Panasonic has announced it will hold an online launch event for its new full-frame mirrorless camera, the Lumix S5, on Wednesday, September 2, 2020, at 10 AM EDT.
Aside from the date and time, no further information was shared about the camera or launch event. Panasonic suggests keeping an eye on its Lumix S5 webpage and Instagram account, but we will also update this article with a link to the event when it goes live.
Press release:
New LUMIX Full-frame Mirrorless Camera to be Unveiled at an Online Launch Event
Newark, NJ (August 19, 2020) - Panasonic is pleased to announce that they will hold an online launch event for the new full-frame mirrorless camera LUMIX S5. It will be unveiled at www.panasonic.com/global/consumer/lumix/s/s5.html on Wednesday, September 2, 2020, at 10:00 EDT. Panasonic is committed to meeting the passionate demands of all creators through its LUMIX brand, and the new LUMIX S5 is one of the embodiments of this commitment.
Seem expensive since the S1 is priced the same and as a better viewfinder (5.76m dot vs 2.36m dot) and superior backscreen (2.1m dot vs 1.6m dot) and probably a lesser build too.
Yes, tbat's the kind of odd point to me as well. If the price is the same as the S1, then there must be some differentiation that makes it worthwhile.
Of course there is the size, but in most cases if a company offers a model that has less features it costs less even if smaller. So it will be interesting to see the way this is positioned.
@SandySandy new and better autofocus? Is the same lacking contrast detect dfd system, nothing new about it. If you think its going to work like phase detect prepare to loose your money....
@AlejandroI Let's wait a few days further and you could compare it with what is already available. It won't beat Sony, but be noticeably improved from what it already available.
But this is better than the S1 in both photo and video. Cutting a few hardware corners, is only for the better. For a smaller size and lower launch price
@sandysandy if that's the case and they dont bring those improvements to s1 via firmware it's going to be a big disappointment for the few remaining s1 users, I for sure would be.
@AlejandroI, that's how technology works. Every generation offers something extra. You can't say that Panasonic should offer PDAF, and then be unhappy with whatever developments they make with better autofocus.
DFD is mostly software based. In theory s1 has a stronger processor than the s5, (that's only speculations), but if thats the case I dont see how they can not bring the updates to s1.
And as you will probably see, the improvements will be just minor.
We just just need to wait and see.
Anyways my recommendation as a panasonic user, (since you asked about the autofocus) is to better look into canon or sony if autofocus is important to the user, Panasonic seems like it will never have great autofocus, usable yes, great I dont think so. With all of their cameras it's always been the same, crap contrast detect, relatively improved with firmware upgrades making it so so.
APS-C will slowly become what M43 is today and M43 will eventually become the new Gen of larger cellphone camera sensor, once we reached the point of holographic displays, where there'll be larger space in place of screen.
Dansclic you obviously have a different experience from me, yes if your prints are 18×12 inches you cant tell a difference, but do any sort of exploring your files on a monitor and apsc is really disappointing
karroly YES!! absolutely right thats why I recommend everyone stops going on holiday, upgrading cars and homes, smoking and drinking, going to restaurants and having kids so they can buy a GFX100, it worked for me. Just waiting for the GFX200 now...
Presumably it will be released with a new small lens or two. The direction they took with the first few chunky lenses don't seem to fit well with a smaller body.
Basically it's the S1 with lower res screen, viewfinder, and no top lcd, for 2k. Why not just drop the price of the S1? They should call it the S1s, it's like the "slim" remodels of game consoles that come out mid cycle to reduce production costs.
It appears the early rumor about it being some super cheap budget model were wrong. As you mention, it's more like a mini version of the S1.
The pricing is what is interesting because right now you can get the S1 for $1999. That sale ends Aug 22 but still...
The big questions: will the reduced size be that much of a selling point? It might...presumably Panasonic has done their marketing studies and knows what customers want. And also, will there be any other value added features to the S5 that the S1 will not have?
Agree you both, i only had a lot of hope in m4/3 to have a 20Mpixs BSI sensor to improve noise in actual one. But nothing very new seems going out from this format... Sony you wanted to kill it ? If you don't evolve, you die.
This has NOTHING to do with m43 cameras. And can you guys stop predicting the death of m43? Sheesh. There is a whole clientele out there that prefer the high quality m43 camera bodies, and especially the SMALLER m43 lenses vs their FF counterparts. I know what I am talking about as I have both m43 and FF cameras and lenses.
Rumor says S5 still keeps the DFD AF. Is there any patent or technical hurdle that prevent Panasonic from using PDAF? DFD s**ks and everybody knows it. Why do they keep making the same mistake?
PDAF gives about 0.1 second faster AF-S speed but adds stripping to your images - when shadows are pushed, I don't like it, would rather have the full uncut image and the 0.1 sec slower speed.
DFD sucks? - Bull Sh*t!!! - It is superb. I have a FZ1000. . a fixed lens camera pushing 6 years old plus, yet it focuses so bloody fast & gets it spot on practically every time at all focal lengths, that it still takes the p*ss out of newer cameras 6 years on. It's fast enough that it even gives Phase Detection of the time a run for its money. Your comment is rubbish pal!
Based on the rumored specs, it's a heavier more expensive version of A7iii. How is exactly Panasonic going to compete, especially taking into account a paucity of lenses?
Not everyone likes Sony, camera purchasing choices are much like any consumer product, people like choice. Those who do like Sony have already or are planing to buy a Sony. Others like what Panasonic etc.
@George1958 -- most people are brand agnostic, and Panasonic doesn't even have a lens collection to retain the users. For most people competition is spread across all brands. If Panasonic only hopes to retain loyal customers they have lost this game before even starting.
The lens that would make sense with a more compact body and in that price range (but at a nice discount by buying in a kit) would be the 20-60mm S as a kit lens.
Urbex, 1080p or 1.7x crop 4K.. how would any decent full frame readout 4K camera have a single thing to fear from the Z5? Especially in a mount for which there are more than half a dozen native lenses available..
I have a feeling there's going to be a big firmware upgrade for the S1 that's going to come with this announcement. Maybe they'll finally uncripple the S1 and give us manual exposure in VFR.
With the demise of photo shows this could be a good way to introduce a product and get the undivided attention of people who are interested. And unlike costly junkets for reviewer-endorsers, it's a level playing field.
In theory, Photoplus in NYC is still on for October, although I find this extremely difficult to believe given that it typically is like walking through a closet stuffed with dozens of people.
@Passereau: MFT system was conceived when full-frame sensors were expensive. By the system’s own admission, it provided a ‘compromise’ between size and image quality. Now that full-frame chips (giving four times the area of MFT, and hence two stops better noise performance) are affordable, then yes, MFT is a dead system.
I read through the video specs and this is a solid piece of kit . I myself think so anyway, under 2k with these specs I think is solid for a full frame sensor camera . And the sensor we already know puts out some beautiful images . If they build it with the quality of the higher end ff cameras like the S1 and S1h but in a smaller form factor it should be a seller . I have seen af tests on the Panasonic cameras and I think it’s darn good . Af tracking is good enough to use in video most of the time . You usually cut scenes in anyway and use the portions that are good . For pulls use manual focus . I’m a Nikon dslr user so I’m used to work arounds . But this af is way more accurate than my d850 just requires patience and not much . Peace y’all
Latest full frame cameras generally are not budget cameras, APS-C exists to cover that. Panasonic is known to have superb video tuned cameras. When you want to spend more money to a camera, why have built-in EVF, IBIS, fancy backscreen or anything which just increase the price, but they are inferior solutions. If you really want to have quality video from a quality camera, you use a gimbal, external EVF and recorder. Camera itself can be smaller, lighter and cheaper.
Sigma Fp did it pretty right, but it can only do up to 4K RAW 30 fps. No oversampling, but pixel binned I guess? Still pretty damn good quality for its price. Panasonic could do similar with oversampling and 4K RAW 60 fps. S1H has more stuff built-in, so S5 could actually outperform it with the same price, if it is a stripped version.
There's no reason for 35mm sensor bodies to be as expensive as they are, for the most part, it's market segmentation to attract the premium price over aps-c and m43. But the lenses, no, they are inevitably bigger.
Now there's so much choice for FF, then I think prices will fall, and put pressure on aps-c and m43, and that I think might lead to the death of the smaller formats... or at least push them back down to the domain of enthusiastic amateurs.
Olympus uses pdaf, and if you know how to use it it's better to what Panasonic offers. But in the end all af implementations of high end cameras are good enough for 95% of users. Differences are highly overdone. Polarization about minor differences in articles and reactions is what sells clicks.
Olympus is using pdaf, but still Panasonic has better AF. I have directly compared Olympus om 5iii and Panasonic S1 and gx9. Don’t post if you don’t have real life experience with the subject!
The GX9 is what, $799? And the S1 is well over twice that. Geez, I would hope a camera of twice the price would outperform the cheaper one in something basic like autofocus!
Give me an E-M5 III and I will take the AF challenge.
onlyfreeman, Yes. S1, of course, has wobbling in AFC because it has only DFD, no PD. But, I think, it also has much fast prosessing than G9. So, in real situations there is no real problem with some wobbling in AFC for stills. Look here my S1 examples with 24-105/4. Single shots with AFC. More than 80% shots in focus: https://micro43club.pro/forum/threads/panasonic-lumix-s1.33291/page-6#post-635172
...you mean so your eye is offset from the lens? mmm not sure about that,
and if you are a left eye shooter the camera blocks your right eye that you can't then open to look at/engage with your larger subject, mmm not sure about that either,
and rangefinder style is usually wider that dSLR style,
and rangefinder-style was really only an ergonomic necessity due to there being rangefinder, when there isn't a rangefinder it's a distinctly retro and rather silly design choice.
In terms of the larger formats, there is always the GFX 50R though, if I wanted RF-style I'd get that and not quibble about it not being FF.
I’m left-eye dominant, and yet, that sort of format makes total sense for larger cameras, IME. It’s with the small, dinky ones that becomes uncomfortable, at least for me. The GFX 50R looks great, but it’s $3,500 with a steep discount, so not really in the same category.
Yeah, I really enjoyed the Gx8 and Voigtlander MF f/0.95 primes, but eventually sold the whole kit. Have been Nikon DSLR centered since 2004, but did a nice side trip with Gx8, Voigtlander primes, Oly pro zooms. Once the Nikon Z7 hit, and I compared the weight and size of Z7 + Z 35 f/1.8 S to Gx8 + Voight 17.5 f/0.95, and found that they are almost the same in size and weight...I sold all the m4/3 stuff I owned.
But I do miss the RF style of the Gx8. Enough that I bought a Fuji x100v this year. Good times for photographers. I bet this Panasonic camera is a good one.
I believe m4/3 is maybe not dead, but no longer has enough size advantage to offset its IQ compromises.
There seems to be ignorance of the actual spec in a lot of these comments, head here.... https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64262195 ...basically it's much smaller, lower res EVF, smaller battery, 24MP, but otherwise everything else retained.
It's a 3 inch fully articulating 1.84 million dot screen. Camera is 24 megapixels, like the Sony A7iii or A9ii. Nice video specs, 10 bit, H265, etc. BUT it uses L mount... so (apart from Canon EF glass owners who want to enjoy sluggish autofocus through a Sigma MC21 EF to L mount adapter), it's basically no fun for anybody in the real world, who want native performance speed, unless they're willing to hemorrhage vast amounts money buying yet more lenses for yet another new pointless mount, that will probably be forgotten about in 3 years anyway.
Too late, now that Sony finally seem to have adopted true flippy screens, the lack of which was the only thing that kept them from taking over completely.
It focuses very fast indeed. As I said earlier, there might be better options for sports and wildlife photographers, but for everyone else, Panasonic's contrast detect AF is plenty fast enough and deadly accurate. And doesn't involve putting phases detection pixels all over the blasted sensor!
If you find Panasonic Af-s focusing slow, then absolutely nothing will do as it is probably the fastest focusing system out there. Calling the system "slow" shows a complete lack of knowledge.
Im quite happy to hear that the S5 is smaller than the S1/R . I always found them a touch too big, and I have large hands. Not only that, it sounds like it will have a legit battery grip for the times you want to make it balance with larger lenses which is awesome for a lower end model
Panasonic better start preparing to announce the GH6, even if they don't disclose complete specs, soon. Otherwise a huge number of their customers may start feeling the need to start exploring other options. Considering the GH5 is such an amazing workhorse, especially for video, Panasonic just needs to fine tune everything further. And PDAF or a combo of ToF and Laser Autofocus should solve their focussing issues.
I agree with you 100% SandySandy. The huge m4/3 lens owning hybrid community need to be thrown some crumbs. The full frame hype is too much, but a lot of people are eying up what that A7sIII brings to the table. The GH6 needs to come quickly to stop the exodus. And the AF needs to be sorted. This depth from defocus thing has gone on for far too long now. For stills I have no complaints, but for C-AF it is just a nightmare.
It's great that Panasonic are releasing new L mount cameras. Well designed, strongly built, good ergonomics, good lenses (although not many of them), and now it seems an affordable body to lure newcomers into the system.
Just one problem. DFD. But I doubt if that will bother the target purchasers. On the other hand, anyone who reads reviews or watches demo videos will be well aware of the poor performance compared to PDAF.
I just hope that Panasonic is able to swallow the bitter pill and switch over to PDAF on future cameras, as it really holds them back. DFD is a major disincentive to serious users.
Old Cameras - I dn't know whether their existing sensors could be re-engineered to add PD pixels, but it would seem to be the most sensible solution, and would save the from losing face, which I think is the main reason why they've stuck with DFD.
entoman I was thinking how Nikon added phase detect pixels on the 20.9mp APS-C sensor used in the D500 and put it in the Z50. And now they seem to have done the same thing with the non-BSI sensor in the D610/750 and placed it in the new Z5. But you’re right, after talking something up and bragging about it, replacing it with something new would be embarrassing and require some explanation
A nice cut-price FF to pair your $2000+ lenses with...What's that you say? You can't afford fast, FF glass? Well, they have a cheaper lens for you, but guess what? You just lost the stops in speed that differentiated your camera from m4/3rds. But at least you have the resolution...you did by an S1R, didn't you? Oh, I see...
Entry level 24/50/85 f/1.8 L-Mount primes are coming. Along with the unique 20-60mm lens, theyve already gotten Sony beat in the entry level market. Theyll just need a cheap telephoto kit lens.
I don't think you understand the concept of "value."
Panasonic 20-60mm F3.5-5.6 - $600 Tamron 28-200mm F2.8-5.6 - $730 Sony 28-70mm F3.5-5.6 $400 So you can either do much better for a bit more cash or go much cheaper for E mount entry level.
The lenses you're talking about aren't *good* or *cheap* entry level lenses. They're only kind of acceptable on those mounts, because the mounts are starved for inexpensive options.
I mean, the cheapest <=F1.8 nifty 50s on Z/RF/L mounts are $600/$950/$2,200. These mounts are awful for entry level, and I feel bad for someone who buys a cheap F7.1 zoom for an RP and then tries to buy a second lens.
I would prefer to go with an R6 but will end up with an A7III or A7RIII, because the RF lens prices are utterly insane.
28-200 is significantly larger and starts at 28mm.
Sony 28-70 has less range and is larger and heavier. I wish that super compact 24-105 was available in emount.
Where has the pricing of the 24/50/85 f1.8 L-Mount primes been announced? Ironically Canon has the best entry level prime at the moment: 35/1.8 RF. The Sony version is laughably overpriced.
The pressure is on Sony to bring out an updated compact entry level kit lens to go with the a5/a6. It will be very dissapointing if they just resue the old awkwardly sized 28-70 dud.
What you don't get is that the Sony 35mm F1.8 is simply one offering among many and priced at a premium. It's odd to say that it's overpriced when it has better optical quality and weather sealing.
13 35ish lenses, including lenses that are much cheaper and smaller than the Canon, or slightly cheaper and F1.4, or larger and better, or...
That's my whole point; the E-mount ecosystem gives you great options so you don't have to cherry pick one focal length to pretend that your favorite mount has options for entry level. ;)
If a lens eco system has to rely on third party manufacturers for their bread and butter lenses, its not a competent system to begin with. Also those lenses will eventually be available in L-Mount, RF and Z in due time, so none of them is unique to Sony.
And as stated earlier, none of those third parties have entry level kit zooms or primes. Samyang comes close though with the small and cheap fast primes, but they are still missing the staple 35mm and 50mm f/1.8. Also regardless if they did Ive never heard of a body being sold as a kit lens made by a third party manufacturer LOL.
That's silly. Third party lenses are lenses; does the light care what the brand label is.
And it's funny that you're saying third party lenses are insufficient when other lens systems have *zero* options first or third party. Where are the nifty 50s? Where are the inexpensive F2.8 zooms? You don't have any.
Great. That's three primes. Where is the cheap UWA prime? Where is the inexpensive 35mm prime? Where are the cheap zooms that don't stop at 60mm?
L mount will have some lenses, but it's clearly got a lot of catching up to do. Just like RF and Z. Some people don't care and will pay more for their favorite brand. Others will go for the better value lenses. As long as you're happy, there are no bad options.
Theyll still need a 35mm, but its a hell of a lot more competent than what Sony has: the largest and heaviest kit lens with the most limited range, and an unnecessarily crippled AF 50mm f/1.8 lol. As stated, Nikon, Canon and Panasonic are all ahead with their upcoming entry level line up. Im hoping Sony catches up with the a5/a6.
You don't seem to grasp the quality or utility of Tamron/Sigma/Samyang/et cetera third party glass, so I'll leave you to your brand fetishization. Enjoy paying more for the same focal lengths to get that brand logo!
Ironically youre the one obsessed about brand names LOL. Sony/Samyang/Tamron/Sigma dont currently offer anything similar to the following:
- Panasonic 20-60mm - Canon 24-105mm RF - Nikon 24-50mm Z - Canon 35mm f/1.8 RF (i believe Viltrox and Tokina have a FF 35 f/1.8 coming soon which is exciting)
Fingers crossed Sony will catch up with competent compact entry level lens options with the a5/a6. Their 28-70 kit lens is a joke at this point, and it would be great to see them offer something unique and compact.
To be Leica L mount does not mean to sell it as a leica brand. Please Panasonic understand that. Sell it as a Panasonic price and I promise you i will get it .I trust your name.
I mean if the a5 is the new entry-level FF, will they discontinue the a7 / a7 II, which currently serve that purpose and are still being produced apparently.
My first foray into full frame was Canon 5D when it came out. When I bought the GH2 My keeper rate went from 10% to 90%. Yes, pixel peeping will show the Micro 4/3 inferior but for me the mirrorless GH (2,3,4 and 5) series are better photographic tools. So this may be my triumphant to full frame.
The S1H is designed specifically for video (Netflix, in particular), and is also, incidentally a capable stills shooter. It's probably the ONLY ILC approved for Netflix, right now.
The S5 should be a slightly improved version of the S1, in some regards, with cost cutting in hardware, and about the size of rhe GH5 (a hair smaller and lighter).
@Jeffe "My first foray into full frame was Canon 5D when it came out. When I bought the GH2 My keeper rate went from 10% to 90%."
When one can't make good Pictures with the 5D, one can't make it with any Gear. I have my 5D since early 2006, and the 2nd one since 2008. Still using these, occasionally.
marc petzold, I have thousands of “good pictures” out of my old 5D. Mirrorless cameras made me a better photographer. The ability to see exposure in real time and make corrections BEFORE releasing the shutter was a revelation. Focusing became much more accurate and reliable. It taught me and made the experience easier and more enjoyable with the results I was looking for. I was willing to sacrifice a bit of quality for the ability to capture a scene the way I saw it. AND your comment regarding my ability is rude and uncalled for. I was simply sharing my experience.
Whatever you think you need. I am more happy with a Film SLR, and haven't shoot digital besides my Cellphone within 2020, almost. Just two Times, my E1 Fuji.
It's nothing rude, it shows only what you've being posted, i only quoted your -very own- sentence. I had enough Keepers with my 5D, that is my experience, but never just 10%. No offense.
The decision on what I regard as a keeper is totally my own and based on what pleases me. I found a tool that delivers what I want when I want it. You basically stated publicly I was a poor photographer because I couldn’t “make good Pictures“. Your words not mine. Extremely offensive.
if i am interested in a camera, i judge it for myself, not what a website and naysaying forum comentators and dedicated fan boys state, oh, i forgot to mention the "dedicated" clueless wonders also, who don't have a clue about the camera or its workings, who deliberately try to sway folks from buying the camera, for some unknown stupid reasons, I find most of the time that my experience with a camera is quite different from DPR and often their sample galleries are shockingly different from when I use the camera myself The number of times I've been misled by online "reviews" is staggering, I've now taken a different approach: I go to online reviews to just get some rough guidelines, then I test things myself, for as long as it takes to feel comfortable I'm not missing something important because "I read online that..." the number of "instant experts" on the net is just bordering on crazy, nowadays, and don't get me started on utube "tutorial" videos...
How about some lenses? So far they have released but one (1) UNO solitary prime lens. Only one. As close to none as you can get without being none. Personally I love the Sigma lenses, but they all have focus breathing and don't work with dfd, so they won't work for my purposes.
Lees - I've got three sigma art lenses (40/1.4, 24-70/2.8, and 70/2.8 macro), and all focus really well on the S1R. Especially the 24-70, that's extremely fast and accurate!
I know. Panasonic should start announcing the GH6, even if it releases in 2021. And it should target the Indie Filmmaker with Full VLOG, 14-bit RAW photo, 12-bit compressed RAW/BRAW/ProRes RAW video (via HDMI or USB-C), atleast 1.5 stop dynamic range and low light improvement over the GH5, and around $1500-1750. And PDAF or a mix of ToF and Laser Autofocus, to have absolutely class leading autofocus, as good as the best PDAF out there. They could use the G9's body frame and structure, to cut costs.
The market has shrunk to the point that there is no entry level anymore. The camera market will look like the Supercar market. An entry level Ferrari F8 sells for slightly less than $200,00.00.
I’d like to see a small, still-photography focused camera from them. They have a pretty compelling system with Leica and Sigma but all their cameras are huge save for the Fp.
Live - you see I find very small cameras fiddly. Furthermore, if you like high end lenses, they don't balance well on puny bodies.
If you like a light weight system, Fuji's X is the way forward. Those little f/2 primes are very very likeable indeed and pair nicely with small cameras.
what you say is irrelevant because many "pro" Fuji tele lenses are bigger and heavier than FF lenses. F2 Fuji primes are fine but they are équivalent. F2,8 FF lenses which are small (see the Zeiss 35 f2,8).
I used GX85 for video and some stills, and I found DFD to be perfectly useable for video (it was much better than Nikon DSLR for video), great IBIS and stills were very good. I would expect even better performance from Panasonic's new FF. FF mirrorless wars are just starting and Panasonic has deep pockets, it is not as big as Sony but dwarfs all other camera companies. Panasonic's revenue is 72 billion dollars, Canon was 32 billion dollars or so in 2019. In the war of attrition, Panasonic is able to withstand anything, especially its archrival Sony.
They really do need to get some of those out as you cannot really take advantage of a smaller body with most of the current lens lineup (although image quality of L mount lenses is just incredible).
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The lens is optically identical to its black and silver siblings, but spices things up with a bright-red paint job and a custom lens cap to celebrate the Year of the Ox.
Join filmmaker John Webster and his team as they voyage into the beautiful Sawtooth Wilderness in Idaho with Manfrotto's Befree 3-way Live Advanced tripod.
The inclusion of in-body stabilization in Fujifilm's X-S10 means it's able to offer a lot of the features of the flagship X-T4. So, price aside, what are the differences between the two models, and how much of a bargain is the smaller camera?
Which high resolution mirrorless camera is best for you? This week, we compare the Canon EOS R5, Sony a7R IV, Nikon Z7 II and Panasonic S1R to answer that question.
As part of CES 2021, Canon launched a new website allowing users to view select locations on earth from the Canon CE-SAT-1 satellite. Using the onboard Canon 5D Mark III and Canon telescope, you can zoom in and see our planet from a fresh perspective.
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