Nikon will no longer include USB-C charger with its Z7, Z7 II mirrorless camera systems

don't we all tried about man-made/self-orchestrated disasters?

Dec 10, 2021permalink

Nikita66

Nikon, always a follower, never a leader (since film, anyway).
This is about saving a few bucks, which Nikon probably needs, but don't pretend it's beyond your control, Nikon.

Jul 6, 2021*permalink

Tharizdun

Yeah, true. I remember Nikon producing the 14-24 and lots of Canon users buying and converting this magnificent lens.

Dec 14, 2021permalink

(unknown member)

Riiggght.. One wonders what's next.
"Many have asked us why our recently announced Nikon Zfc has last century's performance. It's two reasons--(1) to match its last century's looks and (2) um...you know...because of the semiconductor shortage"

Jul 6, 2021permalink

Frage

I wonder if even with the shortage you can buy the charger separately.

Jul 4, 2021permalink

obviously it's a lie

Jul 4, 2021permalink

yet they spent the $ to put the rubbish OLED on lenses.

Jul 3, 2021permalink

DarkShift

The sorry fact that Sony don't have the ability to put displays on their lenses doesn't make Nikon Z lens OLEDs rubbish ;)

Very useful in many situations infact, like the top panel screen on my Z7II.

Jul 3, 2021*permalink

Handsome90

@Darkshift, nice whataboutism. I don’t think the OP uses Sony gear. Shock, horror, he or she uses Nikon gear

Jul 3, 2021*permalink

DarkShift

Whatever, but it sill doesn't make the OLED displays rubbish ;)

Btw. I use both Sony and Nikon gear.

Jul 4, 2021*permalink

Razor512

Someone needs to one up Nikon and make a lens with a high res color OLED screen on the side that supports HDR10.

Jul 5, 2021permalink

mcshan

EH-7P AC power adapter we hardly knew ye.

Jul 2, 2021permalink

epambos

Me thinks:
our personal and reciprocal difficulty procuring euros and dollars, should be factored in the price!

Jul 2, 2021*permalink

Oleg Ivanovskiy

They could reduce the price in that case. If they really care.

Jul 2, 2021permalink

Cooked Cat

think they are excluding the charger cause the camera parts cost more now, so excluding it so that they can keep the price the same.

Jul 2, 2021permalink

Andyyy

Reduce it by $10?

Jul 2, 2021permalink

Oleg Ivanovskiy

Why just $10? EH-7P Charging AC Adapter $59.95 at Nikon US.

Jul 2, 2021permalink

Andyyy

I'm pretty sure they cost of manufacturing is under $20.

Jul 2, 2021permalink

Oleg Ivanovskiy

I do not care about manufacturing costs. It may be under $5. I only care about market price, because they took it out and now charge $60 extra saying ‘We will do our best'. No, you are not doing your best, Nikon.

Jul 2, 2021permalink

Meh! Don't use EH-7P or MH-25A.
Got a nice compact dual battery charger and nice compact 120V to USB power supply.

Jul 2, 2021permalink

Holger Drallmeyer

Plenty on Amazon Nikon.

Jul 2, 2021permalink

Mariano Pacifico

Nikon should fire their marketing people. Just released Nikon Z-fc and they tell the whole world their Z cameras will not come with a charger ... and ... a cable ... BAD MARKETING !

Jul 1, 2021permalink

You clearly haven't read the article.

It does come with a charger - Only no longer with two different ones.

Jul 2, 2021permalink

canon doesnt supply a usb cable either

Jul 2, 2021permalink

Spectro

Ignore this guy daily rant

Jul 2, 2021permalink

3pgrey

Do people know they still get a charger?

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Frage

Only those who actually buy the camera or read the article.

Jul 4, 2021permalink

Zenodroid

So now it starts on the cameras too. Next step will be no battery included.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Gordon Whittaker

HAH! BNI!

Jul 7, 2021permalink

knoxphoto

LULZ

Jul 1, 2021permalink

primeshooter

This is pretty weird. Not the fact that they have stopped supplying it due to shortages (I get that), - perhaps they should offer to supply these at a later date so users aren't disadvantaged though!

This said - Nikon have failed to realise the reason for USB-C charging in camera. The whole point is you can just use any USB C lead and connect it into the wall. The fact we need this block to do it, defeats the whole point in not taking a charger. If you have to carry this mini brick, then you might as well lug the damn charger along! Surely sony et al don't force you to carry this block in order to do it? Infact I am pretty sure they don't looking at youtube. I can charge my phone with any USB C cable...

Jul 1, 2021*permalink

You clearly never worked with a Z - It is easy to power it from a powerbank while the camera is working. You do not need that USB-C power supply at all.

But I get it you wanted to bad mouth Nikon, only because it is not the brand you work with. Such bad talk is pretty childish - but you most probably knew that all along.

Jul 2, 2021*permalink

Giklab

With Z7 cameras, you used to receive:

- Dedicated external battery charger
- USB-C cable (just the cable)
- This direct wall-mounted charger.

You had 3 options. Now, you still have 2.

Jul 2, 2021permalink

Revenant

And the Z7/Z7 II were the only models that came with this charger included in the box. So buyers of these models won't be more disadvantaged than buyers of other Z models.

Jul 2, 2021permalink

MrBrightSide

Tim Cook got away with it, why doesn't every manufacturer?

Jul 1, 2021permalink

AZheaven

Excuse me! But it's Tim Apple....note sarcasm..

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Radovan

Others don’t have the courage. 😜

Jul 6, 2021permalink

rsf3127

Next step: no battery at all.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Sideshow015

WOW , you sure are on the ball sir. Do you also have the numvers to next weeks lottery? BS there is a shortage ..

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Nah that's more for Sony to do.

Jul 2, 2021permalink

MrBrightSide

*That* is an excellent point. With no film to fog why aren’t digital cameras powered by nuclear energy?

Jul 6, 2021permalink

arpodthegreat

Who cares. If I were doing marketing for Nikon I would spin this as an effort to reduce e-waste and plastic. If anything this should be a positive news story. If I never got another crappy usb cable and power adapter again I'd be so happy. It just ends up in a drawer full of crap and eventually a landfill.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Banana Chips™

i'm fine with not including the chargers with the cameras, but i find it insulting that they think people would believe their justification for it.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Photomonkey

So many comments whining about how they are entitled to a charger because Nikon charges "so much" for their cameras.

This is a hobby. A luxury that many cannot afford at all.
Stop parading your grievance about details of your luxury hobby.

If you are a pro your business model should be able to incorporate the slight additional cost of a third party charger.

Or better yet, buy up stocks of existing bodies that come with chargers.

Jul 1, 2021*permalink

Thecylon

People like this are exactly why companies do this. It is accepted and applauded. There are always corporate defenders online. Kind of sickening.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

AbrasiveReducer

"Thank you sir, may I have another?" It's the fan thing.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Photomonkey

@Thecylon the market will move as it sees fit.
At this moment Nikon sees its options as keeping its costs low. The supply constraints it claims can be overcome by paying more. However they have decided that they need to hoard cash as they are in a very tough and declining market environment and they sell a lot outside of the US and Europe where price sensitivity is greater.

I am no defender of corporate rapacity. However it is useful to have some nuance in the analysis of corporate behavior. Amazon, uses scorched earth tactics to dominate product lines and markets thus making Bezos the wealthiest person on the planet. OTOH there are a lot of perfectly honorable companies that struggle to survive and provide a great product or service to their clients.
Knowing the difference is important.
Just because a company raises a price or cuts a cost does not mean they are evil.
Just because a company offers the lowest price does not mean they are saints.

Jul 2, 2021permalink

leonardotonin

I don't like charging direct in the camera.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

saiko

Too risky.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

I know people who have their petrol tank filled up by a clerk because they are too afraid to do it themselves....

Jul 2, 2021permalink

Einride

Good. I have a ton of these chargers and cables already. It’s a terrible waste. All companies should stop including chargers, slightly lower the price of the item, and then sell charger and cable separately.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

CTaylorTX

…OR….stop including chargers, NOT lower the price, and blame it on the global supply infrastructure, thereby bolstering up profit margins. We all read the articles about global sales totals of cameras are dropping. In order to stay in business, stop supplying free stuff that most customers will never use.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

…OR… stop including chargers, NOT lower the price, and put the money saved into other areas of the BOM (bill of materials) so that the manufacturer can provide a better camera for the money paid by the consumer.

The global chip shortage is real and manufacturers who weren’t able to lock in their supply chain costs are already facing dramatic increases. Margins can only be cut so far — and I don’t think they’re as fat to begin with as many here believe.

We’re going to be paying more for less moving forward. It’s all too easy to blame it on “greed” when the reality is that for some of these manufactures its about survival in a declining market.

Jul 1, 2021*permalink

Razor512

The shortage does not impact all components equally.for power supply type hardware, there isn't much of a shortage as they often don't use the same factories, and pretty much never use small process nodes which limits you to like 2 factories on the planet.

Nikon likely just wanted to pull an apple and boost profit margins

Jul 6, 2021permalink

True. However an increase in cost for any part of the camera or included accessories increases the overall BOM cost. If overall costs rise the manufacturer either takes a cut in margin, raise prices or reduces costs.

I’m starting to see significant price increases for many of the products I sell due to increased manufacturing costs (Covid “safe” production), supply chain issues (not just “tech stuff”—costs of common materials is rising) and transportation costs (boats waiting for over a month outside of ports.) I also believe that the environmental impact of including a charger with “everything” is real and that we will reap benefits as more manufacturers come to this conclusion.

At the end of the day I don’t think this decision will come to much. Nikon won’t be hurt because I don’t believe anyone genuinely interested in the camera will be put off. Nikon isn’t going to profit excessively either. If this is a cash grab I think they’ve chosen poorly.

Jul 6, 2021permalink

Mikael SB

No big deal. The USB-C charger shouldn't have been included in the first place, it just isn't necessary.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

A Owens

Wow, this is huge.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

You mean the AC plug - Indeed too big and good they stopped supplying a device that is not necessary to charge the camera as the battery charger itself IS still included.

So it was a waste of money in the first place.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

saiko

Samuel Lucifer
I think he means the 'news'

Jul 1, 2021permalink

(unknown member)

Many an optimist has longed to hear those words...

Jul 1, 2021permalink

I know - but its hardly news in my opinion.
I have always found it strange to include two chargers.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

(unknown member)

I'm starting to feel vindicated in my decision to shoot more film using cameras 40-60+ years old...

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Because film and processing cost much less than a $US20 charger? Whatever gets you through…

Jul 1, 2021permalink

(unknown member)

It costs a lot less than buying a new camera/lenses every 5 minutes, like many do on here, but whatever gets you through...

Jul 1, 2021permalink

arpodthegreat

$20 charger? that charger probably cost Nikon $2 at most

Jul 1, 2021permalink

False equivalency. Some might upgrade at every opportunity. Others don’t. Either way at some point the cost of shooting film exceeds the cost of a using digital camera. My first “serious” digital camera — thought by my peers to be “expensive” at the time — paid for itself in reduced lab costs in less than one year.

I’m not discouraging or disparaging you, or anyone else, from shooting film if that’s your jam — and I acknowledge that this decision goes beyond the economics of the respective mediums. I do see irony in your “vindication” based on Nikon’s decision to remove a $20 (if I were to go out and replace it with a high quality version at retail) non-critical accessory. And, while not aimed at you directly, with the complaints about removing an accessory that many, maybe even most, would have never used to begin with.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

(unknown member)

Speaking of false equivalency, there are so many variables it's difficult to know where to start. Frequency of shooting, format used, home developing and printing, computing requirements/upgrades, software requirements/upgrades, complexity of equipment etc etc. Of course some of these factors can work either way, but the blanket statement that digital will always be cheaper is obviously not true.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

You’re correct, we can slice it either way. No matter, the original point that the OP here was “vindicated” by Nikon’s decision to not include an accessory that costs less than a roll of film and processing stands. Everything else is just noise — and I withdraw my portion of it.

Again, I don’t think that anyone needs to justify their choice here. I merely find it curious that *this* rises to the level that it does.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

(unknown member)

I am that OP, and obviously it was a tongue in cheek comment, though possibly, with an increasing demand on precious metals for electric vehicles, consumer electronics etc, it could prove true in the future.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Nagy El Raheb

At least they are honest and did not claim that they are doing it to save the environment

Jul 1, 2021permalink

DeltaFoxtrot

Yes, that is a refreshing change from the usual approach

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Haim Hadar

Very true. But it still *is* good for the environment.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Thecylon

There is absolutely zero proof that this is honest. It is much more likely an excuse to increase profits while having something to easily blame. To declare this as honesty flies in the face of even a casual paying attention to how corpoeations act vs what they say. This is very much the equivalent of claiming to want to save the environment. This strategy clearly works with the many, many rabid loyalists though.

Jul 1, 2021*permalink

Holger Drallmeyer

That's right. F#ck the environment! ;)

Jul 2, 2021permalink

Do a search for hot or sexy environmentalists, you will change your mind to Oh Heck No!

Jul 2, 2021permalink

Revenant

"There is absolutely zero proof that this is honest. It is much more likely an excuse to increase profits while having something to easily blame."

To assume dishonesty by default is a very cynical attitude, IMHO. Unless and until one has proof of dishonesty, one should assume that people, including corporations, are honest.

In this case, we know that the chip shortage and supply chain issues are real, and that manufacturers in many industries are affected by them in numerous ways.

Jul 2, 2021permalink

janist74

Great! IMHO no product should include USB chargers and cables anymore. I have at least >5 chargers and >20 cables unused at home -> e-waste.
On the other side, ALL electronic products should be USB C (PD) charging compatible. If I can charge my notebook (100W) with USB C PD, then basically everything at home could be charged with just one charger.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Richard Head III

Just wrote a feature request to Tesla...

Jul 1, 2021permalink

s.seng

You are one of few don't need usb cables. In my household we buy at least about 5 more usb cables every year from Amazon as they don't last long with my two kids. These cable ends are flimsy as they bend easily and become non-functional

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Osa25

The solution is not therefore more crap ‘disposable" cables with every product. It’s better quality, longer lasting ones that you buy one and use a long time . And stop the industry practice of meaningless changes to basic power charging standards every 9 months.

Jul 1, 2021*permalink

joger

Reading through the comments makes me wonder how people make it through their daily tasks.

Price is irrelevant - what bothers me is total cost of ownership.

Starting with any camera system involved man things to consider including lenses, spare batteries, cleaning accessories and bags ...

Last but not least optical quality of the lenses - and sensor resolution.

When you've checked all these aspects and still got nikon be happy you purchased the brand beforehand - in case you're on the fence right now have a close look to the options on the market and take the latest information into account.

We're lucky to have many options. Venting in the comment section is as usefully as whistling in the dark

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Based

Good consumer

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Julian

I have a Nikon FE, F90x, D100, D3, D800 and Z6 as well as many lenses. All of my kit is still fully functional, including the FE which dates to the mid 80s. Some have had repairs over the years, but the thing with Nikon has been that they have been able to ensure this. My worst issues were with my D100 when the display died, and they replaced that, then my D3 had an issue that I caused (water in the body to lens contacts), and they fixed that. My main reason with sticking with Nikon, is the quality of their kit is superb.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

vadims

I wish Sony had such a loyal following! Here, by "following" I mean not only people who own Sony gear, but also people like TRU who watch the brand very closely :-)

Nikon stops including USB chargers: "Good, never needed it anyway".

Sony starts shipping cameras with higher resolution screens for the same price: "Sky is falling! What's up with Sony?!"

P.S. Just for the record: I think both moves are understandable, and nothing to fuss about. Not making public announcement on LCDs was OK since the specs were improved. Not including charger is OK as long as camera price is adjusted to make up for the retail value of charger.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

vadims

@Confusedabit

> Do you you envisage new legislation on screen resolution in the pipeline?

Look, re-read my message and show me where I "attack" Nikon, their policies, or their users. What are you "defending"?

Did you understand what I was saying?

Where does this defensive stance come from? Knee-jerk reaction to a Sony user in Nikon-related thread? Just seeing the word "Sony" is enough to trigger it?..

Jul 1, 2021permalink

BrentSchumer

The new Sony LCD SKUs are actually sold at a higher price (+$500?) than the older A7RIIIs and A7RIVs. We discussed it in the Sony forums.

But Sony prices have nothing to do with parts costs. I mean the RX100III is still...$750.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

vadims

@Confusedabit

> the fact is they are being honest about the particular
> reason but it does really concur with the trend anyhow and
> these power supplies are superfluous in the USB C era

Never disagreed with any of these points.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Sigma82

Unfortunately, Apple docet

Jul 1, 2021permalink

pollup

No problem as long as the price is adjusted accordingly.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Based

You know its going to cost the same

Jul 1, 2021permalink

m_black

The price of cameras is never static from launch to end of life. Other than initial buyers, someone will always a reduced price camera. What is the part worth, $20? Hardly the tipping point on whether to get a Z7II or not.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Idaho_X

If they adjust the price honestly, everyone would realize how crazy cheap those chargers are ;)

Jul 3, 2021permalink

BrentSchumer

How much is the price drop?

Jul 1, 2021permalink

mrpuggy

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Till they raise price $10 because it is "difficult to procur some electronic components."...

Jul 2, 2021permalink

Joed700

Most of you are not even aware how big this problem is with the shortages of chips. I was in the market for a new car recently, and couple things I've noticed. First, most of the car dealerships' parking lots are practically empty (Toyota, Honda, Lexus, Audi). The sales person told me at one dealership that if I was to buy a car from him, the car only comes with one key. They would give me the other key in a couples month due to chips shortages. It's no joke!

Jul 1, 2021*permalink

RedFox88

Car makers are renting school parking lots to fill with cars they can’t complete due to parts shortage

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Entropy512

Automotive got hit especially hard. When the s**t hit the fan, people stopped driving, so many vehicle purchases were put off or delayed. There was also a glut of vehicles on the market because many rental companies sold off their inventory.

This caused many automotive manufacturers to get deallocated/deprioritized.

Now the economy is starting to recover, rental companies are rebuilding their fleets, people are driving again - but automotive manufacturers can't regain their allocations because suppliers started moving to other components that had higher demand (such as anything that supported telecommuting...)

That same demand shift regarding telecommuting has led to major shortages. There's also that whole pesky cryptocurrency mining fiasco...

Jul 1, 2021permalink

whatever

Jul 1, 2021permalink

I’ve installed outlets that include USB-C in several key points in my home/office/studio. My car has 4 built-in USB ports and I keep several “hydra” cables (multi-format) along with the dedicated cable for my phone in the vehicle. I have various high quality, high power multi-port USB chargers and power banks in my various travel and gear bags. I even have an eight port USB charger in my garage, along with 15’ cables, for bike lights.

And I have a plastic box stuffed full of unused USB chargers.

I’d ask that more manufacturers follow Nikon’s (and Apple’s) lead on this. It can serve them AND the health of the planet. It’s not a zero sum thing.

Jul 1, 2021*permalink

Vignes

the problem with Apple is they do have a specific power spec for their iPhone charge especially the new iPhone 12. the wireless charging is limited if you use a non-standard adaptor with apple wireless charger. direct charging via non apple charging is limited. if you use the apple new 20w charger, the phone charges faster plus there’s some intelligence where the phone communicates with the charger to throttle up and down the adaptor output based on your phone usage time etc. e.g., the phone monitors your usage behaviour to determine this.
So, apple should include the adaptor in all iPhone package rather than forcing people to pay for this adaptor. Otherwise using the non-standard adaptor may lead to inefficient charging time and maybe lead to poorer battery management

Jul 1, 2021*permalink

My recollection is that they fixed that. Not that I care, I don’t have a “problem” with using my ordinary Qi charger for contact charging anyway.

I’m well acquainted with Apple’s power management feature. The power “throttling” you describe is all done inside the phone’s charge circuit. Even the dumbest old-school “non-C” USB charger (so long as its working properly) only delivers the amount of current “requested” by the device. In layman’s terms, charging current is pulled, not pushed.

We’re in the weeds here but I felt it important to correct some misunderstanding. I respectfully withdraw from further off-topic discussion

Jul 1, 2021*permalink

Pushed or pulled? Well, that's new for me, as it was news when after a system update to my I devices, I could not longer charge them from my computer's USB outlet using other non-Apple cables. Now I had to go and buy one who costs 30$, at the Apple Store. While the non-Apple cable costs me 3$.
"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in." Al Pacino, Godfather III
The industry creates its shortages. Remember when there was no more gas, back in the 70s?

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Vignes

I should clarify:
The 20W charger provides this PD 3.0 spec (highest output 9V, 2.22A). the Iphone 12 + Magsafe wireless charger uses this spec.
The PD 3.0 spec adaptors does interact with the device to set the right Amps and Voltage. Also, it adjusts the step-up rate of the output based on feedback from the device which includes device temperature.
With non PD spec charger, I ‘think’ the input is set to 5V, 2A irrespective to the charger output.

If you want to use the fastest wireless charger, you must go with Magsafe wireless charger + 20W charger. Other wireless charger i.e., Qi, has lesser power output even though they’re higher rated.

Jul 2, 2021permalink

@Vignes
Dear Sir: I know when I am in front of a brilliant mind. You have all my respects, Sir, for I am completely ignorant about the facts you've so consciously explained. What I intended to posit was the fact about the consumer being pushed, against his will, by Apple, not to have the free choice to look out and buy an alternative cable to charge his devices. We are obliged to buy, at tenfold, that cable at the Apple Store, otherwise the device won't charge. I find it to be an abusive sales pitch by Apple. It happened after a compulsory system update. If I refused to update, many of my apps were unable to function. Voilà.

Jul 2, 2021permalink

People are upset about this when Nikon includes this USB-C charger AND a regular battery charger, which as far as I know, no one else does.

How many years did it take before Sony finally included an actual battery charger for their cameras? Oh yeah, it was quite a few.

Jesus, people. Every digital company is facing problems because of this and you're complaining about something that most others don't even give you.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

BrightTiger

The issue is Sony never set the expectation of a charger when they priced their camera. Nikon set the price then pulled the proverbial rug out. No bueno. Dumb marketing mistake.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

What?? What does "set the expectation of a charger" even mean? When you release a camera at a certain price, users look at that price and expect a charger?

I guess I kind of agree. I would think the people who bought the Sony a7R for $2300 expected an external charger to come with the camera. But what do I know.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

m_black

Lol Brighttiger.... it's a $20 part. Nikon included a dedicated battery charger AND a direct AC to USB-C charger. It's the latter they are removing. Nikon users, if they don't have a USB-C cable in their home, will still be able to remove the battery and charge it in the (still) provided charger. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. And Sony never setting the expectation of a charger? What does that mean? On a pro shoot, everyone should pause so you can stick your camera into a wall charger along side your phone and wait? Queue elevator music......

Jul 1, 2021permalink

@m_black exactly. It took several generations before Sony decided to include an actual external charger with their a7 cameras. They just gave you a cable to charge in camera.

Fuji only gives you in-camera charging now.

Nikon gave people TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS which NO ONE ELSE DOES, and now they can't give them the one that has historically been the least desired, but somehow people manage to be upset by that.

Like holy hell people.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Entropy512

$20 part? More like $5 in costs to Nikon or less.

Jul 1, 2021*permalink

$20 as cost for the consumer. The most you are losing out on is about $20, were you to go buy your own.

Most people have USB-C cables and chargers already anyway. If you have a Macbook or an iPad, you have one. And probably many others. I couldn't even begin to tell you how many I have around here.

Jul 2, 2021permalink

EXkurogane

If this decision allows the z7iis to be put on the shelves, why complain? I remember hearing a lot of people complaining about the availability of Z7ii on the shelves since launch.

This global chip shortage is no joke. It has gone to the extent where even car manufacturers had to cut or cease production.

Jun 30, 2021permalink

dmanthree

Yeah, much ado a out nothing for this camera. Just ship it.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Mavots

Exactly. It's not like they took the in-camera charging feature away.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

sunnycal

Hope they continue to include the camera.

Jun 30, 2021permalink

Leicalika

hopefully not, but that'll costya

Jul 1, 2021permalink

BrightTiger

They are going to use the Aldi model - you will have to buy your own box and -package it yourself.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Jon555

As long as it isn't the Ikea model, where there's a bunch of racks and shelves around the product and you need to buy a lot of the parts to complete the camera, at the same time and in the right quantities. Then you get home and see you needed 7 screws to attach the camera baseplate and you only got 6...
(A friend of mine took 3, or maybe 4, trips before she had all the parts for her new Bed...)

Jul 1, 2021permalink

You could have been a good friend. Rather than her having to make numerous trips, you could have offered a bed sleep on...

Jul 2, 2021permalink

dgumshu

OK, what next?

Jun 30, 2021permalink

photographytragic

The external charger is next! One lot of messy powerplug varieties gone, now let's get rid of the external item too :)

Jun 30, 2021permalink

Camera strap. Everybody has different preference.

Instruction Manual. Nobody reads the manual, at least very few read hard-copy.

Future Bizzaro World - No camera body. Each lens come with dedicated sensor, and output is sent to your SmartPhone over WiFi (802.11ax). ;)

Jul 2, 2021permalink

photographytragic

Can't think who it was, but there have been two cases before, in full production.
First case was a manufacturer (now out of camera business), but the idea was you clipped the dedicated lens/sensor into a receiver body (which had less in it of course)
Other case was 95% as you describe, but smaller item, and you clipped to the front of your phone, and the communication was contactless (can't remember exactly what).

Jul 2, 2021permalink

Jake2046

Thanks Apple for setting the trend.

Jun 30, 2021permalink

dmanthree

Well, there's a difference. With Apple you actually needed to own or buy another piece of hardware to use the device. With Nikon everything you needed is still in the box. My las cam, a fairly high-end model was shipped the same way: one option to charge. Yes, the wall plug charger. Nikon's move is not unprecendented.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

beavertown

Better to tell the real reason than making an unconvincing excuse.

Jun 30, 2021permalink

Spectro

As long as it has a wall battery charger. I got tons of usb c charger.sitting around. Oddly my Sony og a7 didn't include a battery charger but just the USB in body cable charger. That is so slow I had to go buy a wall battery charger.

Jun 30, 2021permalink

photographytragic

Interesting, my A7R IV's charge via the USB-C quite fast using a good USB-C cig lighter unit.
Not qualcomm-smart though, best they accept is 4.8v at 1.5 amp.
Actually almost all my charging is in-car (caused by bird and landscape hobby)

Jun 30, 2021permalink

And, next year...
No more camera battery in the box, due to the great respect for the planet, from Nikon to cut on oil derived products, such as the battery's plastic wrapping.

Jun 30, 2021permalink

SomeguyPNW

The chip shortage is acute - dismissing it like that sounds like something a manchild from a different fan club would do.

Jun 30, 2021*permalink

Well, this is not a fan club; it's a forum.
Then again, why doesn't Nikon stops at all its camera line, since good cameras are no longer available?
I don't know your age, bro, but I've lived long enough to see the depreciation toward customer's respect and consideration, from any sales department, all industries together.
By the way, I'd rather be a manchild than a mangina.

Jun 30, 2021permalink

SomeguyPNW

Sick burn, bro. You showed your hand.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Chip shortage at this point is lame excuse for companies size of Nikon.
Smaller companies have developed and fabricated their own ICs in house, decades ago.

Jul 2, 2021permalink

tbcass

It doesn't matter because I think people have all kinds of USB chargers lying around in drawers these days. At least it includes an external charger, unlike Sony which didn't include a charger with 4 of my cameras.

Jun 30, 2021*permalink

Roger

I know I do. Way to many.

Jun 30, 2021permalink

So true, Including an external charger is more significant that a USB-C power adapter. Unfortunately Ricoh has also excluded battery charger for the K-3III.

Jun 30, 2021permalink

You can never have enough USB chargers! I have 15, maybe more.

Jun 30, 2021permalink

@ Seahbc I respectfully disagree. I have too many. I know this because even after putting an appropriate charger every place I need one in he house, at work, and in my various travel kits, I still have a plastic shoebox full of them. Sitting on a shelf. Doing nothing. Just waste and clutter.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

@jaberg, Maybe it is time to sort out your chargers. Those low power type with 5V 1A output should be retired or donated. I only keep those with quick charge capability.

Jul 1, 2021permalink

@Seahbc with that I absolutely agree. They’re harder to get rid of than you might believe though. Thrift shops don’t want them, nor does a local organization that refurbs computers and tech. They have crates of their own. I don’t the idea of disposing of them as eWaste.

I do occasionally dip into the box for a power supply for a maker project. That requires “five” spares, not “fifty”.

I did once present a dozen genuine Apple chargers to a member of our local users group. He’d spent the entirety of the previous meeting complaining about Apple’s decision to not provide chargers with the new iPhones. He didn’t really want them — he already had a drawer full himself. He just likes to be complain about “rip offs”. Very fun at parties.

Every now and then a coworker “loses” a charger, or has need of a spare, and I’m able to provide one. Maybe I’ll start throwing a handful in our “up for grabs” bin and replenish as necessary until they’re gone.

But we digress…

Jul 1, 2021permalink

Not at all, it is good to discuss the reduction of wasteful resources. But all these electronic goods manufacturers are not making it easy. We all know how many times they changed the standard just for the sake of changing. HP has changed its power adapter connector size at least 3 times. So did Lenovo. Same goes for inkjet cartridges, they will change the models with every new printer so that you have to throw out the old unused ones.

Jul 1, 2021*permalink

Mortal Lion

Will have to buy a crap charger from China and have my house burn down then....

Jun 30, 2021permalink

M Lammerse

Might be the same producer of your Nikon USB-C charger, with an other name printed on it.

Jun 30, 2021permalink

MikeRan

But designed by Nikon to Nikon’s quality standards!

Jun 30, 2021permalink

Look for the brand Ugreen. I have used it and the quality is good. Or else just use your phone's charger.

Jun 30, 2021permalink