Photographer, YouTuber and Canon Ambassador Peter McKinnon was recently sent a pair of Canon EOS R3 cameras to play around with. While he hasn’t had much time yet to put it to the test, he has shared a new hands-on video wherein he shares his initial thoughts on the EOS R3 and shows off plenty of up-close shots of Canon’s forthcoming mirrorless camera.
McKinnon starts off by acknowledging that at the time of filming, he had only spent an hour or so using the camera and getting familiarized with the new features. Canon isn’t allowing McKinnon to share any photos or videos captured with the camera, but McKinnon does highlight the design of the camera, compares it with both a 1DX Mark II and an EOS R5, and explains his experience with the new eye-tracking AF technology.
Screenshot from the video showing Peter McKinnon comparing the Canon EOS R3 (left) compared to the larger EOS 1D X Mark II (right).
McKinnon is a Canon Ambassador and has spent much of his professional and YouTube career shooting with the likes of the Canon 1DX Mark II and, more recently, the EOS R5. The video is sponsored by Squarespace, with the sponsorship section starting at around the 3:40 timestamp.
You can find more of McKinnon’s videos over on his self-titled Youtube channel, Peter McKinnon.
I don’t understand why Canon is taking so long too release this camera the R3 for pubic ownership, come on Canon enough of this ok! I did like his video of the camera some what. and why canon is not letting much of anything out by its ambassadors I must say it’s boring?
Canon may be stock piling these before release. It was 7 month or so before the R5 was in stock at many stores because of demand. And demand is still as high or higher than for any other camera besides the R6. The question I have, is will this camera slow the R5 down? Nothing else has so far.
He makes good videos. I wonder what subject he will pick? My bet is some kind of car racing to show off the vehicle detect AF. And please leave 'no priority' AF and improve it too. One brand you have to switch to 'animal' for animals, but then it does work for birds which ARE animals. Switch over to video and it doesn't work for animal of any kind.
This is just a camera, not the second coming. The theatrics wear thin. But that these videos are empty suits--short on substance and hollow on the inside--does not surprise.
For you see, the term "ambassador" is little more than a euphemism for shill. The veneer of respectability it confers is quite thin.
Surely not just this one review? From what I can see this kind of content is stylistically similar to any other reviews irrespective of brand. It’s healthy to be sceptical about the many influencers out there. If there is a risk it will be that people who don’t know enough my be persuaded to buy a given product. Others who do know about their gear may get some entertainment value and or some helpful information via the content. However give fair to Peter he is doing nothing very different to other camera ambassadors.
The anti-R3 campaign is in full swing I see. Remember how they went after the R6 and R5? You know, the 2 best selling mirrorless camera this past year? The 2 cameras named Best over all at their price points by this site? There is nothing that will stop this camera from being the most popular mirrorless camera at the 2022 Work Cup along with the Z9.
I'm not anti-R3, I'm anti all this silly drama. Canon should just release the specs and allow sample images to be shown instead of this drawn-out nonsense.
anti-R3 campaign? I haven't seen much. Sure some criticism mostly around the leaked resolution, likely well deserved as it will not be a direct competitor of the A1. Peter is an entertaining dude however he is beyond worshipping Canon, so I see criticism toward his thin and biased video, not about the camera itself.
A big weakness in the 1DX was lack of a fully articulating LCD. I am glad Canon puts them on their cameras now. A camera with a vertical grip needs an LCD that can articulate for portrait oriented shots. It also helps to have larger LCD instead of a smaller low resolution budget LCD. Just a few things that show this camera was made with professionals in mind.
If you're a photographer he keeps talking about video vs, stills and I get it because it's only 24MP but is he selling a video camera????
That moving LCD is going to make CPS A LOT OF MONEY
Conclusion: How are people drooling about they have to have the camera??? Have you seen RAW and JEPEG images. The eye AF is a gimmick. It's counter productive for someone who uses their EVF/OVF to setup shots.
If you're a 1DXMKII or III user this low resolution camera is underwhelming from an IQ perspective out of the gate.
Pros are waiting for the R1. With Nikon's Z9 at 45MP, Canon better get the R1 at 80MP and double the resolution of 1DXMKIII
If I wanted a video camera, I'm not buying the R3. I'd buy the Blackmagic Mini Pro 12K and get 80MP stills. How is it Blackmagic can do it and Canon can't?
The Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro 12K takes EF lenses, Canon has painted themselves in the corner. Nikon & Fuji see this too
The users eye scan AF as a technology might work but it may also create a whole new problem of training the users ‘how look and stay locked in’ to the subject. Imagine if you start viewing other subjects in the frame other than the target subject, the AF point would follow the users eye and drift to other subjects than the intended subjects. There should be some interlock as such that once the subject is locked, the AF lock should't drift... I do this all the time (check other subjects) plus I also check the settings status info which are shown around the edges of the EVF frame. Since this tech has been a huge part of Canon ad (similar to the 8K ad for R5), Canon should provide more info on this and some guide... now since people are pre-ordering the R3.
I don't follow how 1DX users, who are used to a 20MP camera, will be upset by a 24MP camera. These clearly are users where resolution and large files aren't a priority.
@tvstaff Your view on resolution seems a bit unclear? You seem to suggest that the 1DX3 is fine (20mp), 24mp is not enough, 45mp is super yet Canon need to be at 80mp. Seems a bit inconsistent to say the least….❓
At least the Black Magic Ursa uses Canon lenses (or PL). However the R3 is much more adept at shooting stills, especially for action. BM's are not known for their AF capability, and the Ursa is a hunk to carry.
We see a little more about how the eye focus works. I want to see what setting there are for it. The R5 AF is the best around, so I'd like the eye AF to select the initial point, and maybe with a button press help change subjects.
Given the price differential between the A1 and R5, I'd say that's a win for the R5 to have "nearly a match for the A1." Keep in mind the R5 costs 60% of what the A1 costs, or $2600 less.
But really there is no practical difference in AF performance in almost all situations. Notice I said "almost all situations"...so yes, there are some where a stacked sensor at 30fps may matter.
We really are getting to the point with AF where often we split hairs, just like arguing if 60MP is any different than 50 MP in practice, or any of the other minutia we get into, like small differences in DR or high ISO performance.
That link doesn't say anything what you said, but there are many reviews which go in depth on why the R5 is so much better. https://youtu.be/WA_aV9MyDiE
And if you to see grown men cry, mention Tony Northrup who also said the R5 AF is better. 😃😃😃
To sum this up, try turning on bird eye AF on the A1 during a video. You can't.
@RubberDails - Where is the Sony A1 reference you mentioned... I followed the link and there's no mention of your comment on the conclusion page. I also checked the autofocus page/index and there's no reference to this as well.
Can you please provide the link - interested to know...
Edit - I just searched every single page of the review link you provided and could not find any reference were Dpreview mentions your comment. Maybe I'm missing something? Cheers.
The A1 was not out when the R5 was released. The r5 had some good FW updates since also. You guys are beating a dead horse most reviews saw the R5 is slightly better for stills and a clear winner during video (A1 loses some AF features during video). The 2 big advantages for the R5 is it acquires AF a split second faster and it does lose AF on erratic subjects the are near the far left or right portion of the frame where the A1 lacks AF points.
"At the time of our review, we found the EOS R5 to be almost without fault, save for its propensity to overheat when shooting 8K or high-quality 4K video (later firmware has addressed this somewhat, but not entirely). Autofocus also is nearly a match for the a1. But the Sony a1 offers even faster bursts depending on your Raw / JPEG modes (and at least slightly better image quality at 20fps modes than the Canon) and more reliable high-resolution video capture."
Earlier on the same page they say;
"The Sony a1 offers you a combination of speed, resolution, reliability, and overall image quality that is just a step above the rest."
I trust DPR above clickbait Youtubers. If they say it's best it's good enough for me.
Oh boy, how many times do I need to repeat myself? I admire and respect DPR for all their good hard work, but when it comes to comparing cutting edge AF performance in their reviews they cannot test for all most demanding situations. And their opinion here is mostly valid for the average use. Mark Smith already pointed out some AF unreliability with the R5, I can confirm that water splashes tend to confuse the camera quite a bit. I find the R5 AF in shooting swimming meets to be mediocre at best. R5 AF excels under some situations but it is not all rounded and all times reliable as the A1. As a fact the R5 falls behind my A9 in AF reliability. I had more success with the 5DIV at swimming meets that with my R5.
I'm not a pro by any stretch, but if I had the means and it was available today I'd be ordering it. Eye-tracking AF sounds amazing, will be interesting to see how well it does in real-world situations. I never had an opportunity to try that on the A2E, but by all accounts it worked pretty well. I'm guessing this will drop at around $6k.
The R3 seems like an excellent camera, however even as a working pro, I am not so convinced about getting one, because the competition is so good, and it is worth asking if it makes sense spending so much more for diminishing returns. I think that the R3 achilles is the resolution. Not because 24MP is not good enough, but because it is not good enough at its price point when approaching year 2022. Eye-tracking seems to me to be cool but not that useful and possibly a gimmick or requiring more training than it is worth when we have such an amazing full time tracking in modern cameras, especially if you are the type who switches from EVF to monitor all the time. We will see.
I'm sure that R3 will be a great camera and will find it's audience (along with Dpreview Gold Award).
I just don't get the marketing stategy. People who are interested in R3 don't watch loud YouTube persons like Peter McKinnon. He wasted 8 minutes of my time and I still have no idea how R3 will perform. Nor do I have any new info whatsoever. Even Gordon Laing video was tad better, and he filmed a static body (though Gordon is such a gentle man, it's a pleasure to watch him presenting).
These teasers of teasers are getting exhausting and silly. Call me fanatic, but I love how Sony handles such reveals. A1 came out of nowhere with full specs, price, tons of reviews and a release date. And it worked, you know.
Let the product speak for itself, I'm sure R3 is good enough for that.
@ ShaiKhulud: Canon (and all other camera makers) want people to talk about their halo products - the cameras than many want, but can't afford. This also makes the lower level cameras look very attractive.
Magnar W "Canon (and all other camera makers) want people to talk about their halo products - the cameras than many want, but can't afford. This also makes the lower level cameras look very attractive."
I agree I found myself looking at an unaffordable A1 recently, but I wont be considering a ZV-1.
Not a guy I really follow for Canon shooters. Did notice beginning of video he went back about a month ago and had a buzz cut. Now long hair. Did not realize guys did hair extensions. Anyone notice the size comparison with the R5? And was the R5 a gripped body? Could not watch the whole thing. Tried to skip through but did not see a size comparison.
@JamesK, sorry your comment was so long I just skimmed and saw you mentioned the R5 and hair extensions. I still felt compelled to write a comment though.
The size looks perfect - I am sure pro sports shooters will welcome a camera designed for them; retaining the form factor that they want yet more compact with less weight. Could be killer….👍
Does that mean, the large segment of Canon DSLR users wants a 1DX type body? this is not a criticism but to get an idea because I'm a Canon user and I never even thought about 1DX even though I can afford it. the 5D series was my favourite. I have a grip and use it when I required but otherwise kept the 5D compact. I think Canon should have produce that last 5D (mark V) with similar R5 spec but with EF mount and OVF. This would have been great option to many Canon DSLR users.
I often have fast turn around sport gigs for which I like light and compact gear to fit in my ThinkTank Shape Shifter. I can fit in here the R5+100-400II AND the A9+200-600 + monopod. What the heck, I can even get to the event with my bicycle, avoiding what it is often a parking nightmare location. Need a bigger body at times? Get a battery grip. Pro photography is changing.
I like very much Peter McKinnon's shows, he is a good presenter and also very good, if not the best on YT as well. He only uses Canon gear, so it is not that much informative for me as a Nikon user, but his general information and presentation are among the best on YT. I don't that much care about Canon R3, never gonna buy or use it, but it is good that it is out there, gets some publicity. I thought that IDXMK2 is a Canon's flagship, but I don't know much about their pro gear, having used only consumer cameras like S45 many years ago, but it was good gear for that time. After S45, Olympus and Casio Exilim, moved to Nikon D60, which gave amazing for the time pictures and never looked back, but I still have Canon printers and they work also very well, even after a decade of use.
@TheLinguist: "Be curious, not judgmental." -Walt Whitman.
I don't know why you have such anger towards a guy you've never met.
Do you know how hard it is to do what he has done? Do you know how difficult it is to create compelling videos, and then do it over and over again? Most people couldn't make a video that would hold people's attention for more than one minute.
He has over 5 million followers on YouTube; that's more than watch many cable TV shows.
Maybe be curious instead and ask what he has done to have such appeal and learn from him. You'll feel better about the world.
If your nailing the composition more because you totally trust focus, and rolling shutter is non existent with electronic shutter@ 30fps, 24MP will do.
ecka84 - The point is though, at a normal viewing distance, even a 24mp image enlarged to full screen will be basically identical to a 30-40-50mp image. The eyes just can't really see more detail, regardless of 8k, 16k, 32k blah. Next will be 16k screen, you cannot see that detail. Just means expensive upgrades and smaller images at 100%
Yes, clearly enough resolution in a *final* image.
But 24MPx is not all equal. 24MPx down-sampled from from a 100MPx will always look better (considering roughly the same sensor size, and current tech where having more pixels does not reduce total photosensitive area).
One important reason is the sensor pixel actually being a "one color subpixel" from which you get an "interpolated 24MPx image". So having more resolution (if the lens resolves that, and the total noise increase is not offsetting the advantage) can actually get you 24MPx images in a much better quality.
Also, the advantage for cropping alone for me is worth having more resolution.
@JT26 I said "proper 8K screen", not some 27" 'Retina' BS.
@badi Yes. Exactly right. Plus the perceptual megapixels will drop with higher ISO. The 40-50mp cameras can give more and better detail than 24mp cameras. Unfortunately, sports shooters don't give a damn about that. Different priorities, I guess.
But what about wildlife photographers? They do need a more robust camera (than the R5) with more pixels, juicy batteries and all sorts of speed.
Magnar - I guess it is preference with size and weight. It isn’t better for me, but I know my Dad would prefer larger heavier cameras for balance and usability. This camera isn’t aimed at the majority. Will clearly just be a pro camera that you and I won’t be buying 😉
@SteveAnderson said "It doesnt look as robust around the mount".
I specifically recall reading in interviews with Canon that they cited the body strength when determining the flange distance for the R mount.
Generally the camera body's mount is designed very strong and the len's mount is designed weaker. So, when the camera is dropped the lens splits apart in an easy to repair way and the body is still intact.
Based on this, I'll bet the mound on the E3 body is quite well designed to be very strong.
Are you in the market for an R3? If so, then yes, it may be hard to wait.
But otherwise, you are just a spectator complaining about what? That you can't read about a product just yet?
I'm amazed at all of those who complain about the slow drip of the marketing campaign and the wait who have no interest in purchasing the camera. That doesn't make much sense.
It's like complaining about the delayed release of a movie you don't care about seeing.
I only wish there were an absolute authority we could turn to that would arbitrate which minor First World hang ups are just and valid.
DPReview comments section, have your say:
Vote 1 for “slow-drip product release” Vote 2 for “complaining about said slow-drip” Vote 3 for “you’re also not adding anything to the discourse with your dumb poll, you poll troll. Get a life”
My vote would be no.1 for a camera I have no interest in buying, no.2 for a camera I'm very interested in buying and no.3 as a generic reply to most comments.
As a computational photography researcher, I could easily justify such a purchase if it supports my research. For example, if it didn't botch the dual-pixel raws like the 5D IV did (regrettably, I bought a 5D IV just for that feature), I'd probably get an R3. Of course, nothing about any of that released yet; just vacuous warm and fuzzy pre-announcement announcements.
"[...] who have no interest in purchasing the camera. That doesn't make much sense."
Actually it does. All the internet reviews and tech v/b-loggers does not address only to the people buying the cameras. I suspect that audience it is less than 5% of the entire audience. Most are just interested on how the tech evolves, see what's new, passionate about pixel and mtf peeping on various equipment and so on. You'll see a ton of reviews and articles about a state of the art, say, a 85/1.2. But a lot more lenses sold are actually 24-105/F4 ones. And of course lets not forget the brand wars :)
Following, talking, arguing about a specific field (like photo-gear in this case) is an entire hobby/passion/activity. And it applies to lots of other fields as well - perhaps the car industry (and especially super sport cars) is an even more obvious example.
@ Ezra Light: Lots of great professional work was done with 6 Mp cameras, like documentary, sports, wildlife, magazines, weddings, nature and landscape, art projects, etc. So yes, you can still do impressive work with 12 Mp or less.
30 fps with 24 Mp is Meh? Seems like an armchair photographer judgement.
You can print surprisingly big with 24MP, double-page spread in a oversize glossy magazine - no problem. Also sports pros don't want too large files to handle, as speed is everything (they also very very rarely want more than 15fps too, so it's just too many images to sort through, unless you want moment of bit/whatever hits ball/whatever).
@ cbphoto123: Maybe you didn't use 6 Mp cameras, but there were lots of professionals who actually did so. I used 5 and 6 Mp for years, for 50x70 cm prints, reportage and magazine work, photographs for high quality books, social events photography, etc. So did many of my professional collegues. I also had film based 6x7 cm and 35 mm cameras.
After working within media during the digital revolution, using drum scanners for repro, wearing out several large format printers, making content for and preparing magazines and books for offset printing, I know pretty well what was going on, and what you coud get out of the digital data. Even National Geographic printed spreads taken with 6 Mp cameras, and results were impressive.
How do you explain that famous fashion photographers worked with 35 mm film cameras, using coarse grained high ISO film? Of cause this was about their distinctive style, about what they expressed, and not about fine detail resolution and pixel peeping.
Because there are some a few group of people in the world who need to shoot sharper photos. Putting same bird photo either shot by Iphone or Camera, will receive similar likes , majority doesn't care that 10% sharpness, they focus on the content.
Until I can swap lenses with an equivalent FOV from 10 to 500mm on an iPhone, as well as trigger multiple wireless external flash units, well a smartphone isn't something I'd be interested in other than for very casual snapshots.
I read his post not as a knock against Canon, but a witty comment on the topics Peter chose to focus on. Thoughts, you don’t have to defend canon so vehemently on every single comment of every single post.
At the end of the day, it's just to get people talking about the camera. He is a Canon ambassador, so just him putting it out there gets people like you and I chatting about it!
He even said most people would end up losing them, and he's right. I'm kinda glad my R6 didn't come with it. I'd either never put it on or end up losing it.
No hot shoe cover = No weather sealing R5 and R6 can have rust issues on their hot shoe cover. Many posts are already reporting this issue on dpreview forums.
Wow, it has a hot shoe cover that slides off. And you can slide it back on again. And you can shoot the camera holding it over your head! So much new information. This camera will be a beast ;-)
I don't think I have had a camera yet that did not come with a hot shoe cover...lol...It stayed in the package the camera came in... Maybe because we all do that he has never seen one? LOL...
I told you many times I really don’t give a rats ass about the brand, I used Nikon, Olympus and even Canon before Sony.. I’m probably the least brand loyal person on the planet.
I gladly criticise Sony as well when they make gimmick features or bad design.
But the class leading is just empty marketing words, Because overheating is the true definition of class leading build oh wait no it isn’t. The entire heat sink was poorly designed and cheaply made, that is a fact!
Malling, when did you get the R3? Because what you are referring to is the R5 and that has been litigated many times over so I won't get into that. BTW, your words about that are just "gimmick words"...very predictable and over used.
And yes, the R3 will be a tank of a body and will be the one to take with you to use in extreme conditions.
No of cause you won’t because double standards is your game.
The fact you cannot credit a brand as class leading build or even say this will be it when they could not get one very vital thing right! That isn’t the normal definition of class leading of anything it’s just poor design and poorly executed so the opposite of class leading. Meaning this has to prove it before it can even get such a tag… but I don’t expect fanboys to grasp that.
The class leading AF is a still stance between Canon and Sony where there isn’t a clear winner, it depends mostly of how you use it and for what. Both are great, so let’s stop this class leading bs.
A vertical grip in harsh conditions, who the hell will hike up a mountain with this!
@TRU: Again with this?… People are already taking Sony cameras to places with extreme conditions, you know that, what is your point? What places are you talking about? A big heavy camera is hardly something you always want when going to those places because weight/space something you want to keep down in a lot of cases.
A big camera might be great for shooting sports with big lenses, not for climbing mountains for example when you want to keep weight at a minimum.
CMS: the first goal of any shoot in extreme conditions is for the camera to hold up.
As for mountains, Jimmy Chin has filmed regularly with big Canon cameras, including his Academy award winning documentary Free Solo. So maybe he knows a bit more about that than you do.
Mike, one use case doesn't change the fact that the Canon pro bodies have a legendary history spanning decades of holding up in the in toughest conditions in the world, whereas Sony does not.
In time Sony may establish that history...but as of now they do not. Let's see them prove themselves in the same way.
@TRU It’s not “one case”. I follow alot of nature photographers using Sony gear and see them being used everywhere with success. You keep saying they don’t hold up but actual professionals don’t agree obviously.
I know about Jimmy Chin being a canon shooter (there are alot of canon shooter in nature photography of course). Im not saying it can’t be done, but I assure you that he don’t have high weight as a plus when taking gear for climbing…
Free marketing for any brand is embarassing really. Abit like sports fans, if you say anything about their team, its probably coming from the other team they have most trouble with.
TRU there are an uncountable number of people who shoot Sony in even the harshest conditions. There are many reporters, photojournalist, landscape photographers etc. who used it like that with none out if the ordinary problems. You can have issues with all brands no exceptions, there has been expeditions where one brand got problems with all cameras it wasn’t Sony!
Sony make broadcasting and also gear for documentaries that has been dragged through the Amazons, up snowy mountain ranges, into deep cages etc. You know the company you say cannot build..
There are so many examples of Sony having no more problems then Nikon and Canon but still fans of said brands keep telling them urban legends about Sony… get over it, accept Sony is just as good a choice no matter where and what you shoot.
@ Malling - you cannot challenge the old theory that cameras need to be bulky to be rugged. How will Canon fanboys such as TRU then justify buying unnessecary large and heavy cameras? Cameras should include half a kilo extra plastic :-) Technology has not moved on in 20 years :-) It makes absolutely no difference that you removed the mechanical moving parts of mirrors :-) What do you mean Sony has the tech knowhow to do more compact bodies while providing top performance, thats not fair :-)
@TRU You would think that these Sony brand arch-disciples 👅👅👅💦💦💦 would be confident enough to be out shooting with their precious rather than poring over every Canon article looking for reasons why Canon outsells Sony more than 2x….🤷♂️🤷♂️
@Mailing: me. I have climbed a lot of mountains with heavy DSLRs (w added or “built-in” grip). It is true that I am no longer young now, and I “feel” the weight differently, but, and that is a big but, I prefer, and always preferred, “armored” cameras. This is personal preference - so not to be extrapolated.
I want to see more on the eye focus. Another way the competition falls short. Canon already has the best AF, for both stills and video, and the R3 should put them further in the lead. Car detect will also make it more useful. At least for now only Nikon and the Z9 has a shot at catching Canon any time soon.
Eye AF is a gimmick feature that was utterly useless last time I checked, and dos it work in the dark, because well that type of technology typically don’t, can it be used with people of all eye colour because again it could not the last time and most importantly needs to be as precise as moving it, I doubt that very much, I might also accidentally screw you exposure like with the last attempt.
This is not the first attempt it’s old wine in new bottles, Eye detection is used in many things, It’s not like canon invented it, they probably bought it from a company and got it designed to their specifications, I just have yet to experience that to really work, it’s a technology that is unreliable especially for certain people with specific eye colour, with certain conditions, using glasses, contact lenses, it often has problems in badly lit conditions.
Disabled who doesn’t have the ability to speak use such technology as well. It’s a technology that has existed for decades. It’s also been used for AF before with little success, some liked it but many found it unreliable and useless.
Canon has everything to prove, there is good reason why no one have rushed into it.
Again if, if they deliver a useful AF solution that work for 80-90% then great, but I’m quite sceptical about it. And I honestly still don’t see much benefit.
I’m just as much referring to it in general as my example and way of speaking of it also should indicate.
There are a few systems that dos very well but those are mind blowing expensive.
Tobi a developer of it state the following
“To develop a simple eye tracker that works in controlled environments is not very difficult. To make a system that works for everyone, always, is enormously challenging. But for eye tracking to become a widespread technology within its respective application areas, this is a basic requirement.”
Many other states the same.
But it’s classic Canikon fanboys to not questioning specs on their beloved brands.
And yes, they state the obvious: that practical eye control that works for most use cases is a difficult engineering project.
But notice that in spite of it being difficult, the entire company is built around building eye controlled systems!
So you have proven nothing. The fact that it is difficult doesn't mean it cannot be done. You cite a company that is actively working on that tech.
In fact, who's to say that Canon is not partnering with them? You know there's nothing wrong with Canon licensing a tech from another firm. Every tech company does that for various reasons, including Sony. The key is the end product. That's all customers care about.
Like you I'm curious about how well the eye focus works. I've been shooting my Elan 7E lately and I really like that feature. It almost feels like the camera reads your mind. With the processing power in today's cameras I would think that it could be even better.
@Malling Hey Malling you are yet to enlighten us about the Nikkei fraudulent figures scandle……..🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂. More solid dependable input here I see….🙄
you'll have more miss focused shot when the Eye scan AF based AF jumping to other subjects that you looked while focusing on one subject... don't we look at other subjects in the frame while focusing on one? I don't want this.
Tobii is a company really… you don’t say so captain obvious.
Yes Tobii is obviously a eye tracking company, why exactly do you think I quoted them. They haven’t broken the recipe yet, they even admit it, it’s their goal to do so, so the technology can be widespread and commonly used, but the technology simply isn’t there yet to make it work for everyone in every situation consistently… that is a fact. No one has been able to make a simple affordable eye tracking system that is essence what Canon is trying to do.
But canon users or rather outspoken yell it’s ground breaking that put canon in front… Being sceptical is apparently very difficult for people who get emotionally attached to their stuff.
Eye tracking is still in its development face it’s getting better but from what I heard it’s years from being a technology that can be used in consumer items that will actually be useful.
One perhaps significant statement from Peter: he said that he will have the camera for 3 weeks. Many expect him to make a promo video for Canon in that time and thus expect a launch very soon after that 3 week period.
Mike, Mike, Mike, where did I go wrong with you? :)
Yes, I was wrong but my prediction was not mine, it was what Canon Rumors predicted, who usually gets it right.
Likewise, I am passing along what many are interpreting from Peter's remark. Take it as you will. I've been clear in my sources and reasoning.
BTW of all of the Sony guys, I think you are my favorite, because you are the nicest and most reasonable, and well thought out. Now that may cost you some brownie points with Sony PR :)
It's been a bad year for predictions. A6700, A7R5, RP markII, X-H2, A74. Not going to any this year with the chip shortage and Delta Var. I would not bet on the GH6 or Z9 either.
My point is that even of the existing products on the market, many are not readily available. Take that A1 of yours; if someone wants one, they need to preorder it and wait. A lot of the premium lenses are also hard to get.
With the chip shortage and all of the other uncertainty, if you want gear buy it if it's available and otherwise preorder and wait.
If you order an A1 today you can probably have it within a week or two. If you call around to local shops some have them in stock. Yes it’s in high demand but Sony is delivering. The camera is generally available to anyone who wants and can afford one.
In marketing, generally any attention is better than none at all, and so I would say this is a success for Canon.
Sony sometimes allows leaks of upcoming products, like the A7SIII, or A7c, but sometimes keeps it close to the vest, like the A1. Don't really know why they took such a secretive approach to the A1.
But after the release, Sony floods the market with their army of YouTubers and their videos. Nothing wrong with that, they've developed those relationships very well.
"But after the release, Sony floods the market with their army of YouTubers and their videos. Nothing wrong with that, they've developed those relationships very well."
Who are these people they've 'developed a relationship with'? Can you list them.
The 1DXIII could shoot 20 FPS with less rolling shutter, so they were fine. But none these cameras sell as well as the R5, which has no competition within $2000 of its price.
And that is the real story. I don't think the R3 will sell well to average consumers. The R5 or R6 do everything they need, plus a lot more, for a lower price. There has never been a camera capable of 12-20FPS that sold as well as the R5 and R6 have the past year.
I guess we still have to wait till we get something like an A9, a camera that overheats when taking stills. What I don't understand is that there was so much outrage about overheating video for the canon in contrast to almost nothing when the A9 also overheated and shut down when taking stills. So yeah, Canon fans still have to wait some years. Ah and not to mention banding problems, can't wait till canon implements those as well.
@ Yes No - "The 1DXIII could shoot 20 FPS with less rolling shutter, so they were fine." Thats funny, I cant recall the 1Dxiii doing 20 fps silent shooting blackout free through the viewfinder. I also dont recall it having faster sensor readout (as low rolling shutter) than the A9??
BTW the Sony cameras with stacked sensors, ie the A9/A9II/A1, still exhibit major rolling shutter in video mode; they do not use the full power of the sensor in video.
BTW, the Sony cameras cannot do bird/animal AF in video either.
So Sony has some major drawbacks in video for some creators.
BTW, Ying Yon is another one of those who will always try to downtick any brand other than Sony.
Seems that was a touchy topic. It should be good news that there is a Canon camera coming that provides blackout free shooting and lower rolling shutter. It may be some 3-4 years after Sony but it is still ahead the rest of the pack, and it gives a very useful capabillity to Canon users. Having used A9 and recently A1 stacked sensors I am sure R3 will be appreciated by Canon users. Even by those Canon users who have previosuly tried to downplay the stacked sensor advantage from Sony.
@Ying Yon I wonder if @ Yes No got confused with video rolling shutter, because the 1DXIII sensor readout is not even close to the A9 stacked sensor. I find it amusing when people try to stack up 1DXIII live view against the A9 when the 1DXIII lacks the ergonomics to be operated in such manner. The 1DXIII was a teaser to get stubborn DSLRs users to realize how much better a mirrorless performance is nowadays, and cooking them up for the R3/R1 release so they buy them without looking back.
@ armandino - sure, @ YesNo must have confused the data on sensor readout. It seems its still a challenging thought for lovers of bulky camera bodies that an older small body like A9 outperforms the best new bulky DSLR on action and sports shooting. It doesnt matter so much onwards for Canon shooters as the R3 likely will have the ergonomics and sensor speed to be operated for high speed shooting in live view. Just as the A9. I really think they will like it if they give it an honsest try. A bit worrysome though that some here on the fora seems to have a Sony derangement syndrome they need to get passed before they can try stacked sensor blackout free shooting, with open eyes and mind.
The Sony’s are so much fun to use. They just work. So fast. No lag. You call them toys but they are a blast. I guess I’d call them toys the way some people call their sports cars toys.
Are you still beating on build quality… Canon can’t even build a heat sink correctly! GTFO
😂 on the midget hans, I have asked previously what seize hands those canikon user has, several time they where smaller then mine. It’s a taste preferences nothing more nothing less.
But canikon love making up things about Sony, but when Sony users correct them or even have the guts to correctly point out flaws in Canikon design, then it first start getting interesting. The double standards is mind blowing.
Malling, I was not the one who used that term "midget hands." I would not use such a term.
Mike, I will say that the A9 series and the A1 do work very fast due to the stacked sensor. They are fun to use for that very reason. I did once try the Sony a7R4, which doesn't have that stacked sensor, and it did not seem to me to be nearly as much fun.
I have not used the A7RIV extensively. And if you thought the A9 was fun to use you should try an A1 for a week. It’s lightning quick at everything. Substantially faster than the A9. It works every way a camera should work. No lag for the EVF to turn on when you bring it up to your eye. Gorgeous 120Hz EVF. AF that locks on and just works. So much fun. Using it for a few hours almost every day. And my hands don’t hurt! I know impossible. Right?
@MikeRan It does, just do a search for it and there was a firmware update to address the issue wich increased time till the overheating indicator started showing up and shutdown. And it also overheats in 4k between 4 and 20 mins of recording in warmer conditions which is even less recording time than R5/R6.
Ask yourself, if it isn't true, why is there a firmware update for it?
It’s interesting that there are Sony drones thickly infesting yet another Canon related article desperately insisting Sony is better faster etc…you don’t see this nearly so much from the ‘fans’ of perhaps classier brands (Nikon, Fuji). Perhaps it’s insecurity - I mean the Sony cams ARE excellent (on paper at least) yet don’t seem to be claiming market share❓❓. Who knows what motivates such people…..❓
@ Kandid - you are obviosuly lying in your efforts to smear Sony. Who knows what motivates such person....?
"I mean the Sony cams ARE excellent (on paper at least) yet don’t seem to be claiming market share" As been presented in DPR articles as recent as this week Sony has the largest ML market share and second largest if you include all other camera types.
I shot the original A9 4K for over an hour straight (with 5 second breaks every 20 minutes) in 95° heat with no overheat warning.
You assume because there was a firmware update to fix something that there was a widespread problem. Again. No one talks about overheating on the A9 except SDS sufferers who have never used the camera.
No one talks about it because it doesn’t overheat.
Ah yes. As TRU will tell you Sony is ridiculously conservative with the overheat warning because they don’t want anyone to feel any elevated temperatures on their gentle little hands. This reviewer didn’t properly set the overheat warning.
Usually there’s a simple explanation.
And before TRU come here and says maybe the Sony is less reliable when you set the warning to high k say don’t come and say that until you have measured internal temperatures of the competing cameras and show me that overheat warning set to high on an A9 allows the insides to get hotter than, say, an R5.
This video like most of them is BS
Sony would be much better off if they just removed this menu option and set the overheat warning to high internally. Then all of these YT videos would disappear.
@MikeRan sure the option is there but overheating isn't new. He also tested old fw vs new with that setting, the warning came later and shutdown also later but it still can happen like with every camera, got even some dslrs overheat on me when doing video (in hot conditions without much ventilation). In stills it was the price for that frame rate that it can happen under certain circumstances so I couldn't resist being a bit sarcastic in response to Ying Yons comment. Thanks to sony we see more noticeable upgrades than slight increments in new releases.
@Ying yon Lying where exactly❓If you apply yourself and read what was written I pointed out that Sony are failing to CLAIM market share ie grow it. SAR itself published data in the last few days that show Canon has the biggest ML market share - the Nikkei data (fraudulent according to one of your more unbalanced fellow travellers) shows Canon growing faster than Sony. Check it all out. Apology accepted……
While mirrorless is clearly taking over at this point, those pro DSLRs are still wonderful pieces of equipment capable of amazing performance.
They still are among the most advanced cameras yet released.
They also took the majority of photos at the recent Olympics, and will be heavily used in upcoming sports events. They will not stop working no matter what mirrorless cameras are released.
I expect many will hold onto at least one of those cameras even when they go mirrorless. And there will also be some great buys in the used market.
@Thoughts R Us you are very right, but in my opinion you are grossly overestimating for how many might be interested in that. "And there will also be some great buys in the used market" I absolutely agree with that: it was a big financial mistake buying such cameras new. Good to see you are coming to realize what I told you it was going to happen even before the 1DXIII was released.
@armandino: who buys a camera expecting a return on investment through resale? No one does. All cameras depreciate.
The people who bought the 1DX III and are using it for pro work don't care about that. The key is what they've earned with their photos by using the camera.
So no mistake at all buying that camera. Many have used it to great effect and taken some great photos. That's why you buy a camera.
BTW when the A1 was released, some Sony fans remarked on forums like this that one outcome would be some great deals in the used market for the A9 and A9II. I didn't see you make some sort of statement that the people who bought those cameras somehow lost out on their investment.
So what is the point of his video? To jump the gun on the other youtubers and get the most clicks? ... Alot of these youtubers are now just creating content to place advertisement product. What a bunch of tragics,
Do you understand how YouTube works when it comes to monetization?
The more views, the more money. It's like ratings for a TV network.
People on YouTube, if they want to monetize their channel, are just like any other entertainers. They want your attention. They endorse products and even have their own branded products. They try to have a distinct personality or look, in order to stand out. But that also means that some will really like them, some won't. But that's OK. You don't need everyone to like you in order to succeed.
Peter M has built a remarkably successful YT channel and career. Most would love to be in his position.
It's not "tragic"...it's the entertainment business. It's the same as it ever was, except the distribution channels are different now. But the rules of engagement are the same.
BTW, just to show you how YT can be really lucrative at the highest levels of popularity, The Atlantic Monthly ran a story in 2019 on a successful YTer, Emma Chamberlain.
At the time she had about 8 million subscribers and they estimated that she made nearly 2 million dollars off of that alone. Then she had IG, other endorsements, merchandise, etc.
It was an interesting article on YT culture and how it can pay off big time for the ones who strike it really really big, and what that takes.
Can't blame the guy for trying to make money in an honest way. The fact that his name is considered valuable to lend to the project is a sign of a certain amount of success.
We all probably wish we were popular enough to where a company would ask us to lend our name to a product.
The size looks amazing. The same ruggedness and weather sealing and handling of the 1DX series but in a design that is downsized by just the right amount.
My guess is that the camera will handle like a dream.
Looks like a perfect camera for me, currently shooting with 2 1-series ( and a Sony 7R IV), really looking forward to this new body, actually I want a high resolution full size body more than a sport camera body at the moment, so the rumor Z9 maybe a better fit this time around if the rumor 45 MP is actually true. and the Z9 will even take most if not all of my E mount lenses so that makes it easy. but i also have tons of cool Canon lenses also so either way is easy for me.
Of course it's for the views, which translates into $$$. That's how YouTube works.
Peter M has over 5 million subscribers. He's built that by maintaining a relationship with them through the videos. That means constantly having new content, and maintaining a conversation of sorts.
It's like in any relationship; sometimes you just need to have a conversation, even without much substance. Small talk matters. If you look at it as if he's maintaining a relationship with his viewers, then it makes more sense.
And clearly he knows what he's doing; it's no small feat to have built that channel or his career around it.
@Michiel953 Not sure if you're referring to me, but either way I was poking fun at the users who were so hung up on the issue of the R3's pixel count (even actively going into denial after the 24MP figure was all but confirmed).
Haven't watched this video but I imagine this guy never said anything about this. :)
Got nothing against R3 except it most likely being very, very expensive.
Michiel953: I see what you mean. Not sure why. 24MP is very respectable for this class of camera. It is higher resolution at more FPS than their current flagship sports shooter.
It’s funny I am the only guy in his 40s at my community pool not covered in Tattoos. I now represent the new counterculture !!! It’s cool to finally be unique !
I started shooting 8k video and it is amazing how useful it is When you need to grab still frames for client. I mostly Shoot stills but deliver video for client needs. In the past I have had to choose between stills and video. 8k gives You the option of grabbing a very usable still if needed.
4K could do so too but the frame grabs from 8k are So much better.
TRU, that’s the reason why Canon released a demo camera called R5, so that people can try out the 8k for couple of minutes. In this way, when Canon release as a proper production stills camera which can run 8k video recording for longer time… canon users has already had a good knowledge, appreciation and make a quick purchase. Fantastic strategy.
Like, woah, man. LIke, take a ton-o-minutes to say essentially nothing about the camera. Okay man, well, there's the size. And the eshutter sound. Kewl. And you couldn't get the iris driven focus to work. Rad. Makes me long for Chris and Jordan's Mutt & Jeff schtick which I will gladly wait for. You mean you couldn't say more about the R3 given its anticipation? [Insert facepalm emoji.]
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