger system for many reasons (I love my A6000) but others (who do hie a lot may like a small point en shoot camera with a long zoom lens over a larger camera, with two larger (when on the camera in not used position) lenses that is (a lot) heavier) 300 grams for the Rx100 VI to 790 gram for the A6300 with the 16mm pancake and the 18-135mm zoom, That is a lot more to have the same capability, and the price with both lenses is is over $1400... I love the flexability of the E-mount and find the size very good, so I will not buy the RX100 VI but I can see the benefits of this little camera for many, just as I can see the benefits of a large DSLR for some....
You can't navigate menus with the touchscreen. af/shutter only does not count on smartphone one can change focus, amount of light, white balace frame rate etc
Very good point Esmu. The Sony touch screens cannot be used to control menus. Actually, the entire menu system and camera control is absolutely crap on Sony cameras for "today standards/requirements". I have the A5100, the first touch-screen camera (after NEX5). I'd fire the entire UI design and development team: 5 years were not enough for them to make a semi decent touch screen operable camera OS. They live in the stone age. I can live with that, but it is really ridiculous what Sony does in this department.
My money is on the smartphone winning this segent of the market the larger real estate of the smartphone screen along with using the thumbs to change settings will prevail
It's not just not wanting to carry a big camera. It's restrictions at lots of places. I just went to NYC for a week - which included seeing my wife perform at Carnegie Hall. I thought a lot before the trip about taking my A33 with my zoom and 35MM prime. In the end, I got an RX100-iii to take. It was the size/weight. But it was also that many venues - including Carnegie Hall - won't allow ILCs so that was a showstopper. Besides the weight and bulk, a full-size camera is also going to be much more obvious and a target of theft when traveling.
Gen X too. I have zero interest in carrying anything that will not fit in my pants pocket. The RX100 series gives me better than 35mm film quality in my pocket. Good enough for me.
Why nobody wants to show the bottom plate of this camera? We know that it is made in China, and there should not be any shame for that. China makes all the good electronics today. It is perfectly normal that this high end camera is made in China.
I know Sony does a lot of their assembly in Thailand. If China is involved in their other ventures, it's probably more for assembly than actual manufacturing.
That's true about Made in China being good nowadays. The country is changing so rapidly, that opinions more than a few years out of date are no longer valid. Just look at the DJI drones. I have one and was super impressed with everything, from the packaging, to the printing of the materials, to the product itself.
overpriced is a psychologically based selling strategy ...sad the see a company like sony that deserves credit in the camera development space jumping on this band wagon .... there were hints but now its official
This narrative gets really old. You want "cheap", go elsewhere. If you take a moment to actually see what's going on n this camera and how it compares to others, the price range is really not that bad.
I was waiting for what the Mark6 had. Seeing it, I'm going with the Mark5. Even at $950 for the MarkV, it's still an incredible, portable camera.
Sony is one of the few companies that doesn't gimp their lower end products for the sake of protecting their higher end versions. As early as the RX100 IV, the cameras had S-Log2. The IV was the first appearance of the stacked sensor, which went on to get super sized for the A9. It also allowed a burst speed of 16fps in RAW, and up to 1000fps(!) video.
Then they added the fast LSI in the V for 24fps RAW shooting. Not even gimped high speed burst, either. You get 3 full seconds at 24fps. PDAF was also added for the first time in any 1" sensor outside of Nikon 1.
The VI gets probably the best touchscreen out of any Sony so far, along with the first hinge on an RX100 to do a full 90 degrees downward. HLG, which has only been featured in FF cameras, is added, along with S-Log3 + S-Gamut3. Not to mention AF has been sped up 40%! A pretty nice feat, considering the lens has been slowed down by a little over a stop. Finally, you can use Bluetooth to record GPS information to images via your phone.
And these are just some of the headlining features. There are TONS of other smaller features and quality of life improvements on each model. That's what Sony is bad at injecting into advertising.
i believe in value and fairness for a manufactured object and the fact is this is a one inch sensor [1\8 of a full frame !!...??] camera in the 6th virtually unchanged body with a "me too" boring zoom ..not worth $1200 not worth being a corporate apologist either.
it is overpriced for what it is, the 6th,same sony 1 inch compact with updated processor, with a lens nobody wants. period
Small isn't necessarily beautiful for all photographers. . . I prefer cameras with controls that allow me to easily access the essential settings, especially in manual mode. There is simply a point when a camera becomes too small for photographing quickly changing subjects. And a minuscule viewfinder is frustrating to use especially when wearing eyeglasses. This Sony is OK for portraits where the subject is sitting stock still but I wouldn't use it for street photography.
We indeed pay dearly for miniaturization. . . In this case the price simply isn't worth what you get.
Nope, it just has a normal smartphone sensor and a fixed focus lens. Amusingly, the buttons are bigger than on the RX100, though there are only 2 of them. And they're anything but user friendly. And that's all the controls you get, beyond a touchscreen that's probably no better than the RX100 VI's. 1/10th the features, half the quality, half the price.
@ zx .....well to answer you , i specifically mentioned sony options i thought not only represented better values but superb ones , and sony only [ wow thats a good catchphrase ....its all yours if you want it !] because i thought it would resonate with the sony customers who might consider the point i was making
secondly i currently buy and use fuji apsc and oly [ panny] m43 as well as the occasional nikkor ais or rangefinder lens to uses adapted with the above mentioned systems ... i totally respect what sony does , and the strides they have made .... their cameras and sensors are sometimers superb , if not for me
seriously there is much information on the psychology of the consumer and why overpriced stuff reaches buying impulses as much ingrained in the subconscious as in our "waking state "
Cosinaphile no need to write all these options again. I get it that you know there are some better buys.
The question you did not answer was that what is stopping you from buying other options. And if you can buy those options (or already bought them) then why complain here. Just this is not the camera for you and move on.
Sony isn't out there to make you happy and do things the way you want. It is very clear. So its better for you to use what you have and what make sense to you.
i did explain what i bought above , but let me repeat if you glossed over my reply . fuji and olympus ....my 3 most used bodies are xpro2 xe2 and pen f for a compact i use fuji x30 or ricoh gr apsc version 1
what you characterize as complaining , i caLL HAVING AN OPINION on a frankly obscenely overpriced bit of sony kit .... i do believe having such an opinion here and expressing it does not violate any of dpr content rules , except yours ,which is [apparently ] to have no opinion if it isn't one of praise
this is a camera discussion forum here not a hallmark card , all sides of the isle opinions are allowed
what part of ".. i totally respect what sony does , and the strides they have made .... their cameras and sensors are sometimers superb , if not for me" did you not understand ??
seriously there is much information on the psychology of the consumer and why overpriced stuff reaches them cheers
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