It’s (most likely) alive! Adobe Camera Raw release includes support for Zeiss ZX1

Even without a lens this wouldn't fit in your pocket

Dec 13, 2019permalink

Trollshavethebestcandy

There would be a genuine value in a semi modular version where the lens could be removed and put on a new body without a mount. Imagine sending in your fixed lens camera for a body upgrade from the factory. More people would buy into that’s system knowing that all is not lost when the body is outdated. If Zeiss puts a $2k lens on a $4k body and you did a swap, you would only be down $2k.

Dec 12, 2019permalink

Aegon Targaryen

I believe you are referring to onc ILCs, lol. And yeah, ILCs make MUCH more sense.

Dec 14, 2019permalink

User1234567890

www.sonyalpharumors.com/full-zeiss-zx1-specs/

Full specs list

Dec 12, 2019permalink

Fotoni

Awful body design. Also cold winter photography benefits from bigger buttons and dials because you don't want to use bare fingers most of the time. I wonder how touch screen changes when the screen itself is slower because of cold? Battery gives much less power and it is drained all the time because of active touch screen and EVF.

In-camera RAW editing is a bit funny because of small screen, much more limited computer power and battery consumption. Screen color reproduction raises some questions, too. You would want to offer everyone a way to see the colors the same way as you. That is why screen calibration exist.

If you don't care about these, why spend money on things you don't fully use? It is like buying a fast car and then using half of its power or even less.

Dec 12, 2019permalink

lambert4

If laid on its back it shares the profile of the Cyber Truck with a Keg in the bed.

Dec 12, 2019permalink

(unknown member)

@Fotoni:
I am surprized about your detailed criticism about a camera, that not even exists. Can't you wait until it is released and tested in the wild?
And even it this camera is not 4 U, it is not the end of the world.
I suggest to give a camera with a new concept/design at least a chance.

Dec 14, 2019permalink

This is the coolest camera that I will never, ever buy. Godspeed, Zeiss.

Dec 12, 2019permalink

I'm disgusted by Adobe and their secret agreements with Microsoft to push for Windows 10 with any cost!

They've removed the video acceleration feature from the last two camera raw updates for windows 8.1 and everything moves disastrously slow in the editing tab. I'm forced to use the 11.4.1 until I change my camera, after that I will move to soothing else, not Adobe and not Windows 10!

Dec 12, 2019permalink

S Yu

Ugh, I can't believe people are stuck on Windows 8 by choice.

Dec 12, 2019permalink

Richard Murdey

Windows 10 is Windows now. The upgrade was free. If you are running 8 you have only yourself to blame.

Dec 12, 2019permalink

@Richard Murdey, @S Yu

It's your choice to use the biggest malware and abusive data collector called Windows 10, I'll stay away from it at any cost!

+ there is absolutely NO technical reason not to have hardware accelerated on windows 8.1 (with proper hardware), it's just a disgusting cartel agreement between Adobe and Microsoft!

Dec 12, 2019permalink

Richard Murdey

"Oh Microsoft is so bad, I hate Microsoft, I'll only use Windows 8."

Okay, suit yourself.

Dec 12, 2019permalink

Anyone who is still on Windows 8 is clearly a masochist and should be...livened up by Adobe not supporting them.

Also, you can't expect companies to test against obsolete unsupported software when the upgrade is free!

Dec 12, 2019*permalink

@BrentSchumer "you can't expect companies to test against obsolete unsupported software when the upgrade is free!"

By downgrading to the malware Windows 10, you give away all your data on the computer and not only! I'm not a that stupid, thank you. :)

I will never, ever install that windows 10 and if Adobe cares more about earning money than the cartel agreement with Microsoft, they should enable their software on the older windows operating systems. If not, I and other users will look elsewhere, is that simple!

Dec 12, 2019permalink

I think you're being unreasonable to expect the rest of the world to cater to your preferences for obsolete software. It would require a great deal more testing for a very small install base. Of course, there are still people out there who refuse to leave Win7 and (???) WinXP.

I'd also encourage you to read up on the data sharing settings for Win10 instead of repeating simplistic nonsense. It'd be like me saying "Win8 is designed just for tablets and is bad on PCs." Maybe that was true at the very first releases, but both Windows versions have improved quite a bit.

Dec 12, 2019permalink

@BrentSchumer "I'd also encourage you to read up on the data sharing settings for Win10 instead of repeating simplistic nonsense."

It seams ignorance is a bliss... Windows 10 effectively collects everything you do on the computer, even from the mic and camera is you have them connected. This data collection can't be turned off by any means and all your information will be used against you in the end. The whole operating system was build around this important feature (data stealing), that's why it has such a basic ugly interface, all the extra resources must run in background without your knowledge, to steal from you everything they can. This is a well documented fact. Living in ignorance does people no good.

Dec 12, 2019permalink

https://www.google.com/search?q=turn+off+data+collection+windows+10&sxsrf=ACYBGNSul637bQDEcje_SRcXUiQ9sTq_bw:1576162600098&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:y&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwig_oufr7DmAhWNhOAKHQr_DrcQpwV6BAgOEB0&biw=1377&bih=1071

The easiest way out of ignorance is for you to do a quick Google search instead of living in a conspiracy fantasy.

Dec 12, 2019permalink

@BrentSchumer

Windows 10 is a surveillance malware:
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.html

Dec 12, 2019*permalink

nail33

I use Windows 10 for any of my (in house) photo programs that require this OS. I just don't connect to the Internet with Windows other than for updates when necessary. Microsoft and others can't do surveillance very well when there's an air gap. I use Linux when connecting to the Internet to share photos or for other queries.

Dec 12, 2019permalink

chriswy

I totally understand the concern. Yet they can insert ears-dropping software in your ISP's server, in your smartphone processors, etc. There is literally nothing you can do to evade them if they want to look into you.

In fact, the less info they have on your, you stand out more. Every time you try to hide something, inconsistencies in your info they obtained via multiple channels increases. This really really stands out if they try to screen something.

Dec 17, 2019permalink

marc petzold

The Shape reminds me also about the YI-M1:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/yi-m1

Good Light.

Dec 12, 2019*permalink

S Yu

That was in turn a Leica T copy which was in turn largely derived from Sony NEX.

Dec 12, 2019permalink

Richard Murdey

Also Samsung NX300. They may have been the first to have that particular "triangle slab" case geometry.

Dec 12, 2019permalink

marc petzold

I know. Leica T was way before the YI (Xiaomi M1). ;)

Dec 12, 2019permalink

SignumX

I just can't understand why camera companies don't make use of the smartphone revolution? I want a full frame sensor with a versatile mount that I can use with my smartphone, which is light years ahead of anything in regards of processing power, usability and screen compared to any dedicated camera. Why not take the same approach as e.g. DJI with its drones, where the drone is just a photographic tool that's disconnected from the rest of the system. The same could much done - and much easier so - with a large sensor camera.

Camera companies need to switch from trying to sell outdated hardware and software that's not keeping up with the competition to being service providers of complete solutions and manufacturers for highly specialized equipment. This road that many manufacturers are taking is going straight to the place called 'bankruptcy'.

Edit: Sony had the QX-line many years ago, and that was perhaps a bit early for this kind of tech. Better implementation and bigger sensor = win

Dec 12, 2019*permalink

jonathanj

Olympus had one too with a MFT sensor. That didn't sell either. Reasons:
a) ergonomics and ease of use. Notice how DJI have released a drone controller with integrated device to prevent all that faffing around with cables and connections that comes with trying to use a phone.
b) the high end camera market is heavily driven by old men with conservative attitudes :-) This camera is already a stretch, maybe if it sells well, we'll see more experiments. But until then, don't hold your breath ....

Dec 12, 2019permalink

Camera companies seem to have conservative cultures. If your executives have spent their entire lives chasing better optics and sensors, it would be really tough to switch to software as a differentiator.

Also camera firms are poor. They're not going to outbid Google, Samsung, or Apple for the engineers and coders required to replicate camera tech,.

Dec 12, 2019permalink

Keith Meinhold

A brilliant camera in many ways, certainly addresses many smartphone features in a camera with a great sensor and lens. Ah, but that lens is fixed - just like one of the main drawbacks of smartphone photography.

Dec 12, 2019permalink

jz1776

This reminds me of my Leica TL which was innovative when first released. I'll wait and see if the Zeiss or the TL3 gets released first. Love the styling and user interface.

Dec 12, 2019permalink

sunilkumar

For any camera company, it is a huge task to write software for such a camera. I would buy this camera if Zeiss can successfully launch it.
I wish apple start on such a project to deliver the full-frame camera.

Dec 12, 2019*permalink

I might get one. Its a bold concept and it'll have issues to start with but as long as it's not frustrating to use it can only get better. The real question is how well adobe is integrated from a user point. For zeiss to create the software and invest in the support required to keep it going alone is a huge ask. But adobe is already invested in creating a cloud environment and adding a camera to it might be the answer camera companies need to enter the smartphone ecosystem, so they can capitalize on escalation

Dec 12, 2019permalink

cirke

make a digital Zeiss Ikon ... and forget Lightroom, this one even for half price I wont get it

Dec 12, 2019permalink

marc petzold

Exactly my thoughts, said that here for ages! A digital Zeiss Ikon ZM, M-Mount, like the M9 back into 2009. The Zeiss Ikon ZM was being built by Cosina, back then. But the OVF is great, i've once handled it a short time, with a Biogon 35/F2 ZM. Sad, but true, i don't own this Camera. ;)

I've had hopes, since >10 years, Zeiss would built this one here digital:
https://www.casualphotophile.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/zeiss-ikon-ZM-rangefinder-camera-review-6.jpg

But then, there comes a small Camera, with LR integrated, no Card Slot, but integrated SSD, it seems...and non-interchangeable Lens, for the Hipster crowd nowadays....hum.

A fine day, and good Light.

Dec 12, 2019*permalink

Nikonese

Just wondering if people think before they post comments.

Dec 12, 2019permalink

caravan

"Social media directly from the camera".Pass!

Dec 12, 2019permalink

Old Cameras

Or you could use your phone.... Cuz that’s pretty much what’s its made for and 37mp+ files are useless on social media sites.

Dec 12, 2019permalink

S Yu

You know there's still an obvious difference, part of it comes from high quality files but there's still a notably different look, if you need it, that comes from a much larger format, especially at larger apertures.
I used to shoot everyday objects outputting DNG with Gcam (DR approaches MFT grade, improved resolution and far lower noise compared to regular smartphone DNG), editing via LR Android converting to full res JPG then uploading to a site to sell second handed stuff, which compresses it to an extent comparable to social media. My phone broke and my current backup doesn't support Gcam, so I'm forced to turn to my a7RII which is frankly overkill for the scenario and less convenient than shooting and editing on the same device, but what I want to say is that the files still have a notably more premium, more high quality look after upload, with similar subjects under similar lighting conditions.

Dec 13, 2019*permalink

Photoman

So when is the "Brick" coming out?

Dec 12, 2019permalink

PC-dot-Com

its an important camera, hope it releases

Dec 11, 2019permalink

Foskito

I wonder how long does it take to make a software update. Maybe this was done when the camera was supposed to exist and means nothing in terms of its availability. 🤔

Dec 11, 2019permalink

Tim Zhou

Make it interchangeable mirrorless, then we are talking

Dec 11, 2019permalink

Discombobulated

looked like leica Q but everything is weaker.

Dec 11, 2019permalink

cirke

who want a fixed 28mm ?

Dec 12, 2019permalink

Doesn't look anything like a q

Dec 12, 2019permalink

Old Cameras

Instead of a camera lens mug you can get a Zeiss ZX1 door stop! Which surely must have been the original inspiration for this tragic and awful design.

Dec 11, 2019permalink

I like it

Dec 12, 2019permalink

EthanP99

I'm waiting.

Dec 11, 2019permalink

Radek P

You will have to pay a subscription plan to Adobe for that inbuilt Lightroom, otherwise the camera will not work? :-)

Dec 11, 2019permalink

Trollshavethebestcandy

Maybe if Zeiss guarantees to remove the lens and attach it to a new body for future models it will sell better

Dec 11, 2019permalink

DarnGoodPhotos

Yes, future models will also have a lens.

Dec 11, 2019permalink

LeDatas

Cool camera. However, I bet it will be priced as a luxury, and its auto-focus and video performance will likely be underwhelming.

Dec 11, 2019permalink

entoman

You're welcome to it. I'm sure the lens is very nice, but those twin thumb dials remind me of the Sony a6000, so it probably handles like a pig. The grip also looks uncomfortable. Form before function.

Dec 11, 2019permalink

xeriwthe

samsung nv11 P&S design rises from the ashes to enflame the hearts and minds of the camera consuming critics https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Digimax-NV11-Digital-Reduction/dp/B000OIZ0RQ

Dec 11, 2019permalink

Leonp

This shape probably fits perfectly in the glovebox of the new Tesla Cybertruck, which I'm not going to buy either.

Dec 11, 2019permalink

Aegon Targaryen

Somebody slam a wooden stake into this zombie's heart already.

Dec 11, 2019permalink

JonB1975

That wouldn't work.... ;-)

Dec 31, 2019permalink

CanadaPhoto

Of course there is a camera profile included via Camera Raw, it had to as it has lightroom built right into the camera. Did you think Zeiss would build Lightroom into the camera and not have a camera raw profile? They've probably had numerous versions of the profile prior to this release to the public. Camera could still be a long way off, If there is a production problem as rumoured, it has nothing to do with a camera profile that has probably been ready many months ago.

Dec 11, 2019permalink

HowaboutRAW

Rumors of the death of the Zeiss project to introduce a full-frame compact camera appear to have been exaggerated if Adobe’s latest Camera Raw update is anything to go by."

I've seen that Zeiss camera in a case (back in 2018); it's hardly "compact".

It ain't akin to the Sony RX1RII.

Dec 11, 2019permalink

pro photo 2011

I hope it is not going to disappear like the Nikon DL series of cameras.

Dec 11, 2019permalink

User1234567890

Looking at it, anyone may think it is a $250 camera.

Dec 11, 2019*permalink

Kharan

Anyone who knows nothing about Carl Zeiss or cameras, sure.

Dec 11, 2019permalink

onlyfreeman

And the people that know of Zeiss will realise that it's a $250 camera, with a $4000 price tag.

Dec 11, 2019permalink

Because zeiss is known for making luxury cameras yes?

Dec 11, 2019permalink

Kharan

Nothing made by Zeiss comes cheap. Some of their branded stuff, sure, but even their lens cleaning kits are pricey 🤣

Dec 11, 2019permalink

onlyfreeman

Oh yeah I had those lens cleaning wipes, I'm sure you can get generic ones for a tenth of the price that do the job just as well, but I can't resist a good "discount" on Zeiss stuff. The only Zeiss branded thing I can afford. :D

Dec 11, 2019permalink

User1234567890

I am not saying camera is as bad as those $250 pocket camera.
Design is too simple. The photo makes you think it is plastic.

Dec 11, 2019permalink

BrexitDefCom3

Well as a MkII it may have interchangeable M mount lenses and sport an A7R4 sensor!
I think it looks fine- I do not care any more what they look like, but I care that they are matt black as otherwise they reflect themselves in windows, and peoples sunglasses etc.
Its the shape the Sonys Should be and are not...

Dec 11, 2019permalink

tkbslc

Reminds me of an older Samsung with a rangefinder lens bolted to it.

Dec 11, 2019permalink

Androole

That's about right. Almost identical shape to the Samsung NX200, aside from the slope where the shutter button is.

Dec 11, 2019*permalink

HowaboutRAW

Androole:

It's much bigger than a Samsung NX200.

The Zeiss' body is nearly the size of a Leica SL2.

Dec 11, 2019permalink