Xiaomi provides more information about under-screen front camera technology

China got where it is because everyone decided to get cheap stuff to the masses and China pegged its currency to the USD. It's an artificial market.

So... why'd the USA spy on Canada? Who cares? The point is that spying is something not only not out of the ordinary, a thing we should expect. And China? They surveil their population perhaps more than any other semi-free population on the planet and we are somehow to trust that they'll just play nice and nice and nice.

@Goodmeme
I think (and I might be wrong) that the ever higher speed of innovation in the last years is due to the fact that they employ AI (in an assisting capacity) in their R&D labs. Look up for example how Google let the AI design their data centers and be 25% more energy efficient than their best engineers. This stuff is frightening imo.

Don't forget the new watch faces and bands. Apple can't innovate? My @sk!

On the flipside, you can keep using your Apple hardware reliably and mostly headache free for a very long time, with very few hardware issues (which are fixed promptly if they arise for many years after the purchase date) and software updates available equally for many years. Unlike all the wildly innovative gimmicks rushed to the market just for the sake of causing a stir. Most of the features you get with Apple products are actually useful, well-thought out, tested and functional.

I agree that the pro monitor stand price is bonkers, but they wouldn't have placed it that high if they weren't sure that the users would actually pay for it AND on the long run be very happy with the quality. Plus, it makes a great conversation topic with the clients visiting your stunningly designed studio, easily convincing them that your high rates are justified. Hence the monitor stand paying for itself in about 4-5 hours. ;)

Huawei P30 pro, the telephoto lens is a dslr!

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@Banderras Huh?

Get in the zone with your drone phone!

With a 6.4” 4K display and 48MP front camera.

F) Simply because most users want as large a screen as they can get but at the same don't want the phones to get even larger. Hence all the tricks in the playbook are being tried to use as much of the cell phone surface for screen as possible.

I am definitely happy the cell phone manufacturers are doing all this work to bring us larger screens in smaller form factors.

Xperia ZL 2013 had selfie in bottom bezel.
Sharp Crystal 2014 had the design used by Mi Mix in 2016.

There you go, it's even older design. And there is even an Xperia from 2009 (Pureness) with transparent screen. What happened to Sony, they used to be so innovative in phones?

@cosinaphile - Lets be respectful of different people's opinions. You may not want or need larger screen which is fine, but that doesn't mean no one else does. I definitely am in the group which wants larger screen. Years ago a I made a switch from an iPhone to a much cheaper android device because the android device had a larger screen, and i have been using larger screen devices since then. But at the same time I don't want to carry very large tablet like phones such as Samsung Note either. And yes I don't like the notch cutout which is precisely why this particular idea of having the camera behind the screen without requiring a notch is very appealing. Not sure why you are against this concept which will get rid of the notch design which you described as 'bizarre'.

i dont mean to be disrespectful ... or illogical.... bigger screens are a good thing

but if the thing you wish to be bigger ends up being mutilated in the process , can that be anything but stupid

people need to take anything i say of others for that matter with a grain of salt.... if i accuse someone of apple worship or stupidity , its up to that person to either be insulted or not , based on a little honest introspection

big screens are great , but not at the cost of one with trapizoidal cutouts or bulletholes ... i cal that stupid , i call defending that stupid , and anyoned is free to return the compliment

at the time this bezel nonsense began and the holes in screen bs, screen on phones have been very large for a long time , and notches and holes do not increase the screen size , just the race to have an all screen face , a different thing and as i said a fetish.
i had an htc one max back in 2013 with a 5.9 inch screen plenty large
since then screens have been available up to 6.4 inch in size

dont kid yourself by thinking these moves have anything with actual scree expansion ... its face ratios and nothing else ... it unergonomic and pointless
if it end up requiring all these nonsense moves to accommodate a selfie cam

I get your objections to things like notch cutout and holes etc. What I am still struggling to understand is that whats wrong with this new proposed design which will get rid of those holes and notches and truly give full screen usage. Looks to me it resolves your objections and gives a large screen which will actually be useful.

Personally I don't really need the front camera and would be OK with a model which gets rid of it all together and gives that real estate to the screen. However thats not likely anyone would release a model like that partly because for better or for worse selfies are the norm now. Secondly front cameras are also used for video conferencing and video chat. So with that this proposed solution seems to be the best way to accommodate that camera without giving up on screen space. Seems like a win-win to me.

@otto There are compromises to keep front speakers. You cant have very small bezels without killing the front speaker. Maybe you the usb is placed somewhere else. And as entertainment company Sony decided to keep it for years.

Too sad the took the decision to ditch it. I hate speaker beside usb.

How long? About negative ten years.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/09/01/08/apple_files_patent_for_camera_hidden_behind_display

@quiquae, where is the working model? Ten years and it's Apple vaporware.

Current keyboard is unreliable but not previous ones. This is a great example of failed attempt to introduce something new, and not even extraordinary new like this camera...

Another example with current apple laptop is their display ribbon. New ribbon extended a bit too long and thus start to fail in large numbers.

All these shows one thing, don't change successful designs unless you are ready to face all sorts of unwanted trouble.